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| 06:41.21 | KotCzarny | cc1: out of memory allocating 4294967272 bytes after a total of 786432 bytes |
| 06:41.28 | KotCzarny | fun, isn't it? |
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| 09:32.46 | Vajb | is it possible on n900 to have gprs and wlan connection on same time? |
| 09:33.10 | KotCzarny | is n900's gps any good? |
| 09:33.26 | Vajb | gps or gprs? |
| 09:33.32 | KotCzarny | ahm |
| 09:33.35 | KotCzarny | gps |
| 09:33.56 | KotCzarny | as for connection, just try to enable both |
| 09:34.00 | Vajb | only tested it few times, but seems to be fine |
| 09:34.32 | Vajb | well if i change from one to another it disconnects |
| 09:34.47 | KotCzarny | then i guess you have to use terminal commands |
| 09:34.48 | Vajb | so i was wondering if there is a hack for it :) |
| 09:35.15 | KotCzarny | enable gprs then use cmdline to enable wifi manually |
| 09:35.56 | Vajb | i need wlan only when i need to copy something to phone or vice versa and it's annoying to have everything else disconnected |
| 09:36.20 | Vajb | neat idea will see what happens |
| 09:37.05 | KotCzarny | amazing, i rebuilt oscp and libs with -O3 and binary size went from 4.7M to 4.3 |
| 09:37.06 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 09:37.22 | Vajb | don't say anything important now coz i will disconnect because of connection change :p |
| 09:37.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 09:37.31 | Vajb | and congrats of that |
| 09:37.33 | KotCzarny | use sme irc bouncer |
| 09:37.36 | KotCzarny | *some |
| 09:37.46 | Vajb | i guess it means improved code |
| 09:37.53 | KotCzarny | might be unstable |
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| 09:37.57 | KotCzarny | going to package it for test |
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| 09:52.35 | Vajb | so far it seems that one can only connect to wep wifi from cmd line |
| 09:52.50 | Vajb | not wap which im using |
| 09:53.21 | bencoh | wpa*. but we have some daemon to handle it ... I dont remember its name |
| 09:57.40 | Vajb | ah yes sorry for my spelling |
| 09:58.34 | Vajb | so u say it is possible to connect to wifi and gprs simultaneously? |
| 09:59.22 | bencoh | I didnt say that, I havent tried :) |
| 09:59.48 | Vajb | :p |
| 10:00.29 | bencoh | joiku does it so it's probably doable ;) |
| 10:00.58 | bencoh | you'd just need to see how it configures everything |
| 10:00.59 | KotCzarny | hardware wise it's possible, don't know about system network manager going mad |
| 10:04.28 | Vajb | but isn't joikus point to use gprs connection and share it through wifi? |
| 10:13.34 | Sicelo | yes, it is possible to connect to both simultaneously :) |
| 10:15.37 | Sicelo | use wpa_supplicant for 'fancy' wifi networks |
| 10:15.57 | Vajb | Sicelo: could u possible spoon fed it to me <3 |
| 10:17.25 | Sicelo | why do you want to do this in the first place? |
| 10:19.04 | bencoh | ooh, we do have wpasupplicant in extras |
| 10:19.07 | bencoh | cool |
| 10:19.09 | Sicelo | yes :) |
| 10:19.31 | Vajb | im usually connected to gprs with im, yappari, etc and i only need wifi to move stuff from computer via scp occasionally |
| 10:20.05 | Vajb | so everything disconnects when i change to wifi and vice versa |
| 10:20.35 | Sicelo | basically you want to `stop wlancond`, then use wpa_supplicant to connect the wifi. just check that your default route doesn't get changed |
| 10:20.38 | Vajb | actually not that important. Just minor inconvenience |
| 10:20.56 | Sicelo | Vajb: this is same as any linux machine ... so any tutorial out there will get you going :) |
| 10:21.29 | Vajb | ok looking for wpa suplicant over google now |
| 10:25.12 | Sicelo | https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaw8bjkc32etlkp/wres_con.sh?dl=0 is a little script i use to connect to wifi using wpa_supplicant |
| 10:25.45 | Sicelo | you will not need the dbus lines for your use case |
| 10:27.36 | Sicelo | of course the wpa_supplicant.conf is your job ;) |
| 10:28.57 | Sicelo | only you know how your network is setup. i use this to connect to the wifi at work as the 'normal' way doesn't work on that network |
| 10:30.44 | Vajb | yes i figured that :) thx for sharing. Now i have good starting point |
| 10:31.37 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: N900 is good (if you have a working SIM in your device) .. :) |
| 10:32.12 | Sicelo | s/N900/N900 GPS/ |
| 10:47.31 | Vajb | hmm it seems that i can't find wpa_supplicant from maemo repo's |
| 10:50.53 | Sicelo | wpasupplicant .. no space or dash |
| 10:51.23 | Sicelo | but when you run it, then you have underscore |
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| 10:57.27 | Vajb | still no go |
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| 10:58.20 | Vajb | but found new update for yappari heh |
| 11:03.09 | Sicelo | no go in what way? what is the actuall error you get with wpa_supplicant? or you mean you cannot find it? |
| 11:03.11 | Vajb | going to see what apt has to say |
| 11:03.26 | Vajb | can't find it |
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| 11:03.56 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 11:04.16 | Sicelo | fremantle:~$ apt-cache policy wpasupplicant |
