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| 07:25.08 | KotCzarny | yawn |
| 07:26.11 | KotCzarny | most people who try oscp say it's great, but only 4 actually voted |
| 07:26.50 | KotCzarny | one user said 'where is media library' but then when he actually learned how to used said 'it's great' |
| 07:28.26 | KotCzarny | pity there is no install stats |
| 07:38.40 | Sicelo | :) |
| 07:38.58 | Sicelo | yappri is taking all the attention |
| 07:39.06 | KotCzarny | not mine |
| 07:39.19 | KotCzarny | also, 12000 views is not 'lack of attention' |
| 07:39.59 | Sicelo | i'd like to bet Yappari has by far more |
| 07:40.00 | Sicelo | but |
| 07:40.19 | Sicelo | how many votes needed to promote oscp furhter? |
| 07:40.41 | KotCzarny | 6 |
| 07:41.51 | KotCzarny | as for 'views' yappari appeared in 2012 |
| 07:41.59 | KotCzarny | oscp appeared just month ago |
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| 07:58.49 | Sicelo | maybe i should test it out on my 2nd N900 |
| 07:59.41 | KotCzarny | you can test it even on pc |
| 08:03.55 | Sicelo | Vajb: yes, you can get calibration without shutting down bme. but bencoh is correct that the best, quickest way is to shutdown bme. |
| 08:08.47 | Entertained | calibration is overrated |
| 08:09.18 | Entertained | use pseudo defined dynamically linked models instead |
| 08:09.49 | Entertained | they allow for a scalable approach to bme supervision control and data acquisitioning |
| 08:12.45 | Entertained | KotCzarny, do you concur? |
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| 09:06.46 | kerio | Entertained: but are they web scale? |
| 09:10.02 | Entertained | kerio, no they are cluster oriented cloud optimized dingleflops |
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| 09:15.55 | bencoh | erm, I'm not sure we should feed him ... |
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| 09:27.21 | Vajb | k disabled two modules now to get proper calibration |
| 09:45.56 | bencoh | Vajb: which ones ? |
| 09:59.12 | Vajb | bq27x00 and rx51 as suggested by estel in one thread |
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| 11:13.54 | Vajb | hmm im still getting battery almost empty notifys.. |
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| 11:33.34 | Vajb | can safely announce that it didn't work |
| 11:33.52 | KotCzarny | exploded? |
| 11:33.53 | Vajb | still uncalibrated |
| 11:34.24 | Vajb | got 3303 when it said recharge and shut down |
| 11:34.50 | KotCzarny | what are you calibrating? |
| 11:34.58 | Vajb | guess i'll just leave it be |
| 11:35.00 | KotCzarny | battery circuit or some software? |
| 11:35.05 | Vajb | my battery |
| 11:35.13 | KotCzarny | grab external charger? |
| 11:35.36 | KotCzarny | have you tried charging it in stock fremantle n900? |
| 11:35.52 | Vajb | it loads just fine |
| 11:36.16 | Vajb | it just want bme replacement to show somewhat correct readings |
| 11:36.24 | bencoh | Vajb: what about disabling bme ? :p |
| 11:36.43 | Vajb | bencoh: isn't that what i did? |
| 11:36.59 | bencoh | unless you did "stop bme", probably not |
| 11:37.23 | Vajb | bencoh: modprobe -r bq27x00 and rx51 is what i did |
| 11:37.43 | Vajb | thread didn't say anything about stop bme |
| 11:38.13 | Vajb | well will see what happens when i got mugen battery |
| 11:38.25 | Vajb | till that i'll say fck it :) |
| 11:38.41 | KotCzarny | pop it into stock fremantle and cycle 1-2 times |
| 11:39.06 | ceene | KotCzarny Sicelo: people send me mails asking trivial questions about yappari but they still don't vote to promote latest versions, so to be honest... i don't know what's worse |
| 11:39.08 | Vajb | would have to install that first... |
| 11:39.21 | ceene | i'll try oscp this afternoon :) |
| 11:39.26 | KotCzarny | heh |
| 11:39.48 | KotCzarny | that's why i say current 'extras' system is broken |
| 11:40.23 | ceene | i don't know if it's the system or the people... |
| 11:40.35 | KotCzarny | people are lazy |
| 11:40.37 | ceene | 5 or 6 votes isn't much to ask |
| 11:40.38 | KotCzarny | and always were |
