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07:33.20princefakhananybody Indian here? I want a battery for my baby.
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09:18.29L29Ahi've bought a n900 (yay!)
09:18.43bencohyay! :)
09:18.49L29Ahwondering why doesn't it want to charge my battery
09:18.59L29Ah0 CHGS  Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging.
09:19.05princefakhanwow! cool
09:19.32L29Ahit used to, but then i've soldered some two 18650s and it stopped
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09:31.16L29Ahhttps://dump.bitcheese.net/files/avijeju/n900-cutie.jpeg
09:31.19bencohhmm
09:31.29bencohwtf
09:31.53bencohpoor thing
09:32.46princefakhanlol.
09:32.58Wizzup_princefakhan: wrt battery, there are threads on t.m.o and the wiki that lists tons of batteries
09:33.06princefakhanlooks like that would suffice my phones battery need to.
09:33.16princefakhan*too
09:33.52Wizzup_https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Batteries
09:34.22princefakhanWizzup_: thanks. but are they available in here.
09:34.33Wizzup_ebay.com is not available in your country?
09:35.08Wizzup_http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568
09:35.29Wizzup_http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc9046
09:37.51princefakhanit is. I was fraid of the shipping charges.
09:39.40Wizzup_Postage:
09:39.41Wizzup_Free
09:39.55princefakhanyeah I just saw it.
09:40.20princefakhanthat is the best replacement a/c to the wiki.
09:40.27princefakhanguess I will buy it.
09:41.21princefakhanor if I see any larger batteries in the same price on my local stores, I will go for them.
09:41.29bencohyeah, polarcells are cool
09:41.38princefakhan:D
09:41.44bencohprincefakhan: dont go for "larger batteries"
09:42.06bencohunless they're really physically larger (volume), like Mugens
09:43.05princefakhanhuh! but its 2015.
09:43.15princefakhanI thought thay may be available now.
09:43.44princefakhanor not. all the phones with bl-5j are dead.
09:44.09bencoh2015 or not, it's still the same techno :)
09:44.26princefakhanhmmm. :)
09:44.42bencohand we simply dont have anything better (that would fit in this volume)
09:45.08princefakhanwell then Polarcell it is.
09:45.28bencohmost of the batteries claiming a higher capacity are just scam :)
09:46.21princefakhanyeah I saw the tmo page.
09:46.25bencoh:)
09:46.36princefakhanone claims to be 1500. and its 1300.
09:46.54bencohpolarcells are actually ~1500
09:47.27bencoh(according to the bq272xx chip)
09:47.32princefakhanand I guess I can find 2000mah bl-5js in marjet today. since people know they need bigger batteries now.
09:47.38princefakhanhmmm.
09:47.49L29Ahwe need some photos of a fuel cell powered n900
09:47.57bencohhaha
09:48.07princefakhanhaha.
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09:52.04princefakhanI would rather have neo900 than a fuel cell powered n900
09:52.31L29Ahit actually might even be cheaper
09:52.32drathirsolar powered ones...
09:53.13princefakhanwhat might be. fuel cell or neo900
09:53.36L29Ahneo900
09:53.46bencoh~700e ;p
09:54.00princefakhanuh! well that's why I'm saying I would want a neo900
09:54.32princefakhanis there any estimate of how much it will cost though
10:00.21DerHatfuel cell powered n900 LOL
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10:21.37chem|stprincefakhan: ~600eur?
10:21.51bencoh+ a n900 board
10:22.14chem|stbencoh: + housing, not board
10:22.18bencohs/board/case/
10:22.19bencohyeah :)
10:22.32bencoh(case+a few components)
10:23.50princefakhanso 600 eur for just the board.
10:28.01bencohrough estimate, but most probably
10:28.08bencohthere is no official price yet
10:28.32scottc600 euro...
10:28.37zzz|princefakhanokay.
10:29.07zzz|princefakhancuz 600 is well... too much
10:29.24scottcwasn't the n900 originally about that price?
10:29.36L29Ah> According to current calculations, the cost of motherboard should be somewhere around 990 EUR. Complete device will cost about 150 EUR more, depending on prices and availability of N900 spare parts.
10:29.40L29Ahhttp://neo900.org/faq
10:29.46bencohwait, what ?
10:29.48bencoh990 ?
10:29.56zzz|princefakhanwhoa!
10:30.06bencohStatus: 2015-05-01
10:30.07bencohoh
10:30.13scottclol...
10:30.22zzz|princefakhan:P
10:30.45bencohwtf.
10:31.26scottcfor 1000 euro you could get a used n900, a jolla, a nexus 5 and a refurb thinkpad
10:31.37scottcthat's a bit mad
10:31.55zzz|princefakhanyes u can. smartphones are cheaper now.
10:32.04scottcaye
10:32.18scottcstill, if they have 200 people interested at that price point then more power to them
10:32.33scottci'd love to see it get out the door, even if it's too pricey for me
10:32.48zzz|princefakhanwe are getting better hardware on 300 eur phone thn a 600 euro one.
10:32.58bencohs/better/different/
10:33.05bencoh(sure, better specs ... but no isolation)
10:33.13zzz|princefakhanhmmm.
10:33.58zzz|princefakhanmy point: don't buy samshit
10:34.00bencoh(modem is just a usb peripheral)
10:34.21zzz|princefakhanu have 1+ one
10:34.59bencoh1+1 has qualcomm/MSM inside
10:35.10zzz|princefakhanso?
10:35.44bencohmodem has control over everything
10:37.13zzz|princefakhan?
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11:30.33KotCzarnybut 18550 are ~1500mAh
11:30.43KotCzarnyso its better to get mugen one i guess
11:30.59L29Ah18650 are 2 to 3,5Ah
11:31.16KotCzarnythose are 18650?
11:31.21L29Ahyep
11:31.37KotCzarnyah, right, missed it
11:31.51KotCzarnymaybe one of the got discharged too deep?
11:32.35krbtgt_my windows phone takes the same batteries as my N900, but in a larger mAh
11:33.33L29Aheh, i think i've merged myself in a wrong thread
11:33.43L29Ahor not
11:33.51L29AhKotCzarny: what
11:34.28krbtgt_i also a stack of featurephones that take the same batteries as the n900
11:34.29KotCzarnydont know, got discharged, damaged internally and is shorted
11:34.37krbtgt_so i can use them as battery chargers
11:34.40KotCzarnythats why bme refuses to charge
11:35.09L29Ahno, they're all good
11:35.16bencohL29Ah: how did you take care of the BSI ?
11:35.21L29Ahexcept the internal one that is just old
11:35.42L29Ahi didn't touch it
11:35.45KotCzarnyso you have 3 batteries now connected in parallel?
11:35.48L29Ahye
11:35.50KotCzarnylol
11:36.17KotCzarnycheck without internal?
