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01:09.25ryukafalzis there a quick way to jump to the bottom of a list? e.g. a chatroom in the chat client. it seems to jump all the way to the top sometimes, and then it's a lot of scrolling to get back to the bottom
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09:15.38freemangordonSicelo: hmm, ging to try
09:22.05freemangordonSicelo: hmm, yeah, I guess the auth token has expired. But nevertheless sharig plugin should deal with that situation
09:22.11freemangordon*sharing
09:38.53Siceloyou mean by re-validating? or you mean something needs improving with the plugin?
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09:46.59freemangordonSicelo: yeah
09:47.19freemangordonthis "{"error":{"message":"(#200) Requires extended permission: publish_actions","type":"OAuthException","code":200}}" is the error
09:47.33freemangordonseems they have changes something
09:48.03freemangordonnow the errors are just ignored, I am fixing this
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10:15.09freemangordonSicelo: hmm, seems something is broken on FB side
10:15.31freemangordoneven after requesting auth again, I still can't share
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10:19.27freemangordonOMG, seems that someone removed all of the "Nokia N900" application permissions
10:19.34freemangordonWTF?
10:19.45princefakhanwhat?
10:21.37freemangordonprincefakhan: someone (Nokia? FB?) has removed all the permissions of Nokia FB application.
10:23.11princefakhanwhat. is it just fb.
10:23.14jonwilSounds like Facebook has blocked the Facebook API key used by Maemo
10:23.25princefakhanI think so too.
10:23.36jonwilNot that I care,
10:23.41jonwilI dont use Facebook :P
10:23.59jonwilThe answer might be to simply clone the Facebook bits and find another API key...
10:24.16jonwilunless there was something special about what the N900 FB app did
10:25.01freemangordonjonwil: no, I reimplemented the sharing plugin by useing the new FB API (graph API) and it was working for a while
10:25.43freemangordonjonwil: and it is not blocked, as I am able to get the auth token
10:26.03freemangordonbut application has permissins to do nothing :)
10:26.17jonwilWell turning off all the permissions is in practical terms the same thing as blocked :)
10:26.27freemangordonno, it is not the saem
10:26.29freemangordon*same
10:26.45freemangordonI can get user information for example
10:26.55freemangordonbut cannot publish on her behalf
10:27.04freemangordonI == application
10:28.00freemangordonI sent a message to Nokia FB lady, lets see what she will respond
10:32.54freemangordonhmm, someone make that application fubar. there are no administrators ?!?
10:33.30princefakhanthis is happening with the fb widget, isn't it?
10:34.04freemangordonit is the same application, yes
10:34.11princefakhanhmmm.
10:34.31princefakhanthere seems to be no problem with the IM service.
10:37.37freemangordonit is a different thing
10:38.23princefakhan:)
10:39.01princefakhanso it does not need any permission. how?
10:49.49freemangordonbecause it is using a different protocol
10:50.25scottca different protocol that was due to be disabled 2 days ago (!)
10:50.45princefakhanhmmm.
10:51.13freemangordonscottc: wasn't it supposed to be disabled on 15th of April?
10:51.27scottcI thought it was the 30th but I could be mistaken
10:51.29freemangordonxmpp afaik
10:51.43scottchttps://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat
10:51.59freemangordonoh, 30th
10:52.01scottc"After April 30th, 2015 apps will no longer be able to access the service or API. This includes both access to chat.facebook.com and the xmpp_login permission."
10:52.15freemangordonscottc: maybe it takes time
10:52.17scottcfor some reason I thought it was the 10th of May for a while too, no idea why
10:52.18scottcperhaps, yeah
10:52.32freemangordon*BUT* https://developers.facebook.com/docs/apps/api-v1-deprecation
10:52.43freemangordonI guess this is our problem with sharing application
10:53.04scottchuh
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10:54.28princefakhanthere was some protocol which was to be deprecated years ago but was done this year. I guess it was FB's.
