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| 05:32.04 | L29Ah | Can't locate PerlIO.pm in @INC |
| 05:32.05 | L29Ah | T_T |
| 05:32.32 | L29Ah | oh |
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| 06:08.50 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: lol mediabox sucks |
| 06:09.10 | KotCzarny | what's mediabox? |
| 06:09.25 | L29Ah | https://bpaste.net/show/cd54b9d3719c |
| 06:09.30 | L29Ah | the stock player |
| 06:09.30 | princefakhan | L29Ah: it does. |
| 06:10.08 | L29Ah | https://bpaste.net/show/2f85e21fac9c measuring program |
| 06:10.10 | princefakhan | I installed it on my and I was disappointed. |
| 06:10.21 | KotCzarny | wow |
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| 06:10.38 | KotCzarny | decoding on cpu is more power effective? |
| 06:10.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:10.49 | princefakhan | oh well. it also sucks battery. |
| 06:11.07 | KotCzarny | also, mind you, pygtk is very unoptimized |
| 06:11.44 | L29Ah | i wonder if one can sigstop it when screen is off |
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| 06:12.24 | KotCzarny | i might add check for screen off and simply stop updating gui |
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| 06:34.03 | KotCzarny | drathir: it doesnt matter which core is more loaded (cpu vs dsp) because it has to do similar work, and cpu decoding is quite effective nowadays |
| 06:34.34 | L29Ah | *efficient |
| 06:34.34 | L29Ah | :] |
| 06:34.40 | KotCzarny | pf |
| 06:34.45 | KotCzarny | but right |
| 06:35.08 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: mind pasting those results in oscp tmo thread? |
| 06:35.27 | L29Ah | link? |
| 06:35.36 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 |
| 06:36.00 | KotCzarny | also, you might also test omp (open media player) |
| 06:36.14 | KotCzarny | which is usually recommended over stock media player |
| 06:36.39 | KotCzarny | also, is that mp3 constant bitrate? |
| 06:37.38 | L29Ah | dunno |
| 06:37.43 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: (CPU decoding) - no way cortex A8 is as efficient as C64x DSP in de/coding of audio-video, even when using NEON |
| 06:37.52 | L29Ah | i played it from the beginning every time tho |
| 06:38.07 | freemangordon | DSP has special instructions to deal with the most common tasks in HW |
| 06:38.25 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: then it must be gui drawing that does more work |
| 06:39.36 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: I couldn't find the context in the backscroll, but anyway, offloading multimedia stuff to DSK is 1 - battery efficient, 2 - frees CPU to do the job it is meant for |
| 06:39.37 | KotCzarny | also, i wonder how much power would be saved bypassing pusleaudio |
| 06:39.42 | KotCzarny | https://bpaste.net/raw/cd54b9d3719c |
| 06:39.46 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: depends |
| 06:39.51 | KotCzarny | that's the link i'm commenting |
| 06:40.50 | freemangordon | PA uses more power when the output is on speakers because of the x-prot |
| 06:41.05 | KotCzarny | but results are similar with headphones on too |
| 06:41.12 | freemangordon | it is not PA to balme, but the flawed HW design |
| 06:41.21 | freemangordon | similar? |
| 06:41.28 | freemangordon | 100mW diff |
| 06:41.35 | KotCzarny | ie. stock player using 5-10% power more |
| 06:42.04 | freemangordon | which one is the stock player? |
| 06:42.07 | KotCzarny | mediabox |
| 06:42.18 | freemangordon | never heard about it :D |
| 06:42.23 | freemangordon | is that on n900? |
| 06:42.28 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:42.37 | freemangordon | stock player is called mediaplayer |
| 06:42.44 | freemangordon | but it is gui only |
| 06:43.01 | freemangordon | the real one is ... err... dammit |
| 06:43.02 | KotCzarny | does it have an option to play in background? |
| 06:43.06 | KotCzarny | gstreamer |
| 06:43.09 | freemangordon | no |
| 06:43.17 | freemangordon | just a second to remember |
| 06:43.21 | KotCzarny | it doesnt use gst as a backend? |
| 06:43.27 | L29Ah | hmm, i had mediabox preinstalled on my thing |
| 06:43.28 | freemangordon | it uses gst |
| 06:43.45 | freemangordon | L29Ah: it is not in the FW |
| 06:44.09 | freemangordon | feels stupid |
| 06:44.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:44.18 | freemangordon | oooh |
| 06:44.27 | KotCzarny | new day, new knowledge |
| 06:44.29 | freemangordon | it is the so-called mafw framework |
| 06:44.43 | KotCzarny | isnt mafw spawn of evil? |
| 06:44.52 | freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 |
| 06:45.08 | freemangordon | doesn't matter, this is what the stock player uses |
| 06:45.15 | freemangordon | also, why evil? |
| 06:45.17 | L29Ah | okay i'll go measure mediaplayer |
| 06:45.41 | L29Ah | can't find how to make it play a file |
| 06:45.41 | KotCzarny | i remember some people having issues with mafw being hard to use |
| 06:45.52 | freemangordon | L29Ah: make sure tracker has settled down before you start measuring |
| 06:46.16 | KotCzarny | tracker starts everytime you open stockplayer? |
| 06:46.40 | freemangordon | depends |
| 06:46.44 | L29Ah | damn can i do this at all? |
| 06:46.52 | freemangordon | if there is new stuff to be indexed |
| 06:47.10 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: but it has to start to check if there is new stuff, right? |
| 06:47.14 | freemangordon | L29Ah: just open mediaplayer and select a song to be played :) |
| 06:47.23 | KotCzarny | my question is, does it do it every time you open stockplayer? |
| 06:47.29 | L29Ah | > (no songs) |
| 06:47.33 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 06:47.37 | L29Ah | i killed the tracker thing and forgot how |
| 06:47.45 | freemangordon | this is the first time you start it? |
| 06:47.49 | L29Ah | yep |
| 06:47.49 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 06:47.55 | freemangordon | killed... |
| 06:48.12 | L29Ah | not as in "kill(1)" |
| 06:48.12 | freemangordon | mafw uses tracker db to feed mediaplayer |
| 06:48.53 | freemangordon | L29Ah: you should find a way to revive it :) |
| 06:49.09 | L29Ah | i remember there was some gui to configure it |
| 06:49.17 | freemangordon | tracker cfg :) |
| 06:49.35 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 06:49.43 | KotCzarny | i disabled tracker on mine too |
| 06:49.49 | freemangordon | why? |
| 06:49.56 | KotCzarny | because i hate stock player |
| 06:50.08 | freemangordon | that is not a reason :P |
| 06:50.15 | L29Ah | i killed it because it was thrashing on my gentoo chroot |
| 06:50.17 | KotCzarny | and because i have a gui to play audio/video without it |
| 06:50.30 | freemangordon | tracker dose more stuff than audio/video |
| 06:50.34 | freemangordon | *does |
| 06:50.41 | freemangordon | way more |
| 06:50.47 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i dont need it, no app i use needs it |
| 06:51.03 | freemangordon | I assume you don't really use your n900 for anything but a toy |
| 06:51.05 | KotCzarny | i hate all those trackers/indexers |
| 06:51.29 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i use it for sporadical internet browsing, a/v player, phone |
| 06:51.44 | freemangordon | your daily device? |
| 06:51.48 | KotCzarny | and sometimes shell work |
| 06:51.54 | KotCzarny | yes, its my main phone |
| 06:52.00 | KotCzarny | since 2009 |
| 06:52.15 | freemangordon | so, you don;t use e-mail, do not take shots? |
| 06:52.20 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 06:52.30 | KotCzarny | ah, right, camera too |
| 06:52.35 | KotCzarny | but no email/social stuff |
| 06:52.48 | KotCzarny | for social i use ssh/irc |
| 06:52.51 | freemangordon | so, aiui you use ~10 percent of what it is capable |
| 06:53.12 | KotCzarny | nope, some gaming too |
| 06:53.12 | freemangordon | but for 100% usage tracker is a must |
| 06:53.31 | freemangordon | I mean producing, not consuming :) |
| 06:53.32 | KotCzarny | you still didnt say what needs it |
| 06:53.39 | freemangordon | email search |
| 06:53.43 | freemangordon | image gallery |
| 06:53.46 | KotCzarny | i use web based email |
| 06:54.00 | KotCzarny | for image gallery i use my own app |
| 06:54.12 | freemangordon | :) |
| 06:54.14 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 06:54.15 | KotCzarny | more? |
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| 06:54.45 | freemangordon | yes, there are more iirc, but need to dig deeper to find what else |
| 06:54.47 | KotCzarny | also, constant tracking/indexing is evil on mobile app, it should be done when actual needs arise |
| 06:54.59 | freemangordon | who said it does constant indexing? |
| 06:55.00 | KotCzarny | if you need to dig more, then its not that essential |
| 06:55.11 | KotCzarny | constant as in 'you start an app, tracker starts' |
| 06:55.20 | freemangordon | it is not how it works |
| 06:55.49 | freemangordon | I warned L29Ah because I was almost sure it will be the first time he'll use MP |
| 06:55.55 | L29Ah | 415mW on mediaplayer on speakers |
| 06:55.59 | freemangordon | he? she? |
| 06:56.07 | KotCzarny | he |
| 06:56.15 | L29Ah | who cares? |
| 06:56.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:56.22 | freemangordon | :) |
| 06:56.31 | freemangordon | so, after all stock MP is not that bad :) |
| 06:56.37 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: now with headphones |
| 06:56.44 | L29Ah | ye |
| 06:56.55 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: yeah, but its usability is flawed |
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| 06:57.09 | KotCzarny | i hate media libraries, i organize things by directory/file name |
| 06:57.13 | freemangordon | depend on your use cases |
| 06:57.17 | freemangordon | *depends |
| 06:57.40 | KotCzarny | ie. most general genre/detailed genre/artists/albums/tracks |
| 06:57.44 | L29Ah | 262mW |
| 06:57.46 | L29Ah | o_O |
| 06:57.49 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: so, what stops you from having file manager opened? |
| 06:57.51 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:57.59 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i use mc |
| 06:58.10 | KotCzarny | as file manager |
| 06:58.12 | freemangordon | so? |
| 06:58.22 | KotCzarny | so i dont need trackerd |
| 06:58.22 | L29Ah | bumped the wiki |
| 06:58.36 | freemangordon | tell mc to open MP when you press enter on a media file |
| 06:58.45 | KotCzarny | i use mplayer for enter commands |
| 06:58.51 | freemangordon | anyway |
| 06:58.57 | freemangordon | it is your device :) |
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| 06:59.14 | freemangordon | L29Ah: what FW is that? |
| 06:59.23 | freemangordon | stock? CSSU? CSSU-thumb? |
| 06:59.26 | KotCzarny | yes, i know, but i like to have choice, and not have things shuffled by force because 'its needed by ..' |
| 06:59.36 | L29Ah | mediaplayer seems to stop the gui when the screen is off |
| 06:59.41 | L29Ah | freemangordon: dunno |
| 06:59.46 | freemangordon | oh, come on |
| 06:59.48 | L29Ah | non-thumb i guess |
| 06:59.55 | freemangordon | check in control panel |
| 07:00.27 | L29Ah | 21.2011.38-1 |
| 07:00.28 | freemangordon | L29Ah: also, which kernel |
| 07:00.30 | L29Ah | w/ power kernel |
| 07:00.36 | freemangordon | profile? |
| 07:00.48 | L29Ah | wat |
| 07:00.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:00.53 | freemangordon | kernel profile that is |
| 07:01.01 | L29Ah | dunno what's kernel profile |
| 07:01.12 | freemangordon | do you have kernel-power-settings installed? |
| 07:01.18 | freemangordon | ~kernel-power |
| 07:01.29 | freemangordon | ~lady |
| 07:01.33 | freemangordon | ~ping |
| 07:01.33 | infobot | ~pong |
| 07:01.45 | KotCzarny | ~kernelpower |
| 07:01.49 | KotCzarny | ~power-kernel |
| 07:01.49 | infobot | rumour has it, power-kernel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power |