| 11:04.16 | Sicelo | wpasupplicant: |
| 11:04.29 | Vajb | k apt found it |
| 11:04.30 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.30 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.31 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.35 | Sicelo | ok, cool |
| 11:04.36 | Vajb | tried ham first |
| 11:04.38 | Sicelo | :) |
| 11:05.45 | Vajb | do i need wpagui or libengine-pkcs11-openssl |
| 11:05.54 | Vajb | it's suggesting them too |
| 11:18.26 | JesperH | wpagui is only necessary if you want a gui. If you're comfortable configuring by hand (config files), you don't need it. That said, I've never used wpasupplicant on Maemo devices |
| 11:20.56 | Sicelo | doesn't work on maemo anyway |
| 11:23.31 | Vajb | yeah i figured that, but was worth a try :) |
| 11:31.28 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 11:31.47 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.03 | Vajb | hmm it seems that it didn't work as expected |
| 14:03.46 | Vajb | even tho gprs seemed to be connected all the time, it wasn't. |
| 14:04.59 | Sicelo | show us your 'ip route show' after you habe both gprs & wifi up |
| 14:05.35 | Sicelo | if you used my script, i did mention you don't need the dbus line (which i use to disconnect all connections) |
| 14:14.31 | Vajb | i commented all dbus related lines out |
| 14:15.07 | Vajb | im outside wifi for awhile, but will do later |
| 14:17.00 | Sicelo | ok |
| 14:18.55 | KotCzarny | well, on pc linux you start wpa_supplicant, then just set ip and route |
| 14:19.19 | KotCzarny | maybe network manager in maemo interferes somehow |
| 14:24.26 | Sicelo | fremantle:~$ ip r |
| 14:24.26 | Sicelo | 172.17.224.0/20 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 172.17.231.72 |
| 14:24.28 | Sicelo | default dev gprs0 scope link |
| 14:26.52 | Sicelo | Vajb: you'll have to give us more info ... e.g., did the wi-fi connect? what routes exists, is there a valid IP address for gprs0 & wlan0? also, what dns is used ... check /var/run/resolv.conf.* |
| 14:28.06 | zGrr | KotCzarny: there is one functionality that currently no music player has, and i would find useful. |
| 14:28.20 | KotCzarny | zgrr: yes? |
| 14:29.20 | zGrr | KotCzarny: i listen to the music ripped from the online radio stations on the internet. such as polish RadioRAM for example. |
| 14:29.28 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 14:30.07 | zGrr | i use stream ripper which gives me bunch of files with artist names and titles and other properties. |
| 14:30.18 | KotCzarny | and? |
| 14:30.47 | zGrr | while listen it would be useful to be able to delete the file, i don't like with single click. |
| 14:31.03 | KotCzarny | it has such functionality but not exposed to remote |
| 14:31.18 | KotCzarny | if you use ncurses version just press 'delete' then confirm with 'y' |
| 14:31.20 | zGrr | or add extra star to uprate tracks i particularly like. |
| 14:31.44 | zGrr | i have to give your player a try. it looks very promissing. |
| 14:31.59 | KotCzarny | i also have one, if you press 'insert' it will copy file to predefined dir |
| 14:32.11 | KotCzarny | (and also not exposed to remote, yet) |
| 14:34.58 | KotCzarny | i shall make documentation of all those little features.. i hope such day would come |
| 14:43.29 | zGrr | I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. |
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| 14:44.44 | zGrr | unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. |
| 14:46.49 | KotCzarny | zgrr, it's highly customizable |
| 14:47.03 | KotCzarny | core-remote model |
| 14:47.17 | KotCzarny | so you can write your own ui if you like |
| 14:47.32 | zGrr | great |
| 14:47.35 | KotCzarny | you can even use telnet to control it |
| 14:48.07 | KotCzarny | remote.txt has info about used commands |
| 14:48.28 | KotCzarny | https://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ |
| 14:49.31 | KotCzarny | remote is written in pygtk, so if you only need 'i want that button moved there', just hack it |
| 14:50.17 | KotCzarny | if you own n900 you have probably noticed that pygtk is the choice of many apps |
| 14:50.17 | zGrr | great work, you've done |
| 14:50.33 | KotCzarny | thanks, spread the word, find the bugs, review it |
| 14:51.19 | KotCzarny | right now i'm recompiling everything with -O3 for n8x0 |
| 14:51.33 | KotCzarny | 10% gain isn't bad |
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| 15:08.32 | messerting | Hi, I've used my N900 as a media player for a couple of years. I just opened it, and noticed my battery had "swollen". It has been connected to the charger 24/7. |
| 15:08.49 | KotCzarny | ditch the battery |
| 15:08.53 | messerting | Now, I realised the N900 doesn't work without a battery |
| 15:08.56 | KotCzarny | it's dangerous |
| 15:09.06 | messerting | yeah |
| 15:09.14 | KotCzarny | also, check my oscp player |
| 15:10.31 | Sicelo | lol KotCzarny :D |
| 15:10.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:10.39 | messerting | KotCzarny: :) |
| 15:10.48 | KotCzarny | shameless-plug-mode is ON |
| 15:10.54 | messerting | Think I already have it installed, but I use it as a mpd slave mostly |
| 15:11.09 | Sicelo | anyway messerting, no mobile device (that i know of) can work without battery |
