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| 06:22.28 | KotCzarny | sicelo: thx a lot, just wanted to make sure it's not dumb cable |
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| 07:21.49 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 08:00.19 | KotCzarny | zgrr: hello |
| 08:05.51 | zGrr | hi KotCzarny :) |
| 08:06.12 | KotCzarny | have you tried oscp yet? |
| 08:06.25 | zGrr | nope |
| 08:06.37 | zGrr | I have very little time to spare to my toys. |
| 08:06.44 | KotCzarny | do you use any audio player usually? |
| 08:07.00 | zGrr | Panucci. |
| 08:07.29 | KotCzarny | and you play music only on n900? |
| 08:07.34 | zGrr | it's very well suited to audiobooks and the podcasts. Not very good for the music. |
| 08:07.47 | zGrr | At the moment, yes. |
| 08:07.53 | zGrr | It's my primary phone. |
| 08:08.38 | zGrr | I gave up on N9. Never liked it. I think it was badly designed. |
| 08:08.45 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 08:09.32 | zGrr | I still have some hope for the Neo900 |
| 08:09.56 | KotCzarny | neo900 is gonna be too pricy too me |
| 08:10.11 | zGrr | yes it will. |
| 08:10.17 | KotCzarny | and they aren't big corpo to promote developers :/ |
| 08:11.25 | zGrr | do not expect MBA morons, who rule corpo world to be capable of understanding these things at all. |
| 08:12.09 | KotCzarny | still, nokia gave out a bunch of devices to devs |
| 08:12.51 | zGrr | nokia ceased to exist long ago. |
| 08:12.56 | KotCzarny | that's true |
| 08:13.04 | KotCzarny | i'm talking about pre 2010 nokia |
| 08:13.18 | zGrr | do you mean n950? |
| 08:13.23 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 08:13.34 | KotCzarny | they were sending earlier models to devs too |
| 08:14.51 | zGrr | I have read, that the N950 was supposed to be mass produced cheap smartphone designed for users in developing countries. |
| 08:15.04 | KotCzarny | ['] |
| 08:15.10 | KotCzarny | rip n950 |
| 08:15.16 | zGrr | It was great concept in my opinion. it's a shame that it failed. |
| 08:15.31 | zGrr | actually it didn't fail |
| 08:15.36 | zGrr | it was assasinated. |
| 08:17.38 | Sicelo | zGrr: no, N950 was never to be a cheap smartphone. you're likely mixing it up with Meltemi OS, which fits your description |
| 08:18.24 | zGrr | cheaper than N9? |
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| 08:19.27 | KotCzarny | nokia asha is the successor of meltemi os |
| 08:19.56 | KotCzarny | and to think whole line could have had linux :/ |
| 08:20.20 | Sicelo | Meltemi? yes zGrr. seems that was the plan |
| 08:20.25 | Sicelo | N950 is just an early N9 :) |
| 08:20.58 | Sicelo | which of course is a great device because of the HW-kbd |
| 08:21.10 | KotCzarny | english wikipedia doesnt even had an entry on meltemi |
| 08:21.16 | KotCzarny | http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltemi_%28system_operacyjny%29 |
| 08:21.16 | zGrr | and the resistive touchscreen |
| 08:21.18 | KotCzarny | polish one has |
| 08:23.29 | Sicelo | tmo has a thread on it |
| 08:23.36 | zGrr | ... and the "simplified" Chinese one. |
| 08:25.09 | KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_X_platform |
| 08:25.23 | KotCzarny | nice, nokia flavour of android |
| 08:25.30 | KotCzarny | shrugs |
| 08:25.35 | KotCzarny | at least this one died |
| 08:26.09 | zGrr | i wouldn't call _any_ flavour of nice. |
| 08:26.25 | KotCzarny | yeah, should've wrote 'nice' |
| 08:34.27 | Sicelo | i wonder if anyone has hacked the N1 tablet yet.. |
| 08:34.49 | Sicelo | or even the Nokia X's |
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| 10:22.03 | KotCzarny | so, i would like my package promoted to extras |
| 10:22.06 | KotCzarny | what i do? |
