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| 09:26.31 | grammoboy | it seems my 2nd hand n900 has some widget/app installed which checks how many hours it has etc. |
| 09:26.45 | grammoboy | I want to remove it, but have no idea of the name of that app... |
| 09:26.50 | KotCzarny | ? |
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| 09:30.30 | grammoboy | it's a battery app |
| 09:30.49 | KotCzarny | dpkg -l|grep -i batte |
| 09:34.14 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/207342/82264481/ |
| 09:34.45 | grammoboy | bme-rx-51 probably |
| 09:34.55 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 09:35.08 | KotCzarny | batterygraph |
| 09:35.15 | KotCzarny | this is the most likely |
| 09:35.22 | KotCzarny | status-area-applet-battery |
| 09:35.24 | KotCzarny | or this |
| 09:35.41 | KotCzarny | also, your paste looks cut |
| 09:37.10 | grammoboy | status-area-applet-battery is default maemo app i think |
| 09:37.54 | KotCzarny | right, then remove batterygraph |
| 09:38.01 | grammoboy | that one is not installed |
| 09:38.09 | Pali | heya, I have fix for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141 |
| 09:38.11 | povbot | 04Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk |
| 09:38.14 | Pali | is somebody interested in testing? |
| 09:38.21 | Pali | :-) |
| 09:39.09 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:39.18 | KotCzarny | then paste dpkg -l |
| 09:40.31 | Pali | freemangordon ^^^^ |
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| 09:49.56 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/ |
| 09:55.28 | grammoboy | wow this a nice mpd client app for N900 https://github.com/jmechnich/qmpc |
| 09:55.36 | KotCzarny | i prefer oscp |
| 09:55.44 | KotCzarny | multiplatform, flexible, easy navigation |
| 09:55.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 09:57.18 | KotCzarny | and low on resources |
| 09:57.25 | KotCzarny | and high on features |
| 09:57.53 | grammoboy | I filed a bug on qmpc yesterday, to be able to choose outputs, it's been done already |
| 09:57.56 | grammoboy | :) |
| 09:58.24 | grammoboy | so I get the sound out of my N900 and/or my RPI connected to my audio installation |
| 09:58.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:58.59 | grammoboy | N900 is still alive :) |
| 09:59.05 | KotCzarny | i run oscp-core on my pc connected to hifi and remote on n900 |
| 09:59.20 | KotCzarny | and when im on the go i run oscp-core on n900 and run remote on n900 |
| 09:59.21 | grammoboy | glad I bought my third n900 yesterday on ebay |
| 09:59.24 | KotCzarny | or just use ncurses |
| 10:00.08 | grammoboy | but in the second case you play music from the n900 itself? |
| 10:00.13 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:00.32 | grammoboy | ok, I play music from my NAS in both cases |
| 10:00.34 | KotCzarny | both core and remote can run on maemo and on pc |
| 10:00.51 | KotCzarny | and you can even run remote on windows pygtk |
| 10:01.02 | KotCzarny | is your nas running linux? |
| 10:01.12 | grammoboy | yes |
| 10:01.15 | KotCzarny | x86 or arm? |
| 10:01.25 | grammoboy | x86 |
| 10:01.32 | KotCzarny | then you can run oscp core there |
| 10:01.41 | KotCzarny | and control via pc or n900 |
| 10:02.12 | grammoboy | I keep it in mind, but atm I'm happy with Volumio on my RPI, using mpd |
| 10:02.14 | KotCzarny | or via ssh/screen/ncurses |
| 10:02.30 | KotCzarny | i disliked media library idea |
| 10:02.51 | KotCzarny | and was missing simple player that i can just point to some directory and play everything inside |
| 10:03.08 | KotCzarny | that's why oscp was born |
| 10:03.24 | KotCzarny | almost any player tries to scan your whole drives for files |
| 10:03.49 | KotCzarny | and when you have milions of them it sucks, especially when you only want to play one dir |
| 10:04.22 | grammoboy | sounds nice |
| 10:04.35 | KotCzarny | it is, simple, yet effective |
| 10:04.56 | KotCzarny | and you just navigate with cursor keys |
| 10:05.34 | grammoboy | did you saw my paste? |
| 10:05.40 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/ |
| 10:05.41 | KotCzarny | im looking at it |
| 10:05.53 | grammoboy | ok :) |
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| 10:10.23 | KotCzarny | hm, cant see anything suspicious |