| 15:11.12 | KotCzarny | you can use oscp as a slave too |
| 15:11.47 | Sicelo | no offense KotCzarny, but i have yet to know what i 'need' oscp for |
| 15:11.59 | messerting | Sicelo: Sony Ericsson T610 did |
| 15:12.08 | KotCzarny | sicelo: for music play |
| 15:12.28 | Sicelo | i have stock, omp, and mplayer for that already |
| 15:12.59 | KotCzarny | yes, but they are using all too common library interface |
| 15:13.06 | Sicelo | :) |
| 15:13.22 | messerting | So, how do you guys run N900 as a media player? Unplug it every night? |
| 15:13.23 | KotCzarny | i stuck to the oldschool play-by-dir and play-the-list |
| 15:13.41 | KotCzarny | i plan on getting cheapo bl-5j replacement |
| 15:14.17 | messerting | yeah, I guess a new battery will give me a year or two more |
| 15:14.21 | bencoh | messerting: I dont :) |
| 15:14.29 | bencoh | (run it as a mediaplayer) |
| 15:14.29 | messerting | But is it dangerous to have it plugged 24/7? |
| 15:14.39 | KotCzarny | its only bad for battery |
| 15:14.48 | KotCzarny | device doesnt care too much |
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| 15:15.10 | messerting | ok, so I need to check once in a while to see if it is about to explode then... |
| 15:15.17 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:15.19 | bencoh | messerting: iirc there is a manual mode with the bq* battery charger module (used by bme-replacement) |
| 15:15.29 | bencoh | so you could manually force "cycles" |
| 15:15.32 | KotCzarny | or put it behind somehing |
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| 15:15.34 | bencoh | but I'm not sure about that ... at all |
| 15:15.55 | bencoh | Pali might know but he's offline |
| 15:16.02 | messerting | bencoh: thanks, will search for that |
| 15:16.39 | KotCzarny | nice thing would be possibility for setting charge start/stop thresholds |
| 15:16.50 | bencoh | yeah |
| 15:18.32 | KotCzarny | sicelo, does stock player play midi or modules? |
| 15:19.19 | messerting | not sure I will sleep better with bme-replacement, but I might try it (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90139&page=3) |
| 15:19.30 | Sicelo | midi, yes (with midi-support). i doubt modules, but i don't have any. i love midi however :) |
| 15:19.33 | KotCzarny | or flv, aac, mpc, flac, ape, ogg? |
| 15:19.46 | KotCzarny | sicelo, then try oscp, it has updated wildmidi |
| 15:19.51 | KotCzarny | for starters |
| 15:20.03 | bencoh | KotCzarny: it does for most with gst-ffmpeg ;) |
| 15:20.13 | KotCzarny | most |
| 15:20.15 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:20.20 | Sicelo | yes, bencoh is right. |
| 15:20.38 | KotCzarny | still, there is interface issue |
| 15:21.21 | Sicelo | Ui, you mean? |
| 15:21.24 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 15:21.32 | KotCzarny | but also ability to control it remotely |
| 15:21.34 | bencoh | well, mafw can be embedded/controlled from a "remote" process |
| 15:21.51 | KotCzarny | bencoh, multiarch? |
| 15:21.55 | bencoh | ? |
| 15:22.04 | KotCzarny | ie. from a pc? |
| 15:22.22 | Sicelo | i think it's more a matter of use case :) |
| 15:22.23 | KotCzarny | or reverse way, start oscp core on htpc and control it from n900 |
| 15:22.33 | bencoh | oh, no |
| 15:22.42 | bencoh | but to be honest, for that we have MPD ;) |
| 15:22.58 | KotCzarny | someone said that mpd gui sucks on n900 |
| 15:22.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:23.24 | bencoh | 15:43 < zGrr> I think, that it's impossible to make a player that could ergonomically accommodate all possible usage scenarios such as playing ebooks vs. listening to the music. |
| 15:23.27 | bencoh | 15:44 < zGrr> unless it is highly user-customisable and one could switch between predefined UI profiles. |
| 15:23.30 | bencoh | 15:46 < KotCzarny> zgrr, it's highly customizable |
| 15:23.31 | bencoh | ;) |
| 15:23.33 | bencoh | 15:47 < KotCzarny> core-remote model |
| 15:23.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:23.39 | Sicelo | overall, it's great that there's a lot of choice, and oscp is great in that regard :) |
| 15:23.45 | drathir | better throught ssh... |
| 15:23.52 | drathir | at server... |
| 15:23.54 | KotCzarny | drathir: you can do it too |
| 15:23.55 | bencoh | Sicelo: yeah, diversity is good |
| 15:24.00 | KotCzarny | it also has ncurses interface |
| 15:24.06 | drathir | ncmpcc |
| 15:24.11 | KotCzarny | or if you are hardcore you can do telnet |
| 15:24.23 | bencoh | KotCzarny: the only thing that bothers me is still the blob ;) |
| 15:24.32 | drathir | also mocp missing at n900... |
| 15:24.39 | bencoh | (and the fact that I dont understand why you had to patch your deps) |
| 15:24.57 | KotCzarny | again, oscp playlist/ui is different than all the others |
| 15:25.14 | drathir | lynx support https too if not fixed yet... |
| 15:25.31 | KotCzarny | bencoh, told you, to integrate libs/subplayers that don't interface by design |
| 15:25.46 | KotCzarny | ie. uade2, libsid2 |
| 15:26.02 | bencoh | what's wrong with libsid ? |
| 15:26.06 | KotCzarny | it's c++ |
| 15:26.10 | KotCzarny | without c interface |
| 15:26.21 | bencoh | cant the glue go in oscp ? |
| 15:26.23 | bencoh | (or upstream) |
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| 15:27.49 | KotCzarny | yes, if you be able to contact devs, those projects are old |