| 10:22.23 | bencoh | ask people to vote for it to be promoted :) |
| 10:22.35 | KotCzarny | bencoh, would you vote? |
| 10:22.37 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:23.00 | bencoh | https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Promoting_packages_to_extras-testing |
| 10:23.11 | bencoh | I haven't tested it, since it's non-free/binary-only ;) |
| 10:23.46 | bencoh | you need to promote to extra-testing first, and for that you should check a few things first |
| 10:24.43 | KotCzarny | looking at the list at '[edit] Promotion checks' it checks out |
| 10:25.08 | bencoh | that's automatic, see the next section |
| 10:26.56 | KotCzarny | i think that also checks out |
| 10:30.39 | Sicelo | Pali kknows a way to 'self-promote? ... not sure if that is time-based |
| 10:32.02 | KotCzarny | hmm, it complains that i have no bugtracker link, but it is in control file |
| 10:32.20 | KotCzarny | Bugtracker: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?group_id=2392 |
| 10:32.28 | KotCzarny | unless name is different for maemo? |
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| 10:43.06 | bencoh | Sicelo: self-promote to extras ? |
| 10:50.52 | Sicelo | something like that, yes |
| 10:53.53 | Sicelo | or is it to extras-testing ... not too sure |
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| 11:02.31 | KotCzarny | merlin1991: ping |
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| 12:32.13 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 12:32.39 | KotCzarny | according to some other page there should be a 'promote' button: |
| 12:32.40 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/oscp/0.9.7-2/ |
| 12:32.47 | KotCzarny | but there isn't any |
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| 13:20.54 | totalizator | you are not the maintainer of your own package :3 |
| 13:21.00 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 13:21.03 | KotCzarny | lol? |
| 13:21.31 | totalizator | Promotion checks: Promoting person is maintainer for the package |
| 13:21.41 | KotCzarny | o.O |
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| 18:04.29 | stryngs | /var/lib |
| 18:04.38 | stryngs | cant i bind this to another directory? |
| 18:04.43 | KotCzarny | ln -sf |
| 18:07.08 | KotCzarny | but it's not recommended |
| 18:07.14 | stryngs | why not |
| 18:07.23 | KotCzarny | as some mounts aren't available early in boot |
| 18:07.28 | stryngs | specifically /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:07.35 | stryngs | and thats my question |
| 18:07.40 | stryngs | the boot thing |
| 18:08.15 | stryngs | i want to move var/lib/dpkg to /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:08.26 | stryngs | its hoggin 34mb on / |
| 18:08.28 | stryngs | not cool |
| 18:08.31 | KotCzarny | isn't that already optified? |
| 18:08.39 | KotCzarny | at least on n800 |
| 18:08.44 | KotCzarny | haven't checked n900 |
| 18:09.07 | KotCzarny | but dpkg/apt stuff is safe to move and symlink |
| 18:10.22 | stryngs | right but /var/lib |
| 18:10.27 | stryngs | would like to move it as a whole =) |
| 18:10.39 | KotCzarny | i wouldn't move it without checking /etc first |
| 18:10.56 | KotCzarny | or doing mmc boot |
| 18:11.21 | stryngs | cant do mmc boot |
| 18:11.23 | stryngs | sd card dead |
| 18:11.29 | stryngs | i/o jacked up |
| 18:11.33 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 18:11.42 | KotCzarny | internal? |
| 18:11.52 | stryngs | yea |
| 18:11.56 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 18:12.14 | Sicelo | why don't you just empty that directory |
| 18:12.17 | KotCzarny | what did you do to the poor thing |
| 18:12.27 | KotCzarny | sicelo: bad idea |
| 18:12.29 | stryngs | Sicelo: it's essential to apt-get is it not? |