| 07:01.56 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 07:01.57 | L29Ah | ye |
| 07:01.59 | L29Ah | hm |
| 07:02.12 | L29Ah | i remember hitting `kernel-load` on some customized file |
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| 07:02.37 | freemangordon | hmm, kernel-load is ages old |
| 07:02.44 | freemangordon | which KP version is that? |
| 07:02.52 | L29Ah | freemangordon: https://bpaste.net/show/28515c0e339f |
| 07:02.57 | L29Ah | 2.6.28.10-power53 |
| 07:03.11 | freemangordon | uh |
| 07:03.14 | freemangordon | 900 MHz |
| 07:03.45 | L29Ah | some wiki page said smartreflex thing doesn't work on bigger freqs |
| 07:03.50 | L29Ah | so i didn't try them |
| 07:03.55 | L29Ah | why "uh"? |
| 07:04.07 | freemangordon | says it doesn't work for anything > 805 |
| 07:04.19 | freemangordon | 900 is too much |
| 07:04.46 | L29Ah | lol then smartreflex sucks and doesn't matter as consumption at 900 = consumption at 250 / 250 * 900 |
| 07:05.09 | freemangordon | doesn't work == not reliable :) |
| 07:05.22 | L29Ah | i'm yet to see it crashing |
| 07:05.36 | freemangordon | yes, because your DSP is downclocked |
| 07:05.49 | freemangordon | or rather not OC enough |
| 07:05.51 | KotCzarny | Since Kernel Power 50 (KP50), despite some disagreements amongst some of the more senior Maemo developers, SmartReflex can now be considered stable up 900MHz with stock DSP frequencies and up to 600Mhz for overclocked DSP |
| 07:05.59 | KotCzarny | wiki need to be updated then |
| 07:06.08 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.59 | L29Ah | hugs his brick |
| 07:07.10 | freemangordon | you could check who made the latest SR related patches, no need for a wiki ;) |
| 07:07.26 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 07:08.33 | freemangordon | 900 is not even considered in kernel |
| 07:08.45 | freemangordon | it uses the voltage for 805, iirc |
| 07:09.06 | freemangordon | so, L29Ah has a very stable device |
| 07:09.52 | freemangordon | but that stability could be because of the usage pattern as well |
| 07:10.19 | L29Ah | i was compiling gentoo for hours at 900MHz |
| 07:11.14 | freemangordon | oh, and battery usage on 900 max as about 1.5 times more than on 805 and about 2 times more than on 500. iirc, there were some graphics on TMO made by vi |
| 07:11.48 | L29Ah | sounds bullshitty |
| 07:11.52 | L29Ah | lemme check 805 |
| 07:11.53 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 07:11.58 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 07:12.10 | freemangordon | L29Ah: load "dsp" profile |
| 07:12.15 | freemangordon | kernel-config load dsp |
| 07:12.52 | L29Ah | why? |
| 07:13.20 | freemangordon | because this is the profile KP53 is supposed to work woth for 250-805 range |
| 07:13.26 | freemangordon | *with |
| 07:13.37 | freemangordon | it should "just work" |
| 07:13.44 | L29Ah | i go mess w/ scaling_max_freq and run some infinite loops |
| 07:13.56 | freemangordon | most of the times, unless you;re unlucky and your DSP doesn;t tolerate SR |
| 07:13.58 | KotCzarny | infinite loop will only check cpu |
| 07:14.00 | KotCzarny | and not dsp |
| 07:14.06 | L29Ah | who cares about dsp? |
| 07:14.11 | freemangordon | me |
| 07:14.13 | freemangordon | :) |
| 07:14.30 | freemangordon | and all the others who play videos on n900 |
| 07:14.47 | KotCzarny | yeah, videos are the only reason to care |
| 07:14.57 | L29Ah | it failed to play my 720p porn and i'm too lazy to install hacks from tmo |
| 07:15.09 | freemangordon | hacks? |
| 07:15.15 | freemangordon | come on |
| 07:15.19 | L29Ah | 1064mW at 900MHz |
| 07:15.34 | freemangordon | you locked it @900 |
| 07:15.37 | freemangordon | |? |
| 07:15.39 | freemangordon | ? |
| 07:15.50 | KotCzarny | infinite loop should lock it at max |
| 07:15.54 | freemangordon | oh |
| 07:17.17 | L29Ah | 903mW at 805MHz |
| 07:17.21 | L29Ah | freemangordon â he sucks |
| 07:18.36 | freemangordon | L29Ah: this is not how you measure n900 power consumption |
| 07:19.03 | freemangordon | a real usage pattern never puts CPU @max constantly |
| 07:19.36 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: check the 600mhz too |
| 07:19.47 | freemangordon | no, 500 |
| 07:19.53 | KotCzarny | isnt 600 the stock one? |
| 07:19.57 | freemangordon | it is not linear |
| 07:20.01 | freemangordon | it is |
| 07:20.05 | L29Ah | freemangordon: yeah i need to hack in some intermittent load simulator |
| 07:20.18 | L29Ah | almost linear anyway |
| 07:20.25 | freemangordon | no, it is not |
| 07:20.26 | L29Ah | 278@250 |
| 07:20.41 | freemangordon | the "sweet spot" is 500 |
| 07:20.44 | L29Ah | λ> 1064 / 900 |
| 07:20.44 | L29Ah | 1.1822222222222223 |
| 07:20.44 | L29Ah | λ> 903/805 |
| 07:20.44 | L29Ah | 1.1217391304347826 |
| 07:20.44 | L29Ah | λ> 278/250 |
| 07:20.45 | L29Ah | 1.112 |
| 07:20.55 | freemangordon | performance/vs mA |
| 07:20.56 | L29Ah | 805 looks quite sweet |
| 07:21.25 | KotCzarny | might be some additional things kicking in |
| 07:21.38 | freemangordon | L29Ah: your math misses he time needed to finish the job |
| 07:21.43 | freemangordon | *the |
| 07:22.25 | freemangordon | anyway /me has to run to the office |
| 07:22.31 | freemangordon | bye |
| 07:23.10 | L29Ah | how so? T_T |
| 07:24.20 | KotCzarny | because if your compile needs 600s at 900mhz or 900s at 600mhz |
| 07:24.45 | L29Ah | so? |
| 07:25.10 | KotCzarny | so it uses more power at 900, so you would ave to count mW used |
| 07:25.14 | KotCzarny | mWh |
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| 07:25.24 | L29Ah | that's why i divided by frequency |
| 07:26.46 | L29Ah | leaving the time away and counting milliwatts per megahertz or nanojoules per clock cycle |
| 07:27.38 | L29Ah | 524@500 |
| 07:27.45 | KotCzarny | that's assuming mhz relates directly to time |
| 07:27.46 | freemangordon | this is too synthetic, what you really need is the energy needed to finish a job J |
| 07:27.48 | L29Ah | yeah sweet |
| 07:28.03 | freemangordon | L29Ah: oh, so it is > 2x |
| 07:28.07 | L29Ah | 500 is more efficient than 250 |
| 07:28.12 | freemangordon | yes, it is |
| 07:28.14 | L29Ah | freemangordon: so you suck |
| 07:28.17 | freemangordon | hmm? |
| 07:28.22 | freemangordon | why is that? |
| 07:28.36 | L29Ah | 1.048 * 2 â 1.1822222222222223 |
| 07:28.59 | freemangordon | no, it is your math that suck |
| 07:29.02 | L29Ah | if we are to measure power consumption per equal jobs |
| 07:29.04 | L29Ah | how so? |
| 07:29.18 | freemangordon | I still don;t see the time in your equations |
| 07:29.26 | L29Ah | you suck |
| 07:29.33 | freemangordon | yeah. right |
| 07:29.37 | freemangordon | is out |
| 07:29.44 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: explain him plz :3 |
| 07:29.57 | KotCzarny | few lines above |
| 07:30.00 | KotCzarny | that's assuming mhz relates directly to time |
| 07:30.04 | L29Ah | wat |
| 07:30.06 | L29Ah | ah |
| 07:30.20 | KotCzarny | and he says it doesnt |
| 07:30.24 | KotCzarny | and you says it does |
| 07:30.26 | L29Ah | yeah i suck |
| 07:30.39 | L29Ah | if we're adding i/o |
| 07:32.10 | KotCzarny | but if cpu is waiting idle, it should downclock, thats why real test for doing clean+compile would tell real number |
| 07:32.28 | KotCzarny | better yet 2 or 3 times |
| 07:33.18 | L29Ah | compiling is a bad performance criteria for n900 uses |
| 07:33.32 | L29Ah | maybe an hour of oscp playback will do |
| 07:33.32 | KotCzarny | but its the usecase most interesting to you |
| 07:33.38 | L29Ah | not really |
| 07:33.55 | L29Ah | i'm not going to compile much off grid |
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| 07:34.35 | KotCzarny | you might use oscp core and gstreamer as a usecase |
| 07:38.35 | KotCzarny | (both callable via ssh) |
| 07:39.04 | KotCzarny | oh, and could you test ncurses mode for oscp? |
| 07:39.25 | KotCzarny | should be close to gui-off, but im curious |
| 07:40.17 | L29Ah | nah i ran out of fuel, go measure yourself ;p |
| 07:42.11 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 08:32.57 | kerio | what's the best way to launch ssh-agent? |
| 08:33.13 | KotCzarny | maybe .profile |
| 08:33.19 | KotCzarny | ~/.profile |
| 08:33.38 | KotCzarny | though i dont know if n900's shell reads that file |
| 08:33.56 | kerio | it does, but every new terminal window is a login shell |
| 08:34.57 | KotCzarny | ahm, no, looking at my files it worked different |
| 08:35.14 | KotCzarny | i have ~/.sa containing: |
| 08:35.15 | KotCzarny | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-ilYYun2285/agent.2285; export SSH_AUTH_SOCK; |
| 08:35.15 | KotCzarny | SSH_AGENT_PID=2286; export SSH_AGENT_PID; |
| 08:35.15 | KotCzarny | echo Agent pid 2286; |
| 08:35.25 | kerio | and it's sourced by .profile? |
| 08:35.25 | KotCzarny | and in .profile: . /home/ariel/.sa |
| 08:35.32 | kerio | yeah but what launches ssh-agent? |
| 08:35.48 | KotCzarny | cant find a trace |
| 08:35.56 | KotCzarny | might be hand launched |
| 08:35.59 | kerio | because if you're launching it manually, might as well have a static SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/home/user/.ssh/agent |
| 08:36.12 | kerio | and launch `ssh-agent -a .ssh/agent` manually |
| 08:36.20 | KotCzarny | im using hibernation so it was running all the time |
| 08:36.53 | kerio | dat feel when os x's ssh setup is the best |
| 08:36.53 | KotCzarny | but as above, you can add some if/else magic |
| 08:37.37 | KotCzarny | dat feel, when you start to be baffled by f*ckton of weirs osx directories |
| 08:37.41 | KotCzarny | *weird |
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| 08:40.21 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 08:40.28 | KotCzarny | grroink |
| 08:40.38 | zGrr | KotCzarny: 'bry :) |
| 08:40.48 | KotCzarny | elo ;) |
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| 08:49.34 | L29Ah | i don't understand ppl who use ssh-agent |
| 08:50.00 | KotCzarny | its useful if you use passphrase but dont want it enter more than once per session |
| 08:50.09 | L29Ah | use session sharing ffs |
| 08:50.19 | bencoh | it's different |
| 08:50.24 | L29Ah | also pubkeys ftw |
| 08:50.27 | L29Ah | bencoh: yeah i know |
| 08:50.31 | KotCzarny | from nokia smlv3 'this product is of superior design and craftmanship and should be treated with care' |
| 08:50.43 | kerio | L29Ah: what |
| 08:50.44 | L29Ah | :3 |
| 08:50.50 | kerio | wtf is session sharing |
| 08:50.51 | bencoh | KotCzarny: how cute :) |
| 08:50.58 | bencoh | kerio: man ssh, /master |
| 08:50.59 | kerio | controlmaster? |
| 08:51.02 | kerio | that's a different thing |
| 08:51.02 | bencoh | yeah |
| 08:51.14 | kerio | and it's pretty damn awkward if your connection isn't really reliable |
| 08:51.38 | L29Ah | drops his pubkey the first time he ssh'es to a machine |
| 08:51.47 | KotCzarny | there were some tcp/ip tweaks for ssh over flaky connections |
| 08:51.59 | KotCzarny | l29ah: passphrase |
| 08:52.17 | kerio | besides, the ssh version on fremantle doesn't really have the fancy stuff that make connection muxing bearable |
| 08:52.27 | KotCzarny | with sshagent you enter passphrase only once |
| 08:52.39 | kerio | like controlpersist |
| 08:53.26 | kerio | also, agent forwarding only works if you're using an actual agent |
| 08:53.32 | L29Ah | wow ControlPersist |
| 08:53.36 | L29Ah | :* |
| 08:53.39 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:53.45 | KotCzarny | new day, new knowledge |
| 08:53.55 | KotCzarny | and to think it was all the time in the man page! |
| 08:54.04 | bencoh | not all the time I guess |
| 08:54.05 | kerio | L29Ah: if you're doing things right, your private key takes *seconds* to be decrypted |
| 08:54.09 | kerio | on a real computer |
| 08:54.18 | bencoh | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-5.6 |
| 08:54.20 | L29Ah | i've read the man some years ago but no |
| 08:54.34 | kerio | ssh on n900 is 5.1 |