10:55.13freemangordonscottc: "Require Login Review for all apps that use Facebook Login and ask people for permissions..."
10:55.19freemangordonthat's our problem
10:55.39KotCzarnyhehe
10:56.17scottcaha
10:56.24princefakhanoh. but I think the app opens the browser to login.
10:56.37freemangordonyes, so what?
10:56.37princefakhandoes it not?
10:56.57freemangordonextended permissions need to be reviewed and approved by FB
10:57.41princefakhanoh! I thought the users Login Review.
10:59.31freemangordonhow cute, chat API is deprecated, but there is no replacement
11:00.14scottc"Was this document helpful" NO
11:01.19freemangordonscottc: I sent an error report on 4th of april, still no reply
11:01.40scottctypical facebook
11:01.40freemangordonyou can't upload videos to FB which contain geo tags
11:01.52freemangordonand even put an example video on my webserver
11:01.57freemangordonnothing, but silense
11:02.02scottcgreat
11:02.14freemangordonI guess I will just close my account soon
11:02.16scottcI wish my friends weren't so reliant on Facebook
11:02.22scottcotherwise I already would have
11:02.48princefakhanI hope people knew the power of open source.
11:03.08antranigvmay the source be with you...
11:03.15antranigvuse the source, Luke!
11:03.28princefakhanand then we wouldnt need wa, fb, line and tons of other IM and video/audio calling bullshit
11:03.43antranigvXMPP for ever!
11:04.03antranigvi call my gf via Jabber call on our N900s :P
11:04.03princefakhanyeah. xmpp. why need tons of shit for the same thing.
11:04.08freemangordonprincefakhan: actually there are already tons of FOSS alternatives. well, maybe not to FB, but to all of the other stuff
11:04.40princefakhanyeah there are. but who uses them. the one who has a linux machine like us people.
11:04.51freemangordonhow's linux related?
11:05.09princefakhanoops. android is linux too. lol.
11:05.14antranigvpeople just need to understand about privacy and free software
11:05.24freemangordonpeople just CBA
11:05.29antranigvCBA?
11:05.33freemangordon~cba
11:05.33infobotrumour has it, cba is Can't Be Arsed.
11:05.44freemangordon== don;t care
11:05.59antranigvI converted many people to freesw and maemo/meego
11:06.25princefakhanthe point is. use somethin that is cross plattform. and not just iOS, Android, WP
11:06.51antranigvmy point is, as I always said, use technology, don't use/be products
11:06.59antranigvuse email, not gmail/hangouts
11:07.01freemangordonok, but when she buys her next device, it comes preinstalled with a pile of closed etc stuff
11:07.09antranigvuse xmpp, not 100 products that use xmpp
11:07.27KotCzarnypeople are lazy
11:07.30KotCzarnyits just that
11:07.44antranigvshe = my gf? she'll never change her device after the N900
11:07.49freemangordonso she simply uses what is on the device, without giving a damn whether it is foss/closed
11:07.49KotCzarnyand as usual its not about quality of the product, but marketing
11:07.50antranigvshe's in love the FCamera :D
11:08.06KotCzarnyand coercing bunch of them so the rest will follow
11:08.09princefakhanjust as freemangordon said, people just CBA
11:08.21freemangordonI speak in general, my lady uses N900 as daily device ;)
11:08.27antranigvnice!
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11:09.02antranigvthere is another problem.. the media
11:09.16princefakhanI hope I had a lady. so I could gift her a n900. and we would jabber/xmpp.
11:09.27princefakhanor neo900 when it releases.
11:09.34freemangordonand I turned out my ex-wife to a linux (well ubuntu) user. But that's not enough when the other people en masse use google devices
11:09.58antranigvthe media will never talk about how we use N900 in 2015, but will talk about windows 10 coming soon :P
11:10.06freemangordonprincefakhan: you'd better do other things with your lady, not jabber etc, otherwise you'll soon have no lady :P
11:10.07antranigvany news from the neo900?
