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| 05:29.35 | L29Ah | valid discharge flag is preserved during suspend to ram, reboot and turn off-on cycle |
| 05:42.05 | L29Ah | what's the proper way to backup the nand contents? |
| 05:42.29 | L29Ah | just dumping /dev/mtd* stuff of a live system sounds sad |
| 06:09.19 | KotCzarny | l29ah: why care? it will get valid on the next cycle |
| 06:09.45 | L29Ah | because my cycles are HUGE |
| 06:12.03 | KotCzarny | hehe, that's memo worthy ;) |
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| 07:06.23 | kerio | L29Ah: dumping /dev/mtd* on a live system is also pretty damn useless |
| 07:07.30 | L29Ah | why? |
| 07:07.46 | L29Ah | i guess i'll get something broken but not fatally |
| 07:07.53 | KotCzarny | because journal is in memory still |
| 07:08.01 | L29Ah | sync(1) |
| 07:08.06 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 07:08.10 | L29Ah | huh? |
| 07:08.16 | KotCzarny | mtd is just that |
| 07:08.39 | L29Ah | huh? |
| 07:08.43 | KotCzarny | just kidding |
| 07:12.39 | kerio | just use backupmenu |
| 07:12.45 | kerio | or something like that |
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| 07:13.05 | KotCzarny | or make your system to boot to microsd |
| 07:13.24 | KotCzarny | then you can simply use tar.gz |
| 07:13.32 | KotCzarny | or rsync |
| 07:14.32 | kerio | you can do that anyway |
| 07:14.48 | kerio | but you really ought to copy *files* to make a backup of a unix system |
| 07:15.06 | KotCzarny | tar and rsync know what do |
| 07:15.11 | L29Ah | i'm yet to learn the purpose of all these mtd partitions |
| 07:15.42 | L29Ah | i don't backup the unix system, i backup the device state |
| 07:15.51 | L29Ah | to be able to flash it back with some 0xffff |
| 07:15.59 | kerio | yes |
| 07:16.02 | kerio | that's not how ubifs works |
| 07:16.25 | kerio | you can't backup the physical status of your mtd chip |
| 07:16.41 | L29Ah | i know about wear leveling stuff |
| 07:17.30 | KotCzarny | learn how to make fiasco images |
| 07:17.41 | KotCzarny | most likely its what you want |
| 07:18.37 | L29Ah | failed to google that out |
| 07:19.04 | L29Ah | more time investment seems unreasonable anyway |
| 07:19.17 | L29Ah | i guess i just dive in with uboot and multikernel stuff |
| 07:20.15 | kerio | or |
| 07:20.16 | kerio | you know |
| 07:20.19 | kerio | backupmenu |
| 07:20.28 | kerio | or just boot rescueos and do the tarring manually |
| 07:20.32 | kerio | it's literally the same thing |
| 07:20.47 | KotCzarny | will backupmenu backup /usr/local/ and other hand made filesystem changes? |
| 07:21.59 | kerio | backupmenu will back up the contents of ubi0:rootfs and /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 07:22.38 | KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 |
| 07:22.40 | povbot | 04Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found |
| 07:22.41 | KotCzarny | fiasco-gen |
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| 07:28.12 | KotCzarny | Fiasco-gen was published in PR1.1.1 SDK, now in non-free in SDK. |
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| 07:38.27 | L29Ah | uboot failed to use the filesystem :[ |
| 07:39.49 | L29Ah | the ubi one |
| 07:42.14 | kerio | ripperoni |
| 07:42.16 | KotCzarny | i wonder if we can recreate whole fs by dropping all those mtds and just use 2 |
| 07:42.42 | KotCzarny | 1 for nolo and stuff and 2 for system |
| 07:43.21 | kerio | good luck |
| 07:43.21 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: what's the point? |
| 07:43.36 | KotCzarny | l29ah: fun and hacking |
| 07:43.47 | KotCzarny | 'to see if that could work' |
| 07:44.06 | L29Ah | yep it could |
| 07:44.18 | L29Ah | but it's useless |
| 07:44.47 | KotCzarny | also, dropping ubi for simplification |
| 07:44.58 | kerio | what |
| 07:44.59 | kerio | the |
| 07:45.00 | kerio | FUCK |