| 10:10.40 | KotCzarny | can you click that applet and see some 'about' ? |
| 10:11.00 | KotCzarny | you can try posting a screenshot too |
| 10:11.56 | KotCzarny | status-area-applet-battery |
| 10:11.59 | KotCzarny | maybe this one? |
| 10:12.26 | KotCzarny | my version with stock fremantle is 0.1.24+0m5 |
| 10:12.35 | KotCzarny | yours is 1.0-9 |
| 10:14.04 | KotCzarny | also, is your sys flashed with some thumb version? |
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| 10:24.19 | grammoboy | KotCzarny, yeah thumb version |
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| 10:24.47 | KotCzarny | you can try pasting ps axww |
| 10:24.58 | KotCzarny | and checking crontabs too |
| 10:25.06 | KotCzarny | (crontab -l) |
| 10:25.36 | grammoboy | http://fpaste.org/207353/82295291/ |
| 10:26.23 | freemangordon | Pali: do I use that? |
| 10:26.37 | Pali | yes, now testing :-) |
| 10:26.43 | freemangordon | I mean - I use google chat |
| 10:26.51 | freemangordon | what am I supposed to test? |
| 10:27.03 | Pali | I will commit changes to github/gitorious and upload also new package to cssu-devel |
| 10:27.08 | freemangordon | ok |
| 10:27.16 | freemangordon | Pali: do you have FB account? |
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| 10:27.29 | Pali | test if you can set jabber resource priority in gtalk account dialog |
| 10:27.33 | Pali | and if it is really set |
| 10:27.38 | Pali | no FB account |
| 10:27.40 | freemangordon | ok |
| 10:27.43 | freemangordon | will do |
| 10:28.30 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong ;) |
| 10:29.32 | KotCzarny | grammoboy: cant see anything, crontab -l and screenshot maybe |
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| 10:41.43 | grammoboy | KotCzarny, http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1428230491.png |
| 10:43.48 | KotCzarny | you know what |
| 10:43.54 | KotCzarny | i think its standard cssu applet |
| 10:43.58 | KotCzarny | http://fpaste.org/207347/27385142/ |
| 10:44.13 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1342371 |
| 10:44.19 | KotCzarny | bad mouse |
| 10:44.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:44.49 | KotCzarny | so if you dont like it, downgrade it to stable version etc |
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| 10:53.24 | KotCzarny | or maybe its settable somewhere in preferences |
| 10:53.30 | KotCzarny | ask cssu people |
| 10:53.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:55.17 | grammoboy | ok, thx :) |
| 10:55.31 | grammoboy | scary that new stuff... :) |
| 10:55.36 | KotCzarny | well |
| 10:55.58 | KotCzarny | sometimes it looks busy, but not eating battery much |
| 10:56.17 | grammoboy | yeah I was concerned about sucking battery |
| 10:56.41 | KotCzarny | im using battery-eye to see how fast my battery drains |
| 10:57.09 | grammoboy | I read those apps suck a lot of battery itself |
| 10:57.09 | KotCzarny | easy to spot when i install something that's not well written |
| 10:57.13 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 10:57.22 | KotCzarny | i have battery-eye installed for many months now |
| 10:57.28 | KotCzarny | and it's very well behaving |
| 10:57.34 | grammoboy | hm |
| 10:57.41 | KotCzarny | usually grabs battery status only when YOU do something |
| 10:57.49 | KotCzarny | like unlocking screen etc |
| 10:59.17 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/battery-eye/ |
| 10:59.19 | KotCzarny | The data collection process is designed for minimal impact on system performance and battery life. |
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| 11:37.34 | ceene | talking about batteries, i assume the answer to this is "no", but is it normal for my n900 to be consuming ~200mA on plane mode? |
| 11:38.16 | ceene | i can't get it to last more than 6 or 8 hours, and I now for sure that a couple months ago I was only charging the battery once a day |
| 11:38.25 | ceene | now i need to charge it at least twice :/ |
| 11:38.39 | ceene | (200mA number as reported by bnf) |
| 11:39.53 | freemangordon | ceene: not normal, check for a runaway process |
| 11:40.30 | ceene | i've been using top to search for high consuming cpu process |
| 11:40.35 | ceene | but i can't see anything out of the ordinary |
