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| 07:15.52 | VegeShite_Mite | *callbacks* is the name given to a technique where a function takes in, as arguments, other functions by way of pointers allowing access to multiple functions of the same prototype (per argument). In essence it is a technique that provides a function with a method to "call-back" functions currently on the heap. |
| 07:16.22 | VegeShite_Mite | whois KotCzarny> |
| 07:16.27 | VegeShite_Mite | whois KotCzarny |
| 07:16.34 | VegeShite_Mite | whois VegeShite_Mite |
| 07:16.37 | VegeShite_Mite | !whois VegeShite_Mite |
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| 07:30.35 | KotCzarny | bleh |
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| 09:01.41 | Humpelstilzchen | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0hx2vxxTMg anyone wants to port to maemo :D |
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| 10:08.40 | Melissa_ | Hi guys |
| 10:09.28 | drathir | hi... |
| 10:10.08 | Melissa_ | What is it? :p |
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| 10:14.54 | bencoh | morning all |
| 10:21.30 | KotCzarny | yawn |
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| 10:29.38 | TruthCanUdigIt | sigh... |
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| 11:04.44 | drathir | Melissa_: what is what ? |
| 11:06.08 | Melissa_ | The "hi" followed by an ellipsis |
| 11:06.25 | Melissa_ | It seemed... unwelcoming |
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| 11:40.57 | drathir | Melissa_: no, no, its normal at me... |
| 11:42.22 | drathir | Melissa_: sorry for take that bad... no bad or unwelcomed intentions... |
| 11:42.32 | Melissa_ | Okay then :) |
| 11:44.01 | drathir | Melissa_: thanks, and ofc welcome... |
| 11:51.59 | Vegeshite_Mite | KotCzarny, hows the infinite monkey pie |
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| 13:39.49 | KotCzarny | hmm, will i have to vote on every version of package to get it to extras or it's just once? |
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| 13:48.28 | bencoh | KotCzarny: well, you can break it on every version, so ... ;p |
| 13:48.34 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: every version |
| 13:48.46 | KotCzarny | that.. sucks a bit |
| 13:49.36 | bencoh | it's on purpose |
| 13:50.47 | KotCzarny | also, libcurl+openssl is broken on fremantle |
| 13:52.12 | KotCzarny | bencoh: but rationale would be 'my package reached stable quality, no more need for showing it's accepted' |
| 13:52.31 | bencoh | not quite so |
| 13:52.35 | sixwheeledbeast | but the new version "could" have a bug |
| 13:52.39 | bencoh | it's "this version is stable" |
| 13:52.46 | bencoh | "you can safely use it/replace the old one" |
| 13:52.53 | KotCzarny | but usually next version is more stable than previous |
| 13:53.02 | bencoh | erm, not really |
| 13:53.12 | bencoh | not necessarily, at least |
| 13:53.25 | sixwheeledbeast | not if you introduce new features and break something |
| 13:54.04 | KotCzarny | is testers team still a thing? |
| 13:54.14 | KotCzarny | otherwise it's just random people clicking |
| 13:54.42 | KotCzarny | and not necessarily tested package |
| 13:54.48 | sixwheeledbeast | there was an exception rule a long time ago that very minor bugfixes could be pushed up manually, but that would need repo admin to do that. |
| 13:55.07 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: that is part of the problem. |
| 13:55.17 | KotCzarny | that's why i raise this issue |
| 13:55.41 | sixwheeledbeast | some voters don't test the packages correctly. Also man power on testing is very low now. |
| 13:56.25 | sixwheeledbeast | When I had more time I was trying to push the package testing but it was very slow. |
| 13:56.27 | KotCzarny | imo it's unnecessary in current state of community |
| 13:57.11 | sixwheeledbeast | this is how promotion has gone by the way side and devel repo is wrongly enabled everywhere |
| 13:57.34 | KotCzarny | yes, because there is almost no current software |
| 13:57.52 | bencoh | I'm pretty sure most of us use apt-pining ;) |
| 13:58.09 | KotCzarny | imo it should be up to dev to assume package is worth promoting |
| 13:58.11 | sixwheeledbeast | It's difficult to fix without 6-8 solid testers and there time to package test |