| 08:54.38 | L29Ah | kerio: huh? |
| 08:54.44 | KotCzarny | he got n900 only recently |
| 08:55.11 | kerio | new-format keys allow for multiple rounds of bcrypt |
| 08:55.18 | L29Ah | i have unencrypted private keys lying in an encfs, reads instantly |
| 08:55.29 | kerio | dear lord .-. |
| 08:58.11 | bencoh | oO |
| 08:59.59 | KotCzarny | n900 allows for intermittent operation from -40C to +85C |
| 09:00.02 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:00.19 | KotCzarny | without the damage, but without guarantee to work |
| 09:00.33 | bencoh | uh |
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| 09:07.05 | KotCzarny | someone asked for schematics: http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_service_manual_and_schematic_download |
| 09:09.33 | KotCzarny | i think many things about n900 could be added to maemo.org wiki |
| 09:09.47 | KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout for example |
| 09:10.04 | bencoh | true |
| 09:10.06 | bencoh | yeah |
| 09:10.20 | KotCzarny | and added as in copied, as the page could go missing |
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| 09:11.17 | KotCzarny | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_RX-51_firmware_data_package_download |
| 09:11.18 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 09:12.15 | KotCzarny | also, i wonder what is the legal status of the service manuals |
| 09:12.27 | KotCzarny | since n900 is abandoned |
| 09:13.05 | L29Ah | microsoft will sue and see you in hell |
| 09:13.13 | bencoh | nothing is "abandoned" from the legal view |
| 09:15.18 | L29Ah | http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/hardware/ nice collection |
| 09:15.46 | L29Ah | found schematics for his thinkpads |
| 09:16.15 | bencoh | the plan9 port for n900 neither really started :) |
| 09:16.58 | L29Ah | it'd take some dev-years to do :/ |
| 09:17.39 | bencoh | probably not that much, if plan9 runs on some arm board |
| 09:17.52 | bencoh | I think it does |
| 09:18.22 | bencoh | http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/omap/ |
| 09:21.19 | L29Ah | i wonder how hard it'd be to make highpass in dsp |
| 09:22.40 | KotCzarny | i guess you could find code examples |
| 09:23.08 | KotCzarny | and implement it to maemo |
| 09:25.01 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1326668&postcount=182 |
| 09:25.02 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:25.24 | KotCzarny | i wonder. |
| 09:25.54 | L29Ah | ah i guess nevermind as one won't play music thru speakers anyway |
| 09:26.21 | L29Ah | :D |
| 09:26.37 | bencoh | some do |
| 09:27.45 | zGrr | L29Ah: what is wrong with using ssh-agent? |
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| 09:28.39 | KotCzarny | l29ah, i guess you could try using gstreamer as an highpass filter |
| 09:28.55 | L29Ah | zGrr: nothing |
| 09:29.18 | KotCzarny | i wonder if i should use gst+alsa instead of pa |
| 09:29.25 | KotCzarny | and what would be the outcome |
| 09:30.11 | L29Ah | okay there are speakers on ebay |
| 09:30.24 | L29Ah | need to make the phone work thru alsa tho |
| 09:31.10 | KotCzarny | l29ah: try setting ~/.aoconfig |
| 09:31.28 | L29Ah | i don't have such file |
| 09:32.16 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 09:32.33 | KotCzarny | https://xiph.org/ao/doc/config.html |
| 09:32.47 | L29Ah | oh it uses libao? nice |
| 09:32.48 | KotCzarny | echo default_driver=alsa >~/.libao |
| 09:33.12 | KotCzarny | but i dont remember if n900's libao has alsa backend compiled in |
| 09:34.49 | KotCzarny | yeah, no alsa backend |
| 09:34.52 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 09:34.54 | KotCzarny | only pulse |
| 09:35.21 | KotCzarny | maybe i should recompile pa and just share the .so |
| 09:35.53 | KotCzarny | also, remember it will block the audio device |
| 09:36.03 | L29Ah | dmix! |
| 09:36.18 | L29Ah | and some hook to get rid of dmix on calls |
| 09:36.23 | L29Ah | hmm |
| 09:36.55 | L29Ah | needs exeprimenting |
| 09:37.07 | KotCzarny | or redirect calls to alsa |
| 09:38.33 | L29Ah | okay, put it on my list after playing w/ modern kernel |
| 09:38.46 | KotCzarny | l29ah: check that libao config, maybe alsa is built in |
| 09:39.01 | L29Ah | what config? |
| 09:39.09 | KotCzarny | echo default_driver=alsa >~/.libao |
| 09:39.16 | KotCzarny | and if oscp plays anything |
| 09:39.27 | KotCzarny | if it doesnt just echo default_driver=pulse >~/.libao |
| 09:40.14 | KotCzarny | where is the source of http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/liba/libao0/ ? |
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| 09:41.34 | L29Ah | it does but still uses pa |
| 09:41.41 | Kabouik_ | Hi guys. I've got an issue with my N900, which suddenly refuses to boot. When I turn it on, I have the brief white Nokia splash, blue let stays on, and screen turns black (but on) for like 10 sec, and then everything is off. It does not reboot. |
| 09:41.43 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 09:41.54 | Kabouik_ | Last time I used it was yesterday, it ran out of battery |
| 09:41.58 | KotCzarny | kabouik: battery dead |
| 09:42.11 | Kabouik_ | I charged it using an external charger this morning, sounds weird |
| 09:42.11 | KotCzarny | do not turn it on, let it charge till green |
| 09:42.13 | L29Ah | aha! /etc/asound.conf specifies pa output |
| 09:42.18 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 09:42.23 | L29Ah | i'll try killing it |
| 09:42.43 | KotCzarny | i wonder if that would make phoneapp output to alsa directly |
| 09:42.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:43.11 | Kabouik_ | I'll try another battery tonight KotCzarny, but my external charger said the battery was full this morning |
| 09:43.43 | KotCzarny | kabouik: battery could be dead anyway, how old is it? |
| 09:43.53 | Kabouik_ | And when I plug the N900 to my laptop here, it won't charge (no breathing led). The screen is turned on (very dim), and then it goes into reboot loop |
| 09:44.17 | L29Ah | still PA :/ |
| 09:44.25 | Kabouik_ | Well it's old KotCzarny! But it did a few cycles the past week with no issues (I've not been using my N900 since a long time) |
| 09:44.59 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: you can try my old oscp version that was compiled with alsa direclty |
| 09:45.28 | L29Ah | what do i press? |
| 09:45.51 | KotCzarny | i should look where i put it away |
| 09:46.03 | KotCzarny | or just recompile it apparently |
| 09:47.00 | Kabouik_ | Anyway I can force charge with just a usb cable? It just goes into reboot loop and I have no charging led, and no other batteries or external charger at work |
| 09:47.07 | Kabouik_ | Any way* |
| 09:47.59 | KotCzarny | Kabouik_: remove battery, wait 5s, insert it, connect charger and wait (without turning on) |
| 09:48.00 | Kabouik_ | I have Backupmenu installed, bit it complains about watchdog not found and then turns off (this N900 unit was bought used and I have not done a clean install, it seemed to be in a good shape software-side) |
| 09:48.11 | KotCzarny | if it gets to pulsing yellow, good |
| 09:48.46 | Kabouik_ | Nope |
| 09:48.47 | KotCzarny | and its good to have always reflash to factory image when getting used electronics |
| 09:48.52 | KotCzarny | wait ~30-60s |
| 09:49.03 | Kabouik_ | I guess the battery needs a minimal charge level to initialize charge mode |
| 09:49.20 | KotCzarny | someone said failsafe charging kicks in after 30s |
| 09:49.30 | Kabouik_ | Yes but it's already in reboot loop |
| 09:49.51 | KotCzarny | try to reflash then, assuming you dont have anything important on it |
| 09:50.25 | Kabouik_ | I'll try another battery tonight first, because I don't see what would have cause that. I've not installed anything yesterday, it just ran ouf of battery during a call |
| 09:51.22 | Kabouik_ | I thought there might be a 'force charge' mode in Backupmenu, but not sure, and anyway I can't start Backupmenu because of this watchdog not found |
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| 09:57.48 | L29Ah | n900 makes funky sounds when it's low on battery |
| 10:01.21 | KotCzarny | does it? |
| 10:01.46 | KotCzarny | l29ah: check if that one works https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/tmp/ |
| 10:02.04 | KotCzarny | recompiled to use alsa |
| 10:07.29 | L29Ah | ./oscp-n900-alsa --help |
| 10:07.29 | L29Ah | * Unrecognized option: --help |
| 10:07.29 | L29Ah | [daemonize enabled, disabling ncurses ui] |
| 10:07.31 | L29Ah | this sucks |
| 10:07.50 | KotCzarny | -h |
| 10:08.00 | KotCzarny | -d 0 to enable ncursesz |
| 10:08.12 | KotCzarny | killall oscp first tho |
| 10:08.54 | L29Ah | ncurses crashes |
| 10:08.55 | L29Ah | i did |
| 10:09.18 | KotCzarny | crashes as in segfault? |
| 10:09.25 | L29Ah | oscp-n900-alsa: simple.c:398: snd_mixer_selem_get_playback_volume: Assertion `elem' failed. |
| 10:09.33 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 10:09.34 | KotCzarny | h,, |
| 10:09.36 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 10:11.26 | KotCzarny | oh well, /me goes to find his n900 |
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| 10:50.56 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 10:51.17 | KotCzarny | i remember having working alsa version, now it hangs during card selection |
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| 11:04.28 | L29Ah | https://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns#Lysti_Format_Engine_Patterns_and_Commands sick stuff |
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| 11:05.37 | L29Ah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 re 720p vidyas |
| 11:06.08 | L29Ah | oh it's freemangordon (: |
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| 11:10.05 | L29Ah | stock player doesn't stop on unplug ;[ |
| 11:12.03 | KotCzarny | l29ah: check open media player |
| 11:12.21 | KotCzarny | it's stock player replacement |
| 11:15.19 | L29Ah | Resolving downloads.maemo.nokia.com... failed: Name or service not known. |
| 11:15.20 | L29Ah | mmkay |
| 11:15.32 | KotCzarny | nokia is no more, replace it with some mirror |
| 11:15.58 | L29Ah | i guess in need to repack those .deb's or smth |
| 11:16.02 | L29Ah | s/in/I/ |
| 11:16.11 | KotCzarny | no, you dont need to uninstall i think |
| 11:16.50 | L29Ah | huh |
| 11:17.01 | L29Ah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 i'm talking about these 1kb debs |
| 11:17.09 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 11:18.03 | KotCzarny | files are attached |
| 11:18.18 | KotCzarny | so why do you need nokia repos? |
| 11:18.21 | L29Ah | and they try to download some stuff when dpkg -i |
| 11:18.47 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 11:18.49 | KotCzarny | wut? |
| 11:19.12 | KotCzarny | ahm, maybe they have some install scripts |
| 11:19.55 | L29Ah | ye |
| 11:21.58 | L29Ah | nvm i've read the forum thread |
| 11:29.03 | KotCzarny | ran alsamixer |
| 11:29.09 | KotCzarny | so much stuff |
| 11:29.10 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 11:29.23 | bencoh | alsamixer on n900 ? |
| 11:29.28 | KotCzarny | sure, why not? |
| 11:29.51 | KotCzarny | alsa is a backend for pulseaudio anyway |
| 11:30.22 | bencoh | all I see is pulseaudio :) |
| 11:30.31 | bencoh | (alsa uses the PA backend by default here) |
| 11:31.00 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 11:31.54 | KotCzarny | i disabled /etc/asound.conf beforehand |
| 11:32.07 | KotCzarny | and kernel knows nothing about pulseaudio |
| 11:32.12 | KotCzarny | but alsa is working |
| 11:32.34 | KotCzarny | so you see alsa going to pulseaudio which goes to barebones alsa |
| 11:33.33 | bencoh | :)) |
| 11:33.40 | L29Ah | whoa adc hpf |
| 11:33.41 | bencoh | I know this is madness |
| 11:34.05 | L29Ah | why we need pa when hpf is done by the audio codec? :3 |
| 11:34.11 | KotCzarny | maybe its broken |
| 11:34.30 | bencoh | see xprotect |