11:36.27L29Ahi have to destroy it
11:36.36L29Ahthis way
11:37.13L29Ahor not
11:37.24bencohL29Ah: what is it plugged to, then ?
11:37.24L29Ahbut i don't have crocodile connectors
11:37.29bencoh(the BSI pin)
11:37.36KotCzarnyto the internal battery
11:37.40KotCzarnybl-5j
11:38.31L29Ahanyway the battery is charging fine via an external charger
11:38.57bencohoh, 'k
11:38.58L29Ahbut i'm going to be away from home for a month so i'd love to have the usb charging option
11:39.19L29Ahand the calculated runtime for this setup is a week or two
11:39.36L29Ahi should set up some suspend to ram thing btw
11:39.51bencohdoes it work on n900 ?
11:39.54bencoh(s2ram)
11:39.58L29Ahyeah
11:40.32L29Ahbencoh: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
11:41.05bencohhm, is that a real s2ram ?
11:41.31bencohnevermind, echo mem >/sys/power/state :)
11:42.32bencohhmm, it already says "mem"
11:42.50KotCzarnywhat it says is what is available
11:43.04KotCzarnyyou choose one of the options
11:43.13bencohoh, okay
11:43.17bencohlet's try
11:43.25bencoherm, before trying ... how do you get it back on ?
11:43.38KotCzarnypower button i guess
11:44.07L29Ahor the unblock hook
11:44.15L29Ahor an incoming call (didn't test yet)
11:45.15bencohsoo ... screen went black, then a lot of (kernel ?) logs, then black
11:45.37bencohand ... power botton brings back the powermenu
11:46.19bencohhmm, actually, closing keyboard brings it back on as well ...
11:46.21KotCzarnyyou would have to measure how much power it takes
11:46.28KotCzarnythen might be it doesnt work
11:46.33KotCzarnycheck dmesg
11:46.58KotCzarnyor write a script writing date every second to /tmp
11:47.03KotCzarnyand check if it gets suspended
11:48.43bencohit works all right, just that closing keyboard changes a gpio
11:48.47bencohand it wakes it
11:49.03KotCzarnycool
11:49.23KotCzarnywonder how much power it draws in this state
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11:49.30bencohme too
11:49.34bencohwiki says 2ma
11:50.53krbtgt_making calls on an n900?
11:50.58KotCzarny:>
11:51.07krbtgt_i thought that was something made up by nokia to sell n900s
11:51.08KotCzarnyamazing, isnt it?
11:52.12bencohhaha
11:53.06bencohI'll try calling it
11:56.14bencohit does wake up, but I get the "no sim" icon on wake up, then no phone services (2G status and phone services provider's name disappear)
11:56.32bencohand I eventually get the "not available" tone at the other end
11:56.44L29Ah:[
11:56.44bencohTL;DR: nope. :)
11:56.57bencohnot far though
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12:22.56CATPFinishing flashing... done
12:22.59CATPCMT flashing failed
12:23.01CATPWhat is CMT?
12:23.04CATPPlease?
12:38.31Palicellular modem
12:39.23CATPThank Ya
12:39.41CATPHow can i reset the Lock-Code?
12:39.43CATPPlease?
12:59.30keriowho cares about the lock code
12:59.32kerioyou can just crack it
12:59.35kerioboot from rescueos
12:59.38kerio~rescueos
12:59.39infobotfrom memory, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
13:00.09kerioand then the code is crypt()ed in the CAL mtd partition
13:00.12kerioeasily reversed
13:00.50kerioif the flashing is failing because your modem is fucked up, you can just tell the flasher to flash everything else
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13:59.06Openbotprincefakhan you can try belief premium 1500 mah
14:00.01Openbotprincefakhan costs about rs 200 to 250
14:02.04Openbotprincefakhan also stock battrey is 1300 mah but now a days  few manufacturers also provide 1500 mah  battreys
14:03.07Openbotso you also get a noticeable more uptime than stock
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14:06.22keesjit has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !
14:06.28keesjtruly
14:06.45KotCzarnylife
14:06.59KotCzarnyif i had 770 i could compile decent player for it
14:07.09Openbotwell 770 is too low for my taste
14:07.14keesjfound this one in my archieves http://www.keesj.dds.nl/n770/oneko/
14:07.46Openbotdoes 770 do fb chat
14:08.14keesjI was so great to have one of the first, the first? hackable (linux) device
14:09.51Openboti love my n900 as i can fire multiple instances of opera mini  have dozens of tabs open
14:10.04Openbotso much pleasure
14:10.18Openbotalso its smoooth
14:10.49Openbotnither it eats too much batrey
14:10.54keesjI haven't played lately with my devices (I have lots of different hardware now)
14:11.53keesjhttp://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/ it is all still there!
14:11.54Openbotmy primary music player is a jxd 661 which i bought years back
14:12.06Openbotaha
14:12.28keesjand an other unfinished project http://wiki.xmoto.tuxfamily.org/index.php?title=SDL_gfx
14:12.44keesjStill. it was lots of fun and changed my life
14:13.00bencoh:)
14:13.29Openboton n900 i use that awakard oscp and car mode pf omp when in transist
14:13.40krbtgt_my n900 is my bedside IRC device
14:13.46Openbot\of
14:14.20Openbotkrbtgt_ i got a dedside n900 too
14:14.27Openbot:)
14:14.44krbtgt_i have an N800 too but its not as practical
14:15.36jogaI've set up my n800 to just be a skype phone but never actually use it
14:16.45L29Ah[17:06:22]<keesj> it has been 10 years since I brought my 770. And I can truelt say this is the device that changed my life (and certainly career) !
14:16.47krbtgt_i think my N800 has more games on it
14:16.49L29Ahare you a jolla developer nowadays?
14:17.04krbtgt_it has more buttons for doing games so that's nie
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14:17.45keesjL29Ah: Well I recently started looking into Jolla but I work for an ethical  phone manufacturer (Fairphone.com)
14:18.05keesjwe currently ship Android
14:19.58L29Ah:3
14:21.43keesjI had a very good time with this community(maemo summit, mozilla week-end in copenhagen, linuxtag)
14:22.54keesjI don't konw why but I also re-started playing with my c64 lately
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14:59.37DerHathey, its me. again): need som help with flasher for n900
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15:00.23DerHateach time i tryed to flash device i lost usb connection ->black screen-> again and again
15:00.41DerHati read the problem is that the battery is to low
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15:01.32DerHatnow i tryed "flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -l -R" and the "maemo loading dots" was coming up, looks like usb is charging the device now, am i right?