| 13:58.12 | bencoh | (yeah, I know that's not true) |
| 13:59.19 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/ |
| 13:59.23 | KotCzarny | look at this |
| 13:59.28 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pierogi/ |
| 13:59.30 | KotCzarny | and this |
| 13:59.54 | bencoh | KotCzarny: that specific example is a bad one |
| 14:00.04 | KotCzarny | people won't bother with updating to 'extras' and the extras-devel will become 'standard' repo |
| 14:00.20 | bencoh | there are a lot of people testing pierogi, but the developer has always been extra cautious ... a bit too much :) |
| 14:00.33 | KotCzarny | 3 years without promoting? |
| 14:00.37 | KotCzarny | hardly believable |
| 14:00.41 | bencoh | see related thread |
| 14:00.50 | bencoh | it's still in -devel, not in testing ;) |
| 14:01.06 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: that is not correct with that package. |
| 14:01.19 | KotCzarny | still, extras-devel lost it's primary role as a 'put before i promote' |
| 14:01.54 | KotCzarny | and without testers it's not going to get back |
| 14:02.24 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree that example is a bad one. the maintainer has not been around and didn't which to push up until recently |
| 14:02.52 | KotCzarny | i had to grab 1.1.x in the past from extras-devel too |
| 14:02.53 | sixwheeledbeast | s/which/wish/ |
| 14:03.18 | Vegeshite_Mite | derp derp derp |
| 14:03.36 | sixwheeledbeast | You see he is using the repos correctly. |
| 14:03.39 | bencoh | KotCzarny: -devel vs -testing is a developer/maintainer issue, not a tester issue |
| 14:03.59 | bencoh | KotCzarny: -testing vs extras, on the other hand, is a (lack of) testers issue |
| 14:04.00 | KotCzarny | i bet no one has testing enabled |
| 14:04.00 | sixwheeledbeast | extras version is considered "stable" and later versions are not. |
| 14:04.12 | KotCzarny | - some specific persons |
| 14:05.04 | sixwheeledbeast | It's not worth slowing HAM down to have testing enabled. I fortunately have one device specifically for -testing. |
| 14:05.05 | KotCzarny | swb: as i said, i wouldn't mind if the community was more alive and/or had active testers |
| 14:05.27 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: isnt cssu-testing HAM fast enough for that ? |
| 14:05.42 | KotCzarny | but now to get any usable software for my n900 i have to use -devel |
| 14:05.59 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes, it's something to mention to CC. Maybe the threshold for promotion could be lowered. |
| 14:06.02 | bencoh | (to be honest, I cant even use regular HAM even if I wanted to, so I just stick to apt ... with -testing/-devel and pining) |
| 14:06.36 | bencoh | +n |
| 14:06.40 | KotCzarny | swb: i would vote on letting developer decide when package is worth extras and when it's not |
| 14:08.03 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: it has slowly been going like that for a while unfortunately. I don't agree Maemo must look after it's Extras packages. They are enabled on EVERY Maemo device in the world so MUST be tested. |
| 14:08.10 | sixwheeledbeast | ~2113 |
| 14:09.10 | KotCzarny | no testing team == what testing? |
| 14:09.44 | KotCzarny | and no current software == dead device |
| 14:10.07 | bencoh | wow, finally, my TMO account got linked with my maemo.org profile ... |
| 14:10.13 | bencoh | I wonder what happened |
| 14:10.21 | bencoh | looks like miracle |
| 14:10.23 | sixwheeledbeast | Doesn't matter. Packages cant simply be allowed on EVERY device because the dev says. |
| 14:11.52 | sixwheeledbeast | It would be far to easy to package a "rm" script, push to extras and kill "stable" devices. Some Maemo users have no technical knowledge I must point out. |
| 14:12.43 | sixwheeledbeast | As long as Maemo CSSU is active Maemo can say alive IMO. |
| 14:12.51 | KotCzarny | swb: i agree with that, still, you could do the same with extras-devel |
| 14:13.59 | bencoh | KotCzarny: extras-devel should still only be enabled by people with tech knowledge |
| 14:14.01 | KotCzarny | but if someone wanted to plant such 'feature', it could hide in legitimate package that activates with time |
| 14:14.25 | KotCzarny | bencoh: in reality if someone wants software, -devel is usually a must |
