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| 05:07.31 | KotCzarny | bencoh: maybe fremantle1.* dirs should be moved to some other path, ie. archived/ |
| 05:08.09 | KotCzarny | if one tries to use fremantle1.3 instead of fremantle it will fail |
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| 06:15.06 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 06:32.56 | L29Ah | does anyone have this file ti-wl1251-firmware_0.4.tar.bz2? |
| 06:36.26 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:36.28 | KotCzarny | https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/firmware-nonfree/0.41 |
| 06:36.36 | KotCzarny | maybe this one has a compatible blob |
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| 06:58.58 | L29Ah | gitorious have rotten enough i can't even clone openmediaplayer repo ;[ |
| 06:59.18 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: it's s{ad,ick} you don't use a public version control system for oscp |
| 07:03.31 | KotCzarny | l29ah: that's because i'm not using vcs at all |
| 07:04.51 | L29Ah | i wonder why haven't you killed yourself yet =) |
| 07:05.44 | KotCzarny | because :P |
| 07:09.05 | KotCzarny | and looking at your gitorious problem it seems it's not that bad idea |
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| 07:23.31 | L29Ah | git is distributed, you can pull any repo and develop locally as well |
| 07:23.56 | kerio | holy shit |
| 07:23.57 | kerio | really |
| 07:24.02 | kerio | how do you live without version control |
| 07:24.08 | kerio | it's just... so fucking convenient |
| 07:24.10 | kerio | it's not even funny |
| 07:26.19 | KotCzarny | truly, it's easier for me not to bother with vcs |
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| 07:27.50 | KotCzarny | and i dont care about changes i made month ago |
| 07:27.56 | kerio | it's really, really not |
| 07:28.03 | KotCzarny | so it's just useless to me |
| 07:28.05 | kerio | how do you undo a change |
| 07:28.25 | KotCzarny | i dont make mistakes, hehe |
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| 07:28.33 | kerio | that's not the point |
| 07:28.40 | kerio | how do you test stuff |
| 07:28.47 | kerio | do you just copy the whole source directory |
| 07:28.51 | kerio | that's idiotic |
| 07:28.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 07:28.57 | KotCzarny | i dont |
| 07:29.07 | KotCzarny | my sources are logically laid out |
| 07:29.24 | KotCzarny | so usually changes (even bigger ones) are limited to one .c file |
| 07:30.44 | KotCzarny | vcs is useful if there is a team of people working on a project, otherwise it's just overkill |
| 07:32.07 | kerio | alright |
| 07:32.16 | kerio | ocsp will become an unmaintainable mess |
| 07:32.26 | kerio | and nobody *can* work on it except for you |
| 07:32.30 | kerio | good job |
| 07:32.56 | KotCzarny | for now i asked people for features they still need/want in oscp |
| 07:33.39 | KotCzarny | and apparently they are happy with it as it is |
| 07:34.01 | L29Ah | i want to write a script that will update it for me in my distro |
| 07:34.03 | L29Ah | how do i do this? |
| 07:34.25 | KotCzarny | l29ah: update what? |
| 07:34.34 | L29Ah | oscp |
| 07:35.04 | KotCzarny | wget/tar -xzf |
| 07:35.12 | KotCzarny | it unpacks to /opt/oscp |
| 07:35.20 | L29Ah | i want the source code |
| 07:35.29 | L29Ah | where's the list of source code tarballs? |
| 07:35.51 | KotCzarny | which tarballs? |
| 07:36.00 | L29Ah | usually i just drop a vcs url in and it's being poked automagically every week or so |
| 07:36.09 | L29Ah | of the oscp source code. |
| 07:36.29 | KotCzarny | let me du it |
| 07:37.02 | KotCzarny | [root@jetstar 09:36:55 /1/_src/oscp]# du -sh |
| 07:37.02 | KotCzarny | 341M . |
| 07:38.04 | L29Ah | wtf |
| 07:38.26 | KotCzarny | try ldd oscp |
| 07:38.46 | KotCzarny | then oscp -H |
| 07:39.15 | L29Ah | so? |
| 07:39.41 | L29Ah | do you just drop all the shit into the source dir being unable to tell apart dependencies from your code? o_O |
