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| 07:45.28 | Sicelo | wonders what has changed now in work Wi-Fi network .. seems PSM is borked :( |
| 07:45.44 | KotCzarny | could be some interference |
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| 07:58.14 | Sicelo | i suspect misconfigurtion of the Cisco APs. the problem is consistent, and been this way for at least two weeks now. i am positive it's not my N900 because PSM still works fine when I'm at home. |
| 07:58.29 | KotCzarny | cisco doesnt care about psm |
| 08:00.38 | Sicelo | huh? |
| 08:00.50 | KotCzarny | they make security equipment |
| 08:00.58 | KotCzarny | not best in mobile |
| 08:02.46 | Sicelo | psm has nothing to do with mobile KotCzarny. it's just a wireless feature. and cisco routers have all that's needed to support it just fine. at lest that's what i understand about psm |
| 08:04.45 | KotCzarny | as i understand psm my introduce lags |
| 08:05.02 | KotCzarny | maybe someone was unhappy and turned it off |
| 08:05.08 | KotCzarny | s/my/may/ |
| 08:05.17 | Sicelo | yes, agreed |
| 08:05.34 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: you have (had?) some problems with the autobuilder? |
| 08:05.53 | Sicelo | but that person would have to be hanged, lol. all you need to do is fix the client for that, not the AP |
| 08:06.43 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: mostly user induced, feedback from the possible errors would be very helpful during initial learning the system |
| 08:07.34 | freemangordon | so autobuilder works fine? |
| 08:07.40 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 08:07.42 | freemangordon | ok |
| 08:07.53 | KotCzarny | apart from being unintuitive |
| 08:08.01 | freemangordon | :) |
| 08:08.09 | KotCzarny | and debugging possible failuires requires human help |
| 08:08.25 | KotCzarny | why don't you just email the errors to the maintainer of the package? |
| 08:08.46 | KotCzarny | oh, and btw. when i create a project it doesnt auto assign me as a maintainer |
| 08:08.49 | freemangordon | no idea why nokia decided it that way |
| 08:08.55 | KotCzarny | that could be considered a bug |
| 08:09.03 | freemangordon | create a project? |
| 08:09.06 | freemangordon | where? |
| 08:09.11 | KotCzarny | on garage |
| 08:09.15 | KotCzarny | i mean |
| 08:09.27 | freemangordon | that is unrelated |
| 08:09.28 | KotCzarny | i created oscp project |
| 08:09.38 | KotCzarny | then i want to upp it to ectras-devel |
| 08:09.44 | KotCzarny | *extras |
| 08:09.47 | freemangordon | btw I have no idea who is the garage maintainer |
| 08:09.59 | KotCzarny | it's my project so why isn't it auto assigned to me? |
| 08:10.08 | KotCzarny | no no, in garage it's still fine |
| 08:10.25 | KotCzarny | but when i upload to extras-devel it doesnt autoassigns it to me |
| 08:10.39 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: if you use extras web interface, it will assign you |
| 08:11.05 | KotCzarny | does extras web interface allow non-free packages? |
| 08:11.30 | freemangordon | checks |
| 08:12.31 | freemangordon | hmm, no |
| 08:12.36 | KotCzarny | see? |
| 08:12.45 | freemangordon | wasn't aware |
| 08:12.54 | KotCzarny | anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too |
| 08:13.30 | freemangordon | I guess it uses .dsc or .changes file for that |
| 08:13.49 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 08:14.06 | freemangordon | anyway, I am back to the broken facebook API |
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| 09:46.01 | bencoh | 09:12 < KotCzarny> anyway, it should autoassign the maintainer through scp too |
| 09:46.10 | bencoh | hmm, it doesnt, even for -free packages ? |
| 09:55.54 | KotCzarny | dont know about free ones |
| 09:57.19 | KotCzarny | so, changing topic, my dictionary skill is failing, how do i search for adapter from headphone out to line in? |
| 09:57.28 | KotCzarny | citing kerio: impedance something something |
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| 10:08.08 | Vajb | line in as in amplifiers? |
| 10:08.13 | KotCzarny | yes |
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| 10:08.22 | Vajb | 3.5mm jack to rca |
| 10:08.33 | KotCzarny | no, see the impedance something something part |
| 10:08.45 | Vajb | hmm |
| 10:09.01 | KotCzarny | i definitely get better sound out of pc soundcard than n800's |
| 10:09.29 | Vajb | i never gave any thought to impedance |
| 10:09.56 | Vajb | do u use same line in for n800 and pc soundcard? |
| 10:10.06 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 10:10.16 | KotCzarny | switch them for testing |
| 10:10.32 | Vajb | probably same audio file too |
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| 10:17.10 | Vajb | Sicelo: is there a way to prevent udhcpc to get new ip? Because it seems that it always gets new ip and therefore disconnects my gprs. |
| 10:17.32 | KotCzarny | connect manually |
| 10:17.57 | Vajb | can i tell udhcpc which ip to use? |
| 10:18.12 | KotCzarny | that question is ambigious |
