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00:57.29Sc0rpiusweeeeeee
00:57.31Sc0rpiusbut who uses that
00:57.34Sc0rpius:/
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06:10.06KotCzarnybencoh: can we get updated certs for stock fremantle?
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06:19.39kerioi really don't know why they decided to not go for the usual debian ca-certificates setup
06:20.03KotCzarnybecause.. reasons!
06:23.53PissnOffToolsEvrKotCzarny, because... whalepie!
06:26.45KotCzarnykerio, why not just add them from debian? package should be arch independent
06:27.03KotCzarnyand software as openssl/gnutls could use it
06:27.19PissnOffToolsEvrKotCzarny, but that would lead to no whale pie
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06:42.53zGrrmoin :)
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09:35.29newbieAlerthey how can we get list of free LBA ??
09:38.18KotCzarnywhat's lba?
09:39.00bencohyou ... cant, I guess
09:39.04bencohask your fs (?)
09:44.01newbieAlertbencoh: its ext4
09:44.12newbieAlertKotCzarny: its Logical Block Address
09:47.34KotCzarnynewbiealert: then use debug2fs to print them
09:47.39KotCzarnyfor ext2/3/4
09:47.43KotCzarnyfor fat i dont know
09:48.38KotCzarnydebugfs i mean
09:48.44newbieAlertbencoh: Actually m trying to put all teh frequently used files, sequentially according to LBA .. copying files to a new location will get them a sequential LBAs ( idk but its still not *exactly* sequential, some of the LBAs are reserved kindof, maybe for file inmcrement ).
09:48.54KotCzarnynewbiealert.. don't
09:49.23bencohnewbieAlert: to avoid defrag, maybe
09:49.30KotCzarnyit could have some meaning for regular hdd, for flash, dont mess with it
09:49.35newbieAlertKotCzarny: yeah thtas the reason.
09:50.45newbieAlertKotCzarny: I am not overwriting the LBAs. Copying a file to a new location is a safe procedure i guess. For i change i wanted to copy a file to a specific LBA and for taht i needed free LBAs.
09:51.13newbieAlertbencoh: yeah.. thats to avoid defrag.
09:51.37bencohwhy are you doing this ?
09:51.50KotCzarnybecause of weird idea he has
09:52.02KotCzarnythat defragging flash would result in noticeable gains
09:52.55newbieAlertKotCzarny: I dont have flash. Using Hdd. Sequential LBA should be read faster than distributed ones.
09:53.07KotCzarnyahm, so it's not n900 related?
09:53.45newbieAlertKotCzarny: Nope. Just a doubt.. I ofn think flash is affected by frag that much . Is it ??
09:53.47KotCzarnybut remember that when os loads it reads more than one file at a time
09:54.15KotCzarnyflash is mostly affected during writes
09:54.22KotCzarnybut for reads it doesnt matter much
09:55.36KotCzarnybut if it's a pc, just run some livecd, copy files somewhere safe, format, copy them back
09:55.38newbieAlertKotCzarny: It reads more blocks near the current one. Its not necessary that the read block is desired by the user. So if the most frequently used files are near each other, there is more probablility of rading righ tfiles.
09:55.58KotCzarnyit would create nicely defragmented files
09:56.08newbieAlertKotCzarny: SO defragging a flash will help improving performance ?
09:56.10KotCzarnyat least till the next apt-get update/upgrade
09:56.26KotCzarnynewbiealert: not really
09:56.34bencoh10:56 < KotCzarny> at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade
09:56.35bencoh+1
09:57.14bencohyour neat-and-tidy situation probably wont last long on a daily-used system
09:57.28KotCzarnyunless your /home is on separate partition
09:57.35KotCzarnyand /var /tmp
09:57.47bencohthen the problem would be your /home :)
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09:58.14KotCzarnystill, i haven't defragged my hdd even once
09:58.18newbieAlertbencoh: Yeah i know. :/
09:58.23bencohanyway, if you're talking about a recent/decent laptop/desktop, most of your open files/libraries are in cache
09:58.37KotCzarnythough i have changed drives few times, but then again, updates usually mess it again
09:58.51bencohKotCzarny: same here ... on *nix at least
09:58.56newbieAlertKotCzarny: yep /home is on seperate partition and the files used are usuall config files.
09:59.21KotCzarnybut as i said,don't bother ext3/4 has internal defrag algos
09:59.31KotCzarnyie. has separate zones for small/big files
09:59.36newbieAlertbencoh: yes. They are cache dafter being read.
