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| 07:31.31 | KotCzarny | vajb: thx, will take a look |
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| 07:56.01 | phlixi | good morning :-) |
| 07:56.51 | phlixi | recently i spoke with a friend about "the good old n900", and i wanted to show him |
| 07:57.20 | phlixi | thus i put it out of the drawer and now email does not seem to work any longer |
| 07:57.46 | phlixi | is this some comon thing? |
| 07:58.16 | KotCzarny | well, i dont use app based email only via browser, but may i interest you in my audio player? |
| 07:58.35 | phlixi | i have two df.eu accounts and one strato account, both do no longer download emails (imap) and both cannot be used for sending |
| 07:59.16 | phlixi | when trying to send it just says "fehler" (english "error") besides the mail in the "post ausgang" (I guess psomething like "outbox"?) |
| 07:59.20 | KotCzarny | unless df.eu changed something (maybe expired certs?) |
| 07:59.31 | KotCzarny | or maybe they have changed ports/protocols |
| 07:59.44 | phlixi | pretty sure they dont, |
| 07:59.52 | KotCzarny | check just in case |
| 07:59.53 | phlixi | at least strato didnt |
| 08:00.28 | KotCzarny | also, try updating to cssu |
| 08:00.40 | KotCzarny | as that's what's currently most updated (system wise) |
| 08:01.22 | KotCzarny | but as i said, check if they have chenged config (imap/smtp settings) |
| 08:02.17 | phlixi | its along time ago when i actually used the n900... in settings => product info it says version: 21.2011.28-1 |
| 08:02.46 | phlixi | i compared email settings to those on thunderbird, they seem to be the same |
| 08:03.19 | phlixi | but i can imagine, that they might no onger accept ssl3.0 and that thunderbird uses tls 1.2 instead or the like... |
| 08:03.38 | phlixi | (without having me changing it... just due to updates) |
| 08:04.14 | phlixi | is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU where i start? |
| 08:06.32 | phlixi | yeah, looks like the place to start... |
| 08:06.37 | phlixi | thanks KotCzarny ;-) |
| 08:06.50 | KotCzarny | np |
| 08:06.54 | KotCzarny | and remember about oscp |
| 08:07.11 | KotCzarny | (my audio player, multiplatform, core-remote design) |
| 08:07.41 | phlixi | i do not think i will use media on the device at all |
| 08:08.05 | KotCzarny | see core-remote part |
| 08:08.22 | KotCzarny | you can install core on htpc connected to your hifi and control it from n900 |
| 08:08.26 | KotCzarny | (or vice versa) |
| 08:08.58 | KotCzarny | but that's assuming you listen to music at all |
| 08:09.07 | phlixi | actually rarely |
| 08:09.24 | KotCzarny | it can play videos as well, so you can think of it as a video remote too |
| 08:09.24 | phlixi | sometimes, and then it comes off of gpodder :-) |
| 08:09.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:29.49 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: ~beasttweaks ;) |
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| 12:29.10 | scottc | ~besttweaks |
| 12:29.13 | scottc | ~beasttweaks |
| 12:29.14 | infobot | from memory, beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
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| 12:42.58 | bencoh | this should go here as well |
| 12:43.08 | bencoh | downloads.maemo.nokia.com issues: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d422f4c29 |
| 12:43.20 | bencoh | does it work for anyone ? |
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| 12:54.13 | bencoh | kerio: do you have a backup of /ovi/ ? |
| 13:00.22 | bencoh | using the old (akamai) ip address (23.205.83.189) doesnt give anything :/ |
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| 14:47.17 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 15:40.26 | fishbulb | hey i'd like to get bluemaemo working |
| 15:40.46 | fishbulb | so i can use my favourite little keyboard with an andrid tablet |
| 15:42.00 | fishbulb | it has never worked as a keyboard mouse type thing. i would have thought it used the touchscreen for mouse and keyboard for typing, but i get a useless onscreen keyboard worse than any android one. |
| 15:45.15 | Sicelo | has never had to use it .. but seems most people are struggling to get it to work |
| 15:49.21 | Vajb | works fine |
| 15:50.28 | Vajb | fishbulb: search for bluemaemo in maemo.org there is instructions |
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| 16:02.57 | Sicelo | wow, nice |
| 16:04.15 | Vajb | Sicelo: got it to work too? :) |
| 16:08.26 | Sicelo | no. i have no use for it at this time. but happy that it still works. we had someone here past few weeks who struggled .. i don't remember who |