| 14:16.27 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: exactly. |
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| 14:18.54 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I think we all agree with the fact that the promotion system is a bit off, and repos dont always reflect available software status, but ... |
| 14:20.16 | KotCzarny | you have to decide what's better, and telling anyone to 'just enable -devel and install' to actually have software, is missing point of -devel |
| 14:25.11 | KotCzarny | i think quarantine is enough for devs/people to spot if package is bad |
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| 18:34.05 | wizbit | ive forgotton the pin code for my n900 |
| 18:34.27 | wizbit | after a certain amount of attempts will the n900 stop accepting any code or will the correct code still work? |
| 18:34.36 | KotCzarny | will work |
| 18:35.05 | KotCzarny | unless it's pin for sim card |
| 18:35.55 | wizbit | I have installed http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON on it |
| 18:35.59 | wizbit | maybe thats blocked it |
| 18:36.33 | KotCzarny | depends what you did with it |
| 18:58.41 | wizbit | im pretty sure im using the correct pin but its not unlocking :( |
| 18:59.43 | Sicelo | N900 locking seems to be a random hiccup once in a while .. i get that too. |
| 18:59.56 | wizbit | is there a way around it? |
| 19:00.43 | Sicelo | no idea. you're looking at hacking it i think .. |
| 19:00.52 | Sicelo | something to do with john the ripper |
| 19:01.18 | KotCzarny | first thing to check if it's sim locked or phone locked |
| 19:01.23 | wizbit | i dont have a network connect until i enter the pin |
| 19:01.36 | KotCzarny | so you can use phone etc? |
| 19:01.47 | wizbit | no just the enter lock code screen |
| 19:02.12 | KotCzarny | try without the simcard? |
| 19:02.19 | Sicelo | he has phone lock :) |
| 19:02.27 | drathir | wizbit: try search about master lock code... |
| 19:03.06 | KotCzarny | can you ssh to it? |
| 19:03.07 | wizbit | i can use the PUK code instead i think |
| 19:03.10 | wizbit | no network |
| 19:03.36 | drathir | wizbit: puk is not phone code related i guess... |
| 19:03.47 | KotCzarny | puk is sim card related |
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| 19:04.06 | drathir | puk unlock Your simafter 3 bad tries... |
| 19:04.37 | KotCzarny | have you checked obvious codes 00000 or 12345? |
| 19:04.43 | drathir | 3 bad tries of pin + 10 bad tries of puk = burn the card... |
| 19:05.06 | wizbit | ill put sim in another phone and test if sim is still ok |
| 19:05.35 | KotCzarny | you can get replacement sim card from your provider |
| 19:05.41 | Sicelo | how many times have you put in code till now? |
| 19:05.56 | drathir | also not sure sone nokias like 6230i have a special brute force prevention after several bad tryes... |
| 19:05.56 | wizbit | loads |
| 19:06.01 | drathir | some* |
| 19:06.12 | KotCzarny | sim card locks after 3 tries |
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| 19:06.36 | wizbit | sim card works on other phone |
| 19:06.42 | wizbit | i dont think its been blocked |
| 19:06.47 | KotCzarny | then it's phone lock |
| 19:06.55 | KotCzarny | try the obvious codes 00000 and 12345 |
| 19:06.56 | wizbit | yep |
| 19:06.59 | wizbit | tried those |
| 19:07.09 | drathir | that mean its a phone code issue like say... |
| 19:07.14 | KotCzarny | then you have to flash it and recover pin |
| 19:07.20 | wizbit | ohh no |
| 19:07.27 | wizbit | is there a way to mount the filesystem |
| 19:07.35 | wizbit | and get the lock code that way |
| 19:08.04 | Sicelo | yes, you can mount FS, but iirc lock code is in CAL, where you can't mount (i could be wrong) |
| 19:08.11 | drathir | wizbit: hard w/o access if no pali magic staff installed... |
| 19:08.15 | KotCzarny | http://lifewithmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/01/recovering-n900-phone-lock-code.html |
| 19:08.40 | wizbit | is it possible that my lock code has got corrupt? |
| 19:08.41 | KotCzarny | but it all requires access to mtd |
| 19:08.59 | KotCzarny | wizbit, all i can guess is smscon set it's own lock code |
| 19:09.13 | drathir | wizbit: really low i guess like win on lottery... |
