| 00:00.40 | krbtgt_ | the stock one - use the volume buttons |
| 00:02.09 | pentanol | I need photos viewer, not video |
| 00:02.32 | krbtgt_ | it views pictures |
| 00:02.57 | pentanol | wow |
| 00:03.02 | pentanol | that's it |
| 00:12.47 | krbtgt_ | fighting ham is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy |
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| 00:33.14 | krbtgt_ | i'd prefer to do this upgrade over HAM but with it blowing away the mirror it's pretty hard |
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| 06:33.29 | KotCzarny | krbtgt_: maybe you have installed some packages from other repos and now you have conflicts |
| 06:34.05 | KotCzarny | instead of fighting in ham try apt-get way |
| 06:34.34 | KotCzarny | in the worst case you might try removing them or forcibly installing via dpkg |
| 06:37.07 | KotCzarny | well, otherwise just backup and flash stock image |
| 06:37.12 | KotCzarny | might be faster |
| 06:37.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:49.01 | KotCzarny | or maybe already prepared cssu or cssu-thumb image if there is such thing |
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| 07:31.55 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: did you play with maemo-launcher? any result? |
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| 08:02.49 | bencoh | freemangordon_: havent tried it yet |
| 08:06.04 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: http://pastebin.com/uuBp3JiF |
| 08:07.09 | freemangordon_ | time is ~550 with QGuiApplication *gui... commented, vs ~290 with those 2 lines uncommented on my laptop |
| 08:08.29 | freemangordon_ | going to try on the device |
| 08:17.08 | bencoh | hmm |
| 08:21.25 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: on device it is ~880 vs ~960, using QCoreApplication (seems there is no QGuiApplication in qt4.7) |
| 08:23.13 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: by using QApplication, time is reduced to ~220, but there are some UI artifacts |
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| 08:24.54 | freemangordon_ | oh, wait, actually those are not artifacts :) |
| 08:24.55 | bencoh | hmm² |
| 08:26.11 | bencoh | so ... it means we'd save at most 10% by writing a qt launcher ? |
| 08:26.39 | bencoh | or am I missing something ? |
| 08:27.01 | KotCzarny | save 10% time but lose part of memory? |
| 08:27.13 | KotCzarny | so it will slow rest of the system? |
| 08:27.33 | freemangordon_ | 960 vs 220 is not 10% |
| 08:27.41 | freemangordon_ | if I remember what math is :P |
| 08:27.45 | bencoh | oh, 960 vs 220 |
| 08:27.46 | bencoh | nevermind |
| 08:28.04 | KotCzarny | you wrote 960 vs 880 |
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| 08:28.13 | bencoh | I see :) |
| 08:28.26 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: read it again, please |
| 08:28.53 | KotCzarny | right, missed it too |
| 08:28.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:29.46 | freemangordon_ | but it seems creating qapplication twice, leads that the "real" application is started with GTK style, instead of maemo style |
| 08:29.57 | bencoh | funny |
| 08:30.23 | bencoh | now wait, isnt precisely why it seems to be running "faster" ? |
| 08:30.27 | bencoh | +it |
| 08:30.32 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 08:31.05 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: look at the code |
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| 08:32.43 | bencoh | yeah I'm reading it (10:30am, I should be fully awake ...) |
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| 08:33.08 | freemangordon_ | http://pastebin.com/Rm6PbFt6 |
| 08:33.15 | freemangordon_ | this is the latest |
| 08:33.39 | bencoh | now that's different :) |
| 08:33.49 | freemangordon_ | see where is QTime::elapsed qDebug()'ed |
| 08:33.55 | bencoh | yeah |
| 08:35.16 | bencoh | (before widgets get drawn ?) |
| 08:36.06 | freemangordon_ | yes |
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| 08:44.34 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:51.34 | freemangordon_ | dammit, the wifi I am connected to drives me mad, it disconnects every now and then :( |
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| 09:09.25 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 09:15.53 | bencoh | hmm, looks like https://gitorious.org/meegotouch/maemo-applauncherd hasnt been transfered to github (?) |
