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| 02:18.51 | Oksana | Does anybody know that Mugen offers free worldwide shipping, for the next 4 hours? http://mugen.co/nokia/nokia-n900.html |
| 02:20.31 | Oksana | Not just N900, but all and any of their products? |
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| 02:27.00 | Oksana | Such as, N810: http://mugen.co/nokia/nokia-n810/akkumuljator-povyshennoj-emkosti-mugen-power-3600mah-dlja-nokia-n810-with-battery-door-in-blue.html |
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| 02:27.45 | kopple | hello, does anyone know if Nokia Panorama for maemo is still available somewhere for download? |
| 02:28.31 | kopple | the Ovi Store page for it was deleted |
| 02:28.46 | Oksana | kopple: In the worst case, I will upload it somewhere... |
| 02:29.08 | kopple | that would be very appreciated |
| 02:29.24 | kopple | could it be added to maemo's community repositories? |
| 02:33.08 | Oksana | kopple: same file twice : ( ;-) Not me) https://openrepos.net/content/koenigseggccgt/panorama https://openrepos.net/content/hooddy/nokia-panorama Thanks to Estel for pointer :-) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63215&page=11 |
| 02:33.57 | Oksana | kopple: I think that it could be added into non-free repositories at maemo.org , but it depends on legalities (re-distribution rights, and such...) |
| 02:34.01 | kopple | oh that's fantastic! I didn't find that forum thread |
| 02:34.39 | kopple | well, if Nokia cares so much about it that they just delete their page on Ovi Store do you think they would really mind :D ? |
| 02:35.08 | kopple | I know though, why should we risk? :) |
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| 02:35.27 | kopple | thanks a lot! I look forward to using this app |
| 02:35.30 | Oksana | Who has the rights to this software: Nokia or Microsoft? Probably, Nokia still... Okay, we could ask them... |
| 02:36.04 | kopple | you're right, hard to realize how closely tangled these two companies have become |
| 02:36.08 | Oksana | kopple: It's great, but I still marvel at how it's 1D panorama. 2D panorama would have much more potential... |
| 02:36.34 | Oksana | is checking version of Panorama at my N900... |
| 02:36.37 | kopple | I still feel Nokia as the good technology, maybe it's time to think again |
| 02:37.12 | kopple | 2D would be nice but 1D is more than fine for me |
| 02:37.26 | Oksana | It's great technology, yes. But a bit of open-sourcing would help... |
| 02:37.32 | kopple | after all I would never align things the right way |
| 02:38.30 | kopple | Maemo was the only possible tradeoff in the market of mobile phones nowadays I think. I just wouldn't buy any other phone other than another n900 |
| 02:38.44 | Oksana | The program should align things by itself, and when it doubt, ask you to identify "same" points at two photographs. Once it knows which points are same, its algorithms can align perfectly. It just has problems figuring out which points are same... |
| 02:39.14 | kopple | great indeed |
| 02:39.18 | robbiethe1st | I still haven't found a replacement for my n900... |
| 02:39.35 | kopple | nor have I, so I hope it will last forever |
| 02:39.48 | robbiethe1st | Heck, I still haven't found a browser as good as the stock one. |
| 02:39.56 | Oksana | Like, a program can perfectly recognise a letter from a blurry picture... But human help is needed to separate letters from each other. |
| 02:39.59 | robbiethe1st | The 'mouse mode' is /extremely/ useful. |
| 02:40.07 | Oksana | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.13 | kopple | all it'd need for me to stay useful and usable is browser updates but I'll do without them for now |
| 02:41.05 | ecc3g | anyone tried the mugen BL5J? Is it worth the $44.50 ? |
| 02:41.49 | robbiethe1st | Is it twice the physical size? |
| 02:41.49 | Oksana | What do you think about Neo900? And, kopple , about browser updates : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94107 |
| 02:41.57 | Oksana | Nay |
| 02:42.03 | robbiethe1st | If it's the stock battery size, no. If it's the larger battery, maby |
| 02:42.05 | ecc3g | no, this is the 1.6Ah one they're offering now... |
| 02:42.11 | Oksana | is looking up... |
| 02:42.19 | kopple | I've heard of Neo900 and it sounds very cool |
| 02:42.59 | Oksana | ecc3g: It looks better than PolarCell. More expensive, too, though... |
| 02:43.05 | kopple | I just live on the other side of the world and shipping my phone wouldn't be very easy |
| 02:43.12 | ecc3g | Wondering if it lives up to the capacity it claims or not...then again, it's still way expensive |
| 02:43.36 | Oksana | kopple: I live in Australia... |
| 02:43.48 | kopple | Oksana, closer to the states than Italy ;) |
| 02:43.53 | ecc3g | been wondering if i should get the 2.4Ah kit because I need a new battery door, the camera shutter is broken. |
| 02:44.04 | robbiethe1st | I would say that physical size is a very good corrilator with performance |
| 02:44.06 | Oksana | ...and I pre-ordered Neo900, nevertheless... /They are in Germany, not USA.../ |
| 02:44.17 | kopple | ohhh really??? GERMANY? |
| 02:44.19 | robbiethe1st | even cheap batterys aren't much below the nominal for a given physical size |
| 02:44.22 | kopple | :O |
| 02:44.35 | kopple | I could have a walk and get physically there |
| 02:44.42 | kopple | you made me a happy man :D |
| 02:44.49 | Oksana | :-) A long walk, though... |
| 02:44.55 | kopple | I don't know why I recalled they were American guys |
| 02:45.07 | ecc3g | the *really* cheap batteries, you don't know what you'll get... |
| 02:45.20 | kopple | well, shipping things within the European Union is way easier than off-shore dispatching |
| 02:45.22 | Oksana | Hildon Foundation used to be in USA... They are now moving to Germany, too: MCeV... |
| 02:45.42 | ecc3g | I guess I just need a new battery door, I still have another nokia bl5j and a japod bl5j... |
| 02:45.53 | robbiethe1st | ecc3g, I've gotten at least one knock-off, it worked OK |
| 02:46.03 | Oksana | kopple: pre-order one, or two? Minimum pre-order is 100 EUR per-device... |
| 02:46.12 | kopple | I would definitely buy a further n900 to send over to them |
| 02:46.20 | ecc3g | I've gotten knockoffs for other phones, they left much to be desired... |
| 02:46.28 | robbiethe1st | I have a japod bl-5j which I paid $13 for, and that was a fair price... it's pretty good |
| 02:46.41 | kopple | what does knock-off mean? |
| 02:47.07 | robbiethe1st | a low quality copy |
| 02:47.10 | Oksana | As in, if device costs 700EUR altogether, you pre-order with 100EUR, and pay 600EUR later, or you pre-order with 300EUR and pay 400EUR later - approximately... |
| 02:47.13 | robbiethe1st | that appears to be the real thing |
| 02:47.18 | kopple | I never changed my battery. Do you think I should? I mean... mine works but maybe that's the cause of the sluggish behavior of my n900 |
| 02:47.36 | robbiethe1st | No... battery has no affect on anything until it runs out of power |
| 02:48.02 | Oksana | kopple: Many programs? Widgets? Photographs? Audio files? Video files? Something?.. |
| 02:48.03 | ecc3g | only need to replace it is if you have to charge it more often than before... |
| 02:48.16 | ecc3g | (and dislike that fact...) |
| 02:48.33 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
| 02:48.46 | robbiethe1st | After a few years, it won't last nearly as long |
| 02:48.53 | robbiethe1st | if you are using it every day |