| 07:39.58 | KotCzarny | have you read the oscp description? |
| 07:40.12 | KotCzarny | whole idea was to not to be dependency hell |
| 07:40.24 | L29Ah | so you do some ad-hoc static linking |
| 07:40.31 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 07:40.46 | L29Ah | so why don't you split stuff apart? |
| 07:40.57 | L29Ah | you don't need to modify ffmpeg to link against it |
| 07:41.21 | KotCzarny | yes, but some libs are c++ and some aren't linkable at all without patching source |
| 07:41.42 | KotCzarny | and i dont want to use c++ to compile everything |
| 07:42.21 | KotCzarny | and if i linked everything dynamically, you would have to install crapload of deps |
| 07:42.29 | KotCzarny | because debian like systems are just like that |
| 07:42.51 | L29Ah | what's the problem with deps? |
| 07:43.01 | L29Ah | ffs, i can't find mafw source code ;[ |
| 07:43.12 | KotCzarny | most often old |
| 07:43.17 | KotCzarny | or linked against weird stuff |
| 07:43.36 | KotCzarny | and i dont use ffmpeg, but libav |
| 07:46.51 | L29Ah | ah, so the problem is it's too much of a hassle to package stuff for debian, do i get it right? |
| 07:47.36 | KotCzarny | packaging is not a problem (there is maemo .deb right?) but libs that are used/needed |
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| 07:48.34 | KotCzarny | and as mentioned before, i needed to patch some libs to be usable as a slave libs |
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| 08:08.26 | KotCzarny | l29ah, just out of curiosity, why are you reconnecting so often? |
| 08:08.53 | L29Ah | i'm in the moscow subway using its crappy wifi |
| 08:09.11 | KotCzarny | run the irssi in a screen at home? |
| 08:09.25 | L29Ah | too much of a hassle |
| 08:09.39 | L29Ah | i want all my im stuff in one app |
| 08:09.45 | KotCzarny | app? |
| 08:10.05 | L29Ah | i guess after tkabber get the proper support for stream management, it will stop being an issue |
| 08:10.12 | L29Ah | *gets |
| 08:10.20 | L29Ah | it's in progress atm |
| 08:10.48 | KotCzarny | ok, another idea, just run the irc bouncer proxy at home, then connect tkabber to it (it's seen as a irc server externally) |
| 08:13.45 | L29Ah | i know about bouncers, too lazy to get em up |
| 08:14.03 | L29Ah | i don't use irc this much |
| 08:14.13 | KotCzarny | yeah, sure |
| 08:14.14 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 08:50.09 | bencoh | KotCzarny: hmm ? |
| 08:53.39 | KotCzarny | bencoh, thought you were the repository.maemo.org maintainer |
| 08:56.41 | bencoh | I'm not :) |
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| 09:02.41 | KotCzarny | bencoh: who is? |
| 09:03.25 | bencoh | hmm m.erlin1991 iirc |
| 09:05.18 | KotCzarny | merlin1991: ping |
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| 10:09.00 | L29Ah | i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from |
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| 10:09.49 | KotCzarny | afaik mafw isnt open |
| 10:10.00 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 10:10.21 | antranigv | okey, why chmod +x program is not working? |
| 10:10.34 | KotCzarny | antranigv: because /home is mounted noexec ? |
| 10:10.39 | antranigv | oops |
| 10:11.06 | antranigv | what |
| 10:11.19 | antranigv | ./home or /home/MyDocs? |
| 10:11.36 | KotCzarny | if you really need space for software, create a 2GB file, make ext3 on it, then mount via -o loop |
| 10:11.51 | KotCzarny | antranigv: i would bet on whole /home |
| 10:12.00 | KotCzarny | mount |grep home |
| 10:12.08 | antranigv | ah or I can put it in /home/opt. only mydocs are noexec |
| 10:12.21 | bencoh | KotCzarny: no it's not |
| 10:12.22 | bencoh | (?) |
| 10:12.55 | antranigv | for some reason /home/opt on /opt |
| 10:12.55 | bencoh | L29Ah: see libmafw0 |
| 10:12.56 | L29Ah | so i don't have a free dsp mp3 decoder? ;[ |
| 10:13.00 | L29Ah | bencoh: nope |
| 10:13.12 | KotCzarny | l29ah: try gstreamer |
| 10:13.32 | L29Ah | actually i want some gui player |