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15:01.55DerHatbecause, i cant boot maemo. just damaged system by installing multiboot
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15:03.22DerHattryed to charge by using nitdroid without success :/ now nitroid also wont boot
15:03.45DerHatthe flasher detected the usb device but lost connection before start flashing
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15:06.08Sicelo~multiboot
15:06.08infobotwell, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
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15:06.18Siceloanyway
15:06.44Sicelothe BL-5J is also used in a number of other Nokias. Get hold of one & charge it there
15:07.59DerHatso it is not charging yet? yellow led is lighting up every second
15:09.19bencohit's probably charging then
15:10.26DerHatokay, i mean, because of this: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f148/nokia-n900-fake-charing-1535097/ im not sure
15:11.01DerHatthere is a lot of ppl who say n900 fake charge
15:12.12KotCzarnyderhat: someone here said that device can charge even without system loaded, failsafe charing kick in after ~30s
15:12.22Siceloif you have flashing amber, generally it should charging.
15:12.42KotCzarnykrbtgt_: n800 not useful? check my oscp and turn it into perfect media device
15:12.54Siceloand that means your system is working .. what makes you say it's damaged?
15:13.02KotCzarnyhe cant boot
15:13.08DerHatyep
15:13.14KotCzarnyplayed with nolo i guess
15:13.31Sicelo~flabat-recover
15:13.42Sicelo~flatbat-recover
15:13.47Sicelohmm
15:13.53Sicelo~flatbatrecover
15:13.53infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
15:14.34KotCzarnyhe broke nolo, so i guess no rootfs/initrd
15:14.52CATPkerio: ktnx
15:15.04DerHatKot, multiboot still loading, but when i choose system there is only error
15:15.08Sicelostrange. he shouldn't have flashing amber
15:15.25KotCzarnysicelo, maybe its failsafe charging
15:16.09Siceloiirc doesn't do flashing amber .. there's different pattern (steady amber if i'm not mistaken)
15:16.11DerHati loaded RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM using flasher to phone, the only chance to show up the maemo loading dots
15:16.19DerHatgood idea?
15:16.56DerHati mean without -f because i cant flash with low battery
15:17.13DerHat-l -R instead
15:17.32KotCzarnygrab any device that can charge bl-5j and reflash with full battery?
15:17.47KotCzarnyi guess you can ask someone to borrow phone for 30-60mins
15:19.50DerHatwell, idk anyone who got nokia devices, most ppl use iphone. but i got a voltage regulator 1.5-70V maybe i can use this??
15:20.01DerHatalso got a multimeter and oscilloscope to view ampere
15:20.06KotCzarnyif you are adventurous
15:20.22KotCzarnyand if you know electronics you can make your own charger for li-ions
15:21.25bencohKotCzarny: he didnt break nolo
15:21.34bencohhe wouldnt be able to go that far if he did
15:21.38KotCzarnyahm
15:22.25bencohDerHat: just wait for it to charge in blinking/breathing yellow state
15:22.44DerHatyea its going to be green right?
15:23.39bencohI guess so :]
15:23.43Siceloonly green when full
15:23.53DerHatokay
15:24.19DerHatthx for support! :- )
15:25.40bencohmeanwhile you can gather some doc about uboot, flasher, bootmenu vs multiboot and preinit :)
15:26.08DerHatis it possible to load/boot anyway maemo from usb/flasher?
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15:26.36bencohI know how to load rescueos
15:26.39bencohI dunno about maemo
15:27.01Siceloyou can only load kernel :)
15:27.24Siceloso Maemo.. no.
15:27.28bencohkernel+initrd ... kernel should be enough if you think your maemo kernel is (why ?) corrupted
15:27.48bencohSicelo: given correct kernel args it should be able to boot maemo rootfs
15:27.54KotCzarnyi think he only has wrong params for multiboot
15:27.56bencohbut if the fs is corrupted ...
15:28.00KotCzarnyso the rest is untouched
15:28.12bencohcould be
15:28.36Siceloyou can't load the rootfs .. has to be properly in place. too big for ram
15:28.50bencohSicelo: I mean, inplace
15:28.52bencohfrom the nand
15:28.54bencohlike a regular boot
15:28.54Sicelo:)
15:29.03Siceloso yes, you loading only kernel
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15:29.15bencohyeah
15:29.31KotCzarnykernel cam have initrd glued in
15:29.36KotCzarnys/cam/can/
15:29.49Siceloyep
15:30.03DerHatokay
15:30.19KotCzarnyone should prepare such rescueos
15:30.38KotCzarnyor is there one already? (bootable wholly from usb flasher)
15:30.46bencohthere is
15:30.48Siceloyep.
15:31.00Sicelo~rescueos
15:31.00infobothmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
15:31.12KotCzarnynice, perfect setup for trying diff. builds
15:31.23Sicelobuilds of?
15:31.27KotCzarnykernel
15:31.33KotCzarnyand maybe glibc
15:32.20Siceloyou can even setup your own OS for that, which is tailored to your exact needs
15:32.51DerHatwuuuut?? can i just load rescueOS using flasher and boot them???
15:32.53KotCzarnyyeah, and mount --bind or symlink things
15:33.00KotCzarnyderhat: yes
15:33.03DerHatthen flash from that os??
15:33.08KotCzarnynope
15:33.14KotCzarnyjust run it
15:33.21KotCzarnynothing written to flash
15:33.32DerHatisnt that a unix os?
15:33.32KotCzarnybut needs correct params to util
15:33.50KotCzarnywhat is 'that' ?
15:34.14DerHatrescueOS
15:34.15bencohrescueos is a linux kernel + some userland
15:34.32KotCzarnyyeah, kernel + filesysystem loaded into ramdisk
15:34.56bencohmounting the nand can be a pain sometimes iirc
15:34.57DerHatyea, then mount filesystem and rewrite to it? why should it not work?
15:35.15bencohI think last time I tried I had some issue, dont remember why
15:35.31bencoh(but it worked in the end)
15:35.51SiceloDerHat: you won't have complete access to the nand that way
15:36.00SiceloCAL area for example
15:36.00KotCzarnysicelo: why not?
15:36.27Siceloyou can fix problems in your rootfs for sure
15:36.40bencohbecause CAL isnt standard in anyway and you need libcal and other fancy tools
15:36.45Sicelobut there's no way to "flash" from a secondary OS
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15:37.04DerHatokay:/
15:37.04KotCzarnybencoh, but if you mount rootfs (even ro) then you have access to tools
15:37.14DerHatright:D
15:37.36Sicelothere's a complete protocol to flashing
15:37.51Sicelonot just an overwrite of files
15:38.09DerHatok, then i wait for battery and flash with usb
15:41.40Siceloso Nitdroid still only works with Multiboot? No way to use it via uboot+bootmenu?
15:43.48KotCzarnyhmm
15:44.14KotCzarnypity there is no way to run nitdroid as a virtual machine in maemo
15:44.32KotCzarnyor maybe with xen?
15:45.59DerHatsicelo pretty sure i saw tutorials for nitdroid+uboot
15:46.36DerHatisnt uboot a bootmenu?