| 11:34.40 | bencoh | and the few related PA modules |
| 11:34.49 | KotCzarny | what's a xprotect? |
| 11:35.05 | KotCzarny | google is unhelpful |
| 11:35.14 | bencoh | hmm, maybe it's not "xprotect" |
| 11:35.23 | bencoh | xprot* |
| 11:36.13 | bencoh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Audio/Q_and_A_RE-PA |
| 11:36.18 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91325 |
| 11:36.20 | KotCzarny | i found this one |
| 11:36.58 | bencoh | yeah |
| 11:38.09 | KotCzarny | but for headphones only using direct alsa is something to consider |
| 11:39.10 | L29Ah | i'd love to see any reports of actual damage |
| 11:39.22 | L29Ah | as i'm going to run plain alsa |
| 11:39.26 | KotCzarny | be the first to check it |
| 11:39.50 | L29Ah | i think i'm not first |
| 11:39.58 | L29Ah | considering ppl running their debians on n900 |
| 11:40.12 | bencoh | what I'd like to know is whether you get a noticeable quality difference |
| 11:40.17 | KotCzarny | but they go through emulated alsa |
| 11:40.23 | KotCzarny | which goes to pa |
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| 11:40.37 | KotCzarny | because they dont run full debian but chrooted one |
| 11:40.48 | L29Ah | there's no emulated alsa if they're chrooted or boot debian instead of maemo |
| 11:40.54 | KotCzarny | bencoh: you get back 30% of cpu |
| 11:40.57 | KotCzarny | for starters |
| 11:40.59 | L29Ah | as the emulation goes thru alsalib |
| 11:41.09 | KotCzarny | ie 100-150mA power back |
| 11:41.24 | bencoh | err, if you have some high-quality audio sample (and can actually hear the difference between highquality and garbage music) |
| 11:41.27 | L29Ah | mW i'd say |
| 11:41.37 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: most install prepared debian chroot, which might /etc/asound.conf predefined to use pa |
| 11:41.51 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: im talking about your results |
| 11:42.01 | KotCzarny | ah, right |
| 11:42.03 | KotCzarny | mW |
| 11:42.06 | KotCzarny | my bad |
| 11:43.11 | L29Ah | getting used switching fingertips to fingernails going from android phone to n900 |
| 11:46.58 | L29Ah | whoa 230mW on openmediaplayer on headphones |
| 11:47.56 | kerio | fingertip works well enough |
| 11:47.56 | KotCzarny | remember you played with power profiles |
| 11:48.04 | KotCzarny | set it back to 900 to have consistent results |
| 11:48.10 | kerio | dear lord |
| 11:48.15 | kerio | why do you need to overclock |
| 11:48.15 | KotCzarny | or redo all tests |
| 11:48.29 | L29Ah | ye i have it set at 900 max |
| 11:49.04 | KotCzarny | and that also answers your earlier question if dsp is needed |
| 11:49.19 | KotCzarny | still, 230 is close to 273 |
| 11:49.27 | bencoh | L29Ah: fingernails <3 |
| 11:49.35 | bencoh | (do use a screen protector though) |
| 11:49.49 | KotCzarny | +1 for screenprotector |
| 11:50.06 | bencoh | which reminds me ... I cant find any in EU on amazon |
| 11:50.14 | bencoh | out of stock afaict :( |
| 11:50.25 | KotCzarny | buy cheapest one and use advanced tool called scissors |
| 11:50.33 | KotCzarny | or sharp knife |
| 11:50.44 | L29Ah | i'd use a transparent household tape |
| 11:50.53 | bencoh | hmm |
| 11:50.58 | KotCzarny | tape would need glue residues |
| 11:51.03 | KotCzarny | s/need/leave/ |
| 11:51.21 | L29Ah | i have isopropanol to get rid of them |
| 11:51.22 | bencoh | well, modern phone screens are allegedly wider, but ... |
| 11:51.38 | L29Ah | tho it might not cover all the display :[ |
| 11:52.08 | L29Ah | switched to 500MHz max, got 229 |
| 11:52.31 | KotCzarny | l29ah: check oscp too |
| 11:52.34 | KotCzarny | with lower freq |
| 11:52.42 | L29Ah | k |
| 11:52.48 | KotCzarny | though i think it doesnt bump the freq over 250 on mp3s |
| 11:52.56 | KotCzarny | so max doesnt matter |
| 11:53.21 | KotCzarny | i remember on n800 using dsp ALWAYS bumped cpu to the max |
| 11:53.36 | KotCzarny | dont know about n900 |
| 11:54.20 | KotCzarny | as for not covering whole display, you mean 'faceplate' because display is standard 4" |
| 11:54.45 | L29Ah | i don't remember the tape size and i'm in a forest atm |
| 11:55.27 | L29Ah | 282mW@500MHz |
| 11:55.39 | KotCzarny | hehe, more than earlier 273? |
| 11:55.44 | KotCzarny | which was at 900 |
| 11:55.55 | bencoh | L29Ah: get away from irc and try and speak to the forest animals, then ... you're being rude to them ;p |
| 11:55.56 | L29Ah | doesn't seem to bump freq at all |
| 11:56.09 | L29Ah | and i have 250 at the lower end because ppl say phone stops working @125 |
| 11:56.21 | L29Ah | bencoh: they troll me |
| 11:56.24 | bencoh | 125mhz isn't a good idea |
| 11:56.25 | bencoh | haha |
| 11:56.31 | bencoh | I'm sure they dont like systemd |
| 11:56.41 | L29Ah | pulseaudio |
| 11:56.56 | bencoh | phone doesnt stop at 125mhz, but it's freaking slow until it jumps at max (with ondemand) |
| 11:57.21 | L29Ah | so should i put 125 as a min freq? |
| 11:57.26 | bencoh | definitely no |
| 11:57.27 | L29Ah | for ondemand |
| 11:57.34 | L29Ah | why? |
| 11:57.46 | bencoh | becase you'd stay at max most of the time |
| 11:58.01 | KotCzarny | no intermediate freqs? |
| 11:58.15 | L29Ah | huh |
| 11:58.18 | L29Ah | i don't get it |
| 11:58.21 | bencoh | and it would still feel slow when changing app if you were just reading (for instance) |
| 11:58.31 | bencoh | KotCzarny: not with ondemand, no |
| 11:58.50 | bencoh | not that I know of |
| 11:59.33 | L29Ah | okay i just set it and see myself :3 |
| 11:59.36 | KotCzarny | l29ah: it would jump between 125 and 800 |
| 11:59.57 | KotCzarny | and if 125 be too slow it would stay at 800 most of the time |
| 12:00.08 | L29Ah | somehow it doesn't go lower ;[ |
| 12:00.12 | L29Ah | KotCzarny: no |
| 12:00.26 | L29Ah | fire powertop and check out freq stats |
| 12:00.39 | KotCzarny | just cat /sys/something/curspeed |
| 12:00.52 | L29Ah | Nokia-N900:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_cur_freq |
| 12:00.52 | L29Ah | 250000 |
| 12:00.52 | L29Ah | Nokia-N900:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq# cat scaling_min_freq |
| 12:00.52 | L29Ah | 125000 |
| 12:00.59 | L29Ah | wtf it won't lower |
| 12:00.59 | bencoh | uname -a ? |
| 12:01.02 | bencoh | hmm iirc there's something preventing it from running at 125 in some case but I forgot which |
| 12:01.04 | KotCzarny | and available freqs? |
| 12:01.06 | L29Ah | 2.6.28.10-power53 |
| 12:01.17 | L29Ah | 1150000 1100000 1000000 950000 900000 850000 805000 720000 600000 550000 500000 250000 125000 |
| 12:03.47 | bencoh | L29Ah: have you changed the ondemand/ attributes ? |
| 12:04.11 | L29Ah | ondemand/avoid_frequencies aha |
| 12:06.52 | L29Ah | powertop says shit ;[ |
| 12:06.56 | L29Ah | kernel's too old i guess |
| 12:07.55 | L29Ah | music skips in oscp sometimes |
| 12:08.14 | KotCzarny | at 125? |
| 12:08.18 | L29Ah | ye |
| 12:08.27 | L29Ah | 285mW |
| 12:08.31 | KotCzarny | could be too much with pa |
| 12:08.41 | KotCzarny | hacking at pure alsa |
| 12:08.55 | bencoh | or it keeps jumping back and forth |
| 12:09.00 | bencoh | from min to max |
| 12:09.01 | L29Ah | ye top says cpu is 70% loaded |
| 12:09.15 | KotCzarny | could be interrupt starving too |
| 12:10.28 | KotCzarny | ao_alsa WARNING: Unable to open surround playback. Trying default device... |
| 12:10.29 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 12:10.33 | KotCzarny | the heck? |
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| 12:11.16 | L29Ah | no 5.1 sound for u |
| 12:12.01 | KotCzarny | i remember my 200mhz vortex86 machine skipped on some loads with 100hz kernel |
| 12:12.05 | KotCzarny | bumping to 300 fixed it |
| 12:12.38 | L29Ah | openmediaplayer is 232mW and doesn't skip |
| 12:13.34 | bencoh | decoding happens in dsp |
| 12:14.55 | L29Ah | https://zfh.so/hell/0a41c3ced24213f10198552ccc13ce3ce0ab7e01.jpg :3 |
| 12:15.19 | L29Ah | whoa 45mW idling @125MHz |
| 12:15.25 | L29Ah | i'm buying it |
| 12:15.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:15.57 | bencoh | idling ... screen off and locked ? |
| 12:16.17 | L29Ah | ye |
| 12:16.25 | bencoh | it shouldnt have any influence on it, unless you have some app periodically waking up the cpu |
| 12:16.37 | bencoh | (or widgets) |
| 12:16.44 | L29Ah | i have no widgets |
| 12:16.50 | L29Ah | but i have ssh over wifi |
| 12:16.56 | bencoh | oh, okay :) |
| 12:17.22 | bencoh | try without it |
| 12:21.51 | L29Ah | 34mW |
| 12:23.52 | KotCzarny | battery eye shows lowest usage at 8.6mA |
| 12:24.04 | KotCzarny | with 3.7V its ~31.8mW |
| 12:30.56 | KotCzarny | im too stupid to create working asound.conf |
| 12:32.59 | L29Ah | empty one should work |
| 12:33.58 | KotCzarny | yeah, works, but no sound |
| 12:35.57 | L29Ah | did you kill pa? |
| 12:36.00 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 12:36.03 | KotCzarny | good catch |
| 12:36.10 | KotCzarny | though it would say device busy |
| 12:36.29 | L29Ah | gentoo page says alsa works out of the box |
| 12:36.40 | KotCzarny | might be some mixer setting then |
| 12:36.46 | bencoh | KotCzarny: isnt alsa supposed to be able to mix between multiple sources ? |
| 12:36.54 | bencoh | why should you get "device busy" ? |
| 12:36.58 | KotCzarny | bencoh: if you enable software mixing |
| 12:37.03 | bencoh | oh, true |
| 12:37.07 | KotCzarny | otherwise n900 offers only 1 playback stream |
| 12:37.28 | KotCzarny | normal cards that do hw mixing offer multiple playback streams |
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| 12:42.08 | KotCzarny | aplay doesnt work neither |
| 12:42.22 | bencoh | -n |
| 12:42.35 | KotCzarny | Try `aplay --help' for more information. |
| 12:43.02 | L29Ah | https://bpaste.net/show/249470588b01 my amixer state |
| 12:43.11 | L29Ah | hm, wait |
| 12:43.49 | L29Ah | -bash: diff: command not found |
| 12:43.49 | L29Ah | ffs |
| 12:44.13 | L29Ah | aha |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | â° diff a b |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | 84,85c84,85 |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | < Front Left: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | < Front Right: Playback 0 [0%] [-99999.99dB] [on] |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | --- |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | > Front Left: Playback 117 [99%] [0.50dB] [on] |
| 12:44.25 | L29Ah | > Front Right: Playback 117 [99%] [0.50dB] [on] |
| 12:44.34 | L29Ah | on speakers |
| 12:44.59 | L29Ah | gets enabled when you run sound playing thing |
| 12:45.28 | KotCzarny | right, wonder i dont see it in alsamixer |
| 12:45.30 | L29Ah | https://bpaste.net/show/1f2c664cef4d on headphones |
| 12:46.06 | KotCzarny | but |
| 12:46.12 | KotCzarny | which one it is? |
| 12:46.19 | KotCzarny | please diff -u3 |
| 12:46.34 | KotCzarny | or even -u6 |
| 12:46.38 | L29Ah | second paste didn't help" |
| 12:46.39 | L29Ah | ? |
| 12:46.52 | L29Ah | it's against silence |
| 12:47.23 | KotCzarny | context cut a bit |
| 12:47.25 | L29Ah | https://bpaste.net/show/ade73c0ca8c8 u100 |
| 12:47.37 | KotCzarny | much better |
| 12:49.51 | KotCzarny | ok, i have sound now, even if i didnt change anything |
| 12:49.52 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 12:49.58 | L29Ah | :D |
| 12:50.16 | KotCzarny | argh, wrong binary |
| 12:50.24 | L29Ah | did it run pa? |
| 12:50.33 | KotCzarny | yeah, through pa |
| 12:50.48 | L29Ah | kill the damn thing |
| 12:50.48 | KotCzarny | reupped alsa enabled oscp |
| 12:50.58 | L29Ah | it must be messing w/ mixer |
| 12:51.01 | KotCzarny | https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/tmp/ |
| 12:51.02 | KotCzarny | here |
| 12:51.41 | KotCzarny | how do i stop it? |
| 12:52.24 | L29Ah | btw you can save and load mixer states w/ alsactl |
| 12:52.26 | L29Ah | killall? |
| 12:52.33 | KotCzarny | it gets restarted |
| 12:53.01 | L29Ah | hmm, it's owned by init |
| 12:53.15 | L29Ah | mv it :3 |