| 07:45.02 | KotCzarny | but i plan to run a system from microsd |
| 07:45.17 | L29Ah | hmm |
| 07:45.27 | L29Ah | i guess u-boot doesn't like my ext2 for some reason |
| 07:46.28 | kerio | pali's uboot doesn't support extfs, iirc |
| 07:46.29 | L29Ah | no power kernel for me |
| 07:46.49 | L29Ah | the update script contents mention ext2 |
| 07:46.53 | kerio | which is why the provided script adds stuff to MyDocs |
| 07:46.59 | kerio | which is vfat |
| 07:47.27 | L29Ah | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.27 | L29Ah | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.49 | kerio | hm |
| 07:48.05 | kerio | there was *something* that i was expecting to be supported but wasn't |
| 07:48.21 | L29Ah | also i have the actual menu working |
| 07:48.37 | L29Ah | so ext2 must be hooked in well afaiu |
| 07:49.15 | L29Ah | > setenv mmctype fat |
| 07:49.18 | L29Ah | mmkay |
| 07:49.22 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:49.25 | L29Ah | i guess i need to poke pali |
| 07:50.21 | kerio | what fails in the boot process? |
| 07:53.16 | L29Ah | replaced fat to ext2 in the bootmenu generator, still no luck |
| 07:54.17 | L29Ah | kerio: i get "** Unrecognized filesystem type **" in uboot when i pick the non-attached kernel in nand |
| 07:54.45 | L29Ah | i guess i'll move it to mmc |
| 07:55.27 | kerio | i should make a backup |
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| 08:06.04 | L29Ah | okay i did it |
| 08:06.16 | L29Ah | default menu stuff is crap |
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| 08:13.09 | kerio | alright i got 28mb free on root |
| 08:13.13 | kerio | is this sensible |
| 08:13.16 | kerio | i don't think it's sensible |
| 08:13.20 | kerio | 28 is very very little |
| 08:13.26 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 08:13.36 | KotCzarny | are you going to install something? |
| 08:13.48 | kerio | irrelevant |
| 08:13.51 | KotCzarny | relevant |
| 08:14.06 | KotCzarny | isnt used by user in any way |
| 08:14.15 | KotCzarny | unless you are making systemwide changes |
| 08:14.53 | KotCzarny | and if you really care, move stuff to /opt and symlink it back |
| 08:18.31 | L29Ah | i have 50 available |
| 08:18.46 | L29Ah | sure it's sensible as you have 256 total |
| 08:18.49 | KotCzarny | i just move things to /opt as i go |
| 08:18.51 | kerio | yeah that's fair enough |
| 08:19.02 | KotCzarny | but i also have gcc and friends on the device |
| 08:19.10 | kerio | i have disabled ubifs compression |
| 08:19.11 | L29Ah | :] |
| 08:19.14 | kerio | i guess it's sensible enough |
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| 08:28.30 | pentanol | hello, I have question about n900 and sim-menu. I use russia celular provider mts and with the same sim card I have on another phone(also nokia) mts-info sim-menu for different services from phone provider. And I can't found this menu on the n900. |
| 08:30.24 | KotCzarny | its not android |
| 08:30.42 | KotCzarny | ah, you mean the sim card simmenu |
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| 08:31.27 | KotCzarny | im afraid you are without luck here |
| 08:31.33 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/sim_toolkit/ |
| 08:33.38 | KotCzarny | maybe you have some ussd codes as a second way ? |
| 08:35.44 | pentanol | sim toolkit that an application for n900? |
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| 08:38.36 | kerio | what decides how to crypt() passwords? |
| 08:38.44 | kerio | and whether or not to use /etc/shadow |
| 08:38.45 | KotCzarny | pam maybe |
| 08:38.51 | kerio | there's no pam |
| 08:39.24 | KotCzarny | and system uses shadow if there is trash in password field in /etc/password |
| 08:39.34 | kerio | does it |
| 08:39.51 | KotCzarny | as for the algo its included in the hashed pass |
| 08:39.56 | L29Ah | i guess it's up to login(1) if there's no pam |