| 10:13.37 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 10:13.49 | KotCzarny | just grab any gstreamer gui |
| 10:13.54 | antranigv | mplayer? |
| 10:13.56 | antranigv | ah GUI |
| 10:14.02 | KotCzarny | mplayer uses cpu decoding |
| 10:14.28 | L29Ah | i don't know any that is touchscreen-friendly |
| 10:14.34 | KotCzarny | oscp |
| 10:14.40 | L29Ah | oscp is closed-source |
| 10:14.42 | L29Ah | ;] |
| 10:14.49 | KotCzarny | then add 'and is open source' |
| 10:14.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:15.05 | KotCzarny | but you can write your own easily |
| 10:15.09 | KotCzarny | using gstreamer and pygtk |
| 10:18.23 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 10:18.40 | L29Ah | no one wants to have a fresh distro on n900 :/ |
| 10:19.01 | KotCzarny | i do, but i plan to roll my own |
| 10:19.11 | Sicelo | we do .. that's why we've tried many of them |
| 10:19.12 | KotCzarny | (once i clear other things in the queue) |
| 10:19.34 | KotCzarny | also, gentoo is bad choice for n900 |
| 10:19.45 | L29Ah | why so? |
| 10:19.53 | KotCzarny | compile everything on update? |
| 10:20.03 | L29Ah | there are two options for remote building |
| 10:20.26 | KotCzarny | you will have to write manual/howto then, keep that in mind |
| 10:20.54 | L29Ah | sure; i plan to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 as i go |
| 10:21.09 | L29Ah | submitted some patches already |
| 10:21.43 | L29Ah | i wonder what media player openmoko uses |
| 10:22.10 | antranigv | L29Ah: funtoo on N900? (: or the neo900 |
| 10:22.39 | L29Ah | i don't see much difference in funtoo compared to gentoo |
| 10:22.49 | Sicelo | Luke-Jr actually made a lot of progress with gentoo on N900 |
| 10:22.49 | L29Ah | and i want to stick to PMS |
| 10:24.30 | KotCzarny | pms, lol |
| 10:25.15 | L29Ah | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Package_Manager_Specification |
| 10:25.37 | KotCzarny | try that in google |
| 10:37.40 | antranigv | python programmers here, anyone runs python programs on maemo that are "made" with pyinstaller on an intel box? |
| 10:39.11 | KotCzarny | i just run oscp-remote.py |
| 10:39.13 | KotCzarny | no installer |
| 10:39.21 | Wizzup | 12:19 < KotCzarny> compile everything on update? |
| 10:39.29 | Wizzup | You can very easily create binary packages on other machines |
| 10:39.31 | Wizzup | Just like debian |
| 10:39.34 | Wizzup | It's really no different |
| 10:39.53 | antranigv | yes, and then serve them via SSH or HTTP. |
| 10:39.54 | KotCzarny | wizzup: yeah, but he doesnt mean to |
| 10:40.14 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: that was not clear to be at all |
| 10:40.16 | L29Ah | i can build some if you need it, but gentoo is about choice, and my system is going to use it a lot (: |
| 10:40.24 | Wizzup | I run many gentoo arm systems, and definitely interested in gentoo on n900 |
| 10:40.49 | antranigv | KotCzarny: so your code works with python2.5? |
| 10:41.19 | KotCzarny | l29ah: since you will be building whole os, you would be better off distributing it as a binary packages |
| 10:41.35 | L29Ah | i guess i'll spit out a stage4 once it's usable |
| 10:41.37 | KotCzarny | antranigv: dont know, what is default python on stock fremantle? |
| 10:41.45 | antranigv | it's 2.5 |
| 10:41.48 | KotCzarny | then yes |
| 10:41.57 | antranigv | if it was 2.6, we could have youtube-dl |
| 10:42.05 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: that is, you can easily have a chroot on some arm device that you natively build all packages in |
| 10:42.12 | Wizzup | and then just have your n900 install those |
| 10:42.16 | bencoh | L29Ah: libmafw-shared |
| 10:42.24 | L29Ah | bencoh: i can't build it |
| 10:42.27 | KotCzarny | antranigv: hack youtube-dl and check what 2.6 features it needs and if there is a way to cut them out? |
| 10:42.30 | L29Ah | complains about lots of lacking symbols |
| 10:42.41 | bencoh | which one ? |
| 10:42.48 | L29Ah | which what? |