| 15:29.00 | Vajb | ok Sicelo, what u needed to know? |
| 15:29.31 | KotCzarny | sidplay-libs-2.1.1 was last updated in 2004 |
| 15:30.37 | Sicelo | Vajb: connect to wi-fi from command line first, then connect your gprs from UI |
| 15:31.13 | Sicelo | by the way, does your wi-fi even connect yet from cmd line? you get IP address properly? |
| 15:32.02 | drathir | the most important makfs and fsck updated if good remember thats good... |
| 15:32.09 | drathir | mkfs* |
| 15:32.50 | KotCzarny | most important is outdated glibc and compiler :/ |
| 15:32.51 | Vajb | yes it did |
| 15:33.31 | drathir | KotCzarny: Yea but touch that and You can scream fire in the hol... |
| 15:33.39 | KotCzarny | i know |
| 15:33.53 | KotCzarny | tried whole day to compile newer gcc in scratchbox |
| 15:34.04 | Sicelo | if the gprs is your only connection to here, haha, then: (1) take note of /var/run/resolv.conf.gprs, (2) connect to the wifi with command line, (3) check to see that you have *only one* default route, (4) if you have second one, note it, and delete it |
| 15:34.05 | Vajb | i have gprs on and i connected wifi and it worked, but gprs got disconnected and applet show that it is connected |
| 15:34.08 | KotCzarny | it worked to a point but couldn't compile anything |
| 15:34.42 | Sicelo | Vajb: default gateway may have changed :) |
| 15:35.07 | drathir | KotCzarny: sad that os isnt based at arch... |
| 15:35.14 | Sicelo | restore it manually .. if you have iproute tools, then it's just a matter of `ip r add default dev gprs0` |
| 15:35.27 | Vajb | yes im here through gprs |
| 15:35.45 | Vajb | ah i guess im missing iproute tools then |
| 15:35.47 | drathir | that will be really up2date... |
| 15:35.59 | KotCzarny | drathir: it doesn't matter, thing is they had to patch things, and stock sources can;t compile/run without them |
| 15:36.23 | Sicelo | Vajb: you can do it with route alone as well (but i have even forgotten they syntax for `route` command, haha) |
| 15:37.01 | Sicelo | but iproute is neater .. especially for that gprs .. |
| 15:38.00 | Vajb | i have resolv.conf and resolv.conf.gprs and both have different ip |
| 15:38.27 | Vajb | hmm let me connect to wlan and see what happens now |
| 15:38.32 | Sicelo | that's ok. your problem is route afaict. what is your routing table? |
| 15:38.33 | Sicelo | ok |
| 15:38.59 | drathir | little sad and wonder why nokia not give dev team full access to all closed packages, thats no maatter bc not wanna support anymore mean abaadoned project.. |
| 15:39.01 | KotCzarny | sicelo: route add -net default gw some-ip |
| 15:39.10 | KotCzarny | but he doesn't need route |
| 15:39.19 | Sicelo | it's the IP part we don't want ;) |
| 15:39.25 | KotCzarny | as he uses internet via gprs |
| 15:39.32 | KotCzarny | and needs wifi part only for local stuff |
| 15:39.58 | KotCzarny | drathir: money money money |
| 15:40.08 | drathir | def by gprs, and wifi local work by auto on ip range match... |
| 15:40.15 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: yes. but dhcp will automatically change the routing table when he runs udhcpc .. that's why he needs to delete that default gw |
| 15:40.46 | KotCzarny | then: route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 |
| 15:41.02 | drathir | KotCzarny: even n900 isnt produced anymore, nokia not egsist anymore for now also too... |
| 15:41.14 | KotCzarny | drathir: neo900 etc |
| 15:41.23 | KotCzarny | still, too pricey for my blood |
| 15:41.27 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: yes. that's correct |
| 15:41.34 | KotCzarny | so i'm hacking n900/n800 |
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| 15:42.10 | Sicelo | welcome back Vajb ;) |
| 15:42.12 | Sicelo | how goes? |
| 15:42.14 | drathir | KotCzarny: Yea like always ppl think the doc and other earn milions at project, there no money at all ;/ |
| 15:42.27 | drathir | hi... |
| 15:42.29 | Sicelo | is going afk soon |
| 15:42.46 | Vajb_ | guess im using wifi now |
| 15:42.54 | KotCzarny | do: route -n |
| 15:42.58 | KotCzarny | you will find out |
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| 15:43.31 | Sicelo | elisa-mobile.fi ... is that your wifi? |
| 15:43.43 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:43.52 | Vajb_ | i guess |
| 15:44.15 | Vajb_ | wlan gateway shows ip but gprs field is just 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:44.30 | KotCzarny | gprs ip doesn't matter |
| 15:44.33 | KotCzarny | it's ppp |
| 15:44.37 | Sicelo | can you paste the complete lines perhaps... |
| 15:44.39 | KotCzarny | and isp will nat you anyway |
| 15:44.56 | drathir | And honestly for nokia in past will be much better to support full opensource even one device like n900 line, with all source available... |
| 15:45.07 | Sicelo | is gone :) |
| 15:45.14 | drathir | bb |
| 15:45.18 | KotCzarny | drathir: money |
| 15:45.23 | Vajb_ | kia-N900:/home/user# route -n |
| 15:45.23 | Vajb_ | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:45.23 | Vajb_ | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:45.23 | Vajb_ | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 15:45.23 | Vajb_ | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 15:45.25 | Vajb_ | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 |
