IRC log for #maemo on 20150426

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00:19.23scottcLuke-Jr: I think that was an April Fool's joke :)
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00:19.56scottcat least, I hope it was...
00:20.53Luke-Jrit's inevitable.
00:21.03Luke-Jreven if it was last time
00:21.32Luke-Jris glad his distro is staying away from systemd
00:24.38scottcslackware?
00:24.42scottcor gentoo?
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02:05.24*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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07:11.18sixwheeledbeastThere aren't many distros left...
07:11.49KotCzarnyyou can create your own
07:11.57KotCzarnysuited for your needs
07:12.16sixwheeledbeastBerkeley?
07:12.29KotCzarnycould be
07:12.35KotCzarnyas i said, depends on your needs
07:12.44KotCzarnyim happy with slack
07:12.45sixwheeledbeastI was still thinking of the ones left.
07:13.27sixwheeledbeastI would hope things can rebase on devuan
07:14.00KotCzarnyonly time will tell
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07:51.31keriojust install openbsd :c
07:51.33kerioit's pretty
07:54.01bencohsigh :)
08:15.58KotCzarnycan i run n900's scratchbox under openbsd?
08:20.54ryukafalzactually likes systemd
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09:04.43sixwheeledbeastryukafalz: I have no beef with systemd as such, however, I believe it has become the polar opposite of Unix philosophy.
09:06.36sixwheeledbeastAlso personally I prefer upstart, so why should people have to leave a distro because of one meta-ball of a package.
09:08.23sixwheeledbeastDo one thing and do it well?
09:12.33sixwheeledbeastChoose portability over efficiency?
09:12.48KotCzarnyisnt sysvinit already portable?
09:13.19KotCzarnymy main concern is the dependency hell
09:13.42KotCzarnyand also what swb said, 'do one thing but do it perfect' is the unix base
09:14.07sixwheeledbeastexactly
09:15.09KotCzarnyand we know what's the opposite of that
09:15.11KotCzarnym$
09:15.22KotCzarnyand blackboxes
09:17.40kerioand systemd
09:17.48keriowhich has grown so big that bugs are inevitable
09:17.49kerioBUGS
09:17.54kerioIN PID ZERO
09:18.01KotCzarnypid one
09:19.52kerioer yes
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10:03.00sixwheeledbeastMy main concern with systemd is PID 1 and having to reboot on updates.
10:03.50KotCzarnyhehe
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12:07.49sixwheeledbeastoh well time to go down for a reboot, call for help if you don't here from me in ~30 minutes....
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12:36.14KotCzarnyi guess swb lost to systemd
12:36.15KotCzarny:>
12:39.05sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: I am alive. Well sort of.
12:39.21KotCzarny:>
12:40.04sixwheeledbeastI am now trying to fixed the things that have changed.
12:40.19KotCzarnyshouldnt it be done via package manager ?
12:40.30KotCzarnywhats the point otherwise
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12:54.11sixwheeledbeastwell installing upstart-sysv for a start.
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13:41.19sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: Well I have installed MATE now and stopped systemd from being PID 1 :)
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13:58.28KotCzarnyswb: grats
13:58.53KotCzarnyand isnt it amazing, you removed it and it still boots?
13:58.57KotCzarnyunbelievable
14:03.11Vajb_is it like removing one's heart and he is still going? :)
14:03.17KotCzarnynope
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14:03.26KotCzarnyit is like removing b0rg implant
14:03.33KotCzarnyand going plain
14:04.04Vajb_uhoh jumping in the deep end without floaters
14:04.45KotCzarnyi wonder if what's happening with systemd is cryptosponsored by m$
14:04.48KotCzarnyor something
14:05.27Vajb_no idea. Didn't even bother to check if crunchbang has it
14:05.59KotCzarnykind of nokia case mole 'helping' to move in 'new' direction
14:06.15Vajb_maybe elop has joined to systemd developers
14:06.47KotCzarnyi think elop isnt the only one
14:06.57Vajbprobably not
14:08.04sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: not removed, only not init. I was confident that it would be fine, it was designed that way to fallback to.
14:09.02KotCzarnystill, unremovable parts of the system are kind of scary
14:09.15KotCzarny(that aren't essential before)
14:11.35sixwheeledbeast1 root 20 0 init :)
14:12.01KotCzarnymind you, even glibc has an alternative
14:14.25sixwheeledbeastpolicykit1 depends on systemd, as I say as long as it's not init I am happy
14:14.36KotCzarnymine doesn't
14:14.47zGrrmoin :)
14:14.55KotCzarnyoink
14:15.29sixwheeledbeastciao
14:15.33zGrrsystemd is vicious conspiracy to destroy linux
14:16.08KotCzarnyzgrr, more like, tie it down
14:16.30KotCzarnynext step, they will integrate it into kernel
14:16.38KotCzarnyand put kernel into firmware
14:17.12zGrrthey'll get rid of the kernel and replace it with their own.
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14:18.11KotCzarnythats another way
14:18.59KotCzarnystill, taking pc from user is the current direction
14:19.21zGrrat that time there will be PC no more
14:19.28KotCzarnyblackboxes
14:19.32KotCzarnyblackboxes everywhere
14:19.34zGrrwhatever.
14:19.39zGrrproprietary.