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15:51.30DerHatjust remember they wrote multiboot sux!
15:51.55DerHatand going to damage nand flash or something
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15:55.10Sicelouboot is not a boot menu, but a special kernel
15:55.42Sicelothat allows you to load another kernel :) so uboot is a bootloader in much simpler terms
15:56.04bencohit does provide a kind of boot menu with its bootscript feature though
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16:56.25L29Ahokay, ditching the camera cover brought some unintended consequences
16:56.44KotCzarnyget a magnetic piece from it
16:56.46L29Ahi need some trigger to reset camera after it fucks up
16:56.57L29Ahi've glued a white paper
16:56.58KotCzarnythat's what triggers it
16:57.06L29Ahnope
16:57.07KotCzarnymaybe wrong orientation
16:57.26bencohwhy dont you just keep a bl-5j and an extra (external) usb battery ?
16:57.41L29Aheh, regluing it doesn't work
16:57.44L29Ahrebooting does
16:58.06L29Ahbencoh: because usb battery have effective capacity /2
16:58.10L29Ahdue to extra conversions
16:58.25L29Ahand unneccessary recharging of the internal battery
16:58.31L29Ahor even worse than /2
17:00.22L29Ahboard_rx51_camera       5088  1
17:00.22L29Ahomap34xxcam_mod        18308  10
17:00.22L29Ahi wonder what uses all these
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17:01.18bencohL29Ah: yeah but permanently strapping 2 batteries on the back of your n900 isnt exactly great
17:01.23bencohbut .... your call :)
17:02.21L29Ahthey aren't permanently strapped
17:02.31L29Ahit's a case for removable batteries
17:02.37L29Ahso i could carry more and replace as needed
17:02.40L29Ah:]
17:03.51bencohoh
17:05.02KotCzarnyl29ah, make a nun-chucks case
17:05.17KotCzarnyit will double as a self defense tool
17:05.26bencoh:]
17:08.09L29Ahposessing nunchucks in russia is a criminal offence
17:08.15L29Ahi don't wanna get jailed for n900
17:08.18KotCzarnyyou can say its a battery case
17:08.21KotCzarny:)
17:08.26KotCzarnybut seriously, it is?
17:08.55L29Ahyea
17:08.57L29Ahhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunchaku
17:08.59L29Ah/russ
17:09.21totalizatorDefiant: I have installed Nitdroid with multiboot years ago, upgraded to uboot and then fixed it (Nd) so it works - there should be a thread on TMO how to do it
17:10.20KotCzarnywow, its also illegal in poland
17:11.01KotCzarnyalso in .uk
17:11.10L29Ahokay the camera app puts the photos into some /dev/null
17:11.33L29Ahwonders if it's because he formatted mmcblk0p1 as ext2
17:11.38KotCzarnyand in new york/california
17:12.27L29Ahseriously dangerous stuff!
17:12.48KotCzarnyyeah..
17:12.54KotCzarnypiece of wood
17:12.58KotCzarnyand a bit of chain
17:13.00totalizatorin US everything is illegal
17:13.05totalizatorexcept firearms
17:13.10KotCzarny:)
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17:20.11L29Ahwhat is the most awesome camera app?
17:20.23KotCzarnynot much choice there
17:20.26KotCzarnyfcam and stock
17:20.53princefakhanI use blessn900 when I have to take hdr
17:21.18princefakhanI have fcam installed, but don't use it.
17:21.40KotCzarnyah, right, blessn900
17:21.45princefakhan:)
17:22.16KotCzarnyand i guess you can try looking for some webcam apps
17:22.21bencohblessn900 is closed-source thoug
17:22.30KotCzarnyis n900 camera using v4l2 ?
17:22.31bencohyou can try rawcam as well
17:22.37bencohKotCzarny: it does
17:22.51L29Ahn900 camera is a sick thing
17:22.54KotCzarnythen you can try grabbing some desktop linux webcam/photocam apps
17:23.04L29Ahit comes with an autofocus mech i'd love to utilize
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17:23.08L29Ahso webcam mode is no-no
17:23.26KotCzarnyif you know how to code, you can do it yourself
17:23.56princefakhanI had some webcam app in my phone in the early days
17:24.01L29Ahif i'm to code, i'm to finish moving maemo stuff to gentoo :]
17:24.35princefakhan:)
17:24.51KotCzarnyyou can code now, it will run on gentoo too
17:25.03KotCzarnyso no need to wait
17:25.04KotCzarny;)
17:25.45Defianttotalizator?
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17:26.11princefakhan~totalizator
17:26.23princefakhaninfobot has nothing.
17:26.35KotCzarnytry /whois
17:26.47L29Ahblessn900 won't start
17:26.52princefakhanI just did
17:27.13KotCzarnymaybe something grabbed camera
17:27.21KotCzarnyor you need newer version
17:27.28L29Ah<PROTECTED>
17:27.28L29Ah<PROTECTED>
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17:27.30DerHatre
17:27.33DerHatflash successful
17:27.36L29Ahi'm new to debian, what do i press?
17:27.38princefakhando u have camera launcher too
17:27.50KotCzarnyapt-get update
17:27.56KotCzarnyor apt-get update -f
17:27.59KotCzarnydont remember
17:28.22princefakhanL29Ah u have used linux before hvent u?
17:28.46L29Ahhwat
17:28.58princefakhannevermind
17:29.02L29Ahi've used linux for like 10 years
17:29.19L29Ahbut debian is just too scary for me so i never invested any time in it
17:29.27KotCzarnyyou shouldn't liek use like like every word or like comma
17:29.56L29Ahlike ≈ about
17:29.57KotCzarnyit's a grammar weed
17:30.01princefakhan:)
17:30.03L29Ahno?
17:30.23KotCzarnyit's a teen speech
17:30.32KotCzarnybad in every sense
17:30.33DerHatlike a teen speech
17:30.33L29Ahi'm a cool kid yo
17:30.40DerHat:D
17:30.50L29Ahw/ fashionable gentoo and n900
17:31.07KotCzarnyand might i say, like a stupid blonde teen speech
17:31.09princefakhanwell someone did aske me on a channel: u liek madkipz
17:31.17princefakhanor something like that.
17:31.18Sicelodebian scary? which distro are you using hten?
17:31.20bencoh:))
17:31.24L29Ahgentoo
17:31.30Siceloheh
17:31.30princefakhanI had to google madkipz.
17:31.41L29Ahgoogles this
17:31.45KotCzarnygentoo, like someone said, ooh, new openoffice minor version, compile time!
17:31.58princefakhanmadkipz is some pokemon I guess
17:32.00bencohkrkr :)
17:32.13princefakhannever had much interest in anime.