| 10:42.55 | bencoh | symbols |
| 10:43.01 | antranigv | KotCzarny: possible, or make it a "compiled" code with pyinstaller? (: |
| 10:43.15 | L29Ah | 13:09:00]<L29Ah> i wonder where do i get mafw_proxy_source_get_type() from |
| 10:43.17 | L29Ah | to start with |
| 10:43.40 | L29Ah | i'm building http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/mafw-shared/mafw-shared_0.3.2010.36-1%2b0m5.tar.gz btw |
| 10:43.55 | KotCzarny | Your search - mafw_proxy_source_get_type - did not match any documents |
| 10:43.57 | KotCzarny | he he |
| 10:44.06 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it's macro-defined |
| 10:44.15 | KotCzarny | still, no source found |
| 10:44.16 | bencoh | and exported in a .h in mafw-shared |
| 10:44.42 | L29Ah | i don't see its definition |
| 10:47.05 | bencoh | dpkg-deb: building package `libmafw-shared0' in `../libmafw-shared0_0.3.2010.36-1+0m5_armel.deb'. |
| 10:47.14 | bencoh | it worked(tm) in scratchbox |
| 10:48.08 | bencoh | and according to debian/control it needs libglib2.0-dev, libdbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev, libmafw0-dev, checkmore, gtk-doc-tools, dbus, libtotem-plparser-dev, libxml2-dev |
| 10:48.27 | bencoh | libmafw0-dev is in free/ |
| 10:48.32 | bencoh | so it should build as well |
| 10:49.41 | L29Ah | i built it |
| 10:49.49 | KotCzarny | bencoh, run a grep for this function |
| 10:50.15 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I already did ;) |
| 10:50.33 | KotCzarny | no results? ;) |
| 10:50.48 | bencoh | ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:39: (mafw_proxy_source_get_type()) |
| 10:50.48 | bencoh | ./libmafw-shared/mafw-proxy-source.h:67:GType mafw_proxy_source_get_type(void); |
| 10:50.54 | KotCzarny | ahm, k |
| 10:50.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:51.28 | bencoh | $ nm libmafw-shared/.libs/mafw-proxy-source.o |grep mafw_proxy_source_get_type |
| 10:51.28 | bencoh | 00002c3c T mafw_proxy_source_get_type |
| 10:51.39 | bencoh | looks like a valid symbol |
| 10:51.57 | bencoh | and libmafw0 builds as well :-) |
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| 10:53.01 | L29Ah | bencoh: sooo? |
| 10:53.06 | L29Ah | bencoh: do you know c? |
| 10:53.16 | KotCzarny | c-fu |
| 10:54.07 | L29Ah | i don't see any definitions of this function in libmafw-shared and it doesn't seem to be generated |
| 10:54.31 | KotCzarny | maybe you need some definitions while building |
| 10:55.04 | Oxyd76 | L29Ah: Wow L'yah. :) |
| 10:56.02 | bencoh | L29Ah: did you read what I've just pasted ? |
| 10:56.07 | L29Ah | yep |
| 10:56.15 | Wizzup | L29Ah: why are you compiling on the n900 though? |
| 10:56.23 | L29Ah | Wizzup: i compile on my host |
| 10:56.57 | Wizzup | what's up with the LDFLAGS and CFLAGS then |
| 10:57.05 | L29Ah | empty |
| 10:57.08 | Wizzup | # Since the N900 doesn't have a lot of RAM, you'll probably need to sacrifice some CPU time to minimize memory usage |
| 10:57.11 | Wizzup | LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS} -Wl,--no-keep-memory -Wl,--reduce-memory-overheads" |
| 10:57.12 | L29Ah | ah |
| 10:57.14 | Wizzup | CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} --param ggc-min-expand=0 --param ggc-min-heapsize=32768" |
| 10:57.18 | L29Ah | ask Luke-Jr |
| 10:57.26 | L29Ah | i'll preserve this ability on my n900 tho |
| 10:57.36 | antranigv | ~sdk |
| 10:57.36 | infobot | rumour has it, sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" |
| 10:57.55 | Wizzup | building anything on the n900 seems bad, especially since poor IO/storage, and compiling in tmpfs is hardly possible because of the little ram in it |
| 10:58.07 | Wizzup | I mean, you can probably do it, but yeah :) |
| 10:58.17 | Wizzup | I am drowning in arm devices, so I have plenty of hosts |
| 10:58.17 | bencoh | s/yeah/meh/ :) |
| 10:58.23 | L29Ah | building on n900 is actually faster than in x201 in qemu |
| 10:58.33 | L29Ah | i failed to build the cross-toolchain |