| 11:40.42 | ceene | Xorg is using 2% of CPU |
| 11:40.47 | ceene | and that's the top process |
| 11:40.53 | freemangordon | that's normal |
| 11:41.03 | ceene | sometimes mce goes up a bit |
| 11:41.08 | freemangordon | anything in dmesg or syslog? |
| 11:41.11 | ceene | but i don't see anything strange |
| 11:41.38 | freemangordon | I mean - anything suspicios |
| 11:41.50 | freemangordon | suspicious even |
| 11:41.55 | ceene | none that i recognize as out of the ordinary |
| 11:42.13 | freemangordon | did you try to power-down the device and remove the battery? |
| 11:42.21 | ceene | uhm, nop |
| 11:42.23 | ceene | that can help? |
| 11:42.28 | freemangordon | try it |
| 11:42.33 | ceene | ok :) |
| 11:42.43 | ceene | i've powered it down before a couple of times, but i've never removed the battery |
| 11:43.29 | freemangordon | anyway, the idle consumption should be between 3-4 and 40-70 mA, depending on what is running as applications and which radio is enabled |
| 11:43.51 | freemangordon | on wifi only the standby time is about a week |
| 11:44.33 | freemangordon | ceene: put the startup log on pastebin after the reboot, so I can check if anything looks abnormal |
| 11:45.32 | ceene | ok |
| 11:45.38 | ceene | but that you mean dmesg or something else? |
| 11:45.41 | ceene | by |
| 11:46.04 | freemangordon | (partial) syslog |
| 11:47.35 | ceene | ok, it's booting now |
| 11:55.47 | ceene | i'm cutting syslog |
| 11:57.12 | ceene | http://fpaste.org/207359/35005142/ |
| 11:57.55 | ceene | i don't see anything strange, though i'm not very knowful of n900 hardware, so lots of things I don't understand |
| 11:58.38 | ceene | it's now connected to a wifi network and gsm enabled (3g icon and good coverage), bnf still reports 221mA |
| 12:01.31 | Sicelo | no PSM on the wifi network? tried setting to 2G only & compare? |
| 12:02.21 | ceene | Sicelo: on plane mode with no connection active, bnf reports now 176mA |
| 12:02.50 | KotCzarny | ceene, check crontab |
| 12:03.03 | KotCzarny | and no, 200mA is much too much |
| 12:03.30 | KotCzarny | it should be ~10mA |
| 12:03.38 | KotCzarny | (when idle and blanked) |
| 12:03.49 | ceene | there are no cron jobs |
| 12:04.10 | KotCzarny | also what sicelo said, do you have wifi all the time? |
| 12:04.42 | ceene | usually yes, but even when wifi is off, consumption is around 170~1180mA |
| 12:04.51 | KotCzarny | then something runs |
| 12:04.58 | ceene | yep, but i don't know what... |
| 12:04.58 | KotCzarny | did you install anything new lately |
| 12:05.02 | ceene | top doesn't report anything |
| 12:05.12 | ceene | none that i can remember :/ |
| 12:05.15 | KotCzarny | you can also run ps axww periodically and check for differences |
| 12:05.21 | ceene | but most probably yes |
| 12:05.30 | KotCzarny | in hopes you can catch the offender |
| 12:05.39 | KotCzarny | also, run powertop |
| 12:05.44 | KotCzarny | and pastebin it |
| 12:06.58 | ceene | http://fpaste.org/207360/ |
| 12:07.01 | ceene | this is powertop outpout |
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| 12:08.57 | ceene | uhm |
| 12:09.12 | ceene | i believe it's now behaving like it's supposed to |
| 12:09.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:09.25 | KotCzarny | still, many interrupts |
| 12:09.30 | KotCzarny | Total wakeups 498, 16.6/s | IRQ 416, 13.9/s | Timers 82, 2.7/s |
| 12:09.32 | KotCzarny | this is mine |
| 12:09.36 | KotCzarny | Total wakeups 3583, 119.4/s | IRQ 2874, 95.8/s | Timers 709, 23.6/s |
| 12:09.38 | KotCzarny | this is yours |
| 12:09.42 | ceene | yep |
| 12:09.43 | ceene | that's a lot |
| 12:10.09 | KotCzarny | check with wifi off |
| 12:11.02 | ceene | which should be screen consumption? |
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| 12:11.13 | KotCzarny | screen consumption wont show there |
| 12:11.29 | ceene | i know, but i can switch off screen |
| 12:11.32 | ceene | and execute bnf |
| 12:11.45 | KotCzarny | you can run in terminal |
| 12:11.46 | ceene | it read something like 45mA |
| 12:11.54 | KotCzarny | ie. sleep 10; powertop |
| 12:12.00 | ceene | with screen on, it's 230mA or so |
| 12:12.05 | ceene | it varies, of course |
| 12:12.21 | KotCzarny | i use bq27200.sh |
| 12:12.37 | KotCzarny | to check current power consumption |