09:59.45newbieAlertKotCzarny: Got it :)
10:00.45KotCzarnyIf fragmentation does occur, the file system will attempt to move the files around to reduce fragmentation in normal use, without the need for a defragmentation utility
10:01.08KotCzarnyso just keep at least 10-20% of your fs free
10:01.11KotCzarnyand don't worry
10:01.14newbieAlertKotCzarny: until disk is nearly full :P
10:01.27newbieAlertKotCzarny: thanks ..
10:01.36newbieAlertbencoh: Thanks.
10:02.22newbieAlertKotCzarny: btw, i saw your post in tmo. How come your N900 lasts for 6-7 days ??
10:02.35newbieAlertmine one dies in 24 hrs. :/
10:02.36KotCzarnyi barely use it
10:02.44bencoh:]
10:02.46KotCzarnymostly for calls (rare anyway)
10:03.00newbieAlertKotCzarny: oh.. :D You had me scared.
10:03.04KotCzarny:)
10:04.47newbieAlertKotCzarny: bencoh : hey sorry for bothering too much, last for the time being, there was this thread for changing hildon to blackbox. Anyone managed to do it correctly after that ?? Thread died years ago.
10:05.25KotCzarnyi haven't tried
10:06.02newbieAlerthttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58090
10:08.40bencohlooking at the thread, I doubt it would feel better
10:08.45bencohhonestly
10:09.21honestlyWHO DARES SUMMON ME
10:09.30bencohhaha
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10:10.33newbieAlertbencoh: yeah .. i was just wondering. Whenever the phone is in use, hildon-desktop takes 3-4% of CPU normally and much more sometimes.
10:10.53andrilhello
10:10.58KotCzarnynewbiealert: do you have any widgets or changing icons?
10:11.33bencohKotCzarny: those should show as hildon-home
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10:11.50bencohnewbieAlert: it doesnt show that much here
10:11.59newbieAlertKotCzarny: Not amything that changes . just a QBW to have for changing swap, one to view pictures from YAppari in feh and a phone shortcut.
10:12.09bencohnewbieAlert: apart from when I swich window
10:12.26bencohbut with transitions ... what would you expect ? :)
10:12.45andrilany n9 users here?
10:13.16newbieAlertbencoh: Switch between apps and top , hildon-desktop should hit 3-4%
10:13.26bencohyeah
10:14.54newbieAlertbencoh: YEah.Opened menu (catorise) and subemnu and switched to top.. H-d 11% :/
10:15.28KotCzarnydisable eyecandies
10:15.33KotCzarnythen try again
10:15.45bencohthere is a "fast" transitions.ini around in tmo
10:16.02bencoh(actually there are lots of them ... just double check the syntax, and backup yours)
10:16.04newbieAlertbencoh: thats what is use.
10:16.11bencohoh
10:16.20newbieAlertbencoh: CSSU tuner && themecustomizer provide the option.
10:16.27bencohhmm
10:20.49newbieAlertbencoh: ANd my fapman is not updating catalogues. log : Conflicting distribution repo...fremantle-1.3 && few GPG erroe &&  failed to fetch extras-devel Hash Sum mismatch.
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10:21.32KotCzarnyanother (un)happy user of -devel?
10:22.20newbieAlertKotCzarny: Idk it was working fine till 2 days before.
10:22.51KotCzarnywhat are your repos?
10:24.10newbieAlertKotCzarny: Fapman : extras, extars-devel fremantle ssu mr00 freamtle ssu apps cssu community-thunm cssu devel community-testing
10:24.58KotCzarnyo.O
10:25.16newbieAlertand /etc/apt/sources.list is empty.
10:25.41KotCzarnypastebin output of apt-get update
10:25.50newbieAlertKotCzarny: I didn change default repos of fapman. except bloakced OVI.
10:26.30newbieAlertKotCzarny: Let me install it.
10:26.37KotCzarnyo.o
10:26.41KotCzarnyinstall what?
10:27.19newbieAlertpastebinit.
10:27.37KotCzarnyssh onto device, then just copypaste with your mouse?
10:28.33bencoh~fapman
10:28.33infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
10:28.54bencoh~speedyHAM
10:28.54infobotspeedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb
10:29.00bencohI tought as much
10:29.06bencohthought*
10:29.26bencohnewbieAlert: dunno the answer to your question, but ... :p
10:29.46newbieAlertbencoh: I didnot upgrade anything from fapman. it was fine like 2 days ago. I needed abiword, then found fapman not working. used apt.