17:32.18Sicelothat's why i don't get why a gentoo user would find debian scary. should be the other way round instead
17:32.22L29Ahgood thing i don't use bloatware
17:32.31KotCzarnyi use slackware
17:32.34L29Ahdebian is overcomplicated and too hard to hack
17:32.38KotCzarnythe best and only one
17:32.41princefakhanI actually got invilved in the internet culture lately
17:33.19L29Ahokay i got some progress
17:33.29L29Ahafter a reboot it loads for some time and then exits
17:33.39L29Ahi'll go for fcam i guess
17:33.44princefakhanL29ah: blessn900
17:33.52L29Ahye, i was talking about it
17:33.58KotCzarnydont be scared if stock camera wont work now
17:34.07princefakhanhehe.
17:34.07KotCzarnyi had to uninstall fcam to make it work again
17:34.12L29Ah:D
17:34.20KotCzarnygot me pretty scared
17:34.28L29AhE: Couldn't find package fcam
17:34.28princefakhanlooks like fcam phucked things up.
17:34.29KotCzarnybecause i dropped my phone in the meantime
17:34.44KotCzarnyand thought i physically broke it
17:35.03KotCzarnyl29ah: dpkg -l|grep -i cam
17:35.13princefakhanKotCzarny: lol
17:35.19KotCzarnyalso, you should map ~ and | to some blue keys
17:35.24princefakhan*fcam or cam
17:35.32L29Ahfcam-drivers
17:35.33KotCzarnypretty essential if you use command line on device
17:35.36L29Ahthat's it
17:36.00L29AhKotCzarny: i've added | to the touchscreen thingy
17:36.17L29Ahbut i guess i'll remap some stuff to the hardware keys eventually
17:36.25L29Ahthe keyboard is more awesome than i thought
17:36.29KotCzarnyive mapped long press z to ~ and long press c to |
17:36.42L29Ahthe learning curve is quite gentle
17:36.54KotCzarnyits pretty easy
17:37.03KotCzarnyand there are examples in the wiki
17:37.28princefakhanKotczarny: is there any gui for mapping keys.
17:37.32KotCzarnynope
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17:37.40KotCzarnybut you have to edit simple text file
17:37.41KotCzarnyreally
17:37.43princefakhanoh!
17:37.44L29Ahthere's a straightforward description file in x
17:38.04bencohL29Ah: just remap everything :)
17:38.21L29Ahi won't
17:38.28L29Ahi like the default mappings for now
17:38.37KotCzarnybut missing ~ and | is a bummer
17:38.37bencohwell, I mean, for the missing chars
17:38.39KotCzarnyfor shell
17:38.40L29Ahexcept the currency stuff
17:38.41bencohyeah
17:38.47princefakhancan I get a link for this stuff
17:39.07L29Ahprincefakhan: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/
17:39.15bencohhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
17:39.19L29Ahrx-51
17:40.31princefakhanthanks.
17:42.16L29Ahi wonder how much power does a composite video output consume
17:42.45L29Ahhas a sick idea of turning n900 into a proto-wearable computer hooking a cheap HMD in it
17:43.22princefakhannot a great idea I guess.
17:43.36princefakhanthe phone alone is bulky enough
17:43.59L29Ahi have a 2l waistbag always w/ me
17:44.26L29Ahand a 50l backpack when i'm out
17:45.14princefakhanoh! :)
17:45.15L29Ahwearable computer must be super kool
17:45.42L29Ahhttp://twiddler.tekgear.com/
17:45.47princefakhanI would like a computer inside my hand.
17:45.55princefakhanlike in deus ex
17:46.40L29Ahcan't google it out
17:46.59princefakhancan't what google out?
17:47.15L29Ahthe deus ex thing
17:47.40princefakhanoh! well deus ex is just a game series.
17:47.47KotCzarnyhttp://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about/articles/2015/Worlds-Smallest-Computer-Michigan-Micro-Mote.html
17:48.01KotCzarnycomputers are already small enough
17:48.05L29Ahanyway, where do i get the fcam thing?
17:48.06KotCzarnyits about interfaces
17:48.16L29Ahi have community{,-testing} and extras{,-testing}
17:48.32princefakhanthe protagonist has it surgically installed ynder his skin.
17:48.40bencohfcam is in extras
17:49.05bencoh-testing should be fine/enough
17:49.05princefakhanL29ah: u get can't find fcam when u apt?
17:49.07KotCzarnyextras-testing, what a wonderful place for user's software needs!
17:49.13L29Ahprincefakhan: yep
17:49.17bencohKotCzarny: please no ;p
17:49.20KotCzarny:P
17:49.23princefakhanKotczarny: ah yes.
17:49.25L29Ahhuh? :3
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17:49.36bencohL29Ah: apt-cache search fcam
17:49.48KotCzarnyor apt-cache search camera
17:49.54L29Ahwhoa fcamera
17:49.56L29Ahthx
17:49.57bencohand/or apt-cache policy fcam-drivers
17:50.08princefakhanI had a thought about maemo.org's motto.
17:50.10L29Ahdpkg thing didn't find it
17:50.20DerHatcan anybody give me a maemo compatible sources.list? mine is empty.
17:50.22KotCzarnydpkg is raw
17:50.24bencohdpkg doesnt handle repositories
17:50.32KotCzarnyapt is more intelligent
17:50.38DerHatand slow
17:50.43princefakhantoo much noise. I forgot the motto.
17:50.57bencohDerHat: there is one around on the "downloads.maemo.nokia.com down" thread
17:51.01L29AhDerHat: https://bpaste.net/show/3809b41265ae
17:51.03L29Ahi use this
17:51.21DerHatohh you got unstable:P
17:51.45KotCzarnywhat is that bokomoko thing?
17:51.51princefakhanL29ah: what cam apps u currently have installed
17:51.53L29Ah"unstable" as in "3y fresh" instead of 4y?
17:52.13bencoh:))
17:52.21KotCzarnyahm, navit
17:52.50princefakhanhaha.
17:53.30princefakhanL29ah: uninstall them first. and install them again.
17:53.42L29Ahfailed to make navit draw zoom in/out icons btw ;[
17:53.53L29Ahand zoom in/out via volume buttons
17:54.08KotCzarnysource included, hackaway?
17:54.13L29Ahfcamera hanged yay
17:54.28L29AhKotCzarny: it's DEEEEBIAAAAN
17:54.39KotCzarnywhat is?
17:54.51L29Ahthe thing that handles the keys now
17:54.58KotCzarnyerm
17:55.00DerHatwhere is yappari oO? or an other whatsapp client....
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17:55.10KotCzarnycontext failed
17:55.28princefakhanDerHat: testing I guess.