| 11:41.06 | KotCzarny | 'testing' is a good idea, but when there are no professional testers |
| 11:41.11 | KotCzarny | it's just not working |
| 11:41.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 11:41.36 | ceene | well, that's true: people write me to send them .deb file even when it's linked three times on the first post |
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| 11:41.53 | ceene | so... yes, people are lazy |
| 11:42.27 | ceene | maybe one or two testers per project could be the ones to vote and promote |
| 11:42.49 | ceene | i could count with one or two people to thoroughly test new releases |
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| 11:43.25 | KotCzarny | ceene, i would say that karma system + 'once it hits extras it's up to developer to decide which packages to promote' |
| 11:44.32 | ceene | that'd be fine too, probably |
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| 12:00.42 | M4rtinK | the Extras promotion system is not exactly user firendly |
| 12:00.48 | M4rtinK | it is kinda hidden |
| 12:00.56 | M4rtinK | and needs to be done in a browser |
| 12:01.08 | M4rtinK | needs a Maemo account, etc. |
| 12:01.18 | KotCzarny | m4rtink: you missed the issue |
| 12:01.32 | M4rtinK | it would be much better if it at least was doable from the application manager |
| 12:01.39 | KotCzarny | i put link to vote in my sig |
| 12:01.44 | KotCzarny | yet, only 4 people voted |
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| 12:03.08 | M4rtinK | 4 is actually good |
| 12:03.12 | M4rtinK | :) |
| 12:03.22 | KotCzarny | not good enough to promote a package |
| 12:03.23 | M4rtinK | I usually have to ask people on IRC |
| 12:04.13 | KotCzarny | and voting from pkg manager is as good as dropping voting completely, one could simply install 10 scratchboxes |
| 12:04.14 | KotCzarny | right? |
| 12:07.29 | M4rtinK | I'm not saying drop the account requirement |
| 12:07.47 | M4rtinK | but make it possible to vote from package manager with account |
| 12:07.49 | KotCzarny | not going to work, see 'people are lazy' |
| 12:08.30 | M4rtinK | would make it much easier to test & vote |
| 12:08.41 | M4rtinK | so it would be more likely people would test |
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| 12:18.47 | Wizzup | is it possible to use the n900 without battery (just an external power supply), does not necessarily have to be over the usb port |
| 12:19.21 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 12:19.32 | KotCzarny | or was it n800, hum |
| 12:23.13 | kerio | Wizzup: well |
| 12:23.20 | kerio | attach a fake battery to the battery pins |
| 12:27.28 | bencoh | 3.7V power supply |
| 12:27.54 | bencoh | and a resistor for bsi |
| 12:30.25 | Wizzup | ack |
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| 15:06.17 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: it also doesn't help non-free needs 10 votes |
| 15:07.04 | KotCzarny | as i said, system was ok when there were assigned testers, now it's just broken |
| 15:28.39 | M4rtinK | and as already state - it is rather cumbersome |
| 15:28.43 | M4rtinK | *stated |
| 15:28.51 | M4rtinK | and I think also not very known |
| 15:29.30 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: iirc it was the same for free, but got relaxed |
| 15:29.43 | freemangordon | I guess we could do it for non-free as well |
| 15:29.51 | freemangordon | just pester merlin1991 |
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| 16:06.41 | M4rtinK | BTW, in Fedora there is something similar |
| 16:06.46 | M4rtinK | called Bodhi |
| 16:07.05 | M4rtinK | packages also need karma |
| 16:07.21 | M4rtinK | but are automatically promoted after a while even if they don't get any |
| 16:07.37 | KotCzarny | fedora has much bigger user base |
| 16:07.56 | RicoSuave | https://forums.unvanquished.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1726 |
| 16:08.04 | M4rtinK | it also helps that there is a unified Fedora Account System |