| 10:18.31 | KotCzarny | and not the correct one i think |
| 10:18.35 | Vajb | dunno what ambigious means :) |
| 10:18.45 | KotCzarny | has more than one meaning |
| 10:18.54 | Vajb | k |
| 10:19.22 | KotCzarny | my guess is that when interface connects, new instance of udhcpc is spawn |
| 10:20.25 | KotCzarny | so one would have to connect to gprs manually (without dbus and stuff) |
| 10:21.19 | Vajb | but what if gprs is already connected? |
| 10:21.21 | KotCzarny | that's why i always hated networkmanager |
| 10:21.44 | Vajb | thats's the line from Sicelo's script "udhcpc -i wlan0 -h N900-Linux" |
| 10:21.44 | KotCzarny | that depends on the script that made it connected |
| 10:21.55 | Sicelo | if you don't want udhcpc, don't call it from the script. comment out that section, and then set a static IP for your wlan0 interface. wpa_supplicant will leave ip stuff alone |
| 10:21.55 | KotCzarny | well |
| 10:21.58 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:22.01 | KotCzarny | dont use udhcpc for wlan0 |
| 10:22.06 | KotCzarny | just set static |
| 10:22.15 | KotCzarny | right |
| 10:23.23 | Sicelo | tbh, i still don't quite understand why you're doing this in the first place, but still a nice opportunity to learn some networking |
| 10:24.25 | bencoh | Vajb: getting a (new) ip on wlan0 shouldnt "disconnect" gprs |
| 10:24.35 | KotCzarny | he wants to have cellular internet all the time and be able to use local wifi sometimes |
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| 10:24.47 | bencoh | your real issue here is probably the fact that you get a default route |
| 10:24.52 | Vajb | just occasionally to use scp via wifi without disturbing already open gprs connection :) |
| 10:25.14 | Sicelo | just i noticed that he has internet on the wifi ... that's why this baffles me |
| 10:25.30 | KotCzarny | maybe he gets in and out of wifi coverage |
| 10:25.37 | KotCzarny | or wants power saving |
| 10:26.24 | Vajb | i can't scp to my phone via gprs thats why i need wifi |
| 10:26.50 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:27.31 | Sicelo | Vajb: your wifi already has internet, right? if you're connected to it, you can both browse/whatsapp, as well as scp locally |
| 10:27.35 | Sicelo | but yes, ymmv |
| 10:29.49 | Vajb | yep, but it's just that minor inconvenience of lost connection on irssi when i change from gprs to wlan |
| 10:30.05 | KotCzarny | setup ircbouncer |
| 10:30.13 | Vajb | maybe im just stupid or fussy or whatever :) |
| 10:30.57 | Vajb | sometimes point of doing something isn't the act itself, but the fact one can do it :) |
| 10:31.16 | Sicelo | :) |
| 10:32.14 | Vajb | ok what if i change my resolv.conf to 0.0.0.0? |
| 10:32.36 | KotCzarny | you will fail |
| 10:32.50 | KotCzarny | it's the ip of dns resolver |
| 10:32.52 | Vajb | lol what a suprise |
| 10:33.00 | Sicelo | Vajb: just don't call udhcpc and you'll be fine |
| 10:33.19 | KotCzarny | if you really want to make it static use google's dns resolver (8.8.8.8) |
| 10:33.21 | KotCzarny | or opendns |
| 10:33.36 | KotCzarny | 208.67.222.222 |
| 10:34.05 | Vajb | but there is ip address in resolv.conf and it is different than resolv.conf.gprs |
| 10:34.19 | KotCzarny | system only uses resolv.conf |
| 10:34.20 | Sicelo | that came from udchpc |
| 10:35.10 | Sicelo | maemo's /etc/resolv.conf is generally best left alone, pointing to 127.0.0.1. dnsmasq takes care of the rest |
| 10:35.32 | KotCzarny | i use opendns |
| 10:35.38 | KotCzarny | and pdnsd |
| 10:35.59 | Vajb | oh there is another |
| 10:36.17 | Vajb | i was talking about /var/run/resolv.conf |
| 10:36.26 | KotCzarny | system uses /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:36.45 | Vajb | ok |
| 10:36.55 | Sicelo | yes Vajb, that comes from udhcpc ... when you don't call udhcpc, that resolv file will not be there |
| 10:37.43 | KotCzarny | but dnsmasq can be patched to look for those /var/run/ confs |
| 10:37.51 | KotCzarny | havent checked if it's the case |
| 10:37.53 | Vajb | so should /var/run/resolv.conf be same as /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:38.00 | KotCzarny | depends |
| 10:38.04 | KotCzarny | what do you want ? |
| 10:38.36 | Vajb | ah, but u already know that :D |
| 10:39.19 | KotCzarny | i dont know how 'intelligent' is dnsmasq on n900 |
| 10:39.21 | Sicelo | you don't need the one in /var/run. you also probably don't need to adjust the one in /etc either |
| 10:39.27 | Vajb | has a feeling that all this will end to reflash sooner or later |
| 10:39.47 | KotCzarny | you are doing backups of the files you change? |
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| 10:39.55 | Vajb | sure |
| 10:40.15 | Vajb | actually didn't change anything. Just speculated |
| 10:40.21 | Sicelo | the scp you do ... you use IP addresses, i suppose, or you have a full-blown dns server on your local network? |
| 10:40.37 | Vajb | i use ip |
| 10:40.59 | Sicelo | so you don't need any other resolv.conf files. leave them all alone |
| 10:41.03 | Vajb | and wifi router choose wich ip to give for my device |