17:55.31L29Ahi'm afraid to recompile the parts of the system
17:55.45KotCzarnynavit isnt part of the system
17:55.48L29Ah(so i grow a gentoo chroot in emmc instead :O)
17:55.49KotCzarnyit's optional app
17:56.00L29AhKotCzarny: i guess i need to hack the volume control sw to let go the keys
17:56.08L29Ahotherwise navit won't get the keypresses
17:56.14KotCzarnynow that would be a pain
17:56.14L29Ahas far as i understand Xorg
17:56.59KotCzarnyin ppython you just need to add a flag to windowing system
17:57.05KotCzarnyprobably same thing in x
17:57.44KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
17:57.44KotCzarnyINTEGER"), 32, gtk.gdk.PROP_MODE_REPLACE, [1]);
17:58.18KotCzarnyso you have to add that atom somewhere near x window init in navit
18:02.01DerHatextra devel, here we go
18:02.10KotCzarny:>
18:03.04L29Ahwow sick stuff
18:03.11L29Ahgoes to read how does this work
18:03.40KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/howto_grab_all_maemo5_zoom_key_events_in_sdl-sdl_gles_app/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1
18:03.48KotCzarnyhere you have c example
18:03.52DerHatL29AH you want take control over volume-buttons?
18:03.56L29Ah:*
18:04.05L29Ahi don't know what i want
18:04.17DerHatokay
18:04.38KotCzarnyhe wants to zoom with volume keys
18:04.40KotCzarnyin navit
18:04.43L29Ahi'm actually quite surprised the maemo community is still alive
18:04.50L29Ahas the packages seem old and rotten
18:04.52KotCzarnycheck if someone didnt have a patch already
18:05.06KotCzarnyl29ah: do you listen to music?
18:05.13L29Ahi plan to
18:05.18L29Ahdidn't try yet
18:05.25princefakhanmaemo community is very hopeful.
18:05.31L29Ahis gradually moving from an android phone
18:05.41KotCzarnyif you like oldschool playing check my oscp player
18:05.51krbtgt_i'm still waiting for modern OpenSSH
18:05.58L29Ahkrbtgt_: go gentoo
18:05.58krbtgt_but my daily driver is a Lumia 520
18:06.04KotCzarnykrbtgt_: dont wait, hack one
18:06.22L29Ahit's yet to be able to do calls tho
18:06.23krbtgt_the batteries are just larger capacity versions of the N900's
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18:14.28princefakhanwell, the maemo motto I was talking about is this.
18:14.44princefakhanMaemo, we always be testing.
18:15.03KotCzarnynot true
18:15.09KotCzarnyi dont use -testing repos
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18:15.24princefakhanthen what. devel.
18:15.30KotCzarnyyup
18:15.40princefakhanme too.
18:15.45KotCzarnybut only when the software is missing from extras
18:16.11L29Ahwho maintains those repos btw?
18:16.14princefakhanoh! well I always install apps from testing or devel.
18:16.21KotCzarnycommunity
18:16.30KotCzarnyas nokia is no more
18:16.56princefakhanI'm confused. doesn't hildon own maemo.org
18:17.19Sicelohildon is software :)
18:17.36KotCzarnyhildon is a foundation
18:17.42Sicelolulz
18:17.57KotCzarnyhttp://hildonfoundation.org/
18:17.58KotCzarny:)
18:18.12KotCzarnyits not only maemo
18:18.13Siceloheh, that's not hildon
18:18.21princefakhanhildon foundation.
18:18.23ecc3ghildon is annoying ... no source :(
18:18.31princefakhani guess they made hildon.
18:18.36KotCzarnyThe Hildon Foundation, founded in September 2012, is a nonprofit organization elected by the
18:18.36KotCzarnyMaemo Community to represent it in legal and other official matters and to preserve the maemo.org infrastructure
18:18.47Sicelohildon? afaik large parts of hildon are open-source
18:18.54Siceloand Hifo did not make hildon
18:18.57princefakhanwell so are many core maemo softwares.
18:19.10KotCzarnythey have one member, he he
18:19.22L29Ahi guess i meant "how is community and extras different?"
18:19.27KotCzarnyand jum jagielski photo is oversized, hehe
18:19.41princefakhanokay. this is interesting.
18:19.41KotCzarnyl29ah: never used community repos
18:19.47KotCzarnyi only use extras
18:20.06L29Ahi got wireless-tools from community afair
18:20.13L29Ahwanna share 3G via wifi
18:20.24KotCzarnyisnt there an app for that?
18:20.54princefakhana closed source one. Joikuspot or something.
18:20.57L29Ahit pulls wireless-tools
18:21.05L29Ahthe opensource one
18:21.07KotCzarnyhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/mobilehotspot/
18:21.14L29Ahye, it does
18:21.19princefakhanahh. there is also a open sourrce one.
18:21.23princefakhanyes. that.
18:22.14L29Ahokay now all the camera sw went fubar
18:22.24KotCzarnyhehe, fcam
18:22.27L29Ahi guess the reinstalling advice made sense
18:23.01princefakhan:D
18:26.19L29AhHmm, seems like the AutoRemover destroyed something which really
18:26.19L29Ahshouldn't happen. Please file a bug report against apt.
18:26.33L29Ahi got debian!
18:27.07KotCzarnynever ever use autoremove
18:27.10KotCzarnyeven on debian
18:27.12KotCzarny:)
18:27.26L29Ahwell, the corresponding gentoo feature works fine (:
18:28.07Siceloif you look at what autoremove wants to remove, and you 'know' all of the packages to remove, then it's safe to use
18:28.15Sicelohas used it many times on maemo
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18:31.44L29Ahfcamera shows only gray screen instead of image
18:32.23L29Ahgooglable sry
18:33.12princefakhanjust reading about hildon. on the wiki it says that hildon is part of gnome now.
18:33.56L29AhPackage omap3camd is not available, but is referred to by another package.
18:33.56L29AhThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
18:33.56L29Ahis only available from another source
18:33.56L29AhE: Package omap3camd has no installation candidate
18:34.02princefakhanso is there a better alternative for desktop env on linux tablets
18:34.06L29Ahokay i guess i've made a mistake purging this on
18:34.08princefakhanesp. maemo
18:34.11SiceloUNITY :)
18:34.12Sicelohaha
18:34.17KotCzarnybah
18:34.22KotCzarnygood gtk theme
18:34.25KotCzarnyand you are good
18:34.36KotCzarnyno need for twinkies
18:34.42KotCzarnyand crapload of deps
18:34.58princefakhanhmmm. lol. not good with customisations.
18:35.15princefakhanI prefer out-of-the-box.
18:35.23KotCzarnynokia made one for you
18:35.41princefakhanyeah. its good enough.
18:35.59princefakhanbut I'm open to changes.
18:36.18KotCzarnythe file is 150kB long
18:36.29KotCzarnyso its a pain in the ..
18:37.02KotCzarnybut if you arent picky you can make nice finger friendly theme in ~10-30lines
18:37.47princefakhanooh! looks like I have to start learning all dem languages now.