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| 08:46.45 | kerio | alright /etc/shadow is checked if it exists |
| 08:46.59 | kerio | but the only advanced crypt() algorithm we have is md5 |
| 08:47.30 | L29Ah | it's salted so you shouldn't care much |
| 08:47.37 | KotCzarny | are you seriously caring about passwords on the device? |
| 08:47.47 | KotCzarny | there is so many ways to hack it |
| 08:48.01 | KotCzarny | rescueui for a start |
| 08:49.08 | kerio | this is to maybe allow remote password auth |
| 08:49.20 | pentanol | KotCzarny I don't have sim toolkit in list of applications, only sim-switcher. where I can found sim-toolkit.install? |
| 08:49.56 | KotCzarny | pentanol: from a quick google, its basically unsupported because required libraries are closed by nokia |
| 08:50.00 | KotCzarny | and not supporting it |
| 08:50.10 | kerio | yay, it works |
| 08:50.40 | KotCzarny | and probably sim switcher works because it uses ussd commands (i think) |
| 08:53.03 | L29Ah | kerio: who needs passwords on n900 anyway? |
| 08:53.08 | L29Ah | what for? |
| 08:53.12 | KotCzarny | l29ah: sshd |
| 08:53.21 | KotCzarny | and other services |
| 08:53.21 | kerio | do you really have passwordless sudo |
| 08:53.23 | L29Ah | key |
| 08:53.26 | L29Ah | yep |
| 08:53.37 | kerio | nice |
| 08:53.58 | kerio | so any arbitrary remote code execution is also a remote privilege escalation |
| 08:54.06 | L29Ah | yep |
| 08:54.15 | L29Ah | go install selinux on n900 |
| 08:54.24 | kerio | cool story bro |
| 08:54.26 | L29Ah | :] |
| 08:54.46 | KotCzarny | first and foremost, gsm networks dont assing external ip to you |
| 08:55.01 | L29Ah | user has all the interesting privileges anyway |
| 08:55.15 | KotCzarny | and on wifi networks you should be on some uni network or something to be really under any kind of attack |
| 08:55.16 | L29Ah | i think you can even brick the thing using only user |
| 08:55.50 | KotCzarny | l29ah: yes, you can: echo ". /blah/blah" >> ~/.profile |
| 08:55.51 | L29Ah | and no one cares enough to compile an arm code to hack your n900 anyway |
| 08:55.53 | KotCzarny | then try to reboot |
| 08:55.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 08:56.01 | L29Ah | ah yeah :3 |
| 08:56.01 | KotCzarny | seriously |
| 08:57.32 | drathir | any open hotspot is security threat... |
| 08:57.59 | KotCzarny | being on unsecure networks is a security threat |
| 08:58.22 | L29Ah | being is a security threat |
| 08:58.44 | KotCzarny | consequence of living is death, dont live! |
| 08:58.56 | L29Ah | i never asked for this! |
| 08:59.08 | KotCzarny | now you know |
| 08:59.09 | drathir | why not harder the life to attacker? |
| 08:59.31 | KotCzarny | drathir: most attacks are social engineering ones |
| 09:00.36 | L29Ah | drathir: i prefer to do actual stuff and account for the risks instead |
| 09:00.59 | KotCzarny | but seriously, i have the same system on my laptop, plain slackware, for more than 10 years i was connected directly and indirectly to unsecure networks, im hosting things via sshd/httpd |
| 09:01.07 | L29Ah | the worst case of a hacked n900 is a need to flash the thing over |
| 09:01.24 | L29Ah | and no music for some time that is just horrible and incompatible with living |
| 09:01.33 | KotCzarny | l29ah: unless one specifically wants to f*ck you up and clears the nolo |
| 09:01.49 | L29Ah | is usb handled by nolo? |
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| 09:01.54 | KotCzarny | but 1/ he needs to target you specifically, 2/ has to know what to do |
| 09:02.09 | KotCzarny | l29ah: think about nolo as a bios |
| 09:02.11 | L29Ah | i thought the device is new enough to have a smart bootloader in the rom in the soc |
| 09:02.42 | KotCzarny | is there any rom on n900? |
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| 09:05.28 | drathir | at n900 i guess the enough will be the encrypted storage space different pass than phone lock code.../ |