| 10:41.49 | Sicelo | oh no, lol.. so you do need udhcpc, or can you tell the router to give your N900 a static IP? usually you need to give it MAC address |
| 10:41.59 | KotCzarny | nah |
| 10:42.07 | KotCzarny | he can setup wifi manually |
| 10:42.13 | KotCzarny | without any udhcpc |
| 10:42.37 | KotCzarny | all he needs is to note what network it's assigning |
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| 10:42.47 | Vajb | there is maybe six devices which use that router |
| 10:42.50 | KotCzarny | (ie. the ip he has on wifi interface) |
| 10:44.24 | Sicelo | wifi is manual already .. via wpa_supplicant. the issue now is ip addressing. but yeah, i guess i don't like too much hacks |
| 10:44.37 | KotCzarny | no, wpa_supplicant doesnt assign ip |
| 10:44.44 | Sicelo | doh |
| 10:44.48 | Sicelo | of course it does'nt |
| 10:44.55 | KotCzarny | he is using ip or ifconfig to set it (or udhcpcd) |
| 10:45.01 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 10:45.01 | Sicelo | i think i've said that lota of times now |
| 10:47.12 | KotCzarny | hi zgrr |
| 10:47.20 | Vajb | once i did that route del and add stuff it worked, but problem is it's needing it always |
| 10:47.44 | Vajb | and also when it needs it it's disconnecting gprs |
| 10:47.46 | KotCzarny | sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment |
| 10:48.04 | KotCzarny | vajb: it's needed because udhcpcd mangles routes |
| 10:49.43 | Sicelo | Vajb: add the route del command in your connect script? |
| 10:50.30 | Vajb | i did it! |
| 10:50.40 | Sicelo | doesn't run? |
| 10:50.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:50.48 | Vajb | i got wlan connected and i didn't disconnect here, right |
| 10:50.56 | Sicelo | ok. |
| 10:51.04 | KotCzarny | just dont run udhcpcd for wifi |
| 10:51.14 | Vajb | no no udhcpc |
| 10:51.28 | Vajb | just ifconfig wlan0 ip i want |
| 10:52.37 | Sicelo | i just hope Vajb hasn't also learned that udchpc has a problem lol. <<10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment10:47 < KotCzarny> sicelo: he is learning basics of networking, so all in all he is gaining from the experiment>> |
| 10:52.50 | Sicelo | that would mean we've taught the wrong lesson |
| 10:53.17 | zGrr | ehlo KotCzarny |
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| 10:53.42 | KotCzarny | udhcpcd doesn't have a problem, it's just the way system is set up |
| 10:53.59 | Vajb | hehe it's not about how much we learn, but how much we remember tomorrow |
| 10:54.18 | KotCzarny | if you write a script and comment it inside, you're good |
| 10:57.26 | Vajb | yes i have scripts modified now |
| 11:04.31 | Vajb | getting things work the way i want (no matter how strange) makes me happy :) |
| 11:09.06 | bencoh | Vajb: what does /etc/network/interfaces say ? |
| 11:10.08 | bencoh | oh and, regarding dnsmasq/resolv.conf and /var/run, see /etc/dnsmasq.conf, you can safely add/remove /var/run/resolv.conf, maemo shouldnt write there, and dnsmasq will use it |
| 11:14.11 | Vajb | bencoh: i suppose it's at stock state. I didn't touch it. |
| 11:16.14 | Vajb | all files in /var/run are listed in /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
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| 13:48.50 | totalizator | there used to be Maemo.org Application Download Statistics but it's not working anymore; is there a way to access the data? |
| 13:58.48 | KotCzarny | i think it's 'not official' |
| 13:59.06 | KotCzarny | and times out when trying to access some resource |
| 14:00.10 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=oscp&os=Maemo5 |
| 14:00.27 | KotCzarny | could be because of some html rewrite |
| 14:02.39 | totalizator | it's just broken, yes |
| 14:07.57 | merlin1991 | statistics are broken, nobody managed to revive them yet |
| 14:11.01 | KotCzarny | i can |
| 14:11.28 | KotCzarny | and also i can add builder/uploader emailer |
| 14:11.36 | KotCzarny | (while i'm at it) |
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| 14:16.56 | totalizator | that would be great |
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| 14:21.15 | KotCzarny | huh, what did i miss? |
| 14:22.18 | merlin1991 | nothing |
| 14:22.41 | KotCzarny | so, any chance of fixing it? |
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| 14:34.29 | KotCzarny | i offer my help with fixing it |
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| 14:56.04 | Vajb | hmm i guess something broke after all. Now email client and opera can't connect to internet. |
| 14:56.23 | KotCzarny | most likely dns resolver |
| 14:56.34 | KotCzarny | try ping google.com from terminal |
| 14:57.49 | Vajb | seems like it's not getting any answer |
| 14:57.53 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 14:57.59 | KotCzarny | want a quickfix or good fix? |
| 14:58.14 | Vajb | "bad adress www.google.com" |
| 14:58.39 | KotCzarny | right, that means your resolver is broken |
| 14:58.43 | KotCzarny | ie. not set |