| 16:10.41 | Vajb | me either, but i remember trying to help him too |
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| 16:44.11 | hariainm | hi |
| 16:44.39 | hariainm | TMO is been spammed right now |
| 16:45.03 | hariainm | is there any mod here? |
| 16:46.51 | hariainm | nevermind, everything ok now |
| 16:46.54 | hariainm | := |
| 16:46.58 | hariainm | :) |
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| 18:03.42 | M4rtinK | new modRana is out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1466493#post1466493 |
| 18:04.20 | M4rtinK | map display should be improved quite a bit on the N900, especially for overlays |
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| 18:07.57 | totalizator | why my thread at TMO is tagged "spyware" and "telescam" and I can't remove them? |
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| 18:14.41 | scottc | looks like it was done by an angry user with 1 post |
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| 18:54.41 | neal | The nokia repos are no longer available. Is there a mirror somewhere? |
| 18:56.49 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: hi o/ thx for the update to modRana :) |
| 18:57.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Downloading the latest for N900 and my desktop now... |
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| 19:05.59 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: note that the Fedora package repository COPR is not yet updated |
| 19:07.03 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but just cloning the release tag should work fine :) |
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| 19:41.16 | sla_erick | is anyone still alive? |
| 19:41.45 | sla_erick | ~tabletsdev |
| 19:41.46 | infobot | methinks tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads |
| 19:42.19 | sixwheeledbeast | err yer. |
| 19:42.34 | sla_erick | ooh I see that there are some images still up :) |
| 19:42.48 | sla_erick | does that means that I can still develop for the n900? |
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| 19:43.04 | sixwheeledbeast | sla_erick: yes |
| 19:43.07 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sb |
| 19:43.07 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 19:44.30 | sla_erick | sixwheeledbeast so the fastest way is to download the image: "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" ?? |
| 19:45.15 | sla_erick | sorry for the stupid question, but is it ready to go? to start writing an example app for the n900? |
| 19:47.44 | sixwheeledbeast | ready to go in what way? |
| 19:49.17 | M4rtinK | I'm actually also looking for a working N900 devel environment |
| 19:49.56 | M4rtinK | autobuilder is fine for building modRana packages, but I'd like to try building some libs and I need a working SDK for that :) |
| 19:50.48 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have a few questions/ideas on modRana if your not busy |
| 19:50.58 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: sure, go ahead :) |
| 19:51.30 | sixwheeledbeast | k let me find the notes file I had... |
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| 19:55.07 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: ok for starters, how can I update my tiles, say if OSM data has been updated? |
| 19:56.06 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: using batch download - you can tell it to only download tiles you already have |
| 19:56.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Redownload? |
| 19:56.40 | sixwheeledbeast | on? |
| 19:57.18 | M4rtinK | I think :D |
| 19:57.28 | M4rtinK | I'm trying to remember what "update" does |
| 19:57.45 | sixwheeledbeast | well i tried update and on so I am not sure. |
| 19:57.51 | M4rtinK | I think I remembered |
| 19:58.03 | M4rtinK | update - only download tiles you already have |
| 19:58.20 | M4rtinK | ON -> download all tiles in the area, even those you already have |
| 19:58.28 | M4rtinK | I really need to document this somewhere :) |
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| 19:59.34 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: That makes sense but I have edited OSM and update or on has not resulted in new tiles? |
| 20:00.09 | M4rtinK | if you see the updated tiles in browser |
| 20:00.15 | M4rtinK | modRana should download them |
| 20:00.25 | M4rtinK | with update or ON |
| 20:00.47 | M4rtinK | keep in mind it downloads the base layer if you have map overlay enabled |
| 20:00.58 | M4rtinK | or the current layer if overlay is not enabled |
| 20:01.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Well let me check mapnik on browser again, I know this takes time to update at OSM |