| 19:09.15 | Sicelo | try to see if the USB prompt doesn't come up even with the lock code screen showing (not sure .. my USB is bust for a year now) |
| 19:09.16 | KotCzarny | maybe you can unlock it via it too |
| 19:09.51 | Sicelo | smscon doesn't set a lock code. only has a code to access the smscon settings |
| 19:10.05 | KotCzarny | sicelo, we don't know what he did with smscon |
| 19:11.11 | drathir | also if good remember is possible with praying only flash system not touchin data, but not reccomended... |
| 19:11.37 | KotCzarny | wizbit, you can try using smscon to unlock phone |
| 19:11.38 | Sicelo | yes .. and? smscon doesn't set a lock code. |
| 19:11.52 | drathir | wizbit: w/o pali bootloader, and recorvery menu all hard..m. |
| 19:11.52 | KotCzarny | sicelo, but it can lock/unlock phone |
| 19:12.39 | Sicelo | hmm, you should try it. i have |
| 19:12.54 | drathir | !ping |
| 19:12.58 | drathir | ? ping |
| 19:13.08 | Sicelo | pong :) |
| 19:13.13 | drathir | ! ping |
| 19:13.13 | KotCzarny | boing |
| 19:13.47 | drathir | ~ping |
| 19:13.47 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:13.54 | Sicelo | wizbit: try to see if the USB prompt doesn't come up even with the lock code screen showing .. does that work? |
| 19:13.59 | drathir | there You are... |
| 19:14.25 | drathir | ~lock code |
| 19:14.29 | wizbit | just connected usb cable, but nothing came uop |
| 19:14.37 | Sicelo | :( |
| 19:14.43 | wizbit | i do have backup menu installed |
| 19:14.52 | drathir | ~phone code |
| 19:15.06 | drathir | brb |
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| 19:18.37 | wizbit | scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 |
| 19:18.46 | wizbit | i got mass storage mode working using backup menu |
| 19:18.49 | KotCzarny | usb doesn';t export mtd |
| 19:18.54 | wizbit | dam |
| 19:19.28 | Sicelo | the idea was to start usb networking ;) |
| 19:20.08 | Sicelo | i'm not sure if RescueOS has mtdtools .. it might |
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| 19:22.38 | drathir | ok w/o access to phone even reflash i guess what told me...m |
| 19:23.04 | drathir | wizbit: lol have You backup menu? |
| 19:23.09 | wizbit | yes |
| 19:23.13 | drathir | ... |
| 19:23.35 | drathir | make a full backup on the memory card not compressed... |
| 19:23.44 | wizbit | ok |
| 19:24.05 | drathir | that for the start for security reasons... |
| 19:24.28 | wizbit | i already have a backup on my server |
| 19:24.35 | Sicelo | i wonder if this idea would work ... in one of the early startup scripts (which run sometime before the lock screen), put in a script that waits a minute or so, then runs the command to remove the displayed lock screen ... maybe that would at least get you to Maemo's terminal. you can access these scripts from USB networking in BM, iirc. the command you need is in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1374022&postcount=2. |
| 19:24.58 | wizbit | ace thanks :D |
| 19:27.41 | wizbit | holy cows i just remember the code |
| 19:27.50 | wizbit | unless there was a timer on it |
| 19:27.54 | wizbit | from smscon |
| 19:28.56 | wizbit | writes code to a file |
| 19:29.15 | wizbit | thanks for your help, that was scary as hell |
| 19:29.21 | wizbit | checks smscon settings |
| 19:29.26 | Sicelo | shoots wizbit |
| 19:29.27 | Sicelo | lol |
| 19:29.32 | KotCzarny | why scare, in the worst you can reflash |
| 19:29.50 | wizbit | that is a big headache what would take hours for me |
| 19:30.18 | KotCzarny | and unless you have jerks around, no point in setting the code |
| 19:30.46 | Sicelo | just that N900 once in a while activates it on reboot :( |
| 19:30.56 | KotCzarny | does it? |
| 19:30.58 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 19:31.05 | KotCzarny | never had such event |
| 19:31.19 | KotCzarny | for 6 years straight |
| 19:31.21 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:31.47 | Sicelo | software hiccup maybe, but i'm not the only one who's had this. see tmo |
| 19:33.08 | drathir | wizbit: after pm me... |
| 19:33.38 | drathir | wizbit: im always better tryin to be secure that why backup.m.. |
| 19:34.18 | drathir | wizbit: but stay on good mind... |
| 19:35.29 | drathir | wizbit: and ++ for backup menu with them able to recorver... |