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| 12:55.41 | KotCzarny | and risk infinite loop? |
| 12:56.08 | L29Ah | ye why not? |
| 12:56.13 | KotCzarny | might be hardcoded into some binary |
| 12:56.48 | KotCzarny | i just hope it wont enter reboot loop after i disabled it |
| 12:56.49 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 12:57.48 | bencoh | KotCzarny: with "stop" |
| 12:57.55 | bencoh | (upstart stuff) |
| 12:58.02 | KotCzarny | bencoh magic word/path? |
| 12:58.08 | bencoh | "stop" |
| 12:58.14 | bencoh | sto<tab> ;) |
| 12:58.16 | KotCzarny | you mean stop pulseaudio ? |
| 12:58.21 | bencoh | probably |
| 12:58.47 | bencoh | find /etc/event* -name "*pulse*" to make sure ;) |
| 12:58.48 | KotCzarny | anyway, stopped with moving binary |
| 12:58.54 | bencoh | meh |
| 12:58.57 | bencoh | that's crude |
| 12:59.07 | L29Ah | no cpu hogs in top? |
| 12:59.29 | KotCzarny | apparently not |
| 13:00.02 | KotCzarny | but most likely if someone calls me it would fail |
| 13:00.37 | KotCzarny | will reboot after testing |
| 13:01.43 | L29Ah | just re`start` it |
| 13:05.03 | KotCzarny | interestingly headphone control maxes out at 100 (-5.40dB) |
| 13:06.01 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 13:06.07 | KotCzarny | switching Left DAC Mux produced sound |
| 13:08.15 | L29Ah | hmm, i've an idea |
| 13:08.27 | L29Ah | refreshes his asound.conf syntax knowledge |
| 13:09.14 | L29Ah | pcm.!default { |
| 13:09.14 | L29Ah | type plug |
| 13:09.14 | L29Ah | slave.pcm "hw:0,1" |
| 13:09.14 | L29Ah | } |
| 13:09.17 | L29Ah | try this |
| 13:09.24 | KotCzarny | what does plug mean? |
| 13:09.37 | L29Ah | means it just redirects stuff |
| 13:09.44 | L29Ah | to a slave |
| 13:09.52 | L29Ah | that is an existing alsa device |
| 13:10.06 | KotCzarny | anyway, grab oscp-n900-alsa and test the power pls |
| 13:10.29 | KotCzarny | im curious of the outcome |
| 13:10.32 | L29Ah | eh |
| 13:10.38 | L29Ah | did you get playback? |
| 13:10.42 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 13:10.44 | L29Ah | k |
| 13:10.49 | KotCzarny | after switching Left DAC Mux |
| 13:11.55 | KotCzarny | plug resulted in same behavior |
| 13:12.14 | KotCzarny | beautiful, 8.7% cpu usage |
| 13:12.16 | KotCzarny | and no PA |
| 13:12.26 | KotCzarny | and cpu is at 250mhz |
| 13:12.27 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 13:13.20 | KotCzarny | Left DAC Mux needs to be set to DAC_L2 to produce a sound (same for right) |
| 13:13.41 | KotCzarny | also, remember not to play any loud clips |
| 13:13.57 | KotCzarny | as d-class amp might produce freqs that break your poor speakers |
| 13:14.26 | L29Ah | same assertion thing |
| 13:14.46 | KotCzarny | whats your ~/.libao and /etc/asound.conf ? |
| 13:15.09 | L29Ah | default_driver=alsa |
| 13:15.15 | L29Ah | all commented out |
| 13:15.19 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 13:15.48 | KotCzarny | maybe ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 13:16.00 | L29Ah | no such thing |
| 13:23.34 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 13:26.46 | KotCzarny | also, you dont need to kill pulseaudio, as long system is not playing anything audio device is free |
| 13:27.22 | KotCzarny | are you sure your /etc/asound.conf is all commented out? |
| 13:27.36 | L29Ah | ye, and tried mving it, didn't change anything |
| 13:28.19 | KotCzarny | killall oscp ? |
| 13:29.06 | L29Ah | nope |
| 13:29.12 | L29Ah | and no oscp-related stuff in `ps aux |
| 13:29.13 | L29Ah | ` |
| 13:29.28 | KotCzarny | i remember that playing with alsa on n900 failed, then suddenly it started working |
| 13:29.37 | L29Ah | i run it as `TERM=xterm ./oscp-n900-alsa -d 0` |
| 13:30.10 | L29Ah | are you sure you've uploaded a fresh thing? |
| 13:30.17 | L29Ah | md5sum oscp-n900-alsa |
| 13:30.17 | L29Ah | d582f677a5daab728b74acc02a689566 oscp-n900-alsa |
| 13:30.20 | KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 1003 102 5290591 May 13 12:30 /opt/oscp/oscp |
| 13:30.27 | KotCzarny | d582f677a5daab728b74acc02a689566 /opt/oscp/oscp |
| 13:30.56 | KotCzarny | ah, right |
| 13:30.58 | KotCzarny | enable softvol |
| 13:31.03 | KotCzarny | -v 1 -V 90 |
| 13:33.05 | L29Ah | okay it works |
| 13:34.54 | L29Ah | headphones, max vol, 399mW |
| 13:34.59 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 13:35.59 | L29Ah | w8, it seems pa's max volume â alsa max volume |
| 13:36.03 | L29Ah | i'll go cmp |
| 13:37.29 | KotCzarny | screen off? |
| 13:39.13 | L29Ah | ye |
| 13:39.20 | L29Ah | wtf pa doesn't want to play anymore |
| 13:39.30 | KotCzarny | stop alsamixer and oscp |
| 13:39.46 | KotCzarny | also, change mixer values back |
| 13:41.06 | KotCzarny | anyway, packaged oscp doesnt use libao on n900, uses libpulseaudio |
| 13:41.27 | L29Ah | it doesn't work at all, the progressbar doesn't move |
| 13:41.55 | L29Ah | fixed by restarting pa |
| 13:41.57 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 13:42.06 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:43.19 | L29Ah | 444mW on pa |
| 13:43.27 | L29Ah | it seems like ncurses ui sucks |
| 13:43.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:43.32 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:43.46 | KotCzarny | btw. you can run remote on pc and control core on n900 |
| 13:44.23 | KotCzarny | added to todo to check why ncurses is so bad |
| 13:45.40 | L29Ah | retested w/ pulseaudio's mixer state: 341mW |
| 13:45.46 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 13:46.39 | L29Ah | maybe somehow related to 44.1â48 conversion |
| 13:47.36 | L29Ah | on the other hand, it doesn't skip @125MHz |
| 13:47.40 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 13:47.43 | KotCzarny | it shouldnt |
| 13:47.51 | KotCzarny | it uses only ~10% of cpu at 250 |
| 13:47.56 | L29Ah | CPU: 28.0% usr 8.3% sys 0.0% nice 63.0% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 0.5% softirq |
| 13:49.25 | L29Ah | eh, i suck |
| 13:49.29 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 13:49.33 | L29Ah | 341mW is great |
| 13:49.40 | L29Ah | retesting w/ gui |
| 13:51.04 | L29Ah | or, better, w/o gui ran thru gui |
| 13:51.23 | KotCzarny | you can start core with -d 1 switch and control/reconnect from pc |
| 13:51.32 | *** part/#maemo zGrr (~grr@185.13.106.93) |
| 13:51.44 | KotCzarny | or run two cores on diff. ports and start/stop them when needed |
| 13:53.27 | L29Ah | 195mW |
| 13:53.30 | L29Ah | :3 |
| 13:53.30 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 13:55.08 | L29Ah | also i'm not sure dmix is not running |
| 13:55.53 | L29Ah | and oscp doesn't seem to like being run two times |
| 13:56.05 | L29Ah | aplay: main:608: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 13:56.06 | L29Ah | aha, no dmix |
| 13:56.52 | KotCzarny | in stop state device should be freed |
| 13:56.58 | KotCzarny | though im not 100% sure |
| 14:00.25 | L29Ah | i must think out some multiplexing thing |
| 14:00.34 | L29Ah | to be able to wake myself with a phone call |
| 14:00.55 | KotCzarny | install dmix? |
| 14:01.15 | KotCzarny | then make pa use dmixed alsa? |
| 14:01.41 | bencoh | wtf |
| 14:02.28 | L29Ah | too lazy to compile it myself |
| 14:02.36 | L29Ah | will do this in gentoo ;] |
| 14:02.51 | KotCzarny | glibc incompability |
| 14:03.06 | KotCzarny | you can try grabbing debian-armel one |
| 14:03.17 | L29Ah | i'll try grabbing ofono thing |
| 14:03.43 | L29Ah | anyway dunno if i get to do it at all, first i'll play w/ fresh kernel and find a sd card to experiment on |
| 14:05.05 | bencoh | I think you just want to toss maemo away ;p |
| 14:05.13 | L29Ah | sure i want |
| 14:05.20 | L29Ah | but it's too good |
| 14:05.21 | bencoh | aww, poor us |
| 14:05.40 | L29Ah | so i do the mutually useful stuff first |
| 14:05.48 | bencoh | I think mostly everyone here thought of it at some point, but .... |
| 14:17.04 | KotCzarny | bencoh, maemo is nice, but has its annoyances |
| 14:17.16 | bencoh | the blobs |
| 14:17.36 | KotCzarny | that too, but i talk about media library based player and trackerd |
| 14:17.45 | KotCzarny | that's what i hate personally |
| 14:18.30 | KotCzarny | i shall make native xlib gui one day |
| 14:23.59 | bencoh | :)) |
| 14:26.23 | L29Ah | make it use the dsp first :] |
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| 14:26.46 | KotCzarny | that needs recent gcc :/ |
| 14:26.58 | KotCzarny | 4.2 is too old and available 4.6 is unstable |
| 14:27.03 | L29Ah | i don't see no problem |
| 14:27.06 | L29Ah | take 4.9 |
| 14:27.09 | L29Ah | it's stable |
| 14:27.10 | bencoh | there is 4.7 |
| 14:27.14 | KotCzarny | doesnt compile with eglibc2.5 |
| 14:27.19 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 14:27.21 | L29Ah | go gentoo |
| 14:27.27 | KotCzarny | bencoh, how do i install it in sb? |
| 14:27.34 | bencoh | there is a page for that in wiki |
| 14:27.47 | bencoh | it's mostly about thumb, but you can use it without thumb iirc |
| 14:27.55 | KotCzarny | and why broken 4.6 is in repos but not 4.7? |
| 14:28.36 | bencoh | because from what I've heard, properly adding a compiler/toolchain to scratchbox is a pain |
| 14:28.44 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 14:29.02 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt mind compiling it myself, but i've tried and it failed |
| 14:29.11 | bencoh | and nobody cares about on-device compiling, at least for the people contributing to repos :) |
| 14:29.31 | bencoh | so it wont go to extras/armel either |
| 14:29.41 | KotCzarny | no, sb uses repos |
| 14:29.53 | KotCzarny | and that's what i care about |
| 14:30.31 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 |
| 14:30.33 | KotCzarny | this one? |
| 14:30.36 | bencoh | yeah |
| 14:31.47 | KotCzarny | though it would only allow me to use neon asm for codecs |
| 14:31.59 | KotCzarny | still, would be quite a big improvement |
| 14:32.09 | bencoh | hm I think you need an up-to-date libgcc on device |
| 14:32.11 | bencoh | KotCzarny: no |
| 14:32.12 | L29Ah | why don't you make use of gstreamer? |
| 14:32.25 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: because not all codecs are supported |
| 14:32.31 | KotCzarny | also, not all file formats |
| 14:32.43 | bencoh | it gives better asm/neon intrinsics/optims for C code |
| 14:32.56 | KotCzarny | if you check what file formats supported by oscp |
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| 14:33.28 | bencoh | but intrisics are hardly efficient for audio/video codecs |
| 14:33.49 | KotCzarny | bencoh, i had to disable all neon asm in libav because 4.2 was too old |
| 14:34.01 | KotCzarny | and arm asm too |
| 14:34.13 | bencoh | what ? |
| 14:34.13 | KotCzarny | so it's quite pure c routines |
| 14:34.41 | KotCzarny | i have to pass --disable-asm to libav or it doesnt compile |
| 14:35.01 | KotCzarny | so you know, if 4.7 works out, oscp will be quite a lot faster |
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| 14:38.39 | bencoh | KotCzarny: which version of ffmpeg ? that's strange |
| 14:38.41 | L29Ah | why don't you make use of gstreamer? |
| 14:39.32 | bencoh | ffmpeg-0.5 (from extras .... yeah, it's freaking old) is explicitely build with --enable-neon |
| 14:39.35 | bencoh | built* |
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| 14:57.12 | KotCzarny | bencoh: not ffmpeg, libav |
| 14:57.32 | KotCzarny | ffmpeg is a parasite living on libav |
| 14:57.45 | KotCzarny | L29Ah: oscp -H |
| 14:57.49 | KotCzarny | that's why |
| 14:58.01 | bencoh | I strongly believe it is the other way around, and all this is FUD |
| 14:58.05 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 14:58.08 | bencoh | but I dont really want to feed this shitty troll |
| 14:58.18 | KotCzarny | the core devs that actually worked on things split |
| 14:58.26 | bencoh | I know the story |
| 14:58.42 | KotCzarny | kk |
| 14:58.53 | KotCzarny | i'm convinced by libav side of the story tho |