| 02:48.53 | Oksana | Many photographs-videos-audio make tracker sluggish - the one which generates thumbnails for Gallery, and such... |
| 02:49.17 | kopple | Oksana if that is the kind of prices we're talking about I'm not going to buy one. My n900 is sluggish at browsing things mainly, and it got overall slower with the time. Less responsive in a way that I can sense while random using.. |
| 02:49.30 | MonkeyofDoom | my opinion is that tracker is pretty much worthless |
| 02:49.46 | robbiethe1st | Are you using swappolube? |
| 02:50.04 | kopple | I don't think I have many photos, around 100 I guess. I have about 25GBs of database dumps from wikipedia though |
| 02:50.13 | MonkeyofDoom | no |
| 02:50.23 | kopple | swappolube? No.. just regular swap |
| 02:50.35 | robbiethe1st | that program provides tweaks and such |
| 02:50.39 | robbiethe1st | it helps. |
| 02:50.52 | kopple | Okay, on my download list next time I switch on wi-fi |
| 02:51.05 | robbiethe1st | There is some z-ram-swap thing out there which might help as well, I haven't tried it |
| 02:52.57 | kopple | I was going to buy a super fast SD card to use for swap but then I thought it would have been to hard for me to set up and possibly made no difference so I spared some cash for other necessities |
| 02:53.11 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, it won't help enough to matter |
| 02:53.30 | kopple | I should overclock I think but I love my 4 days lasting battery |
| 02:53.32 | robbiethe1st | a lot of fast sd cards are also slower at random reads/writes, which is what you need for swap |
| 02:53.56 | kopple | robbiethe1st there are some very insightful benchmarks on tomshardware |
| 02:54.04 | robbiethe1st | If your CPU was going full speed all the time, it wouldn't last even 2 hours, let alone 4 days |
| 02:54.36 | kopple | well from 600MHz to, say, 800MHz wouldn't be bad |
| 02:54.43 | robbiethe1st | It's idling 99% of the time |
| 02:55.13 | robbiethe1st | If you can get the voltages set right, so you don't crash, 950mhz is where you can usually go safely. |
| 02:55.23 | kopple | but I prioritize battery over performance |
| 02:55.41 | Oksana | kopple : 700EUR is for whole device. If you already have N900 outside, then NeoN board is 550EUR, approximately... /Neo900 is going to be faster... 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, hopefully, 64GB eMMC... http://neo900.org/specs / |
| 02:55.48 | robbiethe1st | In that it will run at that without overheating, continuously. And remember, unless you are actively using it, it doesn't affect the battery |
| 02:56.07 | kopple | thanks Oksana, it's better to know |
| 02:56.18 | robbiethe1st | The CPU is switched off for a signifigant fraction of each second when idle. Like literally off. |
| 02:56.21 | Oksana | What's the point of over-clocking if you are not actively using it?.. |
| 02:56.33 | kopple | robbiethe1st: sounds alluring, you know :) ? |
| 02:56.45 | robbiethe1st | I've been doing it for 4-5 years now? |
| 02:57.09 | kopple | Oksana when dealing with those huge database dumps it could help |
| 02:57.17 | robbiethe1st | When you browse the web or do something, you want the extra speed. The extra power it takes is tiny compared to, say, the screen. |
| 02:57.25 | kopple | I also have something like 20 to 30 dictionaries that work simultaneously |
| 02:58.00 | kopple | my screen brightness is always set to the mininum level for battery's sake |
| 02:58.15 | robbiethe1st | When you aren't using it, the cpu is idling and not running OC'd anyway |
| 02:58.18 | Oksana | Web-speed: block the ads, and cookies, and JS, and CSS, and all such beautification, except for trusted few... |
| 02:58.30 | robbiethe1st | swappolube. Seriously. |
| 02:58.33 | Oksana | kopple: Screen brightness: same... |
| 02:58.40 | erlehmann | what does it? |
| 02:58.48 | robbiethe1st | Changes swap perameters |
| 02:58.54 | robbiethe1st | to more usable defaults |
| 02:58.55 | kopple | swappolube is hard to use? |
| 02:59.27 | kopple | I'm no tech-genius, just enthusiast that loves his little friend n900 and means no harm to it |
| 02:59.36 | robbiethe1st | Not sure... I think it has some defaults and you just press 'install defaults' |
| 02:59.43 | robbiethe1st | unless you want to change things later |
| 03:00.06 | kopple | Oksana, I have low speed at browsing even when using offline files |
| 03:00.21 | kopple | I would love to use tiddlywiki and just can't afford that :( |
| 03:01.00 | robbiethe1st | Crank the CPU speed up |
| 03:01.06 | kopple | (with no scripts in it, no images either) |
| 03:01.31 | robbiethe1st | What you do is use PK, and crank it up. Then run a video in mplayer and see if it crashes. If it crashes or your computer crashes, up the voltages |
| 03:02.11 | kopple | robbiethe1st: I already have the power kernel installed, I need an actual program from the repositories I guess |
| 03:02.16 | robbiethe1st | You just ajust things until it runs at the speed you want, with the minimum voltage needed to not produce decode errors/crashing, then up it by 2 or 3 values |
| 03:02.28 | Oksana | kopple: Not sure whether it helps or not: http://wiki.maemo.org/MicroB_tweaks http://wiki.maemo.org/Location_bar_tricks http://wiki.maemo.org/Internet_bookmarklets http://wiki.maemo.org/Internet_custom_styles |
| 03:02.37 | robbiethe1st | https://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking |
| 03:04.03 | kopple | thanks for the help |
| 03:04.19 | robbiethe1st | https://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Manual_Undervolting_.28Legacy.29 is what I'm talking about |
| 03:04.33 | robbiethe1st | I'm oldschool I guess... |
| 03:05.32 | kopple | all these things sound so intriguing |
| 03:05.39 | robbiethe1st | And, really... I've had three different N900s since I got my first one, and once I got the voltages dialed in I've never had crashing issues. It'll run for months between reboots |
| 03:05.46 | kopple | I hope I will be up to them when I try |
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| 03:06.00 | robbiethe1st | My N900s have failed due to USB port problems, the rest of the device is fine. |
| 03:06.38 | kopple | mine hasn't failed in two years and I only flashed it once to get rid of the previous owner's possible tweaks |
| 03:07.29 | Oksana | :-) |
| 03:07.52 | kopple | when I get it to work a bit faster maybe I will buy some SD for further storage and have my music library in it |
| 03:08.08 | robbiethe1st | I'm biased, but I have backupmenu installed, so I can just reimage things if it gets corrupted |
| 03:08.15 | robbiethe1st | of to move to a new device etc. |
| 03:08.21 | kopple | speakers are great, and when headphones are plugged in, as with any Nokia, you get a decent sound |
| 03:08.28 | Oksana | robbiethe1st: Do you still have the old devices? Would you like new microUSB ports, to try soldering them? |
| 03:09.04 | robbiethe1st | Yes, and already tried. Several times, infact. |
| 03:09.52 | kopple | robbiethe1st, I don't know backupmenu. I still haven't found a way to backup my entire device emmc |
| 03:09.52 | robbiethe1st | At this point I'm going to have to use extremely thin wire and run leads from the USB port to the fuse chip and other places |
| 03:09.59 | robbiethe1st | backupmenu. |
| 03:10.00 | robbiethe1st | It' |
| 03:10.06 | robbiethe1st | It's in extras-testing at least |
| 03:10.37 | robbiethe1st | Gives you rootfs/optfs backup ability(sd and MyDocs are exposed via usb already) |