18:38.08princefakhanI sit all day at home and do nothing.
18:38.14KotCzarnygtk theme is not a language
18:38.25KotCzarnyjust a bunch of keywords
18:38.40princefakhanoh.
18:38.44princefakhanwell still...
18:38.56princefakhanI sit at home doing nothing. xD
18:38.58KotCzarnyand you can google for gtk2 themes
18:39.00L29Ah<PROTECTED>
18:39.01L29Ahwat
18:39.21princefakhan:)
18:39.27KotCzarnyl29ah: if in doubt, reflash
18:39.35L29Ah;O
18:39.44KotCzarnybut hacking is fun
18:39.50princefakhanhaha. looks to me. he has to. in a while.
18:40.05KotCzarnyand one can learn most from breaking things
18:40.11KotCzarnyand trying to fix them
18:40.16princefakhanKotczarny: I have.
18:40.35princefakhanevrytime I reflash my phone is because I break it.
18:40.49princefakhanand learn more about it.
18:40.55KotCzarnyi reflashed it only when new firmwares popped out
18:41.11KotCzarnynever really broke it so seriously i couldnt make it work
18:41.22princefakhanu mean the stock nokia fw
18:41.25KotCzarnyyes
18:41.28KotCzarny1.3
18:41.38princefakhanwell u r not a child like me.
18:42.06princefakhanthis device introduced me to linux
18:42.08L29Ahomap3camd.deb any1?
18:42.19L29Ahi promise i won't tell nokia you sent me it!
18:42.29L29Ahor how is it called, microsoft mobile?
18:42.34princefakhanL29ah: I suppose it must be in repos somewhere.
18:42.55princefakhanoh! right. we have mirrors I think.
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18:43.42L29Ahdoesn't seems to be on repository.maemo.org
18:44.12princefakhanit must be in the nokia repos. or msft mobile. lol.
18:44.29princefakhanI'm talking about those repos' mirrors
18:48.58KotCzarnyoh, and never use dpkg to remove packages (unless you know what you are doing)
18:49.24KotCzarnyapt will check dependencies and breakages
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18:52.01bencohL29Ah: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1467566&postcount=112
18:52.04bencohprobably there
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18:53.04DerHati flashed my n900 using this emmc RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and this other file RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin now i got no email (*#06# is empty) what can i do without flash again??
18:53.24DerHatemail lol i mean imei
18:53.50L29Ahbencoh: :*
18:54.22princefakhanbencoh: I just realized I have the nokia repos still enabled.
18:54.39princefakhanand ham makes me cringe everytime I open it.
18:55.14princefakhanso thanks.
18:56.18bencohyw :)
18:56.33princefakhanL29ah: those are the mirrors for nokia repos if u r wondering.
18:56.35princefakhan:)
18:57.24princefakhanwill the repos come back or stay down.
18:58.20princefakhanI'm really bad at reading long posts. I stopped following tmo posts cuz I was away for a time.
18:58.43princefakhanoops. threads.
18:59.16L29Ahk fcamera is fucked anyway
18:59.34bencohprincefakhan: most probably stay down
18:59.47princefakhanhmmm.
19:00.09princefakhanL29ah: I believe u fucked up ur phone.
19:00.20L29Ahno way
19:00.20princefakhanomap packages are essential I guess.
19:00.26bencohDNS say "go hang yourself", and when asking the (akamaï) repository server (dns entry in /etc/hosts) you dont get any positive result
19:00.43bencohL29Ah: fcamera works
19:00.48bencohpretty well
19:00.53princefakhanbencoh: haha.
19:00.59KotCzarnybencoh: maybe it need special kernel?
19:01.19bencohor more recent drivers
19:01.32bencohiirc -testing fcam-drivers wont work with kp55
19:01.39L29AhLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l unknown
19:01.52bencoherr, 53 :)
19:01.57bencohor 52 for that matters
19:02.18L29Ahwhat kernels do you guys use?
19:02.41KotCzarnyLinux x61 3.16.0+ #2 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 21 17:55:27 CET 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7300  @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
19:02.43princefakhanwhen are fcam drivers needed exactly. if u have fcamera u have those drivers too. right?
19:02.44KotCzarnyi use this one
19:02.44bencohI'm still on 52 with fcam-drivers 1.0.7-2
19:02.57L29AhKotCzarny: x201 > x61
19:03.04KotCzarnyx61 is nice
19:03.11KotCzarnybut x40 is the best!
19:03.34L29Ahi meant on n900
19:04.02KotCzarnybencoh: so which kernel/fcam driver one should have?
19:04.16L29Ahprincefakhan: yeah they were pulled and asked me to reboot
19:04.42bencohKotCzarny: dunno, I only know what I'm using
19:05.03princefakhanWell then I have kp53 (i guess that the latest one) and fcamera
19:05.06bencohbut I'm pretty sure 1.0.6 fcam-drivers are too old for kp53
19:05.07princefakhanworks fine.
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19:05.39L29Ah1.0.7-1 there
19:05.50L29Ahbencoh: where did you get -2?
19:05.59L29Ah-devel?
19:06.08KotCzarny:>
19:06.14bencohI think they're in devel ... I had those rebuilt in scratchbox though :)
19:06.35KotCzarny-devel, even better place for userend software then -testing!
19:06.36KotCzarny;)
19:06.43bencohMEH ;)
19:06.52princefakhanhaha.
19:06.54KotCzarnyoscp got 5 votes!
19:07.30bencohpush it to free instead of non-free and it'd probably get 25
19:07.37KotCzarnyunlikely
19:07.42KotCzarnyi bet it will get 6
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19:07.59princefakhantmo folks are not well informed about how the packages get pushed i guess.
19:08.02KotCzarnybut yes, im considering free
19:08.13bencoh\o/
19:08.14bencohat last
19:08.18princefakhanif they are theu don't know where to vote
19:08.25KotCzarnynope, it was a plan from the start
19:08.29princefakhanI didn't too.
19:08.38princefakhanoh! okay.
19:08.41KotCzarnyprincefakhan: i put the link into my signature
19:08.54KotCzarnywith description and polite request
19:09.15KotCzarnyso it's not that they didnt know how or where to
19:09.20KotCzarnyjust didnt bother
19:09.22L29Ahokay the stock camera fucks up when i pull the hook to block the device
19:09.27L29Ahor it just times out itself
19:09.31princefakhanbut why. it is not the plan I guess.
19:09.32L29Ahand fixes by rebooting
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19:09.46KotCzarnyL29Ah: remove fcam before using stock cam
19:09.53L29Ahi did
19:09.56L29Ahand rebooted
19:10.06L29Ahgot the behaviour i came with
19:10.12princefakhanI guess its more that they don't bother.