| 09:22.26 | bencoh | nor did we move maemo-af (?!) |
| 09:22.49 | KotCzarny | maybe write a script that would check all of the components ? |
| 09:23.18 | bencoh | I thought it was done already, but ... |
| 09:24.18 | bencoh | ooh, that might be on maemo.org ... dunno where though |
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| 09:59.45 | bencoh | freemangordon_: looks like maemo-launcher inits every booster for every app |
| 09:59.56 | freemangordon_ | hmm? |
| 10:00.12 | freemangordon_ | that doesn't make sense |
| 10:00.24 | bencoh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.33 | freemangordon_ | ooh |
| 10:00.38 | bencoh | in the child (after fork and before launch_process) |
| 10:00.57 | bencoh | and boosters_init loops on ... well, the boosters chained list |
| 10:01.02 | freemangordon_ | do we have problem with that? |
| 10:01.10 | bencoh | dunno, maybe |
| 10:01.30 | freemangordon_ | i doubt, after all there should not be n=much work done in that function |
| 10:01.33 | bencoh | if we add a qt booster, gtk apps would init a qt env as well |
| 10:01.39 | bencoh | dunno how long it takes |
| 10:02.11 | freemangordon_ | wait, what is "qt env"? |
| 10:02.11 | freemangordon_ | it is init *before* fork |
| 10:02.28 | freemangordon_ | once , not for every program. that is the whole point |
| 10:02.34 | bencoh | preinit is launched once and for all |
| 10:02.39 | bencoh | init is done for every program |
| 10:02.40 | freemangordon_ | :nod: |
| 10:02.52 | bencoh | I dont know what should go there for qt |
| 10:03.11 | freemangordon_ | instantiating a QApplication ;) |
| 10:03.22 | bencoh | in init ? |
| 10:03.36 | bencoh | you mean preinit I guess :) |
| 10:03.55 | freemangordon_ | yes, preinit |
| 10:04.06 | bencoh | yeah, but what about init ? :) |
| 10:04.46 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: see http://pastebin.com/364z6i1H |
| 10:04.50 | bencoh | booster_gtk_init sets an idler, I wonder why |
| 10:05.17 | freemangordon_ | bencoh: maybe we'll need to do some hackery because of the QApplication being singelton |
| 10:05.26 | freemangordon_ | or argv parsing |
| 10:05.50 | bencoh | hmm |
| 10:07.37 | KotCzarny | please check memory footprint before and after |
| 10:08.06 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: which memory footprint? parent or child process? |
| 10:08.15 | bencoh | both I guess :] |
| 10:08.33 | bencoh | shouldnt change much for the child though |
| 10:08.37 | KotCzarny | does that preloader keep apps in memory? |
| 10:08.42 | freemangordon_ | no |
| 10:08.46 | KotCzarny | when it inits them all |
| 10:08.54 | freemangordon_ | it keeps libraries in memory |
| 10:09.26 | KotCzarny | ok, then check how much it stores, wouldnt help if system has to swap more |
| 10:09.28 | freemangordon_ | however, /me needs some food, bbl |
| 10:09.31 | bencoh | libraries, and its own copy of initialized structures (that's the point of it) |
| 10:09.42 | freemangordon_ | :nod: |
| 10:10.05 | bencoh | (because library objects are already taken care of by ld) |
| 10:10.08 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: we don't really car if it swaps more, as long as apps launch faster |
| 10:10.13 | freemangordon_ | *care |
| 10:10.19 | KotCzarny | ... |
| 10:10.29 | KotCzarny | but then multitasking suffers |
| 10:11.34 | freemangordon_ | suffers as in? I'd prefer to have clock-ui launched in 2 seconds instead of 6, no matter that browser in background will have 1 second delay |
| 10:11.56 | KotCzarny | as in swapping in and out |
| 10:12.08 | bencoh | actually it depends on what you're swapping |
| 10:12.08 | KotCzarny | flash is slow |
| 10:12.37 | KotCzarny | and i would really want more free ram than having clock ran 4s faster |
| 10:12.50 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: also, keep in mind that more things in swap doesn't necessarily mean more lag |
| 10:13.01 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: wrong, you don;t need free RAM |
| 10:13.10 | freemangordon_ | what you need is used memory ;) |
| 10:13.14 | bencoh | let's say a page with only memleaked structures gets swapped ... you'll never try to access it, so it's not an issue (apart from eating swap) |
| 10:13.23 | freemangordon_ | correct |
| 10:13.35 | bencoh | but if you happen to access a variable in this page ... you're doomed |
| 10:13.42 | bencoh | you'll keep swapping back and forth |