| 15:45.28 | Vajb_ | Nokia-N900:/home/user# |
| 15:45.46 | KotCzarny | you have two default routes |
| 15:45.50 | Sicelo | so you have 2 default gateways, delete the last one |
| 15:45.54 | KotCzarny | things can get hairy |
| 15:45.55 | KotCzarny | no |
| 15:45.58 | KotCzarny | delete wlan0 one |
| 15:45.59 | Sicelo | nooo |
| 15:46.00 | Sicelo | :D |
| 15:46.02 | Sicelo | yes, haha |
| 15:46.05 | bencoh | Vajb_: gprs0 is a point-to-point interface, hence the 0.0.0.0 ("default") route |
| 15:46.25 | Vajb_ | so how i delete it? |
| 15:46.32 | drathir | KotCzarny: they heve money from xxx other lines of phones... |
| 15:46.39 | Sicelo | route del -net default; route add -net default dev gprs0 |
| 15:46.40 | KotCzarny | try: route del -net default dev wlan0 |
| 15:46.51 | KotCzarny | sicelo: bad line |
| 15:46.52 | Vajb_ | i guess that other wlan0 is remainder of wlancond? |
| 15:47.12 | Sicelo | no. it came from udhcpc ... |
| 15:47.27 | Sicelo | so it is technically 'correct' to have it Vajb_ |
| 15:48.06 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: iproute has messed my `route` fu. that would have been a simple `ip route del default dev wlan0` |
| 15:48.10 | Sicelo | :( |
| 15:48.29 | KotCzarny | im not using iproute |
| 15:48.36 | KotCzarny | im using ifconfig and route |
| 15:48.52 | Vajb_ | oute: SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 15:48.58 | KotCzarny | told you |
| 15:49.02 | KotCzarny | bad line |
| 15:49.20 | KotCzarny | you would have to delete default route 'twice' |
| 15:49.24 | KotCzarny | then add once |
| 15:49.28 | Sicelo | Vajb_: use the one KotCzarny gave |
| 15:49.47 | Sicelo | 15:46 < KotCzarny> try: route del -net default dev wlan0 |
| 15:50.51 | KotCzarny | i think vajb, you should edit some network scripts that run dhcp on wlan0 up |
| 15:51.56 | Sicelo | i would rather he does that one the wpa_supplicant script .. not the main ones (because udchpc is also used by wlancond) |
| 15:52.11 | KotCzarny | many ways |
| 15:52.36 | KotCzarny | but apparently he can have wlan and gprs at the same time |
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| 15:52.53 | Sicelo | of course. i can |
| 15:53.19 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:53.48 | Sicelo | looks like that route is gone now ... so we should see him come back shortly |
| 15:53.57 | KotCzarny | maybe |
| 15:54.13 | Sicelo | afk .. 2hours |
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| 15:54.33 | Vajb | ok now im here? |
| 15:54.40 | KotCzarny | elisa |
| 15:55.18 | Vajb | hmm |
| 15:55.35 | Vajb | it might show both as elisa as a matter of fact |
| 15:55.59 | Vajb | my wifi is gprs router which is sharing connection around the house |
| 15:56.26 | Vajb | and it is from same company as my gprs in phone |
| 15:57.08 | Vajb | at least i have wifi connected coz i can scp to my phone |
| 15:57.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 15:57.44 | Vajb | but how to know if gprs is also active? |
| 15:57.57 | Vajb | i have gprs icon up there |
| 15:57.58 | KotCzarny | tracert or traceroute ? |
| 15:58.10 | KotCzarny | what does route -n show ? |
| 15:59.00 | Vajb | route -n |
| 15:59.02 | Vajb | Kernel IP routing table |
| 15:59.02 | Vajb | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 15:59.02 | Vajb | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 15:59.02 | Vajb | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs0 |
| 15:59.22 | Vajb | that seems to be fixed now, yes? |
| 15:59.27 | KotCzarny | then your internet packets go through gprs |
| 16:00.02 | Vajb | cool |
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| 16:00.46 | Vajb | btw how do i disconnect wifi now? |
| 16:00.52 | Sicelo | yes |
| 16:01.14 | Vajb | since there is no icon or anything. Just killall wpa_supplicant? |
| 16:01.35 | KotCzarny | yes, but wifi module will still search for open networks |
| 16:01.40 | KotCzarny | maybe ifconfig wlan0 down ? |
| 16:01.56 | KotCzarny | or iwconfig wlan0 mode off ? |
| 16:02.05 | KotCzarny | or equivalent |
| 16:02.14 | Vajb | hmm that might just be where i got two wlan0's |
| 16:02.37 | Vajb | coz last time i did killall wpa_supplicant and wlancond start |
| 16:02.47 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 16:03.05 | KotCzarny | yeah, you shall edit system scripts to ignore wlan status/changes |
| 16:03.16 | KotCzarny | make backups |
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| 16:03.47 | Vajb | ok ifconfig wlan0 down did the trick |
| 16:03.59 | Vajb | only gprs showing up on route -n |
| 16:04.20 | KotCzarny | but power wise wifi could still be enabled |
| 16:04.34 | KotCzarny | normal drivers on pc powerdown wifi when ifconfig down |
| 16:04.44 | Vajb | Sicelo: one last question. Will all of this work after reboot? |
| 16:04.58 | KotCzarny | vajb: did you change any system scripts? |
| 16:04.58 | Vajb | hmm how to check that? |
| 16:05.22 | KotCzarny | you should know if you edited anything |
| 16:05.24 | Vajb | i didn't change anything |
| 16:05.35 | KotCzarny | then after reboot everything will go back to stock |
| 16:05.49 | Vajb | i installed wpa_supplicant and rest is just shell script |