| 16:08.29 | M4rtinK | and all contributors thus have a FAS account they can use to test and give karma |
| 16:08.38 | M4rtinK | but even then there are issues |
| 16:09.23 | M4rtinK | I'm maintaining a tool tat runs on first startup and it is rather tricky to test on a normal system |
| 16:09.58 | M4rtinK | so I quite often need to ask "proven packagers" that can override the karma requirements to promote it to stable manually |
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| 16:34.32 | KotCzarny | wow, 5th vote |
| 16:35.22 | ceene | that's mine :) |
| 16:35.37 | ceene | i've played a bit with oscp both on n900 and on the computer |
| 16:35.47 | ceene | and i quite like it |
| 16:35.52 | ceene | and seems to work okay |
| 16:35.54 | KotCzarny | you are 'agamez' ? |
| 16:35.58 | ceene | yes i am |
| 16:36.15 | KotCzarny | weird tmo shows you as ceene when viewing users |
| 16:36.23 | KotCzarny | thanks anyway :) |
| 16:36.43 | ceene | yes... on garage.maemo.org i'm agamez |
| 16:36.49 | ceene | but on the forum i registered as ceene |
| 16:36.57 | KotCzarny | also, if you find any bugs, missing features or just want to say it's great post to tmo |
| 16:37.08 | KotCzarny | or write here |
| 16:37.09 | ceene | i have a question, though |
| 16:37.16 | ceene | that maybe has been answered already |
| 16:37.26 | ceene | but i don't know what the three buttons on the right side bottom mean |
| 16:37.32 | ceene | on oscp-remote |
| 16:37.35 | KotCzarny | which ones? |
| 16:37.46 | RicoSuave | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 |
| 16:37.48 | KotCzarny | have you read the help that popup on the first run? |
| 16:37.52 | RicoSuave | ^^ |
| 16:37.56 | ceene | VSR |
| 16:37.57 | ceene | hehe |
| 16:38.01 | ceene | maybe not :P |
| 16:38.01 | KotCzarny | see the help |
| 16:38.17 | ceene | vids/shuffle/repeat |
| 16:38.18 | ceene | cool |
| 16:38.22 | KotCzarny | seriously, it's a must to describe what oscp is, what it can do |
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| 16:38.26 | ceene | i still don't know what vids stands for |
| 16:38.35 | KotCzarny | see the help |
| 16:38.41 | ceene | hehe |
| 16:38.45 | KotCzarny | it's not that long, just please read it |
| 16:38.52 | ceene | ok, sorry :) |
| 16:38.56 | ceene | people are lazy, remember! |
| 16:39.02 | KotCzarny | i know, i'm lazy too |
| 16:39.08 | KotCzarny | that's why i wrote that help popup |
| 16:39.09 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 16:40.35 | ceene | very nice |
| 16:41.03 | KotCzarny | it's mainly an audio player |
| 16:41.16 | KotCzarny | vids are here just because it was easy to add |
| 16:41.24 | KotCzarny | and actually can extend oscp functionality |
| 16:41.43 | KotCzarny | (ie. you can control pc core playing on tv from n900) |
| 16:41.49 | KotCzarny | or vice versa |
| 16:42.02 | ceene | i like that very much |
| 16:42.15 | ceene | i have a little x86 machine connected to my tv |
| 16:42.31 | ceene | and was thinking of connecting it directly to the amps |
| 16:42.57 | ceene | xbmc is too much for my poor little machine |
| 16:43.02 | ceene | so oscp is now a real candidate :) |
| 16:43.26 | KotCzarny | i have 200mhz vortex86 machine as my audio player ;) |
| 16:43.51 | KotCzarny | i think 32mb of ram is enough to run bare bones linux and oscp |
| 16:43.59 | ceene | one thing I don't like quite much is the use of the volume buttons |
| 16:44.12 | KotCzarny | on n900? |
| 16:44.14 | ceene | i keep pushing them to lower the volumne and the song skips |
| 16:44.18 | ceene | yes |
| 16:44.23 | KotCzarny | i did it on purpose |
| 16:44.39 | KotCzarny | but it's very easy for you to 'fix' |
| 16:44.43 | KotCzarny | as the remote is pygtk |
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| 16:48.45 | KotCzarny | look for: n900: hw |
| 16:49.12 | KotCzarny | and change self.next to self.volI(None,None) |
| 16:49.46 | ceene | cool, thanks! |
| 16:50.09 | KotCzarny | same for the other one too |
| 16:50.17 | KotCzarny | ie. self.prev to self.volD |
| 16:51.17 | ceene | testing right now |