| 14:58.53 | KotCzarny | what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 14:59.59 | KotCzarny | doh |
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| 15:01.51 | Vajb | upz accidentally closed this window |
| 15:01.56 | KotCzarny | noticed |
| 15:01.57 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 15:02.03 | KotCzarny | what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:02.22 | Vajb | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:02.24 | KotCzarny | ok |
| 15:02.31 | KotCzarny | so it's set for dnsmasq |
| 15:02.32 | KotCzarny | now |
| 15:02.44 | KotCzarny | ls /var/run/resolv.conf* |
| 15:02.48 | Vajb | and it seems that it was my gprs strangely |
| 15:03.11 | Vajb | because when i started irssi again it couldn't connect |
| 15:03.20 | KotCzarny | no, it doesnt matter |
| 15:03.26 | Vajb | and now when i connected gprs again it works |
| 15:03.31 | KotCzarny | to connect you have working dns resolver |
| 15:03.48 | KotCzarny | it reset /var/run/ files |
| 15:03.58 | KotCzarny | if you want a fix follow me |
| 15:04.04 | KotCzarny | if not, say it so |
| 15:04.28 | Vajb | wait i'll run ls var stuff |
| 15:05.18 | Vajb | ls /var/run/resolv.conf* |
| 15:05.19 | Vajb | /var/run/resolv.conf /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs |
| 15:06.15 | KotCzarny | cat /var/run/resolv.conf |
| 15:06.57 | Vajb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.57 | Vajb | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:07.16 | KotCzarny | is that your wifi router? |
| 15:08.16 | Vajb | today i used .2 but otherwise same |
| 15:09.22 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:09.39 | Sicelo | yes, it is. remember his routing table yesterday ;) |
| 15:09.58 | KotCzarny | i'm thinking how to easily setup his dns |
| 15:10.28 | Vajb | let my try to understand my problem first |
| 15:10.28 | KotCzarny | for a quickie: echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf |
| 15:10.44 | KotCzarny | to connect you have 2 things |
| 15:10.48 | KotCzarny | 1/ working internet connection |
| 15:10.55 | KotCzarny | 2/ set up dns resolver server |
| 15:11.02 | KotCzarny | 1 was working |
| 15:11.15 | KotCzarny | 2 is to be able to translate google.com into ip |
| 15:11.19 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 15:11.30 | KotCzarny | thats why irc worked, but didnt reconnect |
| 15:12.10 | KotCzarny | if you do the line i pasted, it will setup dnsmasq to try opendns servers |
| 15:12.33 | Sicelo | don't you want to have him just remove that resolv.conf? resolv.conf.gprs is all he will need. but whatever you prefer |
| 15:12.39 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 15:12.46 | KotCzarny | it will break system |
| 15:12.50 | Vajb | so irssi, yappari and facebook chat stayed connected because they were connected at the first place, but device couldn't make new connection for opera and email because of what i did earlier? |
| 15:13.14 | KotCzarny | vajb: you could have connect to irc if you used /connect 2.3.4.5 etc |
| 15:13.21 | KotCzarny | to /connect irc.some.server |
| 15:13.32 | KotCzarny | you need set up dns resolver |
| 15:13.44 | KotCzarny | that will translate irc.some.server into |
| 15:13.46 | KotCzarny | 2.3.4.5 |
| 15:13.59 | KotCzarny | so, ping 8.8.8.8 would work |
| 15:14.07 | KotCzarny | but ping google.com not |
| 15:14.26 | Sicelo | i think i'm not good at explaining ... system will *not* break with the absence of /var/run/resolv.conf. this file recreates itself on every successful connection (much like maemo's /etc/fstab) |
| 15:14.46 | KotCzarny | sicelo, ahm, i thought you have suggeste3d removing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:14.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:15.28 | Sicelo | for connections established from connection UI, the created file is /var/run/resolv.conf.if_name, e.g. resolv.conf.wlan0 |
| 15:16.22 | Vajb | :D im somewhat confused |
| 15:16.40 | Vajb | let me get this straight |
| 15:16.55 | Sicelo | Vajb: ignore me, haha. i'm drunk |
| 15:18.39 | Vajb | im having everything working now. If i run my scripts to use scp everything which is connected stay connected, but new connections are not possible. And if i remove /var/run/resolv.conf it'll fix it, but file will be recreated at some point. Was it even close? |
| 15:19.27 | Vajb | Sicelo: haha drunken experiments r the best coz u never know if u can remeber to reverse what u did before passing out |
| 15:19.28 | KotCzarny | vajb: nope, it's not the problem |
| 15:19.53 | KotCzarny | dnsmasq reads all resolv.conf* files and contacts those dns servers |
| 15:20.34 | KotCzarny | my guess is that /var/run/resolv.conf is static/generic one |
| 15:20.38 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: i think we must see those scripts, what do you say? (i think there's still a udhcpc in them ..) |
| 15:20.45 | Vajb | then what if i put same stuff in resolv.conf than resolv.conf.gprs? Hmm i think i asked that already |
| 15:20.53 | KotCzarny | and .something are used next depending on the route |