| 19:35.43 | wizbit | ace :D |
| 19:36.00 | wizbit | rule no.1 always write your pin code down in a secure place |
| 19:36.09 | wizbit | then you know for sure if its software problem |
| 19:36.13 | KotCzarny | or just set it to 00000 |
| 19:36.14 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:36.18 | wizbit | heh |
| 19:36.27 | drathir | wizbit: no no, always left You backdoor... |
| 19:36.36 | drathir | in that case backup menu... |
| 19:37.21 | wizbit | rule no.2 if your having problems with lock code, dont restart phone, because you cant get your network back |
| 19:37.31 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:37.48 | KotCzarny | set your code to 00000 |
| 19:37.54 | wizbit | lol |
| 19:38.08 | wizbit | i guess that might be quite secure, whoever would think of that |
| 19:38.51 | KotCzarny | for security dont leave phone between jerks |
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| 19:46.01 | drathir | wizbit: enable ssh access to phone and auto connect to home wifi... |
| 19:46.27 | drathir | but with backup menu is easy way... |
| 19:46.57 | sixwheeledbeast | I don't any have issues with lockcode but it is always good to change it and keep it safe. |
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| 19:47.57 | sixwheeledbeast | if your playing with SMSCON this can trigger the lockcode so best to set a lockcode first. |
| 19:48.28 | KotCzarny | to 00000 |
| 19:50.14 | sixwheeledbeast | not necessarily, that defeats the object of SMSCON really. |
| 19:51.20 | KotCzarny | offtopic, anyone knows nice light audio eq library ? |
| 19:51.37 | KotCzarny | my google skills fail on this topic |
| 19:52.36 | Sicelo | imo, lock code should not be used at all with smscon. your hope is that the thief connects to some internet somewhere ... from which you may be able to remote into the device, take pic with front cam, etc. .. so if you enable lock code with smscon, you're basically indicationg you never want to see that N900 ever again |
| 19:53.02 | Sicelo | (not that you stand good chance to recover the N900 with smscon anyway, haha .. but you have chances) |
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| 20:13.00 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: it depends on how you plan to recover your device. |
| 20:14.26 | sixwheeledbeast | I have a modified lock code screen with contact details and address. Also it depends if you want to keep the contents of the device secure too. |
| 20:14.55 | KotCzarny | sensitive data on mobile? bad idea |
| 20:16.04 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: well phone numbers/addresses/calender information. You have no choice about sensitive data if you want to use your device. |
| 20:16.42 | KotCzarny | i do not consider my phonebook sensitive |
| 20:22.43 | KotCzarny | on the other hand, storing cc card number or passwords IS sensitive |
| 20:23.41 | sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: that is plain stupid to do in plain text. |
| 20:23.59 | KotCzarny | ever did online banking via webbrowser? |
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| 20:42.27 | bencoh | KotCzarny: works, here :) |
| 20:43.22 | bencoh | err, nevermind |
| 20:43.32 | KotCzarny | um? |
| 20:43.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 20:44.58 | KotCzarny | btw. is there a package with updated certificates? |
| 20:46.31 | KotCzarny | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bagder/ca-bundle/master/ca-bundle.crt |
| 20:46.32 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 20:46.53 | KotCzarny | it's a bundle extracted from mozilla |
| 20:47.54 | KotCzarny | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bagder/ca-bundle/e9175fec5d0c4d42de24ed6d84a06d504d5e5a09/ca-bundle.crt |
| 20:48.04 | KotCzarny | and this one is the last one with 1024bits certs |
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| 22:16.10 | bencoh | KotCzarny: cssu has a more-or-less up-to-date cert bundle |
| 22:16.18 | bencoh | and we have bundle updates |
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| 23:33.07 | totalizator | wee, I have built weechat-1.1.1 for N900 with perl, python plugins working |
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| 23:57.08 | sixwheeledbeast | weeeee |