| 09:06.08 | L29Ah | haxor will hax u and dump all the stuff after you enter the password |
| 09:06.37 | KotCzarny | seriously, are you guys high value targets of hackers? |
| 09:07.12 | drathir | L29Ah: but You secure from unauthorised access to device... |
| 09:07.28 | drathir | in case You loose them... |
| 09:07.43 | KotCzarny | drathir: who is that unauthorized accessor? wife? kids? |
| 09:07.58 | KotCzarny | or in another way, what sensible data you store on it? |
| 09:08.00 | L29Ah | got a custom to type "hacked" into any accessible terminals |
| 09:08.08 | L29Ah | hacked some friends this way |
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| 09:08.13 | L29Ah | i'm a hackor |
| 09:08.23 | drathir | KotCzarny: devil is everywhere ^^ |
| 09:08.23 | KotCzarny | nope, you are a kidder |
| 09:08.40 | KotCzarny | there is no devil, there are only people |
| 09:08.55 | KotCzarny | (and mental illnesses) |
| 09:09.18 | L29Ah | competition is a mental illness |
| 09:09.33 | drathir | personally in my opinion never too much security... |
| 09:09.35 | KotCzarny | competition is a part of surviving skills |
| 09:10.00 | KotCzarny | drathir: first and foremost rule, assume your device WILL be hacked |
| 09:10.09 | KotCzarny | then just dont keep anything of value here |
| 09:10.09 | L29Ah | drathir: there's never too much food |
| 09:10.32 | KotCzarny | as i said, rescueos |
| 09:10.48 | KotCzarny | and unless you have come cryptfs in place, its all plain text |
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| 09:11.56 | drathir | KotCzarny: at n900 no big deal there is ssh able to remote keep things when needed... |
| 09:12.04 | KotCzarny | http://zitstif.no-ip.org/?p=694 |
| 09:12.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:12.09 | KotCzarny | unrelated but fun |
| 09:12.25 | drathir | but still encryption of whole device is always good thing... |
| 09:12.42 | KotCzarny | thats why i said about running whole os from microsd |
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| 09:13.26 | KotCzarny | cryptfs the fs and ask for password on boot |
| 09:13.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:13.48 | KotCzarny | if you lose your device, battery will run out and be inaccessible afterwards |
| 09:14.50 | drathir | KotCzarny: yes thats is good thing... |
| 09:15.09 | L29Ah | 100% haxor site |
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| 11:32.26 | Sicelo | by the way, SIM Toolkit is a real threat, especially now that rogue cell towers are a big reality |
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| 15:58.50 | drathir | Pali: thanks for remember ^^ |
| 15:58.59 | Pali | :-) |
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| 19:02.02 | L29Ah | wonders what magic sysrq on n900 is |
| 19:02.33 | KotCzarny | alt-sysrq? |
| 19:02.39 | KotCzarny | map the key |
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| 19:07.13 | L29Ah | wtf n900 sshd started to ask me the password for some reason |
| 19:07.59 | KotCzarny | you got haket! |
| 19:08.12 | L29Ah | totally |
| 19:08.37 | KotCzarny | are you sure you arent suffering from short term amnesia or splitted personalities? |
| 19:09.04 | L29Ah | i hope so |
| 19:11.33 | L29Ah | okay i suck |
| 19:11.41 | L29Ah | entered ! instead of * into /etc/passwd |
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| 19:14.53 | L29Ah | strange: sometimes n900 won't autoconnect to the wifi net after a reboot |
| 19:16.06 | Sicelo | WPA2-Enterprise? |
| 19:16.24 | L29Ah | no |
| 19:16.41 | L29Ah | wtf, i have fresh files lost after a reboot |
| 19:16.47 | L29Ah | even though i even called sync(1) |
| 19:16.57 | L29Ah | files were on ext2 on the internal mmc |
| 19:18.22 | KotCzarny | maybe internal chip has some buffering |
| 19:18.39 | KotCzarny | but i have such situations on pc too |