| 16:06.12 | KotCzarny | check the .deb if it messed with anything |
| 16:06.18 | Vajb | ok so i might face two wlan connections again |
| 16:06.19 | KotCzarny | (pre/post-install scripts) |
| 16:06.28 | KotCzarny | not necessarily |
| 16:08.06 | Vajb | gotta love computer stuff. Words r english, but i still have no idea what to do about checking .deb lol |
| 16:08.21 | KotCzarny | unpack it |
| 16:08.41 | KotCzarny | http://www.practicalweb.co.uk/blog/2008/06/08/how-to-manually-unpack-a-deb-file/ |
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| 16:09.42 | Sicelo | wpasupplicant doesnt run anything automatically. setup your own scrips |
| 16:10.50 | Vajb | Sicelo: so was this ifconfig wlan0 down correct way to disconnect? |
| 16:11.42 | Sicelo | yes |
| 16:11.58 | KotCzarny | sicelo: would that powerdown the chip? |
| 16:12.29 | Vajb | i guess i will notice if it didn't :p |
| 16:12.48 | KotCzarny | eventually :P |
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| 16:13.09 | Sicelo | start wlancond and kill udhcpc as well |
| 16:13.24 | bencoh | KotCzarny: afaik disabling wireless (from status-menu applet) unloads modules |
| 16:13.36 | bencoh | I guess there is a reason |
| 16:13.39 | KotCzarny | so he should also unload wifi module |
| 16:13.54 | KotCzarny | and reinsert when he wants to connect |
| 16:14.42 | Sicelo | modules are always loaded afaik |
| 16:15.33 | bencoh | ? |
| 16:15.50 | bencoh | nope |
| 16:15.59 | Sicelo | and i can vouch for the soundness of this... i connect this way daily |
| 16:16.05 | KotCzarny | bencoh, just checked |
| 16:16.12 | bencoh | KotCzarny: me too |
| 16:16.13 | KotCzarny | lsmod |wc -l shows same number |
| 16:16.28 | bencoh | lsmod|grep wl1 doesnt show anything |
| 16:17.02 | bencoh | I guess we're not talking about the same applet |
| 16:17.06 | KotCzarny | wl12xx |
| 16:17.29 | KotCzarny | i'm using stock fremantle |
| 16:17.45 | KotCzarny | and using 'select connection' to connect/disconnect |
| 16:17.46 | Sicelo | stock applet? |
| 16:17.48 | bencoh | I use wifi-switcher to enable/disable wireless |
| 16:17.49 | Vajb | im using cssu-testing |
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| 16:47.39 | Vajb | i did digging about wifi. Would modprobe -r wl12xx solve possible chip on issue? |
| 16:47.59 | KotCzarny | yes, it most likely disables device |
| 16:48.47 | Vajb | well then it definitely wont draw any power :) |
| 16:49.38 | Sicelo | tell me if you don't have the module after a reboot ;p |
| 16:49.52 | KotCzarny | why should he? |
| 16:50.27 | Vajb | u think it might got lost if it's not loaded when rebooting? |
| 16:50.32 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 16:50.54 | Sicelo | i am saying it is always there |
| 16:51.24 | KotCzarny | in stock fremantle, yes |
| 16:51.27 | Vajb | so i made script for connect and disconnect and added modprobe to both ways to be sure :p |
| 16:52.04 | KotCzarny | now add it to desktop, and done! |
| 16:52.13 | Vajb | i guess wlancond is not really needed to be on as i don't use any wlan besides my own? |
| 16:52.14 | KotCzarny | you can even write pygtk gui |
| 16:52.54 | Vajb | nah i can start terminal and run it from there in blink of a second |
| 16:53.53 | bencoh | actually I'm not sure about it powering the device down |
| 16:54.04 | bencoh | but it does disable the wake irq, at least |
| 16:54.39 | Sicelo | i would leave wlancond alone, but that's your call |
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| 16:55.11 | bencoh | yeah I would leave wlancond alone as well |
| 16:55.34 | Vajb | im not going to remove it, but just not running it after using wpa |
| 16:57.54 | Sicelo | just ensure wpasupplicant & udhcpc sre killed |
| 16:58.05 | Sicelo | *are |
| 16:59.41 | Vajb | yup they are |
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| 17:14.22 | Vajb | k i think i found some problem |
| 17:14.25 | Vajb | etc/udhcpc/default.script: exec: line 7: /etc/udhcpc/default.zeroconf.dhcpup: not found |
| 17:14.29 | Vajb | Resetting default routes |
| 17:14.33 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 17:14.59 | Vajb | and that reset gives me double wlan and disconnects my gprs |
| 17:15.01 | KotCzarny | killem'all |
| 17:16.05 | Vajb | exec /etc/udhcpc/default.$1 |
| 17:16.18 | Vajb | that's the line 7 of the file |
| 17:19.47 | Luke-Jr | great, my N900 won't boot |
| 17:20.19 | Luke-Jr | nokia screen comes up then it dies |
| 17:20.41 | KotCzarny | maybe battery died |
| 17:20.47 | Luke-Jr | this is on AC |
| 17:20.56 | Luke-Jr | well, USB |
| 17:21.03 | KotCzarny | even on ac with totally empty battery it will die |
| 17:21.18 | Luke-Jr | so how am I supposed to charge it? |
| 17:21.19 | KotCzarny | let it charge for 10-15 minutes |
| 17:21.25 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 17:21.29 | Luke-Jr | it doesn't charge until it boots |
| 17:21.46 | Luke-Jr | also, it's been on USB power for days |
| 17:21.48 | KotCzarny | it boots to initrd when connected to power |
| 17:21.51 | Luke-Jr | even when it died |
| 17:21.58 | Luke-Jr | it's NOT booting to initrd, that's my point |
| 17:22.04 | Sicelo | Vajb: compensate for that on your script. i would leave system scrips alone as well |
| 17:22.47 | Luke-Jr | oh bah |