| 15:21.15 | KotCzarny | vajb: no, no need to duplicate |
| 15:21.23 | KotCzarny | put the line i gave you |
| 15:21.39 | KotCzarny | echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /var/run/resolv.conf |
| 15:22.04 | KotCzarny | then for a test do: mv /var/run/resolv.conv.* / |
| 15:22.09 | KotCzarny | then try: ping google.com |
| 15:22.21 | KotCzarny | we will see if that file is working |
| 15:24.59 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 15:25.09 | KotCzarny | dnsmasq could be caching those files |
| 15:25.21 | KotCzarny | just removed all of them for test |
| 15:25.58 | KotCzarny | so something reloads dnsmasq on connect/disconnect |
| 15:26.36 | Vajb | only difference was different ip for ping reply |
| 15:27.02 | KotCzarny | anyway, if you put the line i gave you you will have 'static' dns server along others |
| 15:27.03 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: upstart |
| 15:27.20 | KotCzarny | vajb: you can use 8.8.8.8 instead of 208.67.222.222 |
| 15:27.27 | KotCzarny | 208. one is opendns |
| 15:27.32 | KotCzarny | 8. is google |
| 15:28.07 | KotCzarny | opendns generally works ok, sometimes it returns bogus results for inexistent domains |
| 15:29.45 | Vajb | i c. Does it have any flaws compared to original? |
| 15:29.50 | Sicelo | Vajb: i would like to see your connect script if that's alright with you :) |
| 15:29.58 | Vajb | other than that i mean |
| 15:30.10 | Vajb | ok Sicelo |
| 15:30.24 | KotCzarny | vajb: unless google or opendns go bandit way, no |
| 15:30.53 | Vajb | i'll paste it in parts |
| 15:31.13 | Vajb | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:31.13 | Vajb | modprobe wl12xx |
| 15:31.13 | Vajb | echo "Shutting down Wireless daemon" |
| 15:31.13 | Vajb | stop wlancond |
| 15:31.22 | KotCzarny | vajb: pastebin.com ? |
| 15:31.32 | Vajb | echo "Setting up the WNIC" |
| 15:31.33 | Vajb | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 15:31.33 | Vajb | iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 |
| 15:31.44 | Vajb | hmm neat idea lol |
| 15:35.19 | Vajb | annoying problem |
| 15:35.44 | Vajb | when im on pastebin edit mode it fills my screen and i can't get back from there |
| 15:35.56 | Vajb | in opera on device |
| 15:36.02 | KotCzarny | use microb ? |
| 15:36.20 | KotCzarny | or go back into windowed mode |
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| 15:40.23 | Vajb | http://pastebin.com/4dWJnM8m |
| 15:41.18 | Vajb | disconnect script is |
| 15:41.27 | Vajb | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:41.27 | Vajb | ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 15:41.27 | Vajb | sleep 2 |
| 15:41.27 | Vajb | killall wpa_supplicant |
| 15:41.27 | Vajb | sleep 2 |
| 15:41.34 | Vajb | modprobe -r wl12xx |
| 15:43.14 | Vajb | well now that i think of it i could have deleted those useless lines, but i was lazy and just commented them out |
| 15:43.38 | Sicelo | i think you must delete the /var/run/resolv.conf then .... shouldn't come back again as far as i can tell |
| 15:43.57 | Sicelo | the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4 |
| 15:44.12 | KotCzarny | sicelo, having opendns or google dns there wouldnt break anything |
| 15:44.22 | KotCzarny | and can be helpful for his situation |
| 15:44.54 | Vajb | actually iwconfig line is the line it whines that command is not found |
| 15:45.02 | KotCzarny | will serve as a always available server |
| 15:45.02 | Sicelo | the `iwconfig wlan0 power saving 4` might slow things down ... if so, experiment with lower numbers, or even remove it completely. just that the wifi chip will deplete battery fast without |
| 15:45.11 | Sicelo | oh |
| 15:45.31 | Sicelo | you can install that Vajb (if you feel you need it) |
| 15:46.49 | Vajb | wlan is on only few minutes to one hour so i guess it doesn't matter |
| 15:47.45 | Sicelo | cool. |
| 15:48.16 | Sicelo | connects for 8 hours with wpa_supplicant, so without that line it gets really bad |
| 15:48.28 | Vajb | mostly i need scp when i have added new album or audiobook to laptop and wanna listen on go |
| 15:48.54 | KotCzarny | add nfs to your network |
| 15:49.19 | Vajb | radiostreaming through gprs is another story for battery drainage |
| 15:49.37 | KotCzarny | vajb, might i interest you in my player? (oscp) |
| 15:49.40 | Vajb | nfs=need for speed, but i guess not :p |
| 15:49.48 | KotCzarny | nfs=network file systenm |
| 15:50.15 | Vajb | i have special need on there too |
| 15:50.41 | Vajb | i use mplayer for streaming |
| 15:51.10 | Sicelo | uses mplayer too.. but |
| 15:51.13 | Vajb | and i use 60mb cache to be able to pause broadcast for lunch break etc |
| 15:51.33 | Sicelo | ah, i was about to ask why not the built-in media player |
| 15:52.02 | KotCzarny | vajb: ahm, i might add setting cache in config |
| 15:52.27 | Vajb | yes that's the reason. I was asking of setting cache for open media player |
| 15:52.49 | Vajb | can ur player also dumpstream? |
| 15:53.02 | Vajb | because i need that too |