| 03:11.04 | robbiethe1st | as well as a 'offline' root console you can backup with, USB mass storage mode for the optfs, etc. |
| 03:11.47 | kopple | oh my god, how can it happen? That's unbelievably nice to hear |
| 03:11.56 | robbiethe1st | Because I wrote it? |
| 03:12.01 | kopple | :D |
| 03:12.12 | kopple | oh god, congrats |
| 03:12.13 | robbiethe1st | I had the same damned problems myself, and figured it out. Back when I had free time |
| 03:13.08 | kopple | I'm writing down things from this IRC session. Tomorrow I will have my n900 change the way it's used to existing. |
| 03:13.37 | kopple | But first I need to backup things |
| 03:13.40 | robbiethe1st | The great thing is you can backup the root/opt(which is the entire OS, aside from the kernel) and backup.restore it later |
| 03:13.52 | robbiethe1st | so you can just 'reset' back to a known point |
| 03:14.39 | kopple | does it restore at reboot? |
| 03:14.59 | robbiethe1st | No |
| 03:15.29 | robbiethe1st | The way it works is if you have the keyboard open when (re)booting your N900, you get the backupmenu gui |
| 03:15.34 | kopple | since you wrote it, do you know of any documentation file somewhere for reference? |
| 03:15.35 | robbiethe1st | if it's closed, you get Maemo |
| 03:16.02 | kopple | very cunning |
| 03:16.24 | robbiethe1st | There's a topic http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 03:17.08 | robbiethe1st | Wow... 4.5 years ago... been a long time |
| 03:17.12 | kopple | reminds me of clonezilla in a way.. |
| 03:18.40 | kopple | may it make flashing your phone harder in the future? |
| 03:18.54 | kopple | I mean, since it deals with the booting process itself |
| 03:19.03 | robbiethe1st | No |
| 03:19.07 | kopple | and you need to press the U key when flashing |
| 03:19.13 | robbiethe1st | No, you don't |
| 03:19.40 | robbiethe1st | You have the flasher started, it says waiting. With the N900 /off/, plug it into usb |
| 03:19.42 | kopple | I recall having to keep pressing a key for the flasher to connect |
| 03:19.43 | robbiethe1st | It starts to flash |
| 03:20.06 | kopple | maybe it wasn't necessary |
| 03:20.13 | kopple | but I did, I'm sure |
| 03:20.16 | robbiethe1st | The n900 is damn near foolproof, it's nigh impossible to break. |
| 03:20.22 | robbiethe1st | it's always reflashable |
| 03:21.33 | kopple | Okay, tomorrow I will backup all MyDocs folder and double check my sms and phonebook are actually there |
| 03:21.47 | kopple | then will install backupmenu to get a whole image of my OS |
| 03:22.02 | kopple | and then will overclock the hell out of my arm |
| 03:22.11 | robbiethe1st | Yup |
| 03:22.44 | robbiethe1st | You should be able to get it up to 1150mhz if you try, but 950 is about where you want to leave it long-term(as a max setting) |
| 03:22.53 | kopple | no, I will just overclock it till it responds faster enough without going past 950MHz and as long as I'm able to set up automatic undervolting |
| 03:23.09 | kopple | indeed |
| 03:23.51 | robbiethe1st | I've always set it up as speed-based undervolting; each speed gets it's own voltage. The governor will automatically lower the speed based on load, so you get undervolting that way |
| 03:24.15 | robbiethe1st | I have no experience with this smartreflex thing, so you're on your own with that. |
| 03:24.35 | kopple | I still have to study the pages you linked to me |
| 03:24.46 | kopple | I'm new to overclocking phones in general |
| 03:25.21 | kopple | unfortunately I didn't take part in maemo's community when it was still thriving because I bought my n900 only in 2012 |
| 03:25.28 | kopple | or 2013.. |
| 03:25.42 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 03:25.52 | kopple | when I was compelled to buy a better phone to get at least some wi-fi connection when I'm about |
| 03:26.25 | kopple | so I missed so many steps of the technical growth of this OS |
| 03:27.30 | kopple | I will always refure prioprietary OSes since the advent of social networks and - Android - so I'm going to stick with maemo or do without mobile phones in the first place |
| 03:27.45 | kopple | I wouldn't be terrified by a life without a mobile |
| 03:27.58 | kopple | actually, it would be pretty good |
| 03:28.26 | kopple | but if the market needs and craves for my money they will have to cater for the open-source minds |
| 03:29.04 | kopple | neo900 is way more likely to have my money than any other brand nowadays |
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| 03:30.18 | kopple | is it obvious to say in an open-source community? Well, these are my feelings |
| 03:32.33 | kopple | ehehe 4:30 am here XD |
| 03:32.59 | Oksana | RzR: Is it for Maemo 5 (Fremantle)?.. https://openrepos.net/content/rzr/flite |
| 03:33.17 | kopple | my tongue is starting twisting too :X |
| 03:33.28 | kopple | will get back to you |
| 03:33.37 | kopple | thanks for your help everyone |
| 03:33.44 | Oksana | If it is, then could you please upload this new version to Extras-Devel?.. http://maemo.org/packages/view/flite/ |
| 03:34.30 | Oksana | hopes that RzR reads this ^ because Oksana will likely forget about it a day later... |
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| 05:54.19 | Oksana | : Busy today, busy tomorrow, hurrying the day after tomorrow, going insane during weekend... |
| 05:54.51 | KotCzarny | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hL6fkJ1_k like that? |
| 06:14.41 | Vajb | Oksana: thx for the hint man. Just placed my mugen orde. 40min still left, if someone is interested. |
| 06:14.51 | KotCzarny | i think oksana is a girls name |
| 06:14.52 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 06:14.56 | Vajb | order that is |
| 06:15.15 | Vajb | ok should have said thx for the hint person :) |
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| 06:43.46 | lobito | sup guys |
| 06:43.51 | KotCzarny | snow |
| 06:44.29 | lobito | i've already asked at #neo900, but does anyone knows where to buy the Nokia Standard Toolkit (aka NMP standard toolkit)? |
| 06:44.35 | lobito | this stuff: http://discussions.nokia.com/discussions/attachments/discussions/apps/55242/1/untitled.JPG |
| 06:44.42 | lobito | *know |
| 06:44.56 | KotCzarny | ebay? |
| 06:45.08 | Vajb | my advice also |
| 06:45.37 | lobito | haven't found it there, but i'll search again and let you know |
| 06:45.40 | lobito | thanks |
| 06:46.04 | lobito | this is the closest i've got http://stellatech.com/nokia-ss-210-camera-removal-tool,a,en,817659.html |
| 06:46.14 | Vajb | or to buy everything separated |
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| 06:46.41 | lobito | (btw, worth checking out the whole category: http://stellatech.com/articles.php?cid=818 ) |
| 06:46.57 | Vajb | screwdrivers are not hard to find, but some special tools might be |
| 06:47.00 | lobito | @Vajb what does it include exactly, do you know? |
| 06:47.09 | KotCzarny | maybe neo900 guys should bundle camera removal tool |
| 06:47.22 | KotCzarny | as rest is freely available |
| 06:47.46 | Vajb | is it possible to make that tool urself? |
| 06:47.56 | lobito | @KotCzarny sure? that's great |
| 06:48.09 | KotCzarny | http://www.ebay.com/itm/OUTIL-NOKIA-LUMIA-800-EXTRACTEUR-OBJECTIF-PHOTO-NOKIA-CAMERA-REMOVAL-TOOL-/111303280563?pt=FR_Pi%C3%A8ces_de_rechange_outils&hash=item19ea3147b3 |
| 06:48.22 | KotCzarny | you should check for compatibility |
| 06:48.35 | KotCzarny | which phone used same camera as n90 |
| 06:48.37 | KotCzarny | n900 |