14:19.49KotCzarnythats why i dislike arm
14:19.58zGrropen systems, that are just as open as soviet union.
14:20.03KotCzarnyeven if its superior in design to x86
14:20.12zGrrthis is far worse than arm.
14:20.34zGrrhave you seen recent intel based tablets?
14:20.44zGrrthey are great
14:20.58zGrrexcept that you cannot do anything with them.
14:21.20KotCzarnyhehe
14:21.25zGrrno way to put proper linux on it despite hardware being fully supported.
14:21.34KotCzarny..yet
14:21.43KotCzarnybut yes, blackboxes
14:21.49KotCzarnyyou can only click
14:21.52KotCzarnynot tweak
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14:26.07zGrrI was hoping for chinese CPUs, but they seemd to stalled
14:32.52Sicelowhy is it not possible zGrr?
14:34.12zGrrSicelo:  because of UEFI
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14:34.25Sicelooh noes :(
14:35.19Sicelobtw, has someone tried putting in proper linux on the Jolla?
14:36.13bencohI think you'll have gfx issues
14:36.27bencohhavent tried though (I dont have one anyway)
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15:47.46KotCzarnyhttp://i.imgur.com/pkXXp.png
15:47.50KotCzarnysweet
15:48.14KotCzarnyRFC 1149.5-compliant
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17:29.11KotCzarnyhttp://i.imgur.com/dYBHApq.jpg
17:29.31KotCzarnyremember 12/99
17:30.01zGrrput proper linux on jolla? not that easy
17:30.49zGrractually, I meant putting proper linux on Tesco Hudl2 tablet.
17:31.05KotCzarnynonbrands are even worse
17:31.13KotCzarnyas fewer people have/hack at them
17:31.47zGrrTesco Hudl2 is great low-cost tablet that runs on Atom.
17:32.09KotCzarnyif it has worry-free rescue, hack it
17:32.56zGrrthere are some problems with it relating to Hudl's UEFI implementation.
17:34.02zGrrwe'll see how open jolla's tablet is going to be.
17:34.35KotCzarnyi would bet on neo900 more
17:34.44zGrryes
17:34.59zGrrstill two more months to wait for the jolla tablet.
17:43.37zGrrKotCzarny:  it is hard to bet on anything.
17:44.01KotCzarnyi has n900
17:44.27KotCzarnyand until it breakes into pieces, im not changing it
17:46.42zGrrn900 is still my primary mobile phone.
17:47.17KotCzarnysame
17:47.48zGrrThe only (sort of) modern handheld, I know of is OQO. Unfortunately it has obscene price.
17:48.07KotCzarnyand because of oscp n900 got a one level better
17:48.44KotCzarnyit's really nice to be able to control music from the bed via phone
17:49.02KotCzarnyno need for laptop, getting up or anything
17:49.39KotCzarnyi have 10watt 200mhz machine with 160gb harddrive tuckered near stereo system
17:49.58KotCzarnyquiet, tiny, lowpower
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17:50.43zGrrLast year i bought low power PC - pentium 500 mmx, 256mb ram, 4gb ssd. *NEW* and still being produced.
17:50.58KotCzarnythat one is neoware ca5
17:51.20KotCzarny128mb of ram is PLENTY
17:53.10keriowut
17:53.28KotCzarnythat is, if you dont use x
17:53.41keriois a pentium 500 mmx a pentium 1
17:53.51KotCzarnynope
17:54.15KotCzarnythere was a pentium without mmx
17:54.24KotCzarnyi think it maxed at 266 or 300
17:54.30zGrractually it is what was called cyrix in old days.
17:54.36KotCzarny:)
17:54.54KotCzarnymine has sis cpu
17:55.01KotCzarnyslow as hell
17:55.03kerioi really doubt that a pentium mmx is low power
17:55.03zGrrit is still manufactured under a name of AMD Geode LX.
17:55.12KotCzarnybut plays all music formats without a glitch
17:56.02zGrrthey have improved litographic process + added crypto coprocessor.
17:56.13KotCzarnyzgrr, try my oscp on it
17:56.24KotCzarnyi have a compile for pentium mmx class
17:56.56zGrrthe 500mhz cpu is consuming 0.9W
17:57.28KotCzarnyzgrr, cpu is one thing, i said whole box eats 10W
17:57.29zGrrit does not require a fan and not even radiator.
17:57.31KotCzarnypeaks at 12
17:57.55zGrrhttp://pcengines.ch
17:58.32KotCzarnyhttp://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/neoware/CA5/
17:58.35KotCzarnythis one is mine
17:58.52keriohttps://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
17:59.27zGrrpoisoned apples? :)
17:59.54KotCzarnyand what would you do with it?
18:00.00KotCzarnywatch redtube?
18:00.12zGrrrun pfsense on it.
18:00.42KotCzarnylaughs at 'acoustic level under load'
18:00.59KotCzarnykerio, no fans
18:01.08KotCzarnyfans make noise
18:01.22KotCzarnysuch machine is unsuitable as a music player
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21:12.26Sicelokerio: that mac pro definitely has some serious specs. wow
21:12.44kerioit's a powerful trashcan, yeah
21:15.55kerioapple makes decent hardware, really
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21:52.57bencohkerio: neverending troll ;p
21:53.08keriono seriously :c
21:53.17bencoh:)
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