| 10:14.24 | freemangordon_ | what we need to do is to check launcherd mamory usage *before* and *after* qt booster |
| 10:14.29 | freemangordon_ | *memory |
| 10:14.39 | KotCzarny | i dont mind swapping on pc, but on n900 flash wears out |
| 10:14.50 | KotCzarny | that is also a concern to me |
| 10:14.54 | bencoh | ooh |
| 10:14.59 | bencoh | well then, swap on microsd ;) |
| 10:15.10 | freemangordon_ | :nod: |
| 10:15.12 | freemangordon_ | :) |
| 10:15.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:15.17 | freemangordon_ | is afk |
| 10:15.44 | KotCzarny | isnt microsd unmounted when usb connects? |
| 10:16.03 | KotCzarny | *doom* |
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| 10:19.56 | bencoh | not exactly |
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| 11:20.09 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: what is unmounted, is what was previously mounted. swap is never mounted |
| 11:26.07 | KotCzarny | but if i undestand how it's shared, WHOLE card is shared as a single block device, so any partition cant be used |
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| 11:28.56 | freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: no, at least in CSSU, only the first fat partition is exported |
| 11:29.20 | KotCzarny | that has positive and negative sides |
| 11:29.26 | freemangordon_ | sure |
| 11:29.42 | freemangordon_ | but you have no problems if swap is on uSD |
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| 15:37.11 | freemangordon | bencoh: "Apr 30 18:23:14 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[16457]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 644745 usec " :) |
| 15:37.25 | freemangordon | still no qt accel though |
| 15:37.35 | bencoh | oh |
| 15:37.38 | freemangordon | only gtk and cpp |
| 15:37.41 | bencoh | well I have a patch here but havent tried it |
| 15:37.49 | freemangordon | what for? |
| 15:38.02 | bencoh | qt accel in maemo-launcher |
| 15:38.22 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d2fecc06e |
| 15:39.27 | bencoh | I dunno why I have a strange error when including QMaemo5Style so it's commented out for now |
| 15:39.49 | freemangordon | what error? |
| 15:40.09 | freemangordon | btw i made a similar patch to yours, without actual code though |
| 15:40.20 | bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d4822ee03 |
| 15:40.20 | freemangordon | with only enabling qt-booster |
| 15:41.06 | freemangordon | bencoh: you're missing a lot of defines |
| 15:41.09 | bencoh | I looked at the gtkmm-booster, it doesnt do anything in preinit |
| 15:41.14 | bencoh | oh okay |
| 15:41.28 | bencoh | I've never used QMaemo5Style, so ... :) |
| 15:42.01 | bencoh | or do you mean, Qt defines ? |
| 15:42.21 | freemangordon | yes |
| 15:42.35 | freemangordon | see the trickery I did https://github.com/community-ssu/feedservice-plugin-fb-common/blob/master/src/oauth/Makefile.am |
| 15:42.54 | bencoh | ugly. |
| 15:42.55 | bencoh | :) |
| 15:43.05 | freemangordon | yeah, I know |
| 15:43.06 | bencoh | qmake yay .... :) |
| 15:43.20 | freemangordon | but did not find other way to get platform qmake defines |
| 15:43.35 | bencoh | I might be missing -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB |
| 15:43.51 | freemangordon | and several others :) |
| 15:44.02 | bencoh | think so ? dunno |
| 15:44.08 | freemangordon | I am sure |
| 15:44.12 | KotCzarny | hacking software - ultimate geek game |
| 15:44.16 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:44.55 | bencoh | tbh I dont really like qt, so ... ;) |
| 15:45.18 | freemangordon | -D_REENTRANT -DQT_GL_NO_SCISSOR_TEST -DQT_DEFAULT_TEXTURE_GLYPH_CACHE_WIDTH=1024 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_MAEMO5_LIB -DQT_DBUS_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED |
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| 15:45.37 | freemangordon | that's just an example |
| 15:45.50 | freemangordon | tbh I like it :) (qt) |
| 15:46.18 | KotCzarny | looks like a lot of libs being loaded |
| 15:47.04 | freemangordon | ok, lets try with qt booster |
| 15:52.25 | freemangordon | "Jan 2 06:15:48 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[2099]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 110321 usec" |
| 15:53.06 | freemangordon | ok, lets see what will happen if we have qapplication instance :) |
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| 16:18.43 | freemangordon | bencoh: qmameo5style error can be workarounded if you change the header files order :) |