| 06:51.10 | lobito | this is one of the two camera removal tools mentioned on the service manuals: http://stellatech.com/nokia-ss-210-camera-removal-tool,a,en,817659.html |
| 06:51.27 | lobito | the other one is named: "SS-100 camera removal tool", haven't found it |
| 06:51.38 | lobito | but looks a lot like the one you found on ebay |
| 06:51.56 | lobito | what's the "AV plug"? it's mentioned on the service manuals, too |
| 06:52.02 | lobito | does anyone know? |
| 06:52.20 | Vajb | in some guide it is mentioned that camera is easy to remove with credit card or blunt knife |
| 06:52.23 | KotCzarny | 3.5 minijack with many rings |
| 06:52.46 | KotCzarny | ie headphone jack |
| 06:52.58 | Vajb | just tried google search "nokia n900 camera removal tool" |
| 06:52.59 | lobito | @KotCzarny oh, you mean the one included with n900? |
| 06:53.12 | lobito | the one you use to connect the phone to the tv? |
| 06:53.17 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:53.20 | lobito | great, thanks |
| 06:53.21 | Vajb | yes |
| 06:53.41 | lobito | @Vajb i'd rather get the tool for it, i don't wanna risk breaking it |
| 06:53.49 | Vajb | also stated on that site is that n79 camera fits |
| 06:54.14 | lobito | yup, i know |
| 06:54.18 | lobito | read that on maemo forums |
| 06:54.27 | lobito | cam is available for purchase here, too http://stellatech.com/nokia-x6-camera-module-5mp,a,en,813734.html |
| 06:54.33 | lobito | camera module, i mean |
| 06:55.07 | KotCzarny | most likely you get tool with module |
| 06:55.22 | Vajb | how did u break the module btw? |
| 06:55.27 | KotCzarny | so search for the module, then check descriptions |
| 06:55.28 | lobito | i didn't |
| 06:55.36 | Vajb | oh |
| 06:55.57 | lobito | i bought my n900 second hand |
| 06:56.03 | Vajb | i c |
| 06:56.08 | lobito | camera works sometimes |
| 06:56.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 06:56.17 | lobito | then "operation error" |
| 06:56.24 | KotCzarny | i've read that focus can break |
| 06:56.26 | lobito | may be a software problem |
| 06:56.40 | KotCzarny | physically break |
| 06:56.46 | lobito | i want the tools because i really like the neo900 project |
| 06:57.00 | lobito | i want a kit to gift to my local hackerspace |
| 06:57.05 | KotCzarny | lobito: suggest bundling the tool to them |
| 06:57.09 | lobito | and one for me to sit and learn from the service manuals |
| 06:58.06 | lobito | KotCzarny: to whom, sorry? i didn't understand |
| 06:58.16 | lobito | bundling the module with the tool? |
| 06:58.22 | lobito | to the sellers, you mean? |
| 06:58.28 | lobito | that'd be a good idea |
| 06:58.38 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 06:58.40 | lobito | i just want the tools for the long run, tho |
| 06:58.56 | lobito | for neo900 and to teach/learn at my local hackerspace |
| 06:59.39 | lobito | i just can't find the whole kit |
| 07:00.09 | lobito | i found this guy searching for the same thing http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Phone-Applications/Nokia-Standard-Toolkit/td-p/1145925 |
| 07:00.21 | lobito | the reply he got made me rage so hard |
| 07:00.22 | lobito | lol |
| 07:00.38 | KotCzarny | maybe ask phone service people? |
| 07:01.22 | KotCzarny | well, he asked in 'apps and services' |
| 07:01.23 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 07:02.14 | KotCzarny | still, nokia is no more |
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| 07:02.27 | KotCzarny | i wouldnt ask anything there |
| 07:02.39 | lobito | yeah, now it's microsoft's |
| 07:02.40 | KotCzarny | especially when it requires any knowledge |
| 07:03.08 | KotCzarny | 'we know better, you should pay for repairs' etc |
| 07:04.15 | lobito | i came here hoping to find a current or former nokia employee who has access to the official toolkit case |
| 07:05.08 | lobito | you're right, i'm gonna ask at talk.maemo |
| 07:05.15 | lobito | maybe at buy/sell section |
| 07:06.07 | KotCzarny | http://www.futurtek.com/nokia/nokia-ss-100-camera-removal-tool/ |
| 07:06.08 | KotCzarny | hum |
| 07:06.26 | KotCzarny | wonder if its 'catch all site' or they really sell it |
| 07:06.44 | lobito | nice find! |
| 07:06.48 | lobito | i'm gonna find out |
| 07:07.01 | lobito | thanks :) |
| 07:13.56 | lobito | cheaty fucking site |
| 07:14.44 | lobito | doesn't give you the price even if you register an account |
| 07:15.22 | KotCzarny | yeah, dummy then |
| 07:15.31 | lobito | and if you're a "retail customer" at signup, they redirect you to itstek.com |
| 07:15.36 | lobito | where you can't find ss-100 |
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| 07:17.57 | lobito | do you guys think "Buy & Sell" is the proper section to post about this on talk.maemo.org? |
| 07:18.09 | KotCzarny | i think neo900 would be good |
| 07:18.38 | lobito | okay, will do |
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| 07:23.10 | Vajb | i did also some research, but couldn't find complete kit |
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| 07:33.49 | lobito | thanks @Vajb :) |
| 07:34.01 | lobito | this post is relevant http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1275839&postcount=6 |
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| 07:51.33 | RzR | Oksana, my repo is m6 only |
| 07:54.25 | Vajb | lobito: i still think ur best bet is to buy things separately |
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| 08:17.49 | Vajb | pulseaudio seems to pop up even if i choose alsa in mplayer |
| 08:17.59 | KotCzarny | but it shouldn't use much cpu |
| 08:18.06 | KotCzarny | in such case |
| 08:18.46 | KotCzarny | because filter is off for headphones |
| 08:18.46 | Vajb | also mplayer whines about write error from time to time |
| 08:19.00 | KotCzarny | could be system sound playing ? |
| 08:19.18 | Vajb | [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe9:09.0) 10.1% |
| 08:19.18 | Vajb | [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. |
| 08:19.43 | Vajb | i don't have any sounds in use + device is on silent mode atm |
| 08:20.38 | Vajb | pulseaudio use around 8 percent of cpu |
| 08:20.43 | Vajb | uses |
| 08:21.11 | Vajb | and mplayer around 30 |
| 08:21.31 | Vajb | also xorg pops up sometimes staying around 10 mostly |
| 08:21.48 | KotCzarny | also, top isn't super exact on cpu usage |
| 08:22.13 | KotCzarny | my player often shows 0% cpu usage, but it uses ~10-40% |
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| 08:23.22 | Vajb | and now it hanged |
| 08:23.38 | Vajb | guess i'll be using pulse |
| 08:23.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:25.06 | Vajb | but it's about same eventually |
| 08:25.20 | Vajb | mplayer uses 5 less and pulse 5 more |
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| 10:10.18 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/cnApAdJ.png |
| 10:10.38 | KotCzarny | nice or not? |
| 10:12.37 | bencoh | Vajb: mplayer -quiet/-really-quiet helps, sometimes :) |
| 10:12.51 | bencoh | oh, and mplayer -ac mad as well if you're listening to mp3 and have mad |
| 10:12.54 | bencoh | (libmad) |
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| 10:57.37 | Vajb | hmm i think i tried quiet, but then it didn't show time |
| 10:57.58 | KotCzarny | you can selectively quiet mplayer |
| 10:58.03 | KotCzarny | but line is more complicated |
| 10:59.02 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.05 | KotCzarny | man mplayer |
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| 10:59.53 | Vajb | i don't have libmad. It seems to be using mp3lib by default |