11:10.18freemangordonantranigv: sisce when?
11:10.18antranigvlol freemangordon
11:10.21princefakhancuz, marketing. antranigv
11:10.29freemangordon*since
11:10.31princefakhanthey want money.
11:10.35scottcI wish the neo900 had a nicer screen, then I'd honestly use it as my main phone
11:10.39scottcjust not resistive touch
11:10.40scottcpls.
11:10.46freemangordonscottc: you have n900?
11:10.48scottcyeah
11:10.50princefakhan:D
11:10.53princefakhanhaha. freemangordon
11:10.55freemangordonand you don;t like the screen?!?
11:11.01scottcresistive touch is the only thing that i don't like about it
11:11.11freemangordonhmm, are you sure your device is ok?
11:11.15antranigvfreemangordon: Armenian and Russian IT always talks about MS stuff, and google. and etc
11:11.16princefakhanI dont like capacitive.
11:11.24princefakhanother than on those lumias
11:11.35scottcmy screen is very scratched and sometimes doesn't register touches
11:11.41scottcbut it was pre-owned and is in poor condition
11:11.47freemangordonscottc: oh, that makes sence then
11:11.56antranigvchange the screen
11:11.57antranigv:D
11:12.12freemangordonotherwise I am still to find a device with better touch behaviour than n900
11:12.23princefakhanresistive ftw.
11:12.27scottcgetting a new screen might cost more than this phone cost me :P it was only 40 euro!
11:12.35antranigvanyone tried alpine on N900?
11:12.42scottci didn't expect to see so much support for resistive touch, i better go hide :D
11:12.47freemangordonand I have access to lots of the so-called "flagship" device
11:13.16freemangordonscottc: see, your device is most-probably broken
11:13.34antranigvanyone here uses jolla?
11:13.51antranigvi remember once one said "we need maemo port on Jolla phone" :P
11:13.57antranigvand that made my day xD
11:14.06scottcmeee antranigv
11:14.08scottchaha
11:14.15freemangordonwhat for?
11:14.31Paliit would be even worse...
11:14.41Paligoogle is fucking email standards
11:14.50antranigvmy friend has jolla, he said he likes the N900 much more.
11:14.55antranigvwhat?
11:14.57freemangordonmakes sense
11:15.00antranigvgmail is standard?
11:15.12Palijust expects problems also with emails in near future
11:15.21antranigvyou need google account for jolla?
11:15.23antranigvaha~
11:15.26scottcI got my Jolla in February, N900 in March or April for fun and I like both :)
11:15.40Paligoogle has already implemented DMARC and SPF
11:15.42antranigvscottc: which one you like more?
11:16.08Paliwe can just wait until in gmail.com DNS record appear DMARC policy=reject
11:16.15freemangordonscottc: I've nere used jolla, but from the reviews, videos, etc, I think the UI is overengineered
11:16.22Paliand all mailing lists stopped working with gmail.com addresses
11:16.34antranigvGoogle. killing the net since, lately.
11:16.49scottcantranigv: it depends really. n900 feels much more hackable and "linux", but a bit slower than the jolla. jolla's is getting better all the time though
11:16.56antranigvthen, there will be 2 type of people. who move to gmail and who don't.
11:17.06scottcfreemangordon: I really like the UI, I find it very intuitive
11:17.14antranigvI think we need the same N90 with better, hardware?
11:17.19freemangordonwell, we can only hope EU to take countermeasures
11:17.25antranigvsay, camera, CPU, RAM.
11:17.28Palino, then there will be: people who leave gmail and who not
11:18.01freemangordonPali: I am not sure I understand what exactly google are doing, could you elaborate?
11:18.06antranigvthe only reason I have a gmail account is youtube. hope will install mediagoblin on my server soon.