| 17:22.51 | Luke-Jr | battery feels slightly bulged |
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| 17:23.26 | KotCzarny | do you have spare for testing? |
| 17:23.32 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 17:23.43 | KotCzarny | buy cheapo chinese |
| 17:23.50 | KotCzarny | for a quickie |
| 17:24.01 | KotCzarny | or go to phone shop and ask for test |
| 17:24.07 | bencoh | mirda: dp upi get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ? |
| 17:24.11 | bencoh | woops. |
| 17:24.14 | Luke-Jr | wouldn't know where to find a battery around here |
| 17:24.19 | bencoh | Luke-Jr: do you get a solid yellow led when plugging it in ? |
| 17:24.19 | KotCzarny | bencoh: right hand fail ;) |
| 17:24.25 | Luke-Jr | bencoh: no |
| 17:24.28 | bencoh | KotCzarny: huhu, exactly |
| 17:24.48 | KotCzarny | luke: take out the battery, wait 5s, insert, connect to power (but dont' turn on) |
| 17:24.57 | KotCzarny | it should boot to initrd and charge |
| 17:25.31 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: NOKIA appears, then fades in a death-style |
| 17:25.41 | KotCzarny | do as above |
| 17:25.50 | KotCzarny | it will take you 5 minutes to check |
| 17:26.06 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: I just did that, that's the outcome |
| 17:26.12 | Luke-Jr | NOKIA keeps appearing over and over, doing the same |
| 17:26.17 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:26.17 | bencoh | hmm |
| 17:26.21 | KotCzarny | reflash |
| 17:26.50 | bencoh | I'd try rescueos first |
| 17:26.51 | Vajb_ | try to keep battery out longer |
| 17:27.05 | mirda | hey, i had similar problem with N810 with deeply discharged battery (long time discharged), after plugging charger in it attepted to boot but then it shut down, it did repeatedly |
| 17:27.07 | Luke-Jr | rescueos requires booting.. |
| 17:27.12 | Vajb_ | i had that once after kernel update |
| 17:27.17 | mirda | i had to charge battery in external charger |
| 17:27.25 | Vajb_ | solved by removing battery for awhile |
| 17:27.36 | mirda | *attempted |
| 17:30.16 | Luke-Jr | I get solid yellow if I remove the battery with USB power :P |
| 17:31.25 | KotCzarny | why the heck bash3 tries to remove bash |
| 17:31.29 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 17:32.30 | mirda | i have this external charger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejW0o80_uyM |
| 17:32.44 | mirda | it is very useful, can be used also as powerbank |
| 17:32.51 | KotCzarny | i grabbed ca-100c (chinese knockoff) |
| 17:32.59 | KotCzarny | no electronics but works on usb |
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| 17:37.49 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 17:38.29 | mirda | bencoh: Lidl supermarket selled it one time |
| 17:38.42 | mirda | *sold |
| 17:39.12 | Luke-Jr | spare N900 has same behaviour |
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| 17:41.01 | mirda | http://www.lidl-info.com/cps/rde/xchg/country_selection //this company if you know it |
| 17:41.45 | Luke-Jr | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA14812U3827 look ok? |
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| 17:42.09 | bencoh | mirda: yeah we have those in france as well |
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| 17:42.24 | bencoh | not sure they sell electronic stuff though |
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| 17:42.42 | infobot | setting onjoin for #maemo is not set. |
| 17:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: chanset #maemo |
| 17:42.51 | infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) |
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| 17:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: chanset #maemo -OnJoin |
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| 17:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 17:43.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixed now |
| 17:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: save |
| 17:43.22 | infobot | saved user and chan files |
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| 17:43.44 | Luke-Jr | or maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6BV25V5028 |
| 17:44.16 | bencoh | buying a refurb battery ? no way |
| 17:44.28 | Luke-Jr | bencoh: even if I don't need it to last? |
| 17:44.42 | Luke-Jr | got 20kWh external |
| 17:45.35 | Luke-Jr | bleh, $30 for overnight |
| 17:45.43 | Luke-Jr | ponders how to get a battery faster |
| 17:45.45 | KotCzarny | lol |
| 17:45.50 | KotCzarny | go to mall? |
| 17:46.06 | KotCzarny | mob someone in the alley till you get compatible? |
| 17:46.20 | bencoh | 3xAAA and a resistance ? :> |
| 17:46.34 | KotCzarny | n900 will accept ? |
| 17:46.53 | bencoh | hmm, I think so, but check the homemade/batteries thread |
| 17:46.59 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 17:47.14 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: what is a mall? :p |
| 17:47.27 | KotCzarny | shopping centre? |
| 17:47.52 | KotCzarny | http://www.alaska.org/photos/gallery3/var/albums/anchorage-photos/Alaska-Native-Crafts/Fifth-Avenue-Mall/Fifth-Avenue-Mall-02.jpg?m=1385425014 |
| 17:48.08 | mirda | bencoh: they sells mostly food, drugstore, they sometime sell some electronics like various chargers, electric tools, clothes and so on |