| 20:03.36 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: there are changes in the browser that are not updating on N900. |
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| 20:04.40 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: that's weird |
| 20:05.49 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: ok well I'll come back to that. |
| 20:07.43 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: One useful feature for me would be a "clear" button on the main map GUI, to clear away ANY routes or searches from the screen, without poking through nested windows to clear different things. |
| 20:11.41 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, the current ways of doing that are not ideal |
| 20:11.57 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but I wonder where it should be placed |
| 20:12.14 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: as the screen is already quite cluttered, especially when routing |
| 20:12.24 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Well, bottom right? |
| 20:12.38 | M4rtinK | that's where the routing buttons are |
| 20:12.38 | sixwheeledbeast | only while routing or search is active? |
| 20:13.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Adjacent the route tools button? Where edit would be |
| 20:14.10 | M4rtinK | I'm thinking about adding a top level menu called Map |
| 20:14.24 | M4rtinK | that would have easy access to switching map layers |
| 20:14.36 | M4rtinK | and could also have a "clear map" button |
| 20:15.17 | M4rtinK | would still be 3 clicks though, but it would be more consistent than the current state |
| 20:16.34 | M4rtinK | I think those two could be combined - have a Map->clear map button in the menu by default |
| 20:17.16 | M4rtinK | and an optional maps screen button that could be enabled from options |
| 20:18.25 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: sounds good |
| 20:18.55 | M4rtinK | could even be combined with the route buttons when they are displayed to save space |
| 20:19.15 | sixwheeledbeast | although top level menu is getting busy only one space left. |
| 20:20.36 | M4rtinK | well, the menus can be multipage :) |
| 20:21.08 | M4rtinK | but that really should be avoided for the toplevel one :) |
| 20:22.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Then again Route, POI and Search could be merged nicer IMO. |
| 20:22.54 | M4rtinK | yeah, I'm thinking about merging some of them |
| 20:23.17 | M4rtinK | at least "tracklogs" and "log a track" |
| 20:23.31 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: agreed there |
| 20:23.48 | M4rtinK | should be under "tracklogs" as "list tracklogs" and "record tracklog" |
| 20:24.08 | M4rtinK | maybe others later |
| 20:27.15 | M4rtinK | I was also thinking about giving some order to the toplevel menu items |
| 20:27.36 | M4rtinK | but don't want to destroy peoples muscle memory :) |
| 20:34.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 20:34.47 | infobot | ~pong |
| 20:35.10 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm M4rtinK sorry internet issues. |
| 20:35.22 | sixwheeledbeast | I would say a "Navigate", "Mode", "Search", "Clear All", "Options", "Download", "Tracks", "Info" and "Exit" would cover all. |
| 20:35.31 | sixwheeledbeast | I mean there are two POI menus already too, on the top level and the options level. |
| 20:35.40 | sixwheeledbeast | I can understand Options level, Navigate Level and Search Level but not top level too, IMO. |
| 20:37.10 | M4rtinK | well, almost anything has an options menu |
| 20:37.38 | M4rtinK | but having a navigate menu that contains route & poi items could work :) |
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| 20:43.21 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I think so. :) |
| 20:45.03 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Ok next question is themes? How easy is it to add one? Could you put an Orange one in to match "Digital Nature" N900 theme? |
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| 20:47.13 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: made a note how the top level menu reorganization could look like: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/89 |
| 20:47.25 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 20:47.46 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: it's basically just a single configuration file & bunch of images |
| 20:48.24 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I think you can easily do a new theme :) |
| 20:48.52 | M4rtinK | more or less |
| 20:49.01 | M4rtinK | cd /opt/modrana/themes |