| 12:12.49 | ceene | with wifi off |
| 12:12.54 | ceene | Total wakeups 578 |
| 12:13.07 | KotCzarny | a bit less |
| 12:13.09 | KotCzarny | Total wakeups 3583, 119.4/s | IRQ 2874, 95.8/s | Timers 709, 23.6/s |
| 12:13.14 | KotCzarny | that was your with wifi on |
| 12:13.20 | ceene | yep |
| 12:13.28 | KotCzarny | Total wakeups 498, 16.6/s | IRQ 416, 13.9/s | Timers 82, 2.7/s |
| 12:13.37 | ceene | so, wifi takes a lot of power |
| 12:13.38 | KotCzarny | and its almost the same as mine with wifi on |
| 12:13.46 | KotCzarny | check your ap |
| 12:13.49 | KotCzarny | maybe change the channel |
| 12:14.07 | KotCzarny | could be the ehter noise waking chip too much |
| 12:14.24 | ceene | they're about 1 meter from each other |
| 12:14.38 | KotCzarny | doesnt matter |
| 12:14.56 | KotCzarny | if anything else runs on the same channel it have to wake up and check if the packets are for you |
| 12:15.28 | KotCzarny | and retransmissions in case of collisions |
| 12:15.32 | ceene | when I installed this router i checked and chose least populated channel |
| 12:15.35 | ceene | of course it |
| 12:15.37 | KotCzarny | check now |
| 12:15.40 | ceene | of course it may have changed |
| 12:15.43 | KotCzarny | maybe new neighbours |
| 12:17.08 | ceene | maybe, but probably it's all pretty much saturated anyhow |
| 12:17.22 | KotCzarny | but populated != used |
| 12:20.31 | ceene | i'm choosing a new channel |
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| 12:23.31 | ceene | Total wakeups 1018, 33.9/s | IRQ 795, 26.5/s | Timers 223, 7.4/s |
| 12:23.33 | ceene | o_O |
| 12:23.38 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:23.50 | KotCzarny | magic! |
| 12:23.54 | ceene | :P |
| 12:23.59 | ceene | i'll have to check on the workplace too |
| 12:24.23 | ceene | but i still think there may be something else |
| 12:24.25 | KotCzarny | but remember, other people factor is a random one |
| 12:25.04 | ceene | my impression is that i'm charging more than twice as much as a couple months ago |
| 12:25.23 | KotCzarny | do you have other n900s? |
| 12:25.34 | ceene | even when i left the phone on, but with all connections disabled during the night, it seems to waste too much energy |
| 12:25.37 | ceene | nop |
| 12:25.43 | ceene | you people are collectors or something! :P |
| 12:25.57 | ceene | this is my first n900, bought a year ago or so |
| 12:26.05 | ceene | the very first thing i did was replacing the battery |
| 12:26.22 | KotCzarny | i have also noticed that sometimes gsm network goes wild and phone starts searching and discharges battery in one night |
| 12:26.24 | ceene | i don't where it came from but that battery only lasted for a couple hours or so |
| 12:26.37 | ceene | yep, but that can be the case since i put it in plane mode |
| 12:26.47 | ceene | so there's some vampire inside |
| 12:26.55 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: what 'wildness'? :) |
| 12:27.09 | KotCzarny | sicelo: network noise |
| 12:27.21 | KotCzarny | which causes chip to search for networks too often |
| 12:27.47 | Sicelo | ok. you can try as root: pnatd .. then AT+CFUN=) |
| 12:27.50 | ceene | yep, that happens a lot on low coverage areas |
| 12:27.54 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:28.00 | Sicelo | AT+CFUN=0 rather |
| 12:28.15 | KotCzarny | ceene: but can also happen in city, if someone turns unregistered machine |
| 12:28.26 | KotCzarny | that produces noise on ALL bands |
| 12:28.36 | ceene | well, yes |
| 12:28.47 | KotCzarny | electric engines, microwaves, portable phones |
| 12:29.21 | KotCzarny | ceene: i usually charge once per 5-7 days |
| 12:29.27 | KotCzarny | and my battery is 6 years old |
| 12:29.36 | KotCzarny | but im not using n900 much |
| 12:29.40 | ceene | maybe it's that |
| 12:30.39 | ceene | with screen on, i.e. actively using the phone, bnf reports around 250~300mA |
| 12:30.51 | KotCzarny | yeah, screen eats much |
| 12:31.06 | ceene | with screen off, and new wifi channel it now reports about 13mA |
| 12:31.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 12:31.16 | ceene | so I guess idling will last quite a lot |
| 12:31.22 | ceene | but intensive use is such a killer |
| 12:31.42 | KotCzarny | as long your neighbours ap wont change its channel again |