| 16:52.02 | ceene | much better now, thanks! |
| 16:52.16 | RicoSuave | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 |
| 16:52.22 | RicoSuave | will that run on maemo |
| 16:52.32 | KotCzarny | i might add an option for it |
| 16:52.39 | KotCzarny | ie. to select vol keys function |
| 16:52.43 | KotCzarny | TODO'ed |
| 16:53.12 | ceene | i still find however lowest volume to be too loud |
| 16:53.34 | KotCzarny | it jumps 3 notches |
| 16:53.42 | KotCzarny | but system menu is just above |
| 16:53.53 | KotCzarny | and on n900 oscp actually does soft vol |
| 16:54.15 | KotCzarny | so changing volume in oscp doesn't change system vol in any way |
| 16:54.20 | ceene | i see |
| 16:54.34 | KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire |
| 16:54.41 | ceene | i can get out of oscp-remote and modify phone volume with the buttons |
| 16:55.03 | ceene | yep, and we shall dance around it |
| 16:55.36 | KotCzarny | if you don't do fullscreen then system tray (with volume) is just at the top |
| 16:56.04 | ceene | uh, i always forget about the volume slider there |
| 16:56.09 | ceene | i most usually use the buttons |
| 16:56.31 | KotCzarny | if you don't want oscp to touch hw vol buttons you can disable it |
| 16:57.04 | ceene | i'm not quite sure of what i want, to be honest |
| 16:57.11 | KotCzarny | at the very end of the file is: self.sbus.add_signal_receiver(self.handle_hsb... |
| 16:57.15 | KotCzarny | just comment that line |
| 16:58.56 | ceene | winamps skins work on n900? |
| 16:59.32 | KotCzarny | on n900 no, but on oscp-remote, yes |
| 16:59.43 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94727 |
| 16:59.48 | KotCzarny | grab the pack from here |
| 17:00.08 | KotCzarny | pressing clutterbar loads random skin from predefined list |
| 17:00.48 | ceene | 1.1gb of skins :O |
| 17:00.52 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 17:00.59 | KotCzarny | you can repack it on pc |
| 17:01.08 | KotCzarny | you can remove .wal ones |
| 17:01.14 | KotCzarny | and it will go down to 500megs |
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| 17:04.05 | ceene | oh, the ncurses interface is pretty |
| 17:04.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:04.39 | KotCzarny | and it's pretty convenient to use with one hand ;) |
| 17:06.36 | ceene | is it normal for pulseaudio to take so much cpu? |
| 17:06.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 17:06.47 | KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire |
| 17:07.08 | KotCzarny | especially the one implemented on n900 |
| 17:07.25 | KotCzarny | on pc when i pause, it doesn't generate any interrupts, just waits for data |
| 17:07.39 | KotCzarny | on n900 pause state doesn't stop pulseaudio madness.. |
| 17:07.54 | RicoSuave | https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished |
| 17:07.55 | ceene | :( |
| 17:08.39 | ceene | i always purge it out of my debian systems |
| 17:08.55 | ceene | i still don't know what purpose it serves, usually my audio works better when it's not running at all |
| 17:09.03 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 17:09.08 | KotCzarny | it's evil |
| 17:09.17 | bencoh | ceene: audio policy routing with multiple inputs/outputs |
| 17:09.27 | ceene | i guess we can't do the same on n900 |
| 17:09.48 | KotCzarny | well, you could, but using alsa directly on n900 can damage the internal speakers |
| 17:10.10 | KotCzarny | but if you use headphones or connect it to hifi, you dont have to worry |
| 17:10.14 | ceene | that doesn't sound very good either |
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| 17:17.22 | KotCzarny | ceene, if you want to play internet streams just put links into .m3u file |
| 17:19.43 | ceene | cool |
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| 17:24.03 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1461456&postcount=46 |
| 17:24.17 | KotCzarny | here is a pack stolen from screamerradio |
| 17:26.15 | KotCzarny | some work, some dont |
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