| 15:53.44 | Vajb | hmm actually possibility to listen growing files would remove my need for big cache |
| 15:54.02 | Vajb | listen and rewind that is |
| 15:54.35 | KotCzarny | vajb, if i add such option, yes |
| 15:54.59 | KotCzarny | never tried what would happen |
| 15:55.30 | Vajb | wanna try? |
| 15:55.52 | KotCzarny | right now i'm preparing packages for n8x0 and n900 (added some other feature) |
| 15:56.00 | KotCzarny | might try after that |
| 15:56.17 | Vajb | try dumping stream via mplayer and listening it to ur player and try to rewind past startup point |
| 15:56.40 | Vajb | mplayer can rewind till that and then it claims it reached end of file |
| 16:01.17 | timeless | anyone here familiar w/ ddwrt? |
| 16:01.26 | timeless | is trying to set it up and is only halfway through the headaches |
| 16:01.35 | KotCzarny | whats the problem? |
| 16:01.41 | Vajb | not me for sure |
| 16:01.42 | KotCzarny | run it, connect wia www interface |
| 16:01.47 | KotCzarny | click click, done |
| 16:02.02 | timeless | i installed mini |
| 16:02.05 | timeless | but i need voip |
| 16:02.15 | KotCzarny | check for wiki recipes |
| 16:02.17 | timeless | and their web site(s) are totally incomprehensible |
| 16:02.25 | KotCzarny | try openwrt's one |
| 16:02.31 | KotCzarny | should be at least similar |
| 16:02.41 | timeless | ddwrt definitely has it in theory |
| 16:02.54 | timeless | I'm running DD-WRT v24-sp2 (05/27/13) mini (SVN revision 21676) |
| 16:03.20 | timeless | http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F#V24_pre_sp2_K26 |
| 16:03.27 | timeless | claims i want k2.6 VOIP |
| 16:03.41 | timeless | but unless i'm missing somehting, i can't figure out where that *is* |
| 16:03.56 | timeless | please say i'm missing something obvious:) |
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| 16:05.13 | timeless | ok |
| 16:05.19 | timeless | maybe i should just try openwrt |
| 16:06.03 | Vajb | Sicelo: just to let u know. Removing /var/run/resolv.conf seems to have worked problem. Just tried wlan on and off and everything seemed to work before and after. |
| 16:06.25 | Vajb | worked=fixed |
| 16:06.51 | timeless | KotCzarny: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start doesn't list e1200 |
| 16:06.55 | timeless | which isn't particularly reassuring |
| 16:07.58 | timeless | https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=41206 isn't reassuring either |
| 16:16.29 | timeless | *sigh*, such a pain... |
| 16:16.36 | timeless | worked around by adding a stun server |
| 16:17.09 | Vajb | KotCzarny: btw about nfs. At one point i tried to share folder in windows vista, but after spending some fruitless hours on it. I decided that scp to device is just so much easier for me :) |
| 16:17.56 | timeless | Vajb: yeah. nfs is never the right answer :) |
| 16:17.56 | bencoh | timeless: I guess you were looking for http://lwn.net/Articles/271597/ ? |
| 16:18.39 | bencoh | (merged in mainline as nf_nat_sip) |
| 16:18.54 | bencoh | (and nf_conntrack_sip) |
| 16:19.02 | timeless | bencoh: i can't understand that entry |
| 16:19.24 | bencoh | timeless: basically what you need on a linux router/nat to make SIP work |
| 16:19.38 | timeless | there's something called |
| 16:20.00 | timeless | Milkfish SIP Router |
| 16:20.06 | bencoh | oww |
| 16:20.10 | timeless | i was expecting to try to get my router to run that |
| 16:20.18 | timeless | because that's the only thing google turned up |
| 16:20.22 | timeless | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Siproxd |
| 16:20.39 | timeless | n.b. i don't want a particular solution, i just want things to work |
| 16:20.47 | bencoh | seriously I'd try netfilter nat/conntrack before proxying/rerouting SIP and RTP |
| 16:21.08 | timeless | bencoh: that article vaguely implies i probably need unencrypted sip |
| 16:21.22 | timeless | ideally (but probably not in reality), my sip should be encrypted :) |
| 16:21.22 | bencoh | timeless: correct |
| 16:21.41 | timeless | anyway, a stun server isn't a big pain |
| 16:21.47 | bencoh | otherwise you wouldnt be able to fetch the RTP addr/port in the INVITE |
| 16:21.48 | timeless | it's just "yet another annoying step" |
| 16:25.13 | KotCzarny | i have no problem using nfs |
| 16:25.16 | KotCzarny | even with windows |
| 16:25.29 | KotCzarny | though its harder, but doable |
| 16:27.47 | timeless | smb/sftp/afs all seem like better choices than nfs |
| 16:27.58 | timeless | wonders if anyone recognizes afs |
| 16:28.56 | bencoh | andrew, or apple ? |
| 16:29.01 | timeless | andrew |
| 16:30.01 | timeless | although there is apparently a fuse client for the latter called afpfs-ng |
| 16:30.24 | bencoh | huhu |
| 16:30.46 | KotCzarny | timeless: not being supported by openwrt could mean it castrated much |
| 16:31.08 | timeless | KotCzarny: that doesn't sound great :) |
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| 18:33.01 | Luke-Jr | I think my external battery thing does not like doing both input and output concurrently :| |