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| 20:49.10 | M4rtinK | cp night orange |
| 20:49.16 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: So what's to stop the images being the same and the colours changing via a GUI? Example: Theme > Silica > Select Colour? |
| 20:49.39 | M4rtinK | and start tweaking the theme.conf |
| 20:50.10 | M4rtinK | that would work in principle |
| 20:50.18 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have made a Orange theme on my desktop version, editing all the "red" items in theme.conf to "orange" |
| 20:50.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Theme to me equals layout not colour if that makes sense? |
| 20:50.59 | M4rtinK | nice :) |
| 20:51.54 | M4rtinK | well, it's pretty much just color definitions in modRanas case |
| 20:52.17 | M4rtinK | BTW, it should be possible to package modRana themes as individual packages :) |
| 20:52.59 | sixwheeledbeast | So maybe a few themes with basic colour picker options would be good. This would save the need for theme packages. |
| 20:53.02 | M4rtinK | there even already is one, but I'm not sure if it actually still works |
| 20:53.22 | M4rtinK | two things are needed for that |
| 20:53.25 | sixwheeledbeast | IMO theme packages clutter the repos. |
| 20:53.30 | M4rtinK | a UI for changing the colors |
| 20:53.39 | M4rtinK | and a way of making the changes persistent |
| 20:53.41 | sixwheeledbeast | But I can see the reason behind them |
| 20:54.10 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
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| 20:54.18 | M4rtinK | yeah, people should have the option of installing them |
| 20:54.28 | M4rtinK | so that apps don't have to bundle everything by default |
| 20:55.27 | M4rtinK | another issue with the persistence is, that the theme files are read-only at runtime |
| 20:55.39 | M4rtinK | as they are installed at package installation time |
| 20:56.04 | M4rtinK | so some sort of override would need to be supported in a user writable folder |
| 20:56.26 | M4rtinK | that would be used when people start fiddling with the colors |
| 20:58.10 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: but you can make a new theme and restart modRana then use it? |
| 20:58.25 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep, that's already possible |
| 20:58.33 | M4rtinK | ...I think :) |
| 20:59.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Well that's what I did on the desktop anyway, I didn't want to play with my N900 .conf files. |
| 20:59.54 | M4rtinK | yep, just did it on my N900 |
| 21:00.05 | M4rtinK | cp -r red orange |
| 21:00.20 | M4rtinK | and a new orange theme shows up in Options |
| 21:01.06 | M4rtinK | BTW, I think the themes menu in Options should use a multiple item selector, not toggle |
| 21:02.06 | M4rtinK | https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/90 :) |
| 21:04.02 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
| 21:04.19 | M4rtinK | BTW, looking at the code you can already sorta do live editing |
| 21:04.42 | M4rtinK | it loads the theme config every time the theme is switched |
| 21:05.14 | M4rtinK | so if you edit it and switch to another theme and back the changes should show up at once |
| 21:05.22 | M4rtinK | no need to restart modRana |
| 21:05.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I hacked the theme and cp'ed the red and made an orange. Oh no restart :) |
| 21:06.04 | sixwheeledbeast | I suppose this will persist a package update? |
| 21:09.06 | M4rtinK | I think it should |
| 21:09.32 | M4rtinK | but keep a copy just in case :) |
| 21:09.46 | M4rtinK | or symlink it from a safe location :) |
| 21:10.02 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I just spotted the bottom left box on the map window is non-themeable :) |
| 21:10.27 | M4rtinK | yep, that's another area in need of improvement |
| 21:10.45 | M4rtinK | and I'm sure there are more elements like this |
| 21:11.37 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: could you maybe note all such unthemable items somewhere ? |
| 21:11.57 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I only found that one |
| 21:12.13 | sixwheeledbeast | but I will let you know :) |
| 21:12.29 | M4rtinK | I'll make an issue for that :) |
| 21:12.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Oh the zoom arrows too. |
| 21:13.50 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: zoom arrows, search text. |
| 21:14.08 | M4rtinK | search text ? |
| 21:14.44 | sixwheeledbeast | make a search for a place and the text and point is "blue" |
| 21:15.24 | M4rtinK | oh, you mean the point markers |