11:19.10PaliDMARC is solution how to define policy stored in DNS for DKIM and SPF
11:19.14freemangordonscottc: how is jolla compared to harmattan?
11:20.01PaliDKIM is diginal signature of some email headers stored in email. signature is done by SMTP server with private key (which owns only sending SMTP server)
11:20.24PaliDMARC specify policies what to do if DKIM signature is invalid or missing
11:20.38scottcfreemangordon: I've never actually used harmattan, unfortunately. i wanted to pick up an N9 to try it out but haven't found one cheaply.
11:20.58Paliobviosly, when you are sending emails from mailinglist STMP server it does not have private keys of gmai.com and therfore cannot sign those emails
11:21.04antranigvscottc: I was thinking about buying a N9 as well.
11:21.34antranigvis there FCamera for N9 ?
11:21.42Palialso mailinglist servers changing subject header (adding [list] prefix) and therefore if there is DKIM signature, it is invalid
11:21.46scottcantranigv: I'd like to try one, but I'm not sure how practical it would be...
11:22.09freemangordonPali: oh, so the result will be - "only use our web interface and android devices"?
11:22.45Paliin DNS (gmail.com) record can be specified DMARC policy... e.g reject poclicy means to drop all emails from @gmail.com address without valid DKIM signature
11:23.00Paliand all systems which support DMARC must follow records in DNS
11:23.18Paliand signing key is only avalilable at smtp.gmail.com
11:23.40Paliso you need to use that smtp server for sending emails (or web interface which do that too internally)
11:23.54Palibut DMARC policy for gmail is not reject yet
11:24.02freemangordonmhm
11:24.05antranigvscottc: I find N9 very sexy.
11:24.05Palibut it is expected to change in near future
11:24.11scottcantranigv: me too!
11:24.50antranigvit would be nice to have maemo port on N9, if there is not yet.
11:25.09freemangordonscottc: antranigv: I have n950, and I can tell you that besides being prettier than n900, it losses by several laps in terms of usability
11:25.22scottcfreemangordon: just due to the OS? hmm
11:25.27freemangordonnot only
11:25.29scottcI'd like an n950 too, seems like a nice device
11:25.32scottcthen how so?
11:25.35freemangordononly seems
11:25.42Palibasically I as mailing list admin will disallow sending emails from such hosts (with policy=reject) to mailing list to prevent lot of bouncing (as everybody with DMARC verifycation does not accept those emails...)
11:26.08antranigvyay you freemangordon :( are you a nokia dev?
11:26.18freemangordonhmm, no. how so?
11:26.24Palias I said... I suggest everybody to stop using all google/gmail services, emails, etc... now!
11:26.29freemangordon:D
11:26.43antranigvPali: any idea for youtube alternative?
11:26.43freemangordonbut...but.. what is the alternative?
11:26.53Paliown hosting
11:26.58antranigvfreemangordon: check http://prism-break.org/
11:27.02scottcown hosting is such a pain in the ass
11:27.02freemangordonbrign up my own e-mail server?
11:27.09scottcprotonmail.ch looks good though
11:27.20Paliyes and without those fucking SPF, DMARC, ...
11:27.25antranigvyup, I did that one year ago, and now I;m happy~
11:27.47antranigvnow I have personal xmpp server, email, blog, etc.
11:27.47freemangordonhmm, I'll politely as maemo admins to register an account on maemo.org for me :D
11:27.59freemangordon*ask
11:28.17antranigvit would be nice to have user@member.maemo.org jabber accounts
11:28.31antranigvusing prosody, to sync the maemo.org accounts.
11:28.43freemangordonanyway the only thing I use my gmail account is to post on LKML
11:29.03antranigvfreemangordon: you can do the same without gmail.