| 18:33.10 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:33.22 | KotCzarny | connect it directly instead of internal battery? |
| 18:36.27 | KotCzarny | ie. all li-ion drivers are compatible (though some battery packs are able to be charged with higher current and some not) |
| 18:39.03 | Luke-Jr | :x |
| 18:39.38 | KotCzarny | i mean, people connect 2 bl-5j |
| 18:39.47 | KotCzarny | so it's not that charging circuit is picky |
| 18:40.29 | KotCzarny | so if you want big pack, be the one and connect it to n900! |
| 18:41.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:42.32 | Luke-Jr | reason I got external was so I can keep using it when I replace N900 |
| 18:43.02 | KotCzarny | but it would be interesting how big battery pack can be driven by n900 |
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| 18:46.10 | Luke-Jr | I *am* considering disassembling it.. |
| 18:46.15 | Luke-Jr | freaking high pitch noise |
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| 19:18.16 | Vajb | Luke-Jr: i was wondering if that noise comes from transformer which is badly lacked. Dunno if it can be redone somehow... |
| 19:19.28 | KotCzarny | vajb: oscp happily plays mp3 that is still downloaded |
| 19:19.46 | KotCzarny | and can rwnd/ffwd it |
| 19:20.16 | Luke-Jr | Vajb: it definitely comes from the external unit in my case |
| 19:21.24 | Vajb | Luke-Jr: i remember hearing something about "rebaking" noisy transformers in the oven, but better google it first than to trust me |
| 19:21.31 | Luke-Jr | XD |
| 19:21.35 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 19:22.16 | Sicelo | haha. sounds like simplest way to make a bomb and kill yourself |
| 19:22.17 | KotCzarny | if you manage to soften glue without softening soldering medium.. |
| 19:22.44 | KotCzarny | but his device most likely is noise because of lack of caps |
| 19:22.49 | KotCzarny | (capacitors) |
| 19:23.45 | KotCzarny | but yes, it can be also loose transformer wire |
| 19:24.11 | Vajb | KotCzarny: let me give u an example. File is downloaded 50mb when i start to play it. I start playing it through mplayer and it shows 50min. I can rewind till i reach 50min and then it says end of file even tho file has grown to lets say 120min while i was listening. |
| 19:24.39 | Sicelo | baking it won't melt the insulation on the strands of wire? i think you would end up with a massive short-circuit |
| 19:24.53 | KotCzarny | vajb: if you try to ffwd more than its downloaded, decoder hits end of file |
| 19:25.00 | KotCzarny | but as long you dont do that, it plays |
| 19:25.07 | Vajb | so ur player knows to rewind past that 50min mark instantly without restarting playback? |
| 19:25.17 | KotCzarny | and you can later ffwd past the earlier end point |
| 19:25.35 | KotCzarny | no, my player doesnt know the filesize |
| 19:25.41 | Vajb | hmm sounds bit like mplayer behaviour then |
| 19:25.53 | KotCzarny | so it can rwnd/ffwd as much as i want |
| 19:26.11 | KotCzarny | but if the time bar is not right, only +/-15s is implemented |
| 19:26.18 | KotCzarny | (but enough to quickly move through file |
| 19:26.23 | Vajb | it's not matter of file at the moment, but file size when i choose to play |
| 19:26.40 | KotCzarny | vajb: my player just plays if there is data to decode |
| 19:26.50 | KotCzarny | doesn't care what decoder says about totaltime/size |
| 19:27.38 | Vajb | ok. In mplayer i can forward 1min interwals by pressing up arrow and 10s interwals by pressing right arrow |
| 19:27.56 | Vajb | hmm then it seems bit smarter than mplayer |
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| 19:29.18 | Vajb | oh yeah one big thing is also that pulseaudiothingy. With mplayer it seems to be quite powerhungry |
| 19:29.30 | KotCzarny | unfortunatelly |
| 19:29.35 | Vajb | i launch mplayer with -ao pulse setting |
| 19:29.37 | KotCzarny | it's n900 'feature' |
| 19:30.02 | KotCzarny | unless you play through headphones/lineout, you SHOULD play through pulseaudio |
| 19:30.23 | KotCzarny | but if you don't use internal speakers you can use alsa as audio output |
| 19:31.10 | Vajb | im using headphones while i work |
| 19:31.10 | KotCzarny | pity they didn't opt for hardware filterfor internal speakers |
| 19:31.30 | KotCzarny | k, i can prepare alsa version just for you, if you want |
| 19:31.58 | KotCzarny | but remember that playing without pulseaudio filter can and will damage internal speakers |
| 19:32.17 | Vajb | oh |
| 19:32.33 | KotCzarny | design fail |
| 19:32.36 | KotCzarny | at nokia |
| 19:32.50 | Vajb | so if i accidentally unplug my headphones it will explode my speakers |
| 19:32.53 | KotCzarny | no |
| 19:32.57 | KotCzarny | not instantly |
| 19:33.10 | KotCzarny | but it's a bit as driving speakers with too powerful amp |
| 19:33.27 | KotCzarny | they will break, sooner or later |
| 19:33.31 | Vajb | that just makes me wonder how come nokia didn't add self destruct button :p |
| 19:33.37 | KotCzarny | they did |
| 19:33.41 | KotCzarny | nokia is no more |
| 19:33.44 | KotCzarny | if you havent noticed |