| 19:18.57 | KotCzarny | having ext3 helps a bit |
| 19:19.50 | L29Ah | somehow kernel-power failed to mount ext{3,4} |
| 19:20.18 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:20.26 | KotCzarny | but worked with ext2? |
| 19:20.31 | L29Ah | yep |
| 19:20.54 | KotCzarny | recompile it and just use ext4 module with backward compatibility and disable ext2/3 |
| 19:20.55 | drathir | L29Ah: lol its normal at first sshd instal it force to setup a pass ^^ |
| 19:21.10 | L29Ah | wow i got a backtrace from 4.1 :] |
| 19:21.49 | L29Ah | and it shut down |
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| 19:22.10 | KotCzarny | keep hacking |
| 19:24.56 | L29Ah | i guess it's maemo shutting stuff down |
| 19:25.02 | L29Ah | as looks like init is run |
| 19:25.25 | KotCzarny | could be, pass init=/bin/bash |
| 19:25.31 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 19:28.27 | L29Ah | the kernel image file vanished again |
| 19:28.28 | L29Ah | ffs |
| 19:28.34 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:28.43 | KotCzarny | boot via flasher (without flashing) |
| 19:29.04 | L29Ah | i can boot with the attached image |
| 19:29.11 | L29Ah | anyway this is a serious problem |
| 19:29.26 | KotCzarny | which one/ |
| 19:29.32 | KotCzarny | unstable flash? |
| 19:29.32 | L29Ah | the lost files one |
| 19:30.19 | L29Ah | qemu-user doesn't want to work :[ |
| 19:42.50 | L29Ah | fuck yeah bash |
| 19:42.57 | L29Ah | dammit it shut down anyway |
| 19:43.06 | L29Ah | i guess i need to disable some watchdog thingie |
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| 20:14.28 | {-0-} | Hi! (new to n900, as in yesterday) I want to do bluetooth tethering via another phone (symbian so massive battery life) and usb otg, bt-dun-client requires a kernel update and ( I think, from reading ) otg needs cssu, will this work without harming the ovi maps on my n900? |
| 20:15.16 | {-0-} | should I install the bootmenu first and do it baby steps? |
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| 20:15.55 | Sicelo | ovi maps has no relation to kernel |
| 20:16.02 | L29Ah | nah just apt-get install kernel-power and you're fine |
| 20:16.23 | L29Ah | not sure if it will support the required bluetooth thing tho |
| 20:16.34 | L29Ah | failed making bluetooth working |
| 20:16.35 | Sicelo | yes |
| 20:17.05 | {-0-} | ok, for that I grab apps/developer and gainroot? then kernel power? |
| 20:18.18 | {-0-} | should I do bootmenu first? |
| 20:19.07 | {-0-} | sorry for all the questions, just alike a recipe, ingredients in the wrong order and the cake is a biscuit! |
| 20:19.08 | L29Ah | Pali: can i disable the watchdog from linux for until a reboot? |
| 20:19.41 | KotCzarny | isnt watchdog a kernel thing? |
| 20:19.51 | Pali | L29Ah: yes, load watchdog driver with nowayout=0 param |
| 20:20.10 | Pali | no, watchdog is HW thing which can be configured |
| 20:20.15 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 20:20.22 | KotCzarny | good to know |
| 20:20.41 | Sicelo | {-0-}: depends on what you really want to do with your device. backupmenu is a good first recommendation ... will help you not have to flash |
| 20:25.49 | {-0-} | Sicelo, ok, will do, thank you |
| 20:27.21 | L29Ah | the kernel spams "clock: dpll1_ck failed transition to 'locked'" every 5s and hangs for some time |
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| 21:32.09 | {-0-} | my liblzo2-2 is missing, should I install this? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/l/lzo2/liblzo2-2_2.03-1maemo3_armel.deb |
| 21:32.49 | {-0-} | it says maemo 3 but it's in the freemantle set |
| 21:33.59 | {-0-} | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901 |
| 21:34.01 | povbot | 04Bug 8901: openvpn installation failed. liblzo2-2 missing |
| 21:34.15 | {-0-} | beat the bot! :) |
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