19:10.16KotCzarnyk, might be something else blocking it
19:10.51KotCzarnywhat dmesg/logs say?
19:11.35L29Ahwhat logs?
19:11.40L29Ahnothing interesting in dmesg
19:12.00KotCzarnydont know if messages or debug in /var/log is used
19:12.01bencohthere are no interesting logs unless you start syslogd ;)
19:12.05KotCzarnyyeah
19:12.13KotCzarnywas going to suggest it
19:12.35KotCzarnyyou can run camera from terminal
19:12.35L29Ahno metalog :[
19:12.36L29Ahk
19:14.37L29AhNote, selecting sysklogd instead of syslogd
19:14.55KotCzarnybut remember to not leave it running
19:15.00KotCzarny<PROTECTED>
19:15.17KotCzarnyi mean /var
19:15.22KotCzarnyor both
19:16.28Sicelo<PROTECTED>
19:17.17KotCzarnyright, still, rootfs is very limited
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19:20.56L29AhW: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package binutils
19:21.11L29Ahwonders if binutils will get pulled on n900 someday
19:21.19KotCzarny:)
19:21.25KotCzarnyi did pull them on mine
19:21.34L29Ahstill no syslogd
19:21.37L29Ahdid you mean sysklogd?
19:21.40KotCzarnyas i did gcc/g++ etc
19:21.43KotCzarnyyes
19:21.50L29Ahg++ failed to compile boost on n900
19:21.58L29Aheating all the ram and swap
19:21.58KotCzarny4.2 is old
19:22.07L29Ah4.8.3 :P
19:22.08KotCzarnymake more swap
19:22.25L29Ahno, i'll setup some qemu-user and nfs stuff
19:22.38KotCzarnyswap over nfs over wifi?
19:23.29KotCzarnyyou can also use distcc
19:23.33L29Ahno, compiles on a pc pulling toolchain and headers from and installing ready packages to over wifi
19:23.37KotCzarnycould be easier
19:23.58L29Ahdistcc won't save me from stuff like ghc that i will eventually want to have
19:24.11L29Ahdamn
19:24.14L29Ahneed to stop hacking
19:24.18L29Ahstart doing useful stuff
19:24.22KotCzarny;)
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19:32.49L29Ahcamera-ui somehow doesn't want to start from a terminal
19:32.59L29Ah~]camera-ui
19:32.59L29Ahmethod return sender=:1.34 -> dest=:1.107 reply_serial=2
19:32.59L29Ahmethod return sender=:1.40 -> dest=:1.108 reply_serial=2
19:33.11L29Ahit doesn't quit, just doesn't spawn a window
19:33.51L29Ahdidn't get any cues from /usr/share/applications/hildon/camera-ui.desktop
19:37.28L29Ahyay the devel fcamera works!
19:37.56bencoh:)
19:38.26L29Ahand it survives the hook
19:38.30L29Ahthank you
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19:39.53bencohL29Ah: syslogd is in busybox-power iirc
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19:42.24L29Ahwow 5cm focus
19:42.29L29Ahthat's unexpected
19:42.39L29Ahfcamera doesn't use the flash :(
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19:43.48bencohtry rawcam :)
19:44.35L29Ahalso wtf it didn't put the captures to the target dir
19:44.42L29Ahbut somehows shows me them in the ui
19:45.50L29Ahah it's owned by root
19:50.41L29Ahwhoa DNG
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19:55.55L29Ahzsh: segmentation fault  cameratopam photo2015.05.03_22.46.21.51.dng
19:55.57L29Ahnice job
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21:21.44DerHatcannot register yappari anymore :/
21:21.52DerHatserver response was: old_version
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21:28.39ceeneDerHat: which yappario version are you using?
21:29.01DerHat1.1.51
21:29.05ceeneso...
21:29.07DerHatbuild4809
21:29.09ceenethat version stopped working
21:29.10ceenelike
21:29.12ceeneages ago
21:29.14DerHatops^^
21:29.15ceenewhere have you been?
21:29.16ceene:P
21:29.30DerHatreflashed phone 1h ago, this is why.....
21:29.35ceenelatest release is 2.0.10
21:29.42ceenebut since people won't vote for it
21:29.46DerHatyea i remember from last week i got it :D
21:29.48Siceloceene: what fixes are you planning for 2.0.11
21:29.48ceeneit hasn't reached stable
21:30.05ceeneSicelo: not much, to be honest
21:30.09ceenei've been testing a small patch
21:30.17ceenethat should fix some segfaults
21:30.25ceeneand another one that should fix those frequent disconnects
21:30.39DerHatceene maybe some cool feats like in real whatsapp^^ i want to help but dont know where to start
21:31.08DerHati like location share in whatsapp
21:31.12ceenetruth is, since i took over yappari maintanaice my free time has decreased greatly :(
21:31.13DerHatthis make life easyier
21:31.22ceeneyep, that's something on the todo list
21:31.26ceenebut since bugs keep appearing
21:31.32ceenei never have time for new features
21:31.32ceene:(
21:31.56Siceloany idea RE: status update issue :)
21:32.04ceeneyep, that's another thing
21:32.17ceenethat's something i really want to do
21:32.29ceeneeven if it's just to remove some wrong messages that are sent
21:32.39DerHatnoo that status thing is like a yappari feat:D i like that
21:32.39ceenejust in case they happen to detect them and decide to shut us down
21:33.01ceenealthough i don't understand yet why that happens to you, Sicelo
21:33.03SiceloDerHat ?
21:33.13ceenei've tested it with an android phone and my status seems to change fine
21:33.30ceenemaybe it depends on which version of whatsapp has the other party?
21:33.42DerHatdo we still talk about yappari?
21:34.06Sicelopossibly, because on further testing 3 users could see my status change, but the vast majority do not
21:34.25ceenethat's quite strange, nevertheless
21:34.32Wizzup_yappari also stopped working for me in the last few weeks
21:34.47Wizzup_server closes conn. or something
21:34.59ceenethat's probably solved on next release
21:35.00SiceloWizzup_: your number isn't blocked?
21:35.05ceenealthough i planned to release it next weekend
21:35.10ceenei may be able to release it earlier
21:35.15DerHatwizzup_ maybe your number is blocked, happen to my old number
21:35.23Wizzup_Sicelo: I don't think so, why would it?
21:35.27ceeneit depends on the free time i have tomorrow at work :P
21:35.39ceeneon the other hand, coderus has almost finished his libwa
21:35.47ceeneand i'd like yappari to be ported to his library
21:35.53ceenebut this is going to take a lot of time
21:35.59ceeneand i don't know if i have it :/
21:36.22ceenebut he's really the one who truly understands jabber and WA's particular implementation
21:38.05ceenealso, I think I've discovered that having a full / partition leads to lots of application crashes
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21:38.15ceeneso I'll make a note of that too
21:38.20ceenejust to warn people
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