| 19:33.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:34.26 | Vajb | their phone department was egologic enough. Dissolved itself |
| 19:34.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:34.44 | KotCzarny | nokia is now b0rgassimilated |
| 19:35.10 | Vajb | nokia+microsoft=nosoft |
| 19:35.21 | Vajb | would have been cool productname |
| 19:35.55 | Vajb | but about ur player. What about dumpstream? |
| 19:35.58 | KotCzarny | microsookia |
| 19:36.21 | KotCzarny | vajb: haven't implemented because wasn't on features i needed |
| 19:36.28 | Vajb | ok |
| 19:36.42 | KotCzarny | might add to todo |
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| 19:37.42 | Vajb | actually doesn't matter since i would have to keep two instances open anyway. One for dumping and other for playing the dumb |
| 19:38.51 | Vajb | so i guess it wont make a difference (power consumption in mind) if it's mplayer and urs or two times urs. I guess... |
| 19:39.23 | KotCzarny | well, stream saving doesnt use pulseaudio, right? |
| 19:39.41 | KotCzarny | btw. you can use mplayer with alsa output too |
| 19:39.45 | KotCzarny | -ao alsa |
| 19:39.51 | KotCzarny | but remember my warning |
| 19:40.20 | Vajb | yes i know, but i thought that pulse is only solution with n900 |
| 19:40.41 | Vajb | is also supported by default or i need some extra packages? |
| 19:40.54 | Vajb | alsa* |
| 19:41.04 | Vajb | alsa also |
| 19:41.07 | KotCzarny | by default |
| 19:41.16 | KotCzarny | pulseaudio uses alsa as backend |
| 19:41.29 | Vajb | hmm will try that nextime |
| 19:41.31 | KotCzarny | just adds some system glue and filter |
| 19:41.36 | Vajb | just to see difference |
| 19:42.07 | KotCzarny | but, first try if pulse audio eats cpu when you have headphones connected |
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| 19:42.24 | Vajb | but i guess 4h of dumbing and listening will still need some charging :) |
| 19:42.33 | Vajb | no 5 hours |
| 19:42.45 | KotCzarny | yup, constant wifi activity, even without playing |
| 19:42.57 | Vajb | gprs ;) |
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| 19:44.03 | KotCzarny | still, constant activity |
| 19:44.35 | Sicelo | Vajb: 3G? or 2G? |
| 19:45.09 | Vajb | 3g or 3.5g |
| 19:45.33 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: there's a filter patch for the kernel, but it was removed from power kernel because it affected headphones too :/ |
| 19:45.39 | Sicelo | ok. haha. my next question would have been the bitrate of youur stream |
| 19:45.50 | Vajb | pulse didn't show up with just phones plugged |
| 19:46.03 | Vajb | 128kbps |
| 19:46.37 | Vajb | they don't send better i guess or that's just what mplayer chooses |
| 19:47.12 | KotCzarny | mplayer chooses first stream in a playlist, then next after error etc |
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| 20:07.58 | Sicelo | do we have an epub reader for maemo which can highlight/annotate/comment/etc.? |
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| 20:20.46 | Vajb | i tried several readers, but didn't like any of them |
| 20:21.05 | KotCzarny | vajb: coolreader rocks (at least on android) |
| 20:21.25 | Vajb | nvm i switched to audio books |
| 20:21.40 | Vajb | mobipocket reader was kinda good |
| 20:21.48 | Vajb | back in e90 days |
| 20:22.14 | Vajb | it seems that atm i don't have any reader installed |
| 20:23.07 | Vajb | Sicelo: if u know reader wich can do what u want, but file is wrong format u can also try calibre and convert it to anything u want |
| 20:24.08 | Sicelo | for maemo i use dorian. seems minimal enough for my needs. but i miss highlighting |
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| 20:31.38 | Vajb | what about fbreader? |
| 20:37.32 | Sicelo | found it to be a bit bloated, and slow |
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| 20:38.11 | Sicelo | it's good for pc |
| 20:38.30 | KotCzarny | coolreader3 ftw! |
| 20:39.34 | Sicelo | android specific? or is it available for pc too? |
| 20:40.24 | Sicelo | i see.. QT.. maybe i should try build that in SB |
| 20:42.29 | Sicelo | um, no source? |
| 20:43.38 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 20:46.38 | KotCzarny | pity, maybe we should ask the author to make a maemo package |
| 20:46.49 | KotCzarny | it should be fairly easy for him |
| 20:47.17 | KotCzarny | CoolReader 3.X is free open-source (GPL) multiplatform version under active development. |
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| 20:49.36 | Sicelo | i didn't see anywhere to download source. is there a link? |
| 20:50.25 | KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/crengine/files/CoolReader3/cr3-3.0.56/cr3_3.0.56.orig.tar.gz/download |
| 20:50.28 | KotCzarny | this one maybe? |
| 20:50.35 | Sicelo | ah, sourceforege. just found. thx |
| 20:50.37 | KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/crengine/files/CoolReader3/cr3-3.0.56/cr3_3.0.56-7.debian.tar.gz/download |
| 20:50.39 | KotCzarny | or this one |
| 20:51.32 | KotCzarny | ok, nite nite |
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