| 14:59.31 | bencoh | I also know niedermayer is still working on ffmpeg, btw |
| 14:59.41 | bencoh | (among quite a few others) |
| 14:59.51 | bencoh | anyway, enough said about that |
| 15:00.13 | KotCzarny | yeah, anyway, gcc 4.2 is too old to compile recent ffmpeg/libav asm |
| 15:00.25 | KotCzarny | ~nokia |
| 15:00.25 | infobot | nokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland. |
| 15:00.27 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:00.30 | bencoh | I'm quite surprised, but okay |
| 15:00.31 | KotCzarny | ~nokiarepos |
| 15:00.44 | KotCzarny | what was the magic word? |
| 15:00.47 | KotCzarny | ~repos |
| 15:00.53 | bencoh | what for ? |
| 15:00.57 | KotCzarny | nokia repos mirror |
| 15:01.06 | bencoh | I dont think there is one |
| 15:01.16 | KotCzarny | there is at least 2 |
| 15:01.31 | bencoh | I dont think there is a magic word* |
| 15:02.57 | KotCzarny | and which nokia mirrors do you use? |
| 15:05.18 | KotCzarny | l29ah: answer to fremantle1.3 not working: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1333227&postcount=44 |
| 15:05.49 | bencoh | KotCzarny: muarf.org |
| 15:06.40 | KotCzarny | mind pasting the lines? |
| 15:06.52 | bencoh | see TMO :) |
| 15:06.56 | KotCzarny | googling |
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| 15:09.07 | KotCzarny | should i use mr0 and ssu too? |
| 15:09.09 | KotCzarny | or just apps? |
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| 15:11.20 | newbieAlert | hey hi.. Suddenly i am not being able to visit tmo, it says my ip has been put in anti-spam list |
| 15:14.03 | KotCzarny | i hate debian, bencoh, mind pasting the lines? |
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| 15:24.39 | KotCzarny | E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries |
| 15:24.40 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 15:26.30 | bencoh | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=112 |
| 15:26.54 | KotCzarny | scratchbox |
| 15:26.57 | bencoh | oh |
| 15:26.59 | KotCzarny | ie. i cant use manager |
| 15:27.00 | bencoh | you dont need it |
| 15:27.09 | KotCzarny | Accept Maemo5 SDK EULA and copy the URL. Add nokia-binaries repository URL to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:27.12 | KotCzarny | http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 |
| 15:27.15 | KotCzarny | apparently i do |
| 15:27.21 | KotCzarny | unless i don't |
| 15:27.25 | bencoh | nokia-binaries is hosted on repository.maemo.org |
| 15:27.43 | bencoh | you dont need a nokia mirror :) |
| 15:27.52 | KotCzarny | maybe, but it says it cant find it |
| 15:28.14 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 15:28.14 | KotCzarny | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free |
| 15:28.14 | KotCzarny | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 15:28.14 | KotCzarny | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free |
| 15:28.21 | KotCzarny | that's what sb has |
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| 15:29.37 | bencoh | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/ token code is written there |
| 15:29.47 | KotCzarny | what's token code? |
| 15:29.48 | bencoh | add deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/<token-code> nokia-binaries |
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| 15:30.07 | KotCzarny | can i copy it from other sb target? |
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| 15:32.27 | KotCzarny | k, worked |
| 15:32.56 | KotCzarny | is that token identical for everyone? |
| 15:33.59 | bencoh | yes |
| 15:36.38 | KotCzarny | i wonder if i need cssu in sb |
| 15:37.00 | bencoh | no |
| 15:37.17 | bencoh | but you will have troubles with gcc-4.7 |
| 15:37.25 | KotCzarny | will i? |
| 15:37.26 | bencoh | because of libgcc iirc |
| 15:37.40 | bencoh | or something along that line |
| 15:37.44 | KotCzarny | first i want to check if it compiles |
| 15:37.55 | KotCzarny | then i would be hacking at libgcc |
| 15:38.42 | KotCzarny | hrm, cssu uses same libc or something incompatible with stock libc? |
| 15:38.53 | bencoh | ask android_808 on TMO how he's managed to build ffmpeg 2.6 |
| 15:39.10 | bencoh | dunno |
| 15:39.16 | KotCzarny | most likely he used newer gcc |
| 15:39.30 | KotCzarny | unless he is arm asm wizard |
| 15:39.40 | bencoh | libc should be compatible between stock and cssu |
| 15:48.09 | KotCzarny | eh |
| 15:51.33 | KotCzarny | libc too old |
| 15:51.34 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 15:51.58 | KotCzarny | egg and chicken |
| 15:55.39 | KotCzarny | The problem is connected to glibc-2.5, after upgrading to glibc-2.6 it went away. The bug is now fixed since gcc-4.3 was updated to depend on glibc-2.6. |
| 15:55.40 | KotCzarny | fun |
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| 15:58.48 | KotCzarny | -fgnu89-inline to the rescue! |
| 16:00.24 | KotCzarny | w00t, it compiled |
| 16:01.01 | KotCzarny | i wonder if i can compile newer gcc that way |
| 16:01.10 | KotCzarny | i think the error was similar |
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| 16:08.26 | KotCzarny | hmm, not much difference |
| 16:11.26 | kerio | mh, what's the most recent debian that can be used with 2.6.28? |
| 16:11.37 | kerio | at some point there's got to be glibc incompatibilities |
| 16:12.18 | KotCzarny | oh, lol, apparently my kernel is using 1150mhz |
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| 16:16.50 | KotCzarny | or not |
| 16:17.13 | KotCzarny | even if its set as max, time_in_state shows that max used is 600 |
| 16:18.16 | KotCzarny | right, pmconfig sets max as 600 |
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| 16:22.30 | KotCzarny | do i need to reboot after changing pmconfig or there is some command ? |
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| 16:34.35 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 16:34.43 | KotCzarny | smartreflex seriously lowered voltage |
| 16:34.48 | KotCzarny | cool |
| 16:34.57 | bencoh | smartreflex is cool |
| 16:35.12 | KotCzarny | what does sr_vdd1_dsp_boost do? |
| 16:35.40 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1157313&postcount=80 |
| 16:35.43 | KotCzarny | nvm, found it |
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| 16:36.03 | kerio | whoops |
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| 16:40.37 | KotCzarny | 1 is at 23 and 2 at 30 |
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| 16:53.10 | KotCzarny | hmm, fremantle1.2, 401 auth required? |
| 16:53.14 | KotCzarny | (on muarf.org) |
| 16:54.32 | bencoh | for ovi, yes |
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| 16:57.52 | kerio | what's muarf.org |
| 16:57.56 | kerio | and why does it use ssh-dss |
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| 17:14.49 | KotCzarny | wtf |
| 17:15.05 | KotCzarny | app manager forces me to create backup on install of ssu updates |
| 17:15.14 | KotCzarny | yet its not proceeding with updates |
| 17:15.43 | L29Ah | screw app manager |
| 17:15.58 | L29Ah | use fapman, the manly package mangler |
| 17:15.59 | L29Ah | ! |
| 17:16.10 | KotCzarny | fapman is a timebomb |
| 17:16.19 | L29Ah | how so? |
| 17:16.24 | KotCzarny | ~fapman |
| 17:16.24 | infobot | somebody said fapman was Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 17:16.47 | L29Ah | sounds fun |
| 17:16.49 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 17:16.51 | L29Ah | ~hamvsfam |
| 17:16.51 | infobot | hamvsfam is, like, https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 17:16.53 | KotCzarny | debian autoremove is evil |
| 17:17.00 | L29Ah | i guess i just go apt-get |
| 17:17.23 | L29Ah | ~speedyHAM |
| 17:17.23 | infobot | hmm... speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 17:18.28 | KotCzarny | yeah, apt for me |
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| 17:20.27 | L29Ah | no speedyham in repos |
| 17:20.36 | KotCzarny | you need to go to cssu |
| 17:20.48 | KotCzarny | ie. upgrade to cssu version |
| 17:21.00 | L29Ah | wat |
| 17:21.11 | KotCzarny | ~cssu |
| 17:21.11 | infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) |
| 17:22.48 | bencoh | in -testing |
| 17:23.01 | KotCzarny | will it work on stock? |
| 17:23.20 | bencoh | dunno |
| 17:24.58 | L29Ah | i have the community repos on but no speedyham |
| 17:25.08 | KotCzarny | extras-testing |
| 17:25.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Use the link above? |
| 17:25.26 | L29Ah | i did |
| 17:25.35 | L29Ah | extras-testing enabled as well |
| 17:25.39 | sixwheeledbeast | not extras-testing! CSSU-Testing |
| 17:25.44 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 17:25.57 | L29Ah | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 17:25.57 | L29Ah | in my config |
| 17:26.14 | KotCzarny | anyway, apt-get updated kernel-power, reboot, here i come! |
| 17:26.31 | L29Ah | huh? |
| 17:26.46 | KotCzarny | always nervous when firmware upgrading |
| 17:28.09 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 17:28.17 | KotCzarny | booting longer than usual |
| 17:29.15 | KotCzarny | 5 dots blinking, which boot stage is that? |
| 17:31.52 | L29Ah | wiki for kernel-power doesn't specify neither patches that are on nor the source code ;[ |
| 17:33.54 | KotCzarny | drat, its not booting |
| 17:40.18 | KotCzarny | wth |
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| 17:42.52 | KotCzarny | ok, where is flasher-3.5 for linux located? |
| 17:42.55 | KotCzarny | ~flasher |
| 17:42.55 | infobot | [flasher] at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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| 17:46.43 | L29Ah | why flasher, there's 0xFFFF |
| 17:46.48 | KotCzarny | to boot it |
| 17:46.56 | KotCzarny | right now it's stuck on 5dots |
| 17:47.07 | L29Ah | KotCzarny â likes to run trojans on his box |
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| 17:51.11 | KotCzarny | rescueos booted |
| 17:51.14 | KotCzarny | what now, hrm |
| 17:54.48 | L29Ah | ControlPersist is evil |
| 17:55.00 | L29Ah | it takes a lot of time for ssh to learn the connection is dead |
| 17:55.13 | L29Ah | and i can't easily kill just the one i want killed |
| 17:55.54 | KotCzarny | you know ~. ssh kill sequence? |
| 17:56.24 | L29Ah | yep |
| 17:56.25 | KotCzarny | and there is a ssh option to ping server and disconnect on x failures |
| 17:56.30 | L29Ah | and it doesn't kill the master |
| 17:56.44 | L29Ah | yep and it sucks when i just suspend for a short time |
| 18:00.28 | bencoh | suspending shouldnt kill the tcp session |
| 18:02.20 | L29Ah | yep but we're talking killing on keep-alive ping failure |
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| 18:24.53 | KotCzarny | l29ah: but you want two contradicting features |
| 18:25.10 | KotCzarny | one to detect broken session, second to keep alive even for long sleep durations |
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| 18:25.58 | KotCzarny | also, ping is client feature, not server one, so if you suspend, it should work still |
| 18:27.37 | KotCzarny | anyway, any idea how to figure out why it's not booting? |
| 18:27.53 | KotCzarny | as there is no syslog etc |
| 18:28.19 | KotCzarny | i've updated kernel-power via apt-get then rebooted |
| 18:32.47 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: try boot the vanilla kernel via flasher |
| 18:32.58 | KotCzarny | how do i do that? |
| 18:33.54 | Sicelo | um.. haven't played with flasher for over a year now.. but if you `flasher-3.5 -h` it should show you the argument .. -l i think |
| 18:34.17 | Sicelo | "load" |
| 18:34.38 | KotCzarny | yeah, but it still needs file on pc |
| 18:34.52 | KotCzarny | thought it can load something already on device |
| 18:35.19 | Sicelo | download the vanilla kernel to pc? the deb is on the repos |
| 18:36.02 | Sicelo | maybe i don't understand what you're saying |
| 18:41.33 | KotCzarny | and where is the initrd for stock kernel? |