| 11:01.36 | bencoh | oh ... |
| 11:01.45 | bencoh | I guess we should rebuild mplayer with mad support |
| 11:01.59 | KotCzarny | bencoh: why not with gst decoder/ |
| 11:02.01 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:02.25 | KotCzarny | at least for supported formats |
| 11:03.09 | bencoh | KotCzarny: because mplayer has no support for gst and I dont really want to add it :) |
| 11:03.26 | KotCzarny | well, ssvb hacked it to use gst for mp3 on 770 |
| 11:03.34 | KotCzarny | so it IS possible |
| 11:03.37 | bencoh | sure |
| 11:03.45 | bencoh | I didnt say it wasnt |
| 11:03.51 | KotCzarny | as for 'want' does libmad decode on dsp? |
| 11:03.55 | bencoh | I just dont want to write it myself |
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| 11:04.38 | bencoh | no, libmad is a fast soft integer implem |
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| 11:41.24 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 11:42.53 | KotCzarny | hi |
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| 12:36.40 | bencoh | Vajb: I benched mplayer with mad against internal mp3lib and ffmp3 |
| 12:37.43 | bencoh | for a 94sec mp3 file, time says user:13sec for mad, user:28sec for ffmp3, user:32sec for mp3lib |
| 12:38.17 | KotCzarny | shouldn't you use 'real' number? |
| 12:38.29 | bencoh | no, since real will just give me elapsed time :) |
| 12:39.53 | bencoh | anyway, top says the same ... mplayer -ao -null -really-quiet uses 30%cpu with mp3lib and 10~15% with mad :) |
| 12:39.59 | KotCzarny | top sucks |
| 12:40.07 | bencoh | not *that* much |
| 12:40.29 | KotCzarny | seriously? it consistently says 2% esd 1.5% top and 0% oscp |
| 12:40.34 | KotCzarny | even if i play 320kbit file |
| 12:41.05 | KotCzarny | busybox implementation on maemo sucks |
| 12:41.39 | KotCzarny | btw. you should use 'real' number as some decoders could stall cpu |
| 12:41.41 | bencoh | I dont use a busybox top |
| 12:42.20 | KotCzarny | just checked 'normal' top |
| 12:42.23 | KotCzarny | same numbers |
| 12:42.54 | KotCzarny | now tell me, does it really take for my decoder 0% cpu to play mp3? |
| 12:44.04 | bencoh | I highly doubt that |
| 12:44.08 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 12:44.21 | KotCzarny | that's why i don't believe top in anything else than memory stats |
| 12:44.23 | bencoh | but I dont have that kind of results here (havent tried oscp though) |
| 12:44.34 | bencoh | is that on n800 ? |
| 12:44.37 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 12:44.43 | KotCzarny | but i think n900 showed same thing |
| 12:44.49 | KotCzarny | let me check |
| 12:45.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.43 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.55 | KotCzarny | 256kbit mp3 |
| 12:46.15 | KotCzarny | cpu is at 250mhz |
| 12:46.28 | KotCzarny | (at least according to /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 12:47.14 | bencoh | wtf |
| 12:47.22 | KotCzarny | btw. you should disable cpufreq changeing |
| 12:47.27 | KotCzarny | *changes |
| 12:47.33 | KotCzarny | for benchmarks |
| 12:47.39 | bencoh | hm, true |
| 12:49.11 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.44 | bencoh | haha |
| 12:53.02 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/wrDkAHM.png |
| 12:53.09 | KotCzarny | hah, styled on pc too |
| 12:59.56 | Vajb | so im using worst case scenario :) |
| 13:00.18 | Vajb | is libmad in repo's? |
| 13:00.26 | KotCzarny | most likely |
| 13:00.32 | Vajb | or it need to be compiled to mplayer itself? |
| 13:01.09 | KotCzarny | mplayer -ac help | grep libmad |
| 13:01.21 | KotCzarny | if it prints anything then you only need lib |
| 13:01.33 | bencoh | http://muarf.org/~bencoh/maemo/mplayer_1.0svn20091221-4_armel.deb for mplayer, mad, fribidi, and gl1 are in maemo and/or extras |
| 13:02.28 | KotCzarny | though, i think it had to be compiled statically in or ldd mplayer binary should show libmad dependence |
| 13:02.29 | bencoh | (I had fribidi and gl1 installed in scratchbox so mplayer chose to enable it ....) |
| 13:02.46 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it does, indeed |
| 13:03.51 | Vajb | mad libmad working libMAD MPEG layer 1-2-3 [libmad] |
| 13:04.00 | Vajb | says ur command KotCzarny |
| 13:04.09 | KotCzarny | then check -ac mad or -ac libmad |
| 13:04.14 | KotCzarny | and play the mp3 |
| 13:04.31 | bencoh | dunno if http://maemo.org/profile/view/sampp/ is still active (at least he's not here) |
| 13:05.07 | bencoh | (he's maemo mplayer maintainer) |
| 13:05.32 | Vajb | says cannot find codec |
| 13:06.03 | KotCzarny | bencoh: Last Activity: 2011-10-17 17:44 |
| 13:06.06 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=11486 |
| 13:06.08 | Vajb | will get to it later. Now is time to make some food |
| 13:06.09 | bencoh | Vajb: mad is not enabled in maemo mplayer, that's why I gave you a link :) |
| 13:06.12 | KotCzarny | assuming it's the same person |
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| 14:20.09 | Vajb | i don't find madlib from ham nor apt |
| 14:20.46 | MonkeyofDoom | isn't it usually pronounced libmad |
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| 14:23.19 | Vajb | mad libmad madlib |
| 14:23.25 | Vajb | not found |
| 14:24.28 | KotCzarny | apt-cache search mad |
| 14:26.09 | Vajb | meh libmad0 |
| 14:26.10 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/libm/libmad/ |
| 14:26.13 | Vajb | sigh |
| 14:26.14 | KotCzarny | right |
| 14:26.22 | KotCzarny | debianizimz |
| 14:26.35 | Vajb | :p |
| 14:27.07 | Vajb | about debianizm i installed crunchbang to my desktop |
| 14:27.23 | KotCzarny | what's that? |
| 14:27.28 | Vajb | but haven't been able to enable nvidia drivers for it |
| 14:27.39 | Vajb | debian based os |
| 14:27.51 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 14:28.05 | KotCzarny | still looking for your favourite os? |
| 14:29.01 | Vajb | still suffering bad hd i guess |
| 14:29.22 | Vajb | because from time to time my os gets messed to unbootable state |
| 14:29.28 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 14:29.33 | KotCzarny | ssd ? |
| 14:29.44 | Vajb | bah i wish |
| 14:29.54 | KotCzarny | what does the smart say? |
| 14:29.59 | Vajb | try something from ide region :D |
| 14:30.23 | KotCzarny | pastebin.com smartctl -A /dev/sda |
| 14:30.28 | KotCzarny | or whatever your hdd is |
| 14:31.01 | Vajb | last time i checked with ultimate boot cd tools it gave some errors but seemed to work |
| 14:31.14 | Vajb | nvm it's not on right now |
| 14:31.34 | Vajb | since n900 i have less and less of need to have desktop |
| 14:31.40 | KotCzarny | if errors clump in one area make a hole around it via partition table |
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| 14:32.28 | Vajb | thinking of buying some kind of wifi hd or something |
| 14:32.30 | KotCzarny | or if you prefer not reinstalling you can try making bunch of 100MB files then check for errors |
| 14:32.36 | KotCzarny | and deleting good ones |
| 14:33.10 | Vajb | it's from year 2000 :) |
| 14:33.19 | KotCzarny | you can just grab 128gb microsd card and put inside n900 |
| 14:33.20 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:33.25 | Vajb | 1.3ghz thunderbird |
| 14:33.53 | KotCzarny | not so long ago i got me t61 for ~60eur |
| 14:33.55 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:33.56 | Vajb | i would need 250gb sd card to fit all my music in it |