| 16:19.04 | bencoh | meh :( |
| 16:23.37 | freemangordon | hmm, ok, qith qapplication in booster-qt, hildon-desktop won't start :D |
| 16:23.42 | freemangordon | *with |
| 16:34.09 | bencoh | huhu |
| 16:34.13 | bencoh | I was afraid of that |
| 16:36.16 | freemangordon | rescueos to the rescue :) |
| 16:36.52 | bencoh | yeahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:36.59 | bencoh | wooops, silly bug. "yeah" :) |
| 16:37.55 | bencoh | maybe we should fork another maemo-launcher with qt only |
| 16:38.06 | freemangordon | hmm, why? |
| 16:38.17 | freemangordon | will only waste resources |
| 16:38.41 | freemangordon | it will need gtk and cpp boosters as well |
| 16:38.59 | sixwheeledbeast | did someone say fork? |
| 16:39.04 | sixwheeledbeast | ;) |
| 16:39.17 | freemangordon | oh |
| 16:39.19 | freemangordon | :) |
| 16:42.08 | freemangordon | ooh: "Maemo applications must be run with the run-standalone.sh script!" |
| 16:46.27 | freemangordon | "maemo-launcher: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 71228 usec" |
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| 17:30.05 | bencoh | wait, what ? 71ms ? |
| 17:30.44 | bencoh | freemangordon: what did you change ? |
| 17:30.52 | bencoh | (to make hildon-desktop start) |
| 17:35.24 | freemangordon | disabled qt booster, then started maemo-launcher from terminal (with qt booster enabled) |
| 17:35.33 | freemangordon | to achieve those 71 ms |
| 17:35.49 | bencoh | oh, okay |
| 17:36.10 | bencoh | and the 110321 usec was with qtbooster but without qapplication in preinit() ? |
| 17:36.18 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:36.29 | freemangordon | but actually it is qcoreapplication now |
| 17:36.32 | bencoh | and 644745 usec with cpp ? |
| 17:36.35 | freemangordon | otherwise bad things happen |
| 17:36.41 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:36.43 | bencoh | oh, sad ... okay |
| 17:36.46 | freemangordon | cpp+gtk |
| 17:36.48 | bencoh | well |
| 17:36.54 | freemangordon | well, 71 is not that bad |
| 17:37.00 | bencoh | it's great |
| 17:37.06 | freemangordon | actually the UI appears in 1.5s |
| 17:37.10 | bencoh | but 110321 isnt bad either, if hildon-desktop works |
| 17:37.24 | bencoh | 1.5s vs ... ? |
| 17:37.28 | freemangordon | but with some more smoke and mirrors... it will look great :D |
| 17:37.34 | freemangordon | vs 3-5 |
| 17:37.34 | KotCzarny | 110321 is 0.1s |
| 17:37.52 | bencoh | yeah we know that |
| 17:38.00 | bencoh | :) |
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| 17:38.17 | KotCzarny | drat, those changing contexts |
| 17:38.28 | bencoh | 1.5s is the perceived time between "click on icon" and "woohoo, window popped" I suppose |
| 17:38.39 | freemangordon | bencoh: I guess you can check the vs by symply starting worldclock :P |
| 17:38.49 | freemangordon | bencoh: yes |
| 17:38.50 | bencoh | freemangordon: cssu-stable here ;) |
| 17:38.55 | freemangordon | oh |
| 17:38.55 | bencoh | it's blazing fast |
| 17:38.56 | bencoh | ;p |
| 17:39.00 | freemangordon | how fast? |
| 17:39.03 | bencoh | (worldclock) |
| 17:39.05 | bencoh | lemme see |
| 17:39.12 | bencoh | where do you run it from ? hildon-status-menu ? |
| 17:39.15 | freemangordon | yes |
| 17:39.21 | freemangordon | "clock and alarms" |
| 17:39.49 | bencoh | hm more than 2sec I'd say |
| 17:39.57 | bencoh | maybe not that fast :) |
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| 17:40.22 | freemangordon | :) |
| 17:40.26 | bencoh | yeah a bit more than 2sec |
| 17:40.27 | freemangordon | how much? 2s? |
| 17:40.31 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 17:40.59 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: cssu on your device? |
| 17:41.02 | bencoh | did you rebuild worldclock ? |
| 17:41.20 | KotCzarny | nope, stock |
| 17:41.22 | freemangordon | yes, ofc |
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| 17:41.50 | freemangordon | bencoh: BTW, is UI responsive right after it appears? |
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| 17:43.20 | freemangordon | or you are presented a screenshot? |
| 17:43.54 | bencoh | it's responsive |
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| 17:44.38 | freemangordon | ok |
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| 17:46.50 | bencoh | I dont think I've ever seen a "screenshot" |