10:30.02bencohanyway, I'd just not use fapman :)
10:30.04newbieAlertbencoh: thanks for help :P didn know about speedyham.
10:30.28bencohI thought it was in cssu-testing though, now
10:31.00KotCzarnybencoh: autoremove is evil
10:31.05KotCzarnyespecially if you add/remove repos
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10:31.22bencohKotCzarny: precisely
10:31.35KotCzarnywhen i was playing with debian testing it got confused and tried to remove core packages
10:31.47bencohhm, right, speedyHAM is in cssu-testing (T10)
10:32.30bencohandril: did you try #harmattan ?
10:32.34KotCzarnybtw. solar eclipse tomorrow in north-west eu
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10:34.05newbieAlert_onflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
10:34.05newbieAlert_Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
10:34.36newbieAlert_sorry, dont have ssh installed too :P and pastebin didn work.
10:34.47KotCzarnyno ssh? fix that
10:34.53KotCzarnyit's ESSENTIAL
10:34.55KotCzarny;)
10:35.03newbieAlert_Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz  Hash Sum mismatch
10:35.15KotCzarnymaybe it was failed download
10:35.23newbieAlertKotCzarny AYe AYe sir :)
10:36.11newbieAlert_rr https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release  
10:36.20newbieAlert_thats err.
10:36.38KotCzarnychange fremantle-1.3 to fremantle then apt-get update
10:36.45KotCzarnyfor starters
10:37.00newbieAlertKotCzarny: for devel only ??
10:37.21bencohhmm
10:37.26newbieAlertKotCzarny: Its in process...
10:37.28KotCzarnyif i remember correctly one without number is the current one
10:37.31andrilyes thanks bencoh
10:37.58newbieAlertKotCzarny: Maybe.. but this setup worked till 2 days ago :/
10:38.09KotCzarnyif you change it will reget it
10:38.23KotCzarnymaybe error will go away
10:41.08newbieAlertKotCzarny: Changed in Fapman & its stuck
10:41.41KotCzarnyalso, might be obvious, but check free space
10:42.18newbieAlertKotCzarny: If it was not freamntle-1.3 , then sould not it give unable to fethc :L host unreachable than hash sum mismatch.
10:42.28newbieAlertKotCzarny: Root has 61 mb.
10:42.39KotCzarnyand /opt ?
10:42.53newbieAlertKotCzarny: And thank you :P it worked :D :D
10:42.58KotCzarny:)
10:43.05newbieAlertKotCzarny: /opt is abpout 6 gb .
10:43.32KotCzarnyas i said, maybe it was failed download
10:43.40newbieAlertKotCzarny: Thnaks ... :) Done bothering you for the day.. Thank you :) :)
10:43.52newbieAlertbencoh: Thank you :) :)
10:43.55newbieAlertbye :)
10:45.18KotCzarnyanother happy hacker
10:56.41bencohamazing, speedyHAM actually works (when regular HAM doesnt)
10:57.51KotCzarny;)
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12:52.33infobotmethinks speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb
12:52.55sixwheeledbeastspeedyHAM does rock
12:53.07KotCzarnyapt-* ftw!
12:53.47bencoh:)
13:04.27IcebergCoolzcan you run freertos on the n900
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13:17.00bencohinfobot: uboot has been ported to beagleboard/omap3, so ... maybe
13:17.11bencoherm, s/uboot/freertos/
13:17.17bencoh(messed brainà
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15:05.12Lord_Fark_IImaemo is gaymo
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15:22.03merlin1991Hm?
15:36.37Lord_Fark_IIgameo weebo meego mer neemo wiiu
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15:36.49bencoh?
15:37.53Lord_Fark_IIits orca speak; ask KotCzarny
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16:16.33APicCelebrate Mojoday!
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16:19.42bencoh:]
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16:33.08Lord_Fark_IIwhale pie and the infinite monkey
16:33.14Lord_Fark_II!
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17:28.33Lord_Fark_IIKotCzarny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
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17:30.21bencohnow I can see why he got banned on sailfish chans :/
17:30.27KotCzarny:)
17:30.50KotCzarnytroll is trolling
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18:50.29KotCzarnyhrm
18:50.41KotCzarnyanyone here wrote audio eq ?
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20:02.38KotCzarnywoo, it wooorks, muahahahaha
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