| 17:48.27 | Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: yes, I mean none around here |
| 17:48.37 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 17:48.48 | KotCzarny | ask friends? |
| 17:48.51 | KotCzarny | family? |
| 17:49.15 | KotCzarny | or have a nice detox |
| 17:49.20 | KotCzarny | and wait 1-2 days |
| 17:49.25 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:50.16 | Luke-Jr | found a place for new ones at $30 |
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| 17:51.41 | bencoh | Luke-Jr: I bought a new polarcell for 13euros a month ago |
| 17:51.52 | bencoh | $30 seems expensive |
| 17:52.03 | KotCzarny | for chinese knockoff, yes |
| 17:52.07 | KotCzarny | for original no |
| 17:53.22 | bencoh | sure, if you insist on having a nokia bl5J |
| 17:53.32 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 17:53.40 | KotCzarny | got a cheap place for dual size ones? |
| 17:53.46 | KotCzarny | (cheap and good) |
| 17:53.50 | bencoh | nope |
| 17:54.05 | KotCzarny | i got mugen cover for 5$ few years ago |
| 17:54.14 | KotCzarny | but never got around to get a battery |
| 17:54.18 | Luke-Jr | same here |
| 17:54.27 | bencoh | I wouldnt use it anyway |
| 17:54.29 | Luke-Jr | although I thought it was more than $5 |
| 17:54.32 | KotCzarny | i would |
| 17:54.35 | bencoh | n900 is bulky enough :) |
| 17:54.48 | KotCzarny | yes, that's why it doesnt matter much ;) |
| 17:54.50 | bencoh | it's almost thicker than my laptop ... |
| 17:54.55 | Luke-Jr | bencoh: meh, I'm happy carrying around N900 + external battery the same sizer |
| 17:55.10 | Luke-Jr | both fit in my pocket fine |
| 17:55.22 | Luke-Jr | along with my other pocket contents |
| 17:56.33 | KotCzarny | wth |
| 17:56.43 | KotCzarny | (null)$ ls -l oscp |
| 17:56.43 | KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 4320100 Mar 2 10:36 oscp |
| 17:56.49 | KotCzarny | (null)$ rm oscp |
| 17:56.49 | KotCzarny | rm: cannot remove `oscp': Permission denied |
| 17:57.03 | KotCzarny | am i stupid or it's too late for me to think? |
| 17:57.09 | Luke-Jr | be the root |
| 17:57.17 | KotCzarny | see the owner? |
| 17:57.19 | bencoh | KotCzarny: ls -lhd |
| 17:57.32 | KotCzarny | (null)$ ls -lhd oscp |
| 17:57.32 | KotCzarny | -rwxrwxr-x 1 sbox sbox 4.2M Mar 2 10:36 oscp |
| 17:57.38 | bencoh | no, ls -lhd :p |
| 17:57.44 | KotCzarny | hmm? |
| 17:57.48 | bencoh | on the folder ;) |
| 17:57.52 | KotCzarny | right |
| 17:57.57 | KotCzarny | +1 for bencoh |
| 17:58.02 | Luke-Jr | ls: cannot access :p: No such file or directory |
| 18:02.50 | kerio | LOL |
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| 18:31.22 | KotCzarny | merlin1991: ping |
| 18:36.06 | merlin1991 | Pong |
| 18:36.32 | KotCzarny | uploading to extras-devel diablo is the same as fremantle? |
| 18:36.42 | KotCzarny | ie. i only change fremantle part to diablo? |
| 18:36.55 | merlin1991 | Should be |
| 18:38.47 | KotCzarny | k, upped, i hope it gets through |
| 18:39.30 | KotCzarny | btw. it doesnt matter that deb name is the same as in fremantle? |
| 18:40.06 | merlin1991 | No |
| 18:40.29 | merlin1991 | The 2 repositories are independend |
| 18:41.41 | KotCzarny | so, can you check if it's ok? |
| 18:42.20 | KotCzarny | otoh i should try to install on device first |
| 18:45.16 | KotCzarny | good. it runs ok |
| 18:45.17 | KotCzarny | phew |
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| 18:48.34 | KotCzarny | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/o/oscp/ |
| 18:48.42 | KotCzarny | and apparently it did |
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| 20:37.45 | KotCzarny | umm, kay, oscp 0.9.7-6 is in diablo repo |
| 20:38.01 | KotCzarny | why does http://maemo.org/packages/view/oscp/ shows only -5 ? |
| 20:49.36 | Pali | non-free? |
| 20:49.50 | KotCzarny | yes |
| 20:50.28 | Pali | updating packages webpage too long |
| 20:50.40 | Pali | sometimes more hours... |
| 20:51.12 | KotCzarny | i dont believe that, builder is sleeping |
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| 21:08.22 | Luke-Jr | turned out it was a Duracel 1050 :/ |
| 21:08.34 | KotCzarny | was what? |
| 21:08.40 | Luke-Jr | the local store's battery |
| 21:08.42 | Luke-Jr | for $30 |
| 21:08.48 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 21:09.23 | KotCzarny | fast/cheap/good |
| 21:09.25 | KotCzarny | choose 2 |
| 21:09.41 | Luke-Jr | I hope Duracel was fast/good |
| 21:09.43 | KotCzarny | but at least it booted? |
| 21:09.45 | Luke-Jr | yes |
| 21:09.54 | KotCzarny | hah, i guessed right |
| 21:10.04 | Luke-Jr | he also confirmed the old batt was NG |
| 21:10.09 | KotCzarny | ng? |
| 21:10.28 | KotCzarny | near goddamnbomb? |
| 21:10.28 | Luke-Jr | no good |
| 21:10.35 | Luke-Jr | he spun it on the counter |
| 21:10.38 | Luke-Jr | and said it shouldn't spin |
| 21:11.02 | KotCzarny | hehe |
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| 21:16.19 | KotCzarny | bencoh, you know what could be nice point of oscp? it doesn't rely on anything that system media player does |
| 21:17.02 | KotCzarny | so if one ever wants to disable trackerd, got tired of mafw/gst, oscp is independent |
| 21:17.04 | KotCzarny | :) |
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