| 10:58.38 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 10:58.41 | Wizzup | you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$ |
| 10:58.48 | Wizzup | that will do it about 10 times faster than your n900 |
| 10:58.54 | bencoh | L29Ah: I think you forgot the key word (kvm) |
| 10:59.02 | L29Ah | kwhat |
| 10:59.05 | L29Ah | i don't have an arm host |
| 10:59.13 | bencoh | qemu/kvm (for your x201) |
| 10:59.17 | Wizzup | no |
| 10:59.18 | L29Ah | you suck |
| 10:59.21 | Wizzup | kvm is only for virtualisation |
| 10:59.32 | Wizzup | you can't use virtualisation extensions when the cpu is different |
| 10:59.54 | bencoh | sure, but ... you dont want to do a native build ... (do you ? :/) |
| 11:00.17 | Wizzup | bencoh: did you miss this: 12:58 < Wizzup> you can get a quad core arm device with 2gb+ ram and sata/usb for hdds for about 50$ |
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| 11:00.21 | bencoh | that's exactly why scratchbox exists, btw ... to behave like a native env while still building with a cross compiler |
| 11:00.21 | L29Ah | i guess i can build the whole system in two days |
| 11:00.25 | L29Ah | on n900 |
| 11:00.36 | KotCzarny | l29ah: wishful thinking |
| 11:00.43 | Wizzup | L29Ah: how many sd cards will use though? :) |
| 11:00.48 | Wizzup | Either way |
| 11:00.51 | Wizzup | Good job on the gentoo work |
| 11:00.54 | L29Ah | bencoh: build me a cross armv7a-hardfloat-linux-musleabi-gcc |
| 11:00.54 | Wizzup | I'm very happy to see it |
| 11:00.54 | KotCzarny | sd cards are big nowadays |
| 11:00.59 | KotCzarny | 256gigs etc |
| 11:01.09 | L29Ah | btw, can n900 handle a 64Gb one? |
| 11:01.15 | Wizzup | wonders why his suggestion of native arm build hosts is being ignored completely ;( |
| 11:01.17 | KotCzarny | according to tmo, yes |
| 11:01.22 | bencoh | isnt there any way to crosscompile with gentoo ? |
| 11:01.31 | L29Ah | Wizzup: because i'm not into buying hardware |
| 11:01.34 | Wizzup | bencoh: yes, there are easy and good ways to do so |
| 11:01.39 | L29Ah | bencoh: it failed. |
| 11:01.41 | Wizzup | L29Ah: then stick to qemu for now |
| 11:01.56 | Wizzup | that's that best solution |
| 11:01.59 | Wizzup | s/that/the/ |
| 11:02.02 | Wizzup | uf |
| 11:02.13 | bencoh | :D |
| 11:02.21 | KotCzarny | or try to find newer scratchbox compatible gcc |
| 11:02.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:02.23 | shapeshifter | Any updates on the NNeo900? |
| 11:02.31 | bencoh | shapeshifter: in #neo900 |
| 11:02.35 | shapeshifter | ah. |
| 11:02.51 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: and then you're still stuck with some randomly put together system, whereas with gentoo in qemu/native you can have a coherent and trustworthy system |
| 11:03.18 | Wizzup | I completely understand that L29Ah is using qemu if he has no proper arm hw to build on |
| 11:03.30 | KotCzarny | wizzup: you sound like you've already bought that quadcore arm machine, why there is no such system from you yet? |
| 11:03.41 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: I have 9 I think |
| 11:03.42 | Wizzup | perhaps more :) |
| 11:04.00 | Wizzup | I'm happy to set up some build host on arm devices |
| 11:04.04 | bencoh | Wizzup: solidrun/cubox ? |
| 11:04.08 | KotCzarny | setup one and make one public for maemo folks |
| 11:04.08 | Wizzup | no |
| 11:04.29 | Wizzup | I got the initial cubox one and didn't like it at all, messed for weeks with hw support, it's probably better now |
| 11:04.40 | Wizzup | bencoh: odroid u2/u3, and the ifc6410 (and random other allwinner things) |
| 11:04.56 | Wizzup | KotCzarny: alright, I'll put it on my todo list and try to do that :) |
| 11:04.56 | bencoh | Wizzup: it's a completely different design than the original cubox(-pro) |
| 11:05.08 | Wizzup | bencoh: right, but the devices I use all have linux mainline support |
| 11:05.10 | bencoh | fsl/iMX6 (instead of marvell/armada) |
| 11:05.27 | bencoh | oh, nice |
| 11:05.35 | Wizzup | I'm not particularly interested in solidrun, since I was really disappointed by their stuff at the time |