| 21:16.50 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: yer but I realises the POI's are Green and the Search is Blue |
| 21:17.47 | M4rtinK | sure, but there should be separate options for POI & Green colors |
| 21:17.50 | M4rtinK | eh |
| 21:17.55 | M4rtinK | POI & search colors |
| 21:18.44 | sixwheeledbeast | seperate options? |
| 21:19.27 | M4rtinK | that the theme should have separate color constants for search result points and POI points |
| 21:20.03 | M4rtinK | so that those two sorts could be themed separately |
| 21:21.54 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok, so that's another enhancement or available already? |
| 21:23.49 | sixwheeledbeast | ah, issues/92 |
| 21:24.44 | M4rtinK | it should be relatively easy to fix once I know all the places where theming is not applied |
| 21:25.18 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok a few more things ... :) |
| 21:25.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Is it possible to display the current zoom level on the map GUI? |
| 21:26.18 | sixwheeledbeast | Take the desktop version for example there is no hildon banners to display the level, you have to check in downloads. |
| 21:26.39 | M4rtinK | good point! |
| 21:26.49 | sixwheeledbeast | I say desktop version but well I mean on a desktop. |
| 21:27.34 | M4rtinK | I think that desktop usage enhancements are quite important |
| 21:27.47 | M4rtinK | even though the UI is primarily optimized for touch usage |
| 21:28.15 | M4rtinK | it is still really handy to have modRana on desktop :) |
| 21:28.35 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: also the messages that do happen on the desktop hang around until you zoom in or out. |
| 21:28.50 | M4rtinK | I think the zoomlevel could be displayed on the scale indicator |
| 21:29.11 | M4rtinK | like "60 m (zl 15 |
| 21:29.13 | M4rtinK | ) |
| 21:29.40 | M4rtinK | which messages ? |
| 21:30.12 | sixwheeledbeast | "all search results cleared" for example. Yes I think Zoom Level can be (L15) adj the scale bar |
| 21:31.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Also these messages are not themed either ;) |
| 21:31.43 | M4rtinK | oops :D |
| 21:32.39 | sixwheeledbeast | They don't appear on the N900 version AFAIK |
| 21:33.23 | sixwheeledbeast | No they are hildon banners there. |
| 21:33.28 | M4rtinK | modRana uses the system notifications |
| 21:33.30 | M4rtinK | on N900 |
| 21:33.31 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 21:33.48 | M4rtinK | those blue ones are built-in "fallback" ones |
| 21:34.10 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 21:34.22 | M4rtinK | it might make sense to use a desktop notification API |
| 21:34.35 | M4rtinK | at least when the modRana window is out of focus |
| 21:35.40 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe, they are fine but annoying that you have to refresh the map to get rid. Glad the zoom level doesn't pop up too that would be awkward :D |
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| 21:36.13 | RiD | the SIM issue is starting to hunt my 2 N900s :( |
| 21:36.45 | sixwheeledbeast | RiD: paper in the battery tray trick? |
| 21:36.54 | RiD | one of them no longer accepts any SIM, always gives an error, the other one failed once, had to reboot |
| 21:37.07 | RiD | never tried the paper, but i did try bending the pins |
| 21:37.40 | M4rtinK | M4rtinK: yeah, that's N900 specific on purpose :) |
| 21:37.45 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: ^^ |
| 21:37.57 | M4rtinK | as the Hildon banners are less obtrusive |
| 21:38.16 | sixwheeledbeast | RiD: If bending pins and paper in the tray fails you device is probably parts only I am afraid |
| 21:38.16 | M4rtinK | is also serves as feedback when using the vole keys for zooming |
| 21:38.21 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: :nod: |
| 21:38.25 | RiD | sigh |
| 21:38.26 | M4rtinK | *volume |
| 21:38.36 | RiD | guess I can use it as a hammer |
| 21:39.02 | RiD | (right now i'm using the SIM failed one as some sort of iPod) |
| 21:39.05 | sixwheeledbeast | RiD: neo900.org new motherboard eventually |
| 21:39.41 | RiD | too expensive, I have other priorities right now, so I'm sticking with my N900s as much as possible |
| 21:39.48 | bencoh | dont bend the pins :( |
| 21:40.02 | sixwheeledbeast | RiD: I understand |
| 21:40.09 | RiD | but i'm going to try the paper one, did not remember of that |
| 21:40.20 | bencoh | a third n900 might be an option |
| 21:40.27 | RiD | i do have a 3rd one LOL |
| 21:40.32 | bencoh | :] |
| 21:40.35 | RiD | parts only, was sort of a scam |
| 21:40.46 | bencoh | meh |