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| 18:43.22 | Sicelo | hmm, i was suggesting for you to attempt to boot Maemo with the stock kernel |
| 18:43.40 | KotCzarny | yes, but stock kernel need initrd (afair) |
| 18:43.47 | Sicelo | no |
| 18:43.54 | KotCzarny | ok, gonna try |
| 18:44.51 | KotCzarny | stuck at 'nokia' |
| 18:45.30 | KotCzarny | and rebooted apparently |
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| 18:46.18 | Sicelo | hmm .. maybe you no longer have 'stock' modules in your system. by the way, you got in this by just installing power kernel? |
| 18:46.21 | KotCzarny | ah, right wrong command line |
| 18:46.26 | Sicelo | ah, ok |
| 18:46.29 | KotCzarny | can someone paste /proc/cmdline ? |
| 18:46.53 | Sicelo | flasher takes care of that .. |
| 18:47.07 | Sicelo | or are you booting some other OS? |
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| 19:05.41 | user | anyone have a rough idea when n900 neo will be released |
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| 19:05.52 | Sicelo | no one :) |
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| 19:06.16 | sno__ | I bought two brand new n900's today |
| 19:06.25 | sno__ | ready to install the boards :( |
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| 19:06.47 | L29Ah | nice "excess flood" flood |
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| 19:07.43 | sno__ | are we talking months years? |
| 19:07.47 | sno__ | decades??? :( |
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| 19:08.14 | sno__ | I need a !@#% You NSA phone |
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| 19:14.28 | KotCzarny | l29ah: thx, sicelo: it hung at nokia screen without cmdline and i had to take out the battery |
| 19:15.03 | Sicelo | brand new N900 can't exist, can they? |
| 19:15.10 | KotCzarny | can |
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| 19:15.13 | KotCzarny | shop stock |
| 19:15.14 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 19:15.34 | Sicelo | would be very skeptical |
| 19:15.51 | Sicelo | so it booted fine with cmdline? |
| 19:15.55 | KotCzarny | dont know yet |
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| 19:16.09 | KotCzarny | as a sidenote, it doesnt even turn on without battery |
| 19:16.11 | sno__ | sicelo its one from where i work we never sold it |
| 19:16.18 | sno__ | and it was in storage all this time |
| 19:16.21 | sno__ | want to see a picture? |
| 19:16.22 | sno__ | :) |
| 19:16.26 | Sicelo | lol, of course it shouldn't turn on without battery |
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| 19:17.05 | KotCzarny | someone claimed it booted without battery, just turning off after bme start |
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| 19:17.41 | Sicelo | heh |
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| 19:18.01 | Sicelo | i can only confirm it is possible to hotswap batteries |
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| 19:18.22 | KotCzarny | hrm, still stuck at 5dots |
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| 19:19.15 | KotCzarny | must be some rc breakage |
| 19:19.21 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:19.31 | Sicelo | rc means? |
| 19:19.40 | KotCzarny | system startup scripts |
| 19:19.46 | Sicelo | ah |
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| 19:20.15 | Sicelo | enable fbcon |
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| 19:20.20 | KotCzarny | how? |
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| 19:20.51 | Sicelo | use rescueos, mount maemo rootfs |
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| 19:22.05 | KotCzarny | that's assuming you have framebuffer console compiled into kernel |
| 19:22.41 | Sicelo | there's a 2.6.28 with fb compiled ... may also be in repos .. |
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| 19:23.08 | Sicelo | and all KP have that.. so can also just try with the KP you were installing |
| 19:23.16 | KotCzarny | k |
| 19:23.21 | KotCzarny | now, how do i enable it? |
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| 19:25.57 | Sicelo | let me check on my N900 where i had it |
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| 19:30.07 | Sicelo | lol, can't really find it now ;) |
| 19:30.15 | Sicelo | in the meantime, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37420 |
| 19:30.20 | Sicelo | useful stuff |
| 19:30.25 | KotCzarny | what i love about linux is it's verbosity, what i hate about all that cute-fluff is hiding info from users |
| 19:31.06 | L29Ah | dmesg is obscene! |
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| 19:31.19 | KotCzarny | sure, as long you can get to shell |
| 19:32.02 | Sicelo | Open /sbin/preinit |
| 19:32.02 | Sicelo | Go to the init_system() function. |
| 19:32.03 | Sicelo | above of the "}" insert: modprobe fbcon. |
| 19:32.23 | Sicelo | that's from Open /sbin/preinit |
| 19:32.24 | Sicelo | Go to the init_system() function. |
| 19:32.41 | Sicelo | that's from http://n900.quitesimple.org/crypto/encrypted_home/README ... rescueos guy |
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| 19:33.35 | KotCzarny | enabled r&d, printed some info on nokia screen then went to 5dots |
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| 19:34.24 | Sicelo | try fbcon. if that don't help, then you're fuckt.. you'll have to guess where the problem could be |
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| 19:35.01 | KotCzarny | i think i have to disable that 5dots animation too |
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| 19:35.38 | Sicelo | i don't remember that it can be disabled easily.. might be wrong |
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| 19:36.11 | KotCzarny | gonna fix rescueos initrd a bit |
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| 19:36.18 | KotCzarny | but that tomorrow |
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| 19:36.51 | KotCzarny | one thing that's critically missing is tab key |
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| 19:37.28 | L29Ah | poke me when you find out how to screw the dots thing :] |
| 19:37.40 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:37.42 | KotCzarny | will do |
| 19:38.42 | Sicelo | tmo mentions it's easy, via /etc/init.d/fb-progress.sh |
| 19:38.48 | Sicelo | i've never tried that myself |
| 19:39.24 | sno__ | http://i57.tinypic.com/zuqq1l.jpg my n900 |
| 19:39.25 | sno__ | :/ |
| 19:39.31 | sno__ | mint |
| 19:40.08 | KotCzarny | for fucks sake, how to exit vi?! |
| 19:40.13 | KotCzarny | no escape key |
| 19:40.15 | L29Ah | i wonder what's the `act dead` feature for |
| 19:40.15 | sno__ | :!q |
| 19:40.21 | L29Ah | hehe |
| 19:40.26 | KotCzarny | without esc key |
| 19:40.31 | L29Ah | :!q |
| 19:40.35 | sno__ | KotCzarny, :!q |
| 19:40.45 | KotCzarny | im in edit mode |
| 19:40.50 | sno__ | first press escape |
| 19:40.53 | sno__ | then try |
| 19:40.56 | KotCzarny | #maemo> without esc key |
| 19:41.00 | L29Ah | ^[ |
| 19:41.03 | sno__ | ;h :( |
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| 19:41.16 | KotCzarny | l29ah: no [ key on kb |
| 19:41.24 | sno__ | paste in toe ascii control for escape |
| 19:41.24 | KotCzarny | so cant press ctrl-[ |
| 19:41.30 | sno__ | in the* |
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| 19:41.40 | L29Ah | you're screwed |
| 19:41.43 | KotCzarny | a bit |
| 19:42.02 | L29Ah | hmm |
| 19:42.06 | Sicelo | act_dead is something to do with the state when the N900 is half-on.. when charging with the device switched off. as you know, the software must be 'up' to an extent |
| 19:42.06 | L29Ah | ^C works in vim, try it |
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| 19:42.42 | Sicelo | i could be confusing act_dead with some other state however |
| 19:42.58 | L29Ah | nah sounds adequate |
| 19:43.01 | KotCzarny | ok, shift-ctrl-, somehow exited edit mode |
| 19:43.10 | KotCzarny | now how to save file and quit? |
| 19:43.18 | Sicelo | ZZ |
| 19:43.33 | Sicelo | quickest way, if you know you typed everything correction |
| 19:43.34 | KotCzarny | 'ZZ' is not implemented |
| 19:43.38 | Sicelo | um |
| 19:43.39 | L29Ah | :wq |
| 19:43.45 | Sicelo | yeah |
| 19:43.47 | KotCzarny | thanks |
| 19:43.50 | KotCzarny | phew |
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| 19:44.00 | KotCzarny | it's like escaping from dungeon monster |
| 19:44.09 | KotCzarny | now, to disable boot anim |
| 19:45.18 | Sicelo | sno__: how much did it cost? |
| 19:45.48 | sno__ | its from work I just too it since its unsellable |
| 19:45.52 | sno__ | took* |
| 19:46.04 | sno__ | they're old phones not |
| 19:46.04 | L29Ah | unsellable? huh? |
| 19:46.08 | sno__ | nobody wants to buy them here |
| 19:46.21 | sno__ | its all about these nsa spy phones not |
| 19:46.24 | sno__ | er iphone |
| 19:46.53 | sno__ | not = now |
| 19:47.07 | sno__ | we have a few of them lying around |
| 19:47.57 | sno__ | I haven't even seen a working prototype for neo 900 so who knows how this will pan out |
| 19:48.52 | sno__ | I wish it to be true and that one comes out soon but I won't hold my breath |
| 19:49.21 | KotCzarny | fricking 5dots |
| 19:49.32 | KotCzarny | disabled them but still showing |
| 19:49.33 | L29Ah | do you have extra k� |
| 19:49.51 | sno__ | hmm? |
| 19:50.34 | sno__ | I have access to about 8 of them and I can take them all for nothing |
| 19:50.44 | sno__ | since we don't sell phones much anymore only repair them |
| 19:50.50 | sno__ | we repair iphones |
| 19:50.52 | L29Ah | i mean neo900 thing |
| 19:51.27 | sno__ | neo900 does it exist? |
| 19:51.34 | L29Ah | no |
| 19:51.36 | sno__ | i want one |
| 19:51.38 | sno__ | take my money |
| 19:51.47 | bencoh | haha |
| 19:51.51 | bencoh | sno__: /j #neo900 :) |
| 19:51.57 | bencoh | project's still alive |
| 19:52.05 | bencoh | but they havent released/delivered yet |
| 19:53.57 | KotCzarny | sicelo, got fb runnig, but how do i safely disable that boot anim? |
| 19:55.10 | bencoh | which one ? |
| 19:55.17 | bencoh | the video "handshake" ? |
| 19:55.30 | KotCzarny | 5dots |
| 19:55.38 | bencoh | dunno |
| 19:55.40 | KotCzarny | i have disable handshake long time ago |
| 19:55.44 | KotCzarny | *disabled |
| 19:57.25 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:57.37 | KotCzarny | r&d says 'no initrd \o/' |
| 19:59.27 | KotCzarny | backing up 28GB will be pita |
| 20:00.02 | Sicelo | why would you back that up? you can flash rootfs alone iirc |
| 20:00.29 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe you can remove 5 dots, I have never heard of anyone being able to do so of the people that ask. |
| 20:00.43 | KotCzarny | O.o |
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| 20:01.02 | KotCzarny | those 5dots are overriding fbconsole |
| 20:01.24 | Sicelo | yeah .. that's why i eventually disabled fbcon anyway :) |
| 20:01.52 | KotCzarny | sicelo, but rootfs mounts ok in rescueos |
| 20:02.32 | Sicelo | if you're careful, play with that /etc/init.d/fb-progress.sh for the 5 dots business, although it might not be much help itself |
| 20:04.36 | bencoh | hmm |
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| 20:06.30 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89687 |
| 20:06.37 | KotCzarny | pretty interesting |
| 20:07.04 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 20:07.05 | infobot | see boot-process |
| 20:07.18 | sixwheeledbeast | er |
| 20:07.33 | bencoh | infobot: thx, that was ... yeah, really useful |
| 20:07.50 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys #maemo boot |
| 20:08.01 | L29Ah | ~test |
| 20:08.01 | infobot | somebody said test was not funny |
| 20:08.11 | L29Ah | :O |
| 20:08.22 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 20:08.22 | infobot | see boot-process |
| 20:08.28 | bencoh | ~bootloop |
| 20:08.28 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 20:08.29 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm |
| 20:09.03 | bencoh | looks like we've got a pointer dereference loop ;p |
| 20:09.11 | sixwheeledbeast | no, boot-process is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 |
| 20:09.28 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: no, boot-process is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 |
| 20:09.28 | infobot | okay, sixwheeledbeast |
| 20:09.32 | bencoh | ~boot-process |
| 20:09.32 | infobot | see boot-process |
| 20:09.33 | sixwheeledbeast | ~slap |
| 20:09.33 | infobot | ACTION thinks sixwheeledbeast should be slapped |
| 20:09.45 | bencoh | infobot: meh |
| 20:09.45 | infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 20:09.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 20:09.46 | infobot | see boot-process |
| 20:09.53 | sixwheeledbeast | grrrrrrr |
| 20:09.55 | bencoh | srsly :D |
| 20:10.27 | sixwheeledbeast | infobot: no, #maemo boot-process is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 |
| 20:10.27 | infobot | sixwheeledbeast: okay |
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| 20:10.37 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 20:10.37 | infobot | from memory, boot-process is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87959 |
| 20:10.39 | bencoh | Doc<tab><tab><grrr>: knock some sense into your child bot |
| 20:10.52 | bencoh | \o/ |
| 20:10.57 | sixwheeledbeast | channel issue |
| 20:11.12 | KotCzarny | swb: tyvm |
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| 20:11.28 | KotCzarny | but sleepy time for me, gotta fight tomorrow |
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| 20:11.56 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: np |
| 20:16.05 | KotCzarny | Matchbox is started to display the 5 dots |
| 20:16.27 | bencoh | which means you're already in X11 |
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| 20:16.40 | KotCzarny | yes, that's why i need to debug why it's not booting |
| 20:16.51 | KotCzarny | anyway, sleepy time |
| 20:16.54 | bencoh | I wonder why fmrx is started in ACTDEAD |
| 20:17.36 | bencoh | n900 cant act as a radio alarm clock ... right ? :] |
| 20:17.43 | bencoh | I mean, not if it's off (?) |
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| 20:39.12 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: (exit vi) :q! |
| 20:39.59 | bencoh | freemangordon: the issue was (howto) esc in fbcon (rescueOS I guess) |
| 20:40.32 | bencoh | (with no esc key) |
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| 20:45.06 | freemangordon | oh |
| 20:46.13 | freemangordon | bencoh: BTW... |
| 20:46.31 | freemangordon | look at the last 6-7 commits here https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/commits/master |
| 20:46.45 | bencoh | yay |
| 20:46.55 | freemangordon | then tell me again how bad Qt is :) |
| 20:47.13 | freemangordon | if you still feel like :P |
| 20:47.37 | freemangordon | no, it is not the car, but the device behind the wheel :) |
| 20:49.30 | bencoh | I still dont like the wheel ;) |
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| 20:50.33 | bencoh | but ... yeah it's much better :) |
| 20:55.32 | freemangordon | I meant the steering wheel, if it was not clear |
| 20:55.54 | bencoh | it was (clear) |
| 20:56.44 | freemangordon | anyway, I still prefer Qt over GTK. mind you, I prefer C over C++ :). But I guess it is a matter of preference. |
| 20:58.07 | bencoh | the part I dont like about Qt mostly related to C++ to be honest |
| 20:58.12 | bencoh | is* |
| 20:59.32 | freemangordon | bencoh: well, C++ is not *that* bad |
| 20:59.36 | freemangordon | imo |
| 20:59.53 | freemangordon | not to say it is waaay better then the alternatives |
| 21:00.13 | freemangordon | shit that has GC and such |
| 21:01.15 | freemangordon | there are times C++ allows you to make better SW than C |
| 21:01.33 | freemangordon | not most of the times but still |
| 21:03.19 | freemangordon | however, if I had looked at adeclock sources by the time he (and not only) to be included in CSSU, I would have done everything I can to prevent it entering CSSU in this form |
| 21:03.38 | freemangordon | s/to/wanted to |
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| 21:03.58 | freemangordon | wont' make that mistake again |
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| 21:05.42 | bencoh | :-) |
| 21:06.29 | bencoh | the old/current version looks like it defeats every C++/qt purpose |
| 21:06.37 | bencoh | feels like reading bad gtk code, but in C++ |
| 21:06.52 | L29Ah | ⥠shit w/ GC |
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| 21:07.27 | L29Ah | proper memory management of a complex app is quite funky |
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| 21:07.55 | freemangordon | L29Ah: yeah, your math implies it :P |
| 21:08.02 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 21:08.32 | freemangordon | bencoh: no, really, I've never seen such a bad code. honestly. |
| 21:09.15 | freemangordon | even the php code produced by our office assistant looks better most of the times |
| 21:09.20 | bencoh | eww |
| 21:09.26 | bencoh | that's almost insulting :D |
| 21:09.29 | freemangordon | but she is not programmer, after all |
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| 21:10.00 | freemangordon | sorry if someone feels insulted, but... that is the truth as I see it |
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| 21:10.31 | bencoh | I dont :) |
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| 21:10.55 | freemangordon | in every damn file we have a copy of those ~40 lines https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/commit/37cf2aaeefd05e41c8c6211697f43cccf07433d8#diff-1b0d45f41668aa21495babdc75b80923L16 |
| 21:10.58 | L29Ah | i do! |
| 21:11.00 | freemangordon | translation stuff |
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| 21:11.07 | L29Ah | meet you in court |
| 21:11.08 | Sicelo | heh, at least the coder seems to have mentioned that the code was horibble |
| 21:11.17 | freemangordon | Sicelo: whare? |
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| 21:11.21 | freemangordon | *where |
| 21:11.34 | Sicelo | there's a link sixwheeledbeast gave a few days ago.. |
| 21:11.36 | bencoh | oO |
| 21:11.42 | freemangordon | could you share it? |
| 21:12.12 | freemangordon | which coder? ade? as he is not the one to blame actually |
| 21:12.14 | sixwheeledbeast | er, I forget now, but IIRC I highlighted you. |
| 21:12.17 | Sicelo | when was the first day that you the bad code was 'exposed'? then we can look in those logs |
| 21:12.25 | Sicelo | ah, sixwheeledbeast is here :) |
| 21:12.29 | L29Ah | what's clock-ui? |
| 21:12.33 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 21:12.57 | L29Ah | hides |
| 21:12.58 | sixwheeledbeast | ade explained he was not happy with the code and wished it to be looked over. |
| 21:13.00 | freemangordon | hmm, can't remember, some 2 weeks ago |
| 21:13.01 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: here ? |
| 21:13.10 | Sicelo | less than 2 weeks :) |
| 21:13.11 | bencoh | oh, 2w ago, dont have that in backlog |
| 21:13.16 | freemangordon | L29Ah: no need |
| 21:13.20 | sixwheeledbeast | ~logs |
| 21:13.21 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 21:13.27 | L29Ah | ~clock-ui |
| 21:13.55 | bencoh | right, we have logs |
| 21:13.58 | sixwheeledbeast | L29Ah: I doubt that will work... |
| 21:14.25 | freemangordon | anyway, noone takes you seriously :). Though you'll have problems with kerio, as he is our troll on duty for the last...how much? 3 years? |
| 21:14.30 | L29Ah | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.30 | infobot | [test] not funny |
| 21:14.42 | kerio | u fucking wot m8 |
| 21:14.49 | freemangordon | see :) |
| 21:14.57 | bencoh | :)) |
| 21:15.24 | L29Ah | > Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 21:15.24 | L29Ah | ;[ |
| 21:15.40 | kerio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.46 | kerio | i hope there was a space |
| 21:15.49 | bencoh | L29Ah: it's like with bash history |
| 21:15.52 | kerio | i definetely inserted a space |
| 21:15.59 | L29Ah | my " ~test" was logged |
| 21:16.26 | L29Ah | did it contain a space? |
| 21:16.33 | bencoh | it did |
| 21:16.58 | bencoh | not in logs though ... funny |
| 21:17.51 | freemangordon | kerio: well, what I saw inserted in IRC is not space, but penis. Never thought you can do that with IRC. |
| 21:18.11 | kerio | it's new in IRCv3 |
| 21:18.57 | freemangordon | kerio: you'd better take care of him, a man never knows |
| 21:20.24 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: the link on IRC was http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1385196&postcount=452 BTW |
| 21:20.49 | sixwheeledbeast | I found it again, not via the logs; but internal memory ;) |
| 21:21.27 | freemangordon | 10x |
| 21:21.37 | freemangordon | as I said, it is not ade to blame |
| 21:21.51 | freemangordon | but we lazy CSSU guys |
| 21:22.19 | bencoh | sounds like he had a rough time |
| 21:24.04 | freemangordon | BTW, after spending ~2weeks (and expecting to spend ~3 more) on that code, I'll never touch any SW made by cecipepez (or whatever was this guy's nick) with a 10m long pole. sorry if someone feels offended, but... |
| 21:24.41 | Sicelo | :D |
| 21:24.49 | freemangordon | bencoh: yeah, the reasong being adeclock inclusion in CSSU took too much time |
| 21:24.57 | freemangordon | *reason |
| 21:25.09 | Sicelo | whatsapp users are grateful to cepiperez, generally |
| 21:25.37 | freemangordon | good for them, and good for me not using that shit (whatsapp) |
| 21:25.48 | freemangordon | *for not |
| 21:26.27 | freemangordon | feels his typing skills degrading as he is typing :) |
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| 21:31.39 | bencoh | why whatsapp ? is he the original author of yappari ? |
| 21:32.17 | bencoh | oh right |
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| 21:34.47 | Sicelo | no, but he helped with certain parts of the code, especially during protocol changes |
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| 22:25.50 | sixwheeledbeast | hence my switch from filebox to hamsterfiler years ago. |
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| 22:27.16 | sixwheeledbeast | I am no coder but looking at the source and you can see what's going on. props to gidzzz for nice looking code I can understand. |
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| 22:28.41 | freemangordon | wait, what? doc's karma is higher than mine?!? |
| 22:29.03 | freemangordon | hmm... I'll look into that :D |
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| 22:31.11 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: you don;t need to be a coder to get that copying the same code all over the place doesn't make much sense |
| 22:33.08 | freemangordon | but anyway, I took over it, so you may expect some improvement :). so far the binary is rediced to ~480k from 620k. and there is still lots of work to be done |
| 22:33.59 | freemangordon | I expect the final app to be ~250k and startup time to be reduced <.5 seconds, when using smoke and mirrors |
| 22:34.16 | freemangordon | and ~1.5s if not |
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| 22:35.26 | freemangordon | (smoke and mirrors) the stock app gets preloaded like modest, phone app, etc |
| 22:35.55 | freemangordon | I am still undecided if we should have it like that |
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| 23:25.03 | bencoh | hamsterfiler is pure love anyway |
| 23:25.13 | bencoh | nice, lean, fast |
| 23:25.52 | bencoh | not that I really use a graphical file manager, but ... it's really excellent at what it does |
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| 23:39.54 | bencoh | KotCzarny: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95479 :] |
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