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| 17:59.44 | kerio | what's a decent jabber client that's not Contacts? |
| 17:59.58 | bencoh | pidgin ? |
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| 18:36.35 | sixwheeledbeast | I like how jabber works with Contacts TBH. |
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| 18:43.34 | krbtgt_ | it's probably one of the few mobile OSes to do IM right |
| 18:43.37 | krbtgt_ | (along with webOS) |
| 18:43.49 | krbtgt_ | SMS, Skype, XMPP, Facebook convos all with one consistent UI |
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| 19:04.05 | bencoh | freemangordon: btw, when I said "cssu-stable" I was implying I'm still using stock worldclock ... dunno if that was clear :) |
| 19:05.59 | freemangordon | yeah |
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| 19:28.02 | KotCzarny | what i dislike about n900 is low battery situations |
| 19:28.42 | KotCzarny | just now i didnt check battery level and received a call, obviously it turned itself off after few secs |
| 19:28.55 | KotCzarny | but now it cant turn on unless charged for how long? |
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| 19:29.02 | KotCzarny | 1-2 mins is not enough |
| 19:29.35 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: replace your battery |
| 19:29.46 | KotCzarny | nope, its not that |
| 19:29.57 | KotCzarny | that situation is since i got it |
| 19:30.16 | KotCzarny | when battery was brand new it behaved same way |
| 19:30.16 | freemangordon | it is, unless you've been warned a couple of thimes that your battery is low |
| 19:30.22 | freemangordon | *times |
| 19:30.42 | freemangordon | how old is that battery? |
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| 19:30.45 | KotCzarny | i probably was, but phone was unused whole day |
| 19:30.51 | KotCzarny | s/i/it/ |
| 19:31.16 | freemangordon | so? how old is the battery? |
| 19:31.17 | KotCzarny | so 'battery low' was probably displayed, just didnt get a chance to see it |
| 19:31.21 | KotCzarny | 2009 ? |
| 19:31.23 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:31.32 | freemangordon | oh, sure, it is not the battery ;) |
| 19:31.53 | KotCzarny | i get solid 5-6 days of standby still |
| 19:32.10 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: you're aware that internal battery resistance increases with time? |
| 19:32.14 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 19:32.19 | freemangordon | standby does not matter |
| 19:32.40 | KotCzarny | yes, but still im talking about something else |
| 19:32.59 | freemangordon | so, when you receive a phone call, with that increased resistance, the voltage drops bellow emergency shutdown level. |
| 19:33.20 | KotCzarny | im not talking about powering off, because most likely it was already at the red bar |
| 19:33.28 | KotCzarny | im talking about trying to turn it on |
| 19:33.40 | ShadowJK_ | I can turn it on instantly after attaching charger |
| 19:33.40 | KotCzarny | and mind you, it was the same story even when new |
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| 19:33.51 | freemangordon | ShadowJK_: me too |
| 19:33.54 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 19:34.05 | freemangordon | polarcell here, ~1 yo |
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| 19:34.37 | KotCzarny | apparently it stops chargine on reboot/boot |
| 19:34.43 | KotCzarny | and powerkernel boots twice |
| 19:35.00 | KotCzarny | and yellow light turn off during boot |
| 19:35.12 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: trust me, just replace your battery. with powercell, ~1600 mAh |
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| 19:35.49 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: bootloader charges up to a threshold(voltage), after which it boots the linux kernel. |
| 19:35.59 | KotCzarny | nah, if i'll be replacing i will get double cap one |
| 19:36.03 | KotCzarny | already got the cover |
| 19:36.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:36.22 | freemangordon | but because your battery is with decreased capacity, it can;t hod until bme is started |
| 19:36.27 | freemangordon | *hold |
| 19:36.41 | freemangordon | ShadowJK_: correct? ^^^ |
| 19:36.46 | KotCzarny | why cant it just run on charger power? |
| 19:36.53 | KotCzarny | droid can |
| 19:37.21 | freemangordon | heh |
| 19:37.23 | KotCzarny | and i think its the reason why n900 cant run without battery |