| 21:40.46 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: least query before I investigate my tiles issue... |
| 21:40.51 | sixwheeledbeast | last* |
| 21:41.16 | RiD | the body is in horrible conditions, it boots to the NOKIA logo, then shuts down. You even see the screen "fading out" slowly, like some gameboys did |
| 21:41.46 | RiD | tried USB, it was solid but could never get it to being detected |
| 21:41.51 | bencoh | wtf |
| 21:42.06 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: On starting modRana with no fix the tiles do not load, do you need a fix before the tiles will display? |
| 21:42.27 | bencoh | how does modrana compare to marble these days ? |
| 21:42.35 | bencoh | (perfs, fonctionalities ...) |
| 21:42.55 | sixwheeledbeast | never used marble |
| 21:43.26 | M4rtinK | bencoh: it is still being developed for mobile devices #unlike Marble :) |
| 21:43.37 | bencoh | err :) |
| 21:43.52 | bencoh | right ... true :) |
| 21:44.23 | M4rtinK | bencoh: also I found the Marbel UI kinda chaotic on the N900 and N9 (?) |
| 21:45.04 | bencoh | probably not the best they could've come with, but not that bad |
| 21:45.10 | M4rtinK | sure, modRana does not have a map projected on sphere, but actually works :) |
| 21:45.47 | bencoh | the only things that bothers me with it is the freaking slow/broken offline fuzzy search |
| 21:45.56 | RiD | Just tried the paper trick, nope. Boots, and instead of asking for pin, it says that all functions are disabled (...) |
| 21:46.05 | M4rtinK | bencoh: Marble has that ? |
| 21:46.07 | bencoh | offline exact search works well, online search (fuzzy by default) too |
| 21:46.10 | bencoh | yeah |
| 21:46.10 | sixwheeledbeast | Would be nice to view the map while waiting for a GPS fix, for example. |
| 21:46.17 | bencoh | but it's sooo slow you'd think it doesnt |
| 21:46.23 | bencoh | it uses the POI database |
| 21:46.27 | bencoh | POI/routing |
| 21:46.36 | bencoh | (that you can configure/download for monav) |
| 21:47.00 | M4rtinK | BTW, modRana can use Monav data for routing :) |
| 21:47.19 | sixwheeledbeast | I use monav, seems ok. |
| 21:47.26 | M4rtinK | and there is a global data repository for it: http://modrana.org/data/monav/ :) |
| 21:47.43 | sixwheeledbeast | well I have found plenty of map errors with it :( |
| 21:48.05 | M4rtinK | its is as good as the source data :) |
| 21:48.35 | sixwheeledbeast | agreed |
| 21:48.47 | M4rtinK | BTW, I've recently forked Monav: https://github.com/M4rtinK/monav-light :) |
| 21:49.04 | bencoh | huh |
| 21:49.08 | bencoh | why ? |
| 21:49.16 | M4rtinK | the idea is to cut out all the GUI stuff, daemon/server modes, protocol buffers |
| 21:49.24 | bencoh | oh, because monav is dead I guess |
| 21:49.54 | M4rtinK | and just have a simple headless routing utility that consumes JSON input and returns JSON results |
| 21:50.08 | M4rtinK | bencoh: that's another reason |
| 21:50.26 | M4rtinK | bencoh: but it is still the best routing code I've seen so far :) |
| 21:51.04 | M4rtinK | I think even OSRM is based on it |
| 21:51.27 | M4rtinK | but the project itself is unfortunately dead as doornails |
| 21:52.28 | M4rtinK | there is a Sailfish OS port though: https://github.com/tunp/monavsailfish |
| 21:53.05 | M4rtinK | that actually inspired me to start on the monav-light project |
| 21:54.32 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: so monav-light could be packaged up with modrana? |
| 21:55.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Instead of the current download and drop the files in the monav folder |
| 21:55.11 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep |
| 21:55.25 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: sweet! |
| 21:55.26 | M4rtinK | either installed as a dependency or bundled |
| 21:55.43 | M4rtinK | data file handling would be the same |
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| 21:55.59 | kerio | whoops |
| 21:56.07 | M4rtinK | https://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide |
| 21:56.37 | M4rtinK | well, at least until some sort of download UI is done |
| 21:57.04 | M4rtinK | current plan is to use it on desktop, Sailfish OS and Android |
| 21:57.24 | M4rtinK | I have actually succeeded in compiling it for all three |
| 21:57.28 | M4rtinK | already |
| 21:58.22 | M4rtinK | I don't have a working Maemo 5 SDK so I can't build it for the N900 |
| 21:58.25 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: how is address to address routing with monav looking, I believe it's not possible for some reason? |
| 21:58.47 | M4rtinK | it does just point to point routing |
| 21:58.59 | M4rtinK | but it has some sort of address lookup support |