| 14:34.01 | uuhimhere | thunderbord? |
| 14:34.07 | KotCzarny | athlon |
| 14:34.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:34.09 | uuhimhere | isnt that an old AMD |
| 14:34.15 | uuhimhere | yeah |
| 14:34.15 | Vajb | it is |
| 14:34.18 | KotCzarny | yes, and slow a bit nowadays |
| 14:34.24 | uuhimhere | i think i had an athlon XP |
| 14:34.26 | KotCzarny | i have two athlons in my closet |
| 14:34.29 | Vajb | shh u might upset her |
| 14:34.33 | uuhimhere | thoroughbred i think? |
| 14:34.49 | Vajb | can't remember |
| 14:35.04 | KotCzarny | vajb: look for x60/x61/t60/t61 (but watch out for nvidia based ones) |
| 14:35.20 | Vajb | i remember when i bought new 250gb hd |
| 14:35.21 | KotCzarny | they go cheap and are very good machines |
| 14:35.26 | uuhimhere | i ran those overclocked for 4 years non-stop... |
| 14:35.35 | Vajb | i plugged it and everything went dark |
| 14:35.37 | KotCzarny | my first hdd had 6.4gb and cost ~100eur |
| 14:35.38 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 14:35.52 | uuhimhere | my first hdd was a quantum |
| 14:35.58 | uuhimhere | dont think they even exist anymore |
| 14:35.59 | KotCzarny | mine was wd caviar |
| 14:36.01 | Vajb | old reliable 250w powersupply died with glory |
| 14:36.07 | uuhimhere | quantum fireball |
| 14:36.21 | uuhimhere | 13G ftw |
| 14:36.35 | Vajb | it couldn't handle hd's startup current which was said to be 32A in label |
| 14:36.39 | KotCzarny | later i was experimenting with cf2ata adapters |
| 14:36.57 | KotCzarny | iops in the 0-10 per second range on random write ;) |
| 14:37.20 | KotCzarny | 32A is a tad hardcore? |
| 14:37.37 | KotCzarny | even today rarely you see power brick with such amperage |
| 14:38.49 | uuhimhere | thats alot of power ... in some countries thats the borderline for a 3 phase supply |
| 14:39.34 | Vajb | that's what i wondered too |
| 14:39.46 | Vajb | but 350w power was enough |
| 14:40.03 | Vajb | and that was "max peak startup power" |
| 14:40.07 | uuhimhere | what voltage level? 240/110? |
| 14:40.38 | Vajb | 12v for hd, but power is plugged to 230v mains |
| 14:41.03 | uuhimhere | if its sucking 350w from a 230 main |
| 14:41.14 | KotCzarny | yeah, hdd alone.. |
| 14:41.20 | KotCzarny | what about rest of stuff |
| 14:41.32 | KotCzarny | vajb: what was the model? |
| 14:41.54 | Vajb | maybe western digital or seagate |
| 14:41.58 | uuhimhere | thats only about 1.5 amps... are you sure thats right? |
| 14:42.07 | KotCzarny | maybe it was the model |
| 14:42.09 | Vajb | 250gb |
| 14:42.24 | uuhimhere | no that sounds about right yeah 1.5 amps |
| 14:42.26 | uuhimhere | for a hd |
| 14:42.57 | uuhimhere | dunno where you got the 32 A value from |
| 14:43.09 | KotCzarny | like i say, it might be the model, not the amperage |
| 14:43.26 | uuhimhere | yeah i say it is theres no way its a 32 A motor |
| 14:43.45 | KotCzarny | especially it's quite modern being 250gb |
| 14:43.46 | Vajb | from the label attached to hd |
| 14:44.08 | Vajb | but connected to ide not even sata |
| 14:44.08 | KotCzarny | i might say those rll 8"" monsters could draw a bit |
| 14:44.11 | KotCzarny | not not 3.5" |
| 14:44.15 | KotCzarny | even 10krpm |
| 14:44.18 | Vajb | so not that modern |
| 14:44.24 | KotCzarny | vajb: still |
| 14:44.36 | Vajb | well beats me :) |
| 14:44.42 | KotCzarny | do you still own it? |
| 14:44.53 | Vajb | yep |
| 14:45.01 | KotCzarny | if you get a chance write the model |
| 14:45.03 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:45.10 | KotCzarny | you dont have to open the case |
| 14:45.14 | KotCzarny | lsscsi could show it |
| 14:45.19 | uuhimhere | does anybody have an iomega |
| 14:45.20 | KotCzarny | or hdparm -I |
| 14:45.36 | KotCzarny | i had iomega zip drive long time ago |
| 14:45.54 | KotCzarny | 100mb floppies |
| 14:45.55 | KotCzarny | fun |
| 14:45.56 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 14:46.53 | engaging_facade | i wonder if in the future we could have real cloud storage |
| 14:47.00 | KotCzarny | forget about it |
| 14:47.10 | KotCzarny | unless you dont care about security of your data |
| 14:47.17 | engaging_facade | as in charged clouds in the sky hold data |
| 14:47.24 | engaging_facade | real ftw |
| 14:47.36 | KotCzarny | butterfly effect |
| 14:47.40 | KotCzarny | would destroy it |
| 14:47.42 | engaging_facade | and whenever you wanna download something you hold out a lightning rod |
| 14:47.50 | engaging_facade | nah |
| 14:48.02 | engaging_facade | butterfly effect wouldjust transfer it to another location |
| 14:48.07 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 14:48.13 | KotCzarny | it would rearrange the bits |
| 14:48.35 | engaging_facade | so? thats the exciting part |
| 14:48.36 | KotCzarny | btw. origin gives out free syndicate copies |
| 14:51.51 | ecc3g | only disk drive i ever had that ran on AC power was an 8" full height drive where its motor ran on 120V AC... long gone now. |
| 14:52.15 | KotCzarny | vroom |
| 14:52.26 | ecc3g | floppy drive. |
| 14:52.45 | JesperH | Before the invention of the power supply unit |
| 14:52.54 | ecc3g | even half height 8" drives used the molex 5 0 0 12 connector IIRC |
| 14:53.57 | ecc3g | ST412 and TM503, the oldest drives I ever had, used molex 5 0 0 12 |
| 14:54.16 | ecc3g | (these were 5.25" HDDs FH) |
| 14:54.28 | KotCzarny | i had quantum bigfoot |
| 14:54.32 | KotCzarny | vrooom |
| 14:54.55 | ecc3g | held a whopping 10MB and 15MB respectively |
| 14:56.26 | ecc3g | Actually used rust/iron oxide platters. new hard drives use some cobalt high coercitivity coating or something |
| 14:57.32 | KotCzarny | wikipedia says that at the beginning 14" and 8" driver ran on AC |
| 14:57.43 | KotCzarny | no example models tho |
| 14:58.01 | ecc3g | I dont recall what full height 8" floppy drive I had but that was true, it did run on AC |
| 14:58.16 | ecc3g | it was a Shugart brand, IIRC |
| 14:58.28 | ecc3g | which became seagate... |
| 14:58.32 | ecc3g | or something like that |
| 14:59.23 | ecc3g | but the 8" DSDD half height floppy did switch over to DC. |
| 15:00.18 | ecc3g | 8" half height is like the same as 5.25" full height... much like 5.25" half height is the same as 3.5" full height... |
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| 15:16.24 | Vajb | so u guys have been using computers long time |
| 15:16.32 | KotCzarny | kind of |
| 15:16.44 | KotCzarny | i started with atari in 80's |
| 15:16.48 | KotCzarny | atari 800xl |
| 15:16.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:17.07 | Vajb | i think i first used mac cos my preliminary school bought them around -89 |
| 15:17.24 | Vajb | i never had atari |
| 15:17.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:17.37 | Vajb | tho my friend had amiga 500 but we just played |
| 15:17.52 | KotCzarny | yeah, computers boomed as gaming tools |
| 15:17.55 | Vajb | and another friend had commodore 64 |
| 15:18.09 | KotCzarny | i still have 2 amiga 500's |
| 15:18.15 | Vajb | wow |
| 15:18.18 | KotCzarny | working! |
| 15:18.29 | KotCzarny | and one poll mode scsi adapter |
| 15:18.38 | Vajb | also one friend had amiga 1000 with hd! |
| 15:18.44 | Vajb | he was our hero lol |
| 15:18.57 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 15:19.52 | Vajb | and now we are having more power than those compined in our pocket |
| 15:19.59 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 15:20.02 | Vajb | or is it combined... |
| 15:20.09 | KotCzarny | not to mention storage space |