11:29.09Palihttps://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/gmail.com
11:29.14Palipolicy is still none
11:29.35Palibut those who have @google.com address have policy quarantine
11:29.38Palihttps://dmarcian.com/dmarc-inspector/google.com
11:29.38freemangordonantranigv: yes, but my other account os on a server I have only http access to. no pop3 or smtp
11:30.44antranigvfreemangordon: how much do you pay for a service like that? the best as i can see is digital ocean
11:30.55antranigvjust 5$ a month, and you get a complete server
11:31.29antranigvyou can also have a owncloud lol :P
11:31.32freemangordonantranigv: it is free. but it is a public mail sever
11:31.38freemangordonabv.bg
11:32.01antranigvrussian?
11:32.05freemangordonbulgarian
11:32.14antranigvso similar
11:32.19freemangordonreally?
11:32.31antranigvI can read it :D
11:32.36freemangordon:D
11:32.51antranigvhow much space for files?
11:33.08freemangordon3GB or somesuch
11:33.23antranigvohh that's much for free
11:33.23freemangordonoh, 10GB
11:33.35freemangordon"Използвате  1 %  Ð¾Ñ‚  10000 MB  Ð»Ð¸Ð¼Ð¸Ñ‚ "
11:33.50freemangordonthis is "you use 1% of 10000 MB limit"
11:33.55antranigv:D
11:34.27freemangordonalso, there is file sharing service
11:35.47antranigvit's nice, I was going to show you another service, with IMAP, but it's only 100MB :D
11:36.08RzRhi are there any kernel committers around ?
11:36.22freemangordonRzR: which kernel? :)
11:36.31RzRfreex
11:36.41freemangordon~freex
11:36.54freemangordon~wiki freex
11:37.28freemangordonhmm, a comic book?
11:37.33RzRFreax
11:37.42RzRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Naming
11:37.50RzRmainline
11:38.11RzRI have a patch to send to maintainers but pre review is welcome
11:38.23freemangordonnone I am aware of, not sure if nishant has push rights
11:38.24RzR<PROTECTED>
11:40.50PaliRzR: its ok, go ahead
11:41.06freemangordonRzR: you can add my "Reviewed by:" if it helps
11:41.06RzRIt's based on master branch it's the good way to do this ?
11:41.16RzRSure I can
11:41.43freemangordonRzR: but I am not the maintainer of that file, so it doesn;t make much of a sesne
11:41.59freemangordonRzR: just git-send-mail that patch to lkml
11:42.04Paliuse git format-patch to generate patch file
11:42.14Palithen use ./scripts/get_maintainers.pl <patch_file> to get list of maintainers
11:42.38freemangordonPali: oh, what was that script called, for patch checking?
11:42.42Paliand then use git send-email <patch_file> --to='email1' --to='email2' ... for senfing patch file
11:42.59Palifreemangordon: ./scripts/check_patch.pl
11:43.02freemangordonyeah
11:43.09freemangordonRzR: use ^^^ before sending
11:43.38freemangordonas I am not sure github correctly shows whitespaces
11:43.45RzRbbl
11:52.27RzRcan't I just use git send-email ?
11:52.32RzRyea
11:52.40RzRok
11:52.52RzRI know what to do now
11:53.17PaliRzR: git send-email can be configured to use smtp server instead local sendmail (if you need it)
12:00.21RzRthx i got it working fine
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14:49.24Lord_Farkensteinhello bots
14:49.28Lord_Farkensteinsits back cracks open a beer and reaches for some popcorn
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15:12.27Lord_Farkensteinwakes up to find samurai chicken's playing
15:15.28Lord_Farkensteinhears the sound of a giant chicken marching to the slaughter...
15:15.41Lord_Farkensteinappreciates surround sound
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18:14.10princefakhan_hello.
18:14.20princefakhan_just testing.
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18:15.31princefakhan_I recieve a "cannot send to this channel" on another channel
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18:16.25merlin1991princefakhan: could be that the channel is +m and you don't have voice
18:17.24princefakhanno it is not.