| 11:06.03 | Wizzup | p.s. these days you can also get a 200$ chromebook (samsung ones) that run mainline |
| 11:06.07 | Wizzup | (arm ones) |
| 11:06.14 | bencoh | the only thing I dont like is being stuck with a linaro kernel |
| 11:06.17 | Wizzup | anyway, I have to go now, I'll try to remember to set something up |
| 11:08.02 | bencoh | L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ? |
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| 11:08.07 | bencoh | err .... |
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| 11:19.30 | antranigv | umm, the nokia website is down, where can I download the SDK virtualimage? |
| 11:20.57 | antranigv | ~image |
| 11:20.57 | infobot | See 'iso' |
| 11:21.04 | bencoh | there are a few mirrors around, I think google has some in its index |
| 11:21.17 | antranigv | ~tabletsdev |
| 11:21.18 | infobot | well, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads |
| 11:21.25 | bencoh | L29Ah: 13:08 < bencoh> L29Ah: what about https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Cross_building#crossdev ? where does it fail ? |
| 11:22.02 | L29Ah | crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis |
| 11:25.40 | KotCzarny | hmm, do closed hw bits (bme and friends) work with newer kernel? |
| 11:26.21 | L29Ah | i failed to run maemo on 4.1 |
| 11:26.38 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 11:26.53 | L29Ah | otherwise, http://elinux.org/N900 mentions rx51_battery |
| 11:26.58 | L29Ah | so bme should work fine |
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| 11:29.11 | bencoh | KotCzarny: thou shalt use pali's bme replacement |
| 11:29.40 | bencoh | (which basically consists of kernel modules and a "simple" glue userland lib) |
| 11:29.55 | Wizzup | 13:21 < L29Ah> crossdev fails at the point of not working with paludis |
| 11:30.01 | Wizzup | Ah... well that explains a lot :P |
| 11:31.30 | L29Ah | ct-ng screams "./configure: error: unsupported long double type" |
| 11:31.34 | L29Ah | in binutils |
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| 12:15.12 | L29Ah | i guess i'll try the git version |
| 12:15.41 | KotCzarny | or look for patches in debian-armel ? |
| 12:15.56 | bencoh | L29Ah: git version of ? |
| 12:16.35 | L29Ah | ct-ng |
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| 14:44.29 | Luke-Jr | L29Ah: oh, you're the guy emailing me unsolicited patches? :P |
| 14:44.41 | Luke-Jr | L29Ah: probably I should just set up the repo on GitLab so you can push directly |
| 14:44.59 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: distcc is nice |
| 14:45.29 | L29Ah | yeah it'd be good |
| 14:46.01 | Luke-Jr | just got home from emergency room tho, so going to sleep for now :p |
| 14:46.11 | Luke-Jr | prod me later if I forget |
| 14:46.15 | L29Ah | k |
| 14:46.52 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 14:47.09 | KotCzarny | emergency room? software development can be dangerous.. |
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| 15:00.44 | L29Ah | mkay, mafw-shared sucks and won't build with -Wl,--as-needed ;[ |
| 15:00.50 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:01.36 | KotCzarny | just use oscp-alsa, should work even on newer libs |
| 15:01.49 | L29Ah | it's closed-source :< |
| 15:01.53 | KotCzarny | especially that you dont need any other packages to make it work |
| 15:02.28 | L29Ah | also i hope for dsp shit |
| 15:02.35 | KotCzarny | let's say, if you manage to run kernel 3.x/4.x with current glibc and gcc/g++ i'll give you oscp source |
| 15:02.58 | KotCzarny | that is, if you achieve working system with all important bits working |
| 15:03.04 | L29Ah | glibc isn't interesting :P |
| 15:03.18 | KotCzarny | it is if you plan to compile mainstream packages :P |
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| 15:03.22 | L29Ah | i'm building for the current musl |
| 15:03.23 | Luke-Jr | "important" is undefined |
| 15:03.44 | L29Ah | hope mainstream stuff will work somewhat |