| 15:20.23 | Vajb | yeah that's another story |
| 15:20.38 | Vajb | would be funny to play mp3 from floppy |
| 15:20.46 | KotCzarny | 128gb that's the size of a 1cm^2 |
| 15:20.51 | KotCzarny | i did! |
| 15:20.53 | KotCzarny | on amiga |
| 15:20.54 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:20.59 | Vajb | half way through song and change disk |
| 15:21.28 | KotCzarny | we had ~10kB/s connection in uni |
| 15:21.41 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:21.45 | Vajb | lightning speed |
| 15:21.50 | KotCzarny | good enough |
| 15:21.51 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:22.19 | Vajb | my 56kbps mode sometimes reached speeds near 8kbps |
| 15:22.29 | Vajb | according to some download accelerator program |
| 15:22.39 | KotCzarny | 100cps? |
| 15:22.40 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 15:22.50 | KotCzarny | 1000 |
| 15:22.57 | Vajb | think it was download accelerator + |
| 15:23.12 | KotCzarny | good times, fun times |
| 15:23.25 | Vajb | yeah |
| 15:23.48 | Vajb | is n900 somewhere round ps1? |
| 15:23.57 | KotCzarny | faster i think |
| 15:24.06 | KotCzarny | but ps1 had more optimized software |
| 15:24.15 | KotCzarny | hardware in n900 is hardly used.. |
| 15:24.19 | Vajb | can't remember exact specs for it |
| 15:24.32 | KotCzarny | also, you can't directly compare playstation platform to x86 |
| 15:24.47 | Vajb | true |
| 15:25.06 | KotCzarny | MIPS R3000A-compatible 32-Bit RISC CPU with 5KB L1 cache, running at 33.8688 MHz .[9] |
| 15:25.07 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:25.39 | Vajb | not so much |
| 15:25.53 | KotCzarny | but it has many specialized chips |
| 15:25.53 | Vajb | anyone tried any psemu on n900? |
| 15:26.09 | KotCzarny | vajb: yeah, also uae |
| 15:26.13 | Vajb | it was king back in the 95 |
| 15:26.29 | Vajb | i've used only snes emu |
| 15:26.40 | KotCzarny | http://pupnik.de/software.html |
| 15:26.58 | KotCzarny | Yes it's real. No it's not fast. I get about 0.7-1.3 fps on 770. |
| 15:26.58 | KotCzarny | This is a proof-of-feasability project to show that PS1 emulation is possible and doesn't take up too much RAM. |
| 15:27.00 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 15:27.11 | KotCzarny | ps1 emu on 770 |
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| 15:27.50 | Vajb | not too playable i guess :p |
| 15:27.57 | KotCzarny | you know what 770 is? |
| 15:27.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:28.13 | KotCzarny | granddad of n900 |
| 15:28.23 | Vajb | yeah i guessed |
| 15:28.37 | Vajb | was n800 after that? |
| 15:28.49 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 15:28.52 | KotCzarny | then n810 |
| 15:29.00 | KotCzarny | which was basically n800 with keyboard |
| 15:29.36 | Vajb | hmm after installing bencoh version of mplayer ham claims that there is update |
| 15:29.38 | inz | And GPS |
| 15:29.53 | KotCzarny | inz, and wimax in some versions |
| 15:29.59 | KotCzarny | but cpu/ram was the same |
| 15:30.03 | Vajb | when was n900 first published? |
| 15:30.07 | KotCzarny | 2008 i think |
| 15:30.09 | KotCzarny | or 2009 |
| 15:30.11 | Vajb | 2007? |
| 15:30.49 | KotCzarny | but to be honest n800 has enough specs to make nice media player |
| 15:30.49 | Vajb | i remember my friend having it at 2007 |
| 15:31.02 | Vajb | or is there possibility to mix it with some other device |
| 15:31.08 | KotCzarny | Release date |
| 15:31.11 | KotCzarny | 11 November 2009 |
| 15:31.22 | KotCzarny | he could have got developer version |
| 15:31.24 | KotCzarny | or something |
| 15:31.52 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.57 | Vajb | ok |
| 15:32.02 | KotCzarny | so definitely not earlier than that |
| 15:32.12 | KotCzarny | The release of the pre-alpha Maemo 5 software development kit, in December 2008 |
| 15:32.13 | Vajb | so my memory palace is even more messy than my hobbydesk |
| 15:32.28 | KotCzarny | The first photo and specifications of the N900, codenamed Rover while being developed, came out in May 2009 |
| 15:32.46 | Vajb | no. He got it with sim card and data plan |
| 15:32.57 | Vajb | as a regular user |
| 15:33.11 | KotCzarny | then not earlier than december 2009 |
| 15:35.08 | Vajb | hmm im puzzled |
| 15:35.22 | KotCzarny | n810 was black a bit |
| 15:35.24 | Vajb | it can't have been 810 coz it's not phone |
| 15:35.31 | KotCzarny | n810 had wimax |
| 15:35.34 | KotCzarny | in some versions |
| 15:35.44 | Vajb | normal gsm |
| 15:36.11 | KotCzarny | then your memory is flunky |
| 15:36.12 | Vajb | bbl food is ready |
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| 15:45.08 | bencoh | Vajb: does it work, apart from ham bitching about version ? |
| 15:45.15 | bencoh | (I dont really see why it would complain but ...) |
| 15:47.56 | bencoh | apt-get says it's upgradable as well, but apt-cache policy shows the exact same version number |
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| 16:39.14 | Vajb | i dont know why ham whines about it |
| 16:39.28 | Vajb | it appeared as same version when i installed |
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| 16:39.56 | Vajb | it works. Can't say anything about efficiency unless i test it longer |
| 16:40.15 | Vajb | meaning battery consumption |
| 16:40.40 | Vajb | do u use alsa or pulse with it? |
| 16:41.22 | Vajb | i tested with pulse and it seemed to use more cpu than default codec |
| 16:41.32 | Vajb | tho mplayer used less |
| 16:43.36 | Vajb | dumpstream seems to use only 2 percent |
| 16:43.47 | KotCzarny | because it doesnt use audio system |
| 16:43.51 | Vajb | but i didn't test it earlier |
| 16:43.56 | Vajb | true |
| 16:44.08 | KotCzarny | ie. similar usage as wget |
| 16:45.52 | Vajb | ham shows exactly same version and claims that it is upgradeable |
| 16:46.06 | KotCzarny | you know that version string is long? |
| 16:46.25 | KotCzarny | 0.8-0osso28diablo2 |
| 16:46.27 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 16:46.31 | Vajb | well it does show maybe ten characters |
| 16:50.14 | KotCzarny | for best comparison use apt-get or dpkg to check |
| 16:50.25 | Vajb | 1.0svn20091221-4 |
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| 17:01.19 | bencoh | Vajb: yeah that's amazing how pulse uses more cpu when using -ao pulse, compared to default (alsa) |
| 17:01.33 | KotCzarny | bencoh, 2xfft |
| 17:01.36 | KotCzarny | +magic |
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| 17:59.18 | kerio | -ao pulse? |
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| 19:11.39 | Vajb | kerio: mplayer -ao pulse |
| 19:18.40 | bencoh | KotCzarny: on maemo5/n900 alsa wraps a pulse compat layer, afaik |
| 19:18.54 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:19.02 | bencoh | so ... it's definitely funny :) |
| 19:19.09 | KotCzarny | lightly said |
| 19:19.14 | KotCzarny | i would said it's braindamaged |
| 19:19.18 | KotCzarny | *say |
| 19:19.38 | bencoh | dunno why -ao pulse needs more cpu ... maybe a different samplerate |
| 19:19.45 | bencoh | or float vs integer |
| 19:19.56 | KotCzarny | pulse goes through mixing |
| 19:20.09 | KotCzarny | ie. many to one |
| 19:20.23 | bencoh | mplayer says it's the same output conf, so .... |
| 19:20.31 | bencoh | dunno |
| 19:20.32 | KotCzarny | hm? |
| 19:20.41 | KotCzarny | maybe it ignored you |
| 19:20.52 | bencoh | 44.1khz/2ch/s16le |
| 19:21.02 | KotCzarny | ahm, you mean params |
| 19:21.13 | bencoh | yeah |
| 19:21.27 | KotCzarny | but think about it |