| 21:59.04 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I believe ~sb links will point you to a Maemo SDK |
| 21:59.37 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sb |
| 21:59.37 | infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 21:59.40 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sdk |
| 21:59.40 | infobot | methinks sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" |
| 22:00.11 | M4rtinK | the offline address search is just not yet exposed in either the old Monav routing server modRana currently uses on the N900 or in monav-light |
| 22:00.18 | merlin1991 | ~sb is the same stuff |
| 22:00.18 | infobot | ...but sb is already something else... |
| 22:00.52 | sixwheeledbeast | :) infobot we know |
| 22:00.56 | M4rtinK | but I plan to add it to monav-light eventually |
| 22:01.07 | bencoh | M4rtinK: marble uses monav as well |
| 22:01.19 | bencoh | (that's one of the several backends, and the only offline one) |
| 22:02.20 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: both links are dead :) |
| 22:02.25 | M4rtinK | bencoh: yep, I know |
| 22:02.44 | M4rtinK | bencoh: but Monav by default only exposes routing data |
| 22:02.49 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: merlin1991.at? |
| 22:03.19 | M4rtinK | bencoh: and only either over a C++ interface or over a protocol buffer based network interface |
| 22:03.29 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z |
| 22:03.38 | M4rtinK | bencoh: which is a huge overkill & unneeded dependency |
| 22:06.30 | M4rtinK | bencoh: and even that does not expose other data types like adress search (tournament trie) |
| 22:06.48 | M4rtinK | bencoh: that was another reason why I started on the monav-light project |
| 22:08.20 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: downloading the VM image |
| 22:08.29 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: do you have any experience with it : |
| 22:08.32 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: ? |
| 22:08.54 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: yep it works that's about it... |
| 22:09.12 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: good to hear that :) |
| 22:09.33 | M4rtinK | I would like to build monav-light |
| 22:09.46 | M4rtinK | and also PyOtherSide for Maemo 5, if possible |
| 22:09.55 | M4rtinK | that would make running the Qt 5 GUI possible |
| 22:11.34 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too. |
| 22:12.33 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: as long as I can add this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5 |
| 22:12.43 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I should be able to build monav-light |
| 22:13.05 | bencoh | monav-light is qt5-based ? |
| 22:13.12 | bencoh | (is that still "light" ? ;) |
| 22:13.32 | M4rtinK | bencoh: even "normal" Monav is Qt based |
| 22:13.45 | M4rtinK | even the non GUI stuff |
| 22:13.55 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have a VM with debian and scratchbox build from scratch years ago that I normally use. But I have installed and played with the Ubuntu VM in the last 12 months too. |
| 22:14.13 | sixwheeledbeast | IIRC everything is there, if you know your way about Gnome2 interface then you can switch off locking screensaver too. |
| 22:14.18 | sixwheeledbeast | Which is annoying |
| 22:14.23 | M4rtinK | I think only the most low level routing calculations are "plain" C++ |
| 22:14.43 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I'll probably just SSH to it :) |
| 22:15.43 | M4rtinK | bencoh: it is actually quite handy that it is Qt based - I'm for example using the QJsonDocument class introduced in Qt 5 |
| 22:15.54 | M4rtinK | for JSON input/output |
| 22:16.26 | M4rtinK | Qt 5 is basically the only outside dependency |
| 22:16.43 | M4rtinK | so no need to hunt down obscure stuff, compile it and than compile against that |
| 22:16.47 | M4rtinK | help a lot |
| 22:16.51 | M4rtinK | *helps |
| 22:17.10 | M4rtinK | especially with my marginal C++ knowledge :) |
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| 22:35.47 | Luke-Jr | anyone happen to know what happened to psycho_oreos? |
| 22:40.58 | sixwheeledbeast | ~seen psycho_oreos |
| 22:41.15 | infobot | psycho_oreos <~no@unaffiliated/tuxsavvy> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 477d 7h 40m 4s ago, saying: 'Nevermind, problem seems fixed. Thanks anyways.'. |
| 22:41.59 | antranigv | hay guys, how can I find the sources of a program? gTranslate to be more exact. |
| 22:44.38 | antranigv | ahh, garage, okey thanks all! (: |
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