| 12:32.01 | KotCzarny | buy double capacity battery |
| 12:32.01 | ceene | do you if 3g is better for battery life than wifi? |
| 12:32.07 | KotCzarny | 2200-2600mAh |
| 12:32.13 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:32.21 | KotCzarny | i even switched to 2g |
| 12:32.33 | KotCzarny | because it has better coverage here |
| 12:32.42 | KotCzarny | (ie. fewer network searches) |
| 12:34.21 | ceene | i'm going to have to reach a compromise between bandwidth, data rates and battery life |
| 12:34.34 | ceene | double capacity batteries aren't much expensive? |
| 12:34.41 | ceene | and much bigger :/ |
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| 12:40.29 | ceene | by the way, apart from being free software, is there an advantage on using pali's bme replacement? |
| 12:41.17 | ceene | (or disadvantage) |
| 12:42.53 | Pali | support for usb host mode |
| 12:43.08 | Pali | better software for power management |
| 12:43.18 | Pali | we heard that nokia BME is toxic |
| 12:43.45 | Pali | and it probably has some buffer overflow or so... (sending commands via i2c bus to non existant device...) |
| 12:44.12 | ceene | thank you, Pali |
| 12:44.18 | ceene | i'll be upgrading then :) |
| 12:44.26 | ceene | most probably later today after lunch |
| 12:44.55 | ceene | see ya, thanks to all of you! |
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| 13:51.46 | ceene | well, nothing seems broken |
| 13:52.12 | ceene | that's a nice start :) |
| 13:54.59 | antranigv | when you disable a repo from HAM, what does it do ? |
| 13:55.26 | antranigv | just comment in srouces.list? or more? |
| 13:56.09 | antranigv | cz I manualy disabled the extras-devel, but HAM was showing, but it didn't get stuck this time (: so I disabled it. |
| 14:06.49 | KotCzarny | pali: i use stock fremantle for 6 years |
| 14:07.00 | KotCzarny | didnt notice anything toxic |
| 14:07.25 | Pali | antranigv: yes, it delete it from sources.lists |
| 14:07.53 | Pali | KotCzarny: because you did not run strace or similar logging from linux kernel... |
| 14:08.05 | KotCzarny | yes, but my uptime is usually months |
| 14:08.49 | KotCzarny | so even if it does something weird, works good enough |
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| 17:49.05 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/eK9M9Qx.jpg |
| 17:49.07 | KotCzarny | do want. |
| 17:55.14 | scottc | 200GB seems a bit weird, why not a power of two like 256? |
| 17:55.38 | Pali | its GiB or GB? :D |
| 17:55.57 | KotCzarny | most likely GB |
| 17:56.01 | KotCzarny | still, do want |
| 17:56.03 | KotCzarny | ;) |
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| 18:33.42 | kerio | scottc: because there's probably a ton of reallocatable sectors |
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| 18:33.55 | kerio | the raw flash is probably 256GB |
| 18:34.20 | KotCzarny | i bet it's smaller than that |
| 18:34.31 | KotCzarny | 256 would be sold as 240 |
| 18:35.26 | kerio | mh |
| 18:35.35 | kerio | well, they did make a 256GB one |
| 18:35.36 | KotCzarny | unless they really went playing safe |
| 18:35.51 | kerio | but that's probably 256 * 10^9 bytes |
| 18:35.55 | KotCzarny | or use unavailable sectors for speed |
| 18:36.05 | KotCzarny | (internal journal maybe) |
| 18:37.39 | kerio | KotCzarny: well, it's quite a bit of memory crammed inside a really tiny space |
| 18:37.47 | KotCzarny | tru dat |
| 18:37.48 | kerio | maybe they weren't confident about their production process for the first runs |
| 18:39.02 | KotCzarny | still, it's amazing |
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| 18:39.41 | KotCzarny | amazingly amazing |
| 18:40.18 | KotCzarny | Moreover, the company explained to El Reg that the only reason this is a 200GB device and not 256GB is that at 15nm, the die had reached the maximum size which could be squeezed into the microSD form factor to the specifications and still allow space for SanDisk's control electronics. |
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| 20:48.41 | freemangordon | guys, do you know some English dictionary SW in extras? |
| 20:50.55 | Vajb | nope, but maybe some dictionary in ebub format is worth a shot |
| 20:57.40 | freemangordon | Vajb: thanks |
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