| 19:21.42 | KotCzarny | if pulse opens alsa, it has to resample all input streams |
| 19:21.57 | KotCzarny | it can't just open alsa and request some custom rate |
| 19:22.07 | bencoh | pulse doesnt open alsa |
| 19:22.08 | KotCzarny | so maybe it resamples EVERYTHING to 48khz |
| 19:22.11 | bencoh | alsa opens pulse |
| 19:22.20 | bencoh | oh, hmm ... |
| 19:22.20 | KotCzarny | cant be true |
| 19:22.25 | bencoh | I see what you mean |
| 19:22.34 | KotCzarny | otherwise you wouldnt damage speakers using alsa direclty |
| 19:22.54 | bencoh | but still, userland "alsa" goes through pulse |
| 19:22.56 | KotCzarny | on normal systems alsa does reampling too |
| 19:23.11 | KotCzarny | i shall test it one day |
| 19:23.13 | KotCzarny | maybe tomorrow |
| 19:28.03 | drathir | pulsse is even pc bad idea alsa always... |
| 19:28.23 | KotCzarny | bad speakers much? |
| 19:29.10 | drathir | alsa clean pulse virtual changge them... |
| 19:29.32 | KotCzarny | language much parser fail |
| 19:31.01 | drathir | pulse is some kind of frontend at alsa... |
| 19:31.11 | KotCzarny | it's much more than that |
| 19:32.17 | drathir | it uses alsa and virtually add special efects resample etc... if any problems with sount propably pulse fault... |
| 19:32.42 | drathir | sound* |
| 19:32.56 | KotCzarny | pulse does: 1/ highpass filter (to protect device speakers damage) |
| 19:33.10 | KotCzarny | 2/ manage volumes in input streams |
| 19:33.26 | KotCzarny | (so phone has different volume than media player etc) |
| 19:33.41 | drathir | all what You need made by pulse able to do with clean alsa... |
| 19:33.45 | KotCzarny | and different for different profiles (headphone/speakers) |
| 19:34.53 | drathir | KotCzarny: yea it virtually multiplexing sound per app, but it consume cpu bc its virtually made... |
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| 19:35.23 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 19:35.37 | KotCzarny | fail on nokia's side for not getting decent hw audio |
| 19:36.11 | drathir | for n900 pulse little hard, bc of cpu usage... |
| 19:36.51 | drathir | and also one disadventage if not wrong it dont use dsp acceleration sadly... |
| 19:36.52 | KotCzarny | if you never use device speakers, yes, you can ignore pulse |
| 19:37.26 | drathir | direct alsa too not able use dsp hw acceleration... |
| 19:39.53 | drathir | in theory not able to broke speakers, needed redirect really long time and overvoltage signal, normal speakers able to connect into 220v w/o harming... |
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| 20:07.45 | KotCzarny | htm |
| 20:07.53 | KotCzarny | pygtk doesnt support transparent text |
| 20:07.56 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 20:18.32 | ShadowJK | N900 was considered "fast enough", so mp3 decoding on dsp wasn't included |
| 20:18.45 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 20:18.52 | ShadowJK | on the previous N800 and N810, dsp was used for mp3 |
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| 21:13.03 | KotCzarny | some work in progress: winamp skin loaded by oscp: http://i.imgur.com/GH1h4qo.png |
| 21:13.05 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:15.18 | totalizator | whoa, slow down bud :3 |
| 21:16.25 | KotCzarny | so, good idea/bad idea? |
| 21:17.09 | totalizator | looks great |
| 21:17.24 | totalizator | but this would be only for pc gui? |
| 21:17.29 | totalizator | rite? |
| 21:17.31 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 21:17.34 | KotCzarny | it's pygtk |
| 21:17.38 | KotCzarny | so independent |
| 21:17.54 | totalizator | okok, but how do you manage playlist on n900 then? |
| 21:18.08 | KotCzarny | you click 'open playlist' button, right? |
| 21:18.19 | KotCzarny | then playlist window would pop up |
| 21:18.28 | totalizator | err, ok |
| 21:18.49 | totalizator | lots of work (?) |
| 21:19.01 | KotCzarny | and of course you can always set style_me to different value |
| 21:19.17 | KotCzarny | and get previous behavior |
| 21:19.32 | KotCzarny | a bit, but so far doable |
| 21:19.53 | KotCzarny | i have to investigate where does those single pixel offset come from |
| 21:19.57 | totalizator | so oscp would be 100% old winamp skins compatible? |
| 21:20.00 | bencoh | oh, btw ... something that I think might interest some of the n900 users here : https://www.xpra.org/ |
| 21:20.31 | KotCzarny | not 100% but will get as much stuff from the skin file as it needs |
| 21:20.44 | bencoh | (the "screen" equivalent to ssh -X, as they call it) |
| 21:21.13 | KotCzarny | i think it was called remote computing |
| 21:21.24 | KotCzarny | but nice idea |
| 21:22.25 | KotCzarny | but.. |
| 21:22.31 | KotCzarny | it still runs vfb |
| 21:22.50 | KotCzarny | i thought maybe someone managed to connect/disconnect x server at will |
| 21:22.53 | KotCzarny | oh well |
| 21:23.12 | totalizator | how different it is from nx from nomachine for example? |
| 21:23.15 | KotCzarny | still nice to be able to leave app running there |
| 21:23.28 | KotCzarny | even after disconnecting |
| 21:24.06 | bencoh | totalizator: it works at a different level |
| 21:24.29 | bencoh | Nomachine/NX allows you to open/reattach a session |
| 21:24.54 | bencoh | xpra allows you to run a single X app and dettach/attach |
| 21:25.13 | totalizator | oh, that's nice, I love such stuff |
| 21:25.19 | totalizator | have to try it |
| 21:25.46 | bencoh | KotCzarny: I'm not sure there is a vfb involved here |
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| 21:25.57 | KotCzarny | bencoh: check their faq |
| 21:26.36 | bencoh | oh, right |
| 21:27.01 | bencoh | now that's sad |
| 21:28.47 | totalizator | and why is that? |
| 21:30.42 | bencoh | because it works by sending (and encoding/decoding) a framebuffer to the client |
| 21:31.05 | KotCzarny | ie. another vnc |
| 21:31.12 | bencoh | instead of drawing primitives/calls and fragments |
| 21:31.21 | KotCzarny | and tightvnc already is quite optimized |
| 21:34.42 | KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/scYmrn8.png |
| 21:34.44 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:35.07 | KotCzarny | *teases* |
| 21:35.07 | bencoh | eww :] |
| 21:35.17 | KotCzarny | yeah, colorshocker |
| 21:35.26 | KotCzarny | but wanted to check with random skin |
| 21:35.27 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:37.11 | totalizator | oh, I see |
| 21:37.23 | totalizator | KotCzarny: lel, something less retro maybe? |
| 21:37.52 | KotCzarny | when i finish with it you will be able to select any classic winamp skin you want |
| 21:38.15 | KotCzarny | anyway, enough for today, nite nite |
| 21:40.32 | totalizator | o/ |
| 21:55.16 | Oksana | Okay, what's the topic of March Photograph competition? |
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| 21:56.21 | bencoh | I was wondering as well |
| 21:57.17 | Oksana | pichlo and chenliangchen : Where are you? |
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| 23:24.56 | kopple | hi, is there a dump of maemo.org's wiki in a form compatible with Evopedia? |
| 23:25.58 | kopple | it would be nice to bring it along for offline usage |
| 23:28.01 | kopple | I had researched Evopedia's format myself in the past but couldn't find anything useful around. So probably the only way to know how to build such a dump would be inspecting the program source code, which I'm not able to unfortunately. Maybe somebody already knows here? |
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