| 15:03.57 | KotCzarny | luke-jr: phone, display, battery, audio, touchscreen, hw-buttons |
| 15:04.21 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 15:04.38 | Luke-Jr | the ones you listed should work :P |
| 15:04.49 | KotCzarny | luke-jr: phone/calls/sms ? |
| 15:04.49 | Luke-Jr | although I never touched 3.x/4.x kernels |
| 15:04.54 | L29Ah | used up half of the 16Gb microsd, but still no xorg ;p |
| 15:05.00 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: no idea about SMS; do people use that? |
| 15:05.05 | KotCzarny | i do |
| 15:05.09 | KotCzarny | and my gf |
| 15:05.18 | L29Ah | i receive bank otp thru sms |
| 15:05.53 | Luke-Jr | oh, I don't think I ever got audio to work for calls either. <.< |
| 15:05.58 | bencoh | 17:03 < L29Ah> i'm building for the current musl |
| 15:05.59 | bencoh | :D |
| 15:05.59 | L29Ah | also i have a nice web service to annoy me remotely: http://l29ah.blasux.ru/sms |
| 15:06.38 | KotCzarny | page is not loading |
| 15:06.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:07.14 | Wizzup | loads here |
| 15:07.47 | Wizzup | L29Ah: now that you told everyone it is powered by bash, I'm presuming that you're properly dealing with input on said service? ;) |
| 15:08.36 | KotCzarny | wizzup, check it yourself ;) |
| 15:10.21 | L29Ah | Wizzup: sure |
| 15:10.35 | L29Ah | 18:09:59]<KotCzarny> page is not loading |
| 15:10.35 | L29Ah | huh |
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| 15:14.27 | KotCzarny | something with dns, works on my linux machine tho |
| 15:14.54 | L29Ah | resolved fine thru 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:41.55 | sixwheeledbeast | google...burn! |
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| 15:45.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 15:51.22 | sixwheeledbeast | opendns ;) |
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| 16:32.16 | L29Ah | â° automake-1.15 -W no-error |
| 16:32.16 | L29Ah | automake-1.15: warnings are treated as errors |
| 16:32.17 | L29Ah | wut |
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| 17:15.52 | KotCzarny | l29ah: isnt it -Wno-error ? |
| 17:17.45 | KotCzarny | or -Wno-error=all |
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| 17:36.19 | L29Ah | autotools guru any1? ;[ |
| 17:38.08 | KotCzarny | all i can say: try another version |
| 17:38.44 | L29Ah | of what? |
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| 17:38.51 | KotCzarny | of autotools |
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| 17:40.05 | KotCzarny | wtf |
| 17:40.06 | bencoh | L29Ah: what's wrong ? |
| 17:40.19 | KotCzarny | gtk+ runtime on windows: 160MB |
| 17:40.21 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 17:40.47 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: thanks, seems like it works; having five versions of autoshit is handy ;[ |
| 17:41.32 | KotCzarny | l29ah: what can i say, digging elbow deep in shitty syntax and hunting obscure variables isnt any better |
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| 17:48.15 | KotCzarny | wow, oscp-remote.py works on windows |
| 17:48.32 | KotCzarny | actually looks nice |
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| 18:48.21 | Sicelo | haha, for the first time in my life i havejust opened https://www.android.com/ .... interesting that it says "be together. not the same." marketing can be crazy and outright lies ... they are all the same :p |
| 18:52.16 | KotCzarny | where do you see it? |
| 18:52.37 | KotCzarny | (i'm seeing localized pages, so just curious) |
| 18:53.33 | Sicelo | front page.. the page i linked to. at the top |
| 18:53.40 | KotCzarny | ahm, on english it is |
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| 18:55.32 | KotCzarny | and only on english |
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| 18:58.28 | KotCzarny | but comparing to ios, android is much more customizable/themeable |
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