18:17.43merlin1991interesting
18:17.58princefakhanit is only happening with my secondary nick.
18:18.15princefakhanguess that's because u have to register urself there.
18:18.32princefakhanI can have contact with this nick.
18:19.59princefakhanI have been having frequent connects/disconnects too today.
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18:25.34honestly<PROTECTED>
18:26.23princefakhanyes honestly honestly
18:32.59princefakhanmerlin1991, u work on cssu-thumb?
18:45.40merlin1991princefakhan: freemangordon does
18:45.45merlin1991I just provide hosting
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18:49.05princefakhanhmmm. right.
18:49.50itsupportMy favorite dish is potatoe. anyone else?
18:49.51princefakhanI wanted to know what are the cssu dev are doing these days.
18:50.05princefakhanmaybe something exciting.
18:50.34itsupportoh hm what
18:50.51KotCzarnyyou should ask for permission before bringing talking bot
18:51.29itsupportI'm sorry
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19:54.24DerHatHi, is Nitrdroid realy using 1150Mhz as default cpu frequency like described in NITDroid_FAQ?
19:54.48DerHatlast time i overclocked maemo to 1150 i got a freeze after less then 1 sec
19:55.25princefakhanit must be if its in the official faqs
20:03.54ShadowJKafaik, freemangordon's "dsp" profile works to 950, but you need other profiles to go beyond that
20:04.08freemangordonit is 805
20:04.31ShadowJKAh right
20:04.36freemangordon805 CPU 600 DSP
20:04.59freemangordonanything beyond that is too much for my taste
20:05.03DerHatStability Issues?
20:05.05DerHatNITDroid uses 500 1150 default CPU clock settings which....
20:05.15DerHatcopyied from faq
20:05.27freemangordonyes, stability and EM considerations
20:07.10ShadowJKI keep mine at 600 most of the time, occasionally at 905
20:07.37DerHatwell, after i installed nitdroid i cannot boot maemo anymore, pressing 0 or 1 in boot menu results a boot-menu-loop ):
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20:10.46princefakhanany news about n15
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20:41.58merlin1991b.e.e.r.
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21:37.02DerHatlooks like maemo kernel is not avaiaible or not accessable, can i install it from nitdroid terminal??
21:38.10bencohwhat do you mean by "not available" ?
21:38.14bencohand how do you know ?
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21:41.42DerHaton the boot screen, there is some boot informations like kernel, params, filesystem etc... when i try boot maemo there is everything without "Kernel" information empty! somebody posted in forum he reflashed maemo kernel and works for him.
21:42.08DerHatwhen i hit 1 the "modules" field shows ext3
21:42.23DerHatkernel is "2.6.27omap1"
21:55.55Sicelothat was never an N900 kernel. 2.6.28 is the lowest that we know of (not saying .27 wouldn't work)
21:57.05ShadowJKI vaguely recall maemo userland relies on some kernel features?
21:59.29DerHatwhat can i do now to recover maemo? is there an other way then reflash device using a pc?
22:00.18DerHatnitdroid is running well, maybe i can flash from there:P?
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22:12.09Siceloflash the kernel only
22:12.24bencohyou can also try booting with a supplied kernel
22:12.54bencoh(from usb)
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22:20.41DerHatbencoh can you explain or give me a link?
22:22.14DerHathave this something to do with pressing u while boot device?
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22:27.54bencohDerHat: flasher allows you to "load" a kernel/initrd instead of flashing it
22:28.09bencoh-l instead of -f iirc
22:28.22bencoh(not sure about that one, check the syntax)
22:28.46DerHatyou re right, sounds like a fail-save method
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23:19.04DerHatlol, i think just the maemo boot entry in bootloader is incorrect. maybe i can fix it
23:29.54DerHati found boot menu entries, folder is read only so i cant change them :/ also tryed chmod +r multiboot.d result is: "Bad Mode"
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