| 19:37.58 | freemangordon | because n900 *does not* know what tpe of charger it is attached to |
| 19:38.03 | freemangordon | before bme runs |
| 19:38.06 | ShadowJK_ | Electrically it can run without battery, though not on 2G unless you sit right next to celltower |
| 19:39.12 | KotCzarny | ShadowJK_: you can turn on n900 without battery? |
| 19:39.37 | ShadowJK_ | It turns on, software sees battery is missing, and turns off ;) |
| 19:39.46 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 19:50.36 | KotCzarny | and another thing that irks me is usb port on the top (when talking) |
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| 20:35.42 | bencoh | polarcell <3 |
| 20:35.57 | bencoh | but they're 1500mAh, not 1600mAh ... at least for mine |
| 20:38.04 | freemangordon | mine is > 1600, if we should trus bq chip |
| 20:38.32 | bencoh | lucky :) |
| 20:38.49 | bencoh | bq says ~1490-ish |
| 20:53.11 | KotCzarny | last measured discharge on mine is 1185 |
| 20:53.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:54.02 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: oh, just like a new battery :) |
| 20:54.09 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:54.15 | KotCzarny | - internal resistance |
| 20:54.29 | KotCzarny | but yes, quite a lot after 6 years for a liion |
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| 23:09.37 | Win7Mac | my desktop graphics card just seemed to die today... updated drivers and stuff to no avail :( |
| 23:09.50 | Win7Mac | Then I read about baking them... |
| 23:10.17 | Win7Mac | so aluminium foil around it and 30 mins later at ~125° C - it works again!!! |
| 23:10.27 | KotCzarny | temporary solution |
| 23:10.30 | Win7Mac | is very impressed |
| 23:10.32 | KotCzarny | it will die again |
| 23:10.42 | Win7Mac | :( |
| 23:11.00 | KotCzarny | bad solder |
| 23:11.04 | KotCzarny | bad design |
| 23:11.40 | Win7Mac | Gigabyte GTX 470OC |
| 23:12.09 | KotCzarny | no warranty? |
| 23:12.21 | Win7Mac | ~4 years old |
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| 23:13.42 | Win7Mac | how much time am I supposed to gain before it dies again? |
| 23:13.56 | KotCzarny | may be days, may be months |
| 23:15.58 | KotCzarny | if reballing costs less than 1/4 of the card do it, otherwise just buy new card |
| 23:17.46 | ecc3g | found this |
| 23:17.51 | ecc3g | whoops |
| 23:17.55 | ecc3g | ignore that |
| 23:17.56 | ecc3g | :D |
| 23:18.10 | RiD | Win7Mac i did a ghetto ass reflow on my GTX 470, it lasted 6 months |
| 23:18.29 | Win7Mac | guess ill have to look for a new card then |
| 23:18.32 | RiD | then it died again, did another reflow, and ran out of thermal paste |
| 23:18.39 | RiD | so i dont know if it still works |
| 23:18.44 | RiD | too lazy to put some new paste in there |
| 23:18.53 | Win7Mac | ghetto ass reflow? |
| 23:18.57 | KotCzarny | baking |
| 23:18.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 23:19.07 | Win7Mac | :) |
| 23:19.12 | RiD | not on the oven |
| 23:19.29 | RiD | i dont know the name but uh, i happen to have a "heat" gun? |
| 23:19.48 | RiD | i have to set it on one of the lowest levels or the whole thing melts |
| 23:20.04 | Win7Mac | hehe |
| 23:20.25 | RiD | 6 months was still nice |
| 23:20.25 | ecc3g | I have a heat gun used for paint stripping, its fan was strong enough to blow off a surface mount PCB I was testing it on... heh |
| 23:20.28 | Win7Mac | baking (oven) is more even i guess |
| 23:20.50 | RiD | yeah, some say to apply more heat on the "main" chip tho, i don't know |
| 23:20.52 | Win7Mac | and no real reflow |
| 23:21.46 | RiD | oh just scrolled and saw that you also had a GTX 470 lol |
| 23:22.06 | Win7Mac | yeah |
| 23:22.08 | RiD | i had mine clocked to 800/1900 :x |
| 23:22.24 | Win7Mac | mine is OCed by factary |
| 23:22.35 | Win7Mac | *factory |
| 23:26.15 | Win7Mac | and is suppused to have a superb thermal design called "windforce"... |
| 23:26.36 | ecc3g | how long did your video cards last before they croaked? |
| 23:26.56 | ecc3g | so far it's like they last 2 years for me... |
| 23:27.04 | Win7Mac | not really much longer i guess |
| 23:27.21 | ecc3g | though this RadeonHD 5770 has survived a bit so far... forgot when I bought it |
| 23:27.22 | Win7Mac | ~4years |
| 23:27.33 | RiD | thats about the same mine lasted |
| 23:27.41 | RiD | i hope it still works but... lazyness |
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