| 18:12.46 | stryngs | Nokia-N900:/var/lib# du -h | tail -n 1 |
| 18:12.46 | stryngs | 34.5M . |
| 18:12.52 | stryngs | thats a lot of space |
| 18:12.57 | KotCzarny | it's not the pkg cache |
| 18:13.01 | Sicelo | don't you have debs in there? |
| 18:13.08 | KotCzarny | its info about what's installed etc |
| 18:13.08 | Sicelo | ah |
| 18:13.09 | KotCzarny | sicelo: apt has cache on mmc |
| 18:13.26 | stryngs | its how u would do |
| 18:13.31 | stryngs | dpkg -S <filename> |
| 18:13.34 | stryngs | etc... |
| 18:13.47 | stryngs | i'm just wondering if i can rbind it at boot to mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:13.51 | stryngs | and save space |
| 18:14.31 | stryngs | specifically i'd like to move /var/lib to mmcblk0p2 |
| 18:14.38 | stryngs | considering it holds gems and crap |
| 18:15.03 | stryngs | i guess one way to find out... |
| 18:15.05 | stryngs | =/ |
| 18:16.15 | Sicelo | :) |
| 18:16.25 | KotCzarny | leonard nimoy (spock) is dead |
| 18:16.27 | KotCzarny | :/ |
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| 18:16.33 | stryngs | Hes dead jim! |
| 18:16.34 | stryngs | DEAD |
| 18:16.48 | KotCzarny | \\// |
| 18:17.05 | stryngs | hmm |
| 18:17.08 | stryngs | var and lib |
| 18:17.12 | stryngs | i'd like to move em both |
| 18:17.21 | KotCzarny | prepare to reflash and go |
| 18:17.27 | stryngs | meh |
| 18:17.33 | stryngs | gunna wait till my friend answers me |
| 18:17.35 | stryngs | hes smart =) |
| 18:17.37 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:17.40 | KotCzarny | i tell you |
| 18:17.45 | stryngs | ? |
| 18:17.46 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.53 | KotCzarny | don't touch it |
| 18:18.13 | stryngs | right |
| 18:18.13 | stryngs | but /var/lib |
| 18:18.19 | stryngs | or at least /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:18.31 | KotCzarny | i told you, you can move /var/lib/dpkg and symlink it |
| 18:18.41 | KotCzarny | it's safe |
| 18:18.41 | stryngs | Ah |
| 18:18.42 | stryngs | k |
| 18:18.44 | stryngs | great |
| 18:18.45 | stryngs | ! |
| 18:18.48 | stryngs | and /lbi? |
| 18:18.52 | KotCzarny | don't |
| 18:18.53 | stryngs | prolly not? |
| 18:18.57 | stryngs | =( |
| 18:18.58 | stryngs | ok |
| 18:19.00 | stryngs | hey thats 34mb! |
| 18:19.04 | stryngs | big boost |
| 18:19.36 | KotCzarny | you can also move /usr/local |
| 18:19.44 | KotCzarny | unless it's already optified |
| 18:19.59 | KotCzarny | some packages badly put stuff there |
| 18:20.20 | KotCzarny | and if you have installed gcc on the device you can move /usr/lib/gcc |
| 18:21.07 | stryngs | i've moved all of /usr =) |
| 18:21.16 | KotCzarny | no, you didnt |
| 18:21.17 | KotCzarny | :P |
| 18:21.35 | stryngs | I did |
| 18:21.36 | stryngs | http://termbin.com/3uzq |
| 18:21.41 | stryngs | And i also dont optify |
| 18:21.48 | stryngs | pymaemo-optify is an empty deb for me |
| 18:21.50 | KotCzarny | did it boot after that? |
| 18:21.55 | stryngs | just fine |
| 18:21.58 | stryngs | snappy too |
| 18:22.00 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:22.17 | Sicelo | you sure not placebo effect? |
| 18:22.28 | stryngs | no |
| 18:22.29 | KotCzarny | sicelo: it's possible that it's faster |
| 18:22.32 | stryngs | My n900 is very snappy |
| 18:22.34 | KotCzarny | 2 different devices |
| 18:22.41 | KotCzarny | instead of one internal flash |
| 18:22.43 | stryngs | Thats true too |
| 18:22.47 | stryngs | ^ |
| 18:23.00 | stryngs | I recommend my way over any cssu way any day of the week |
| 18:23.05 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 18:23.07 | stryngs | minus the tweaks for cssu |
| 18:23.17 | KotCzarny | as long some smartass don't break your system |
| 18:23.30 | KotCzarny | *doesn't |
| 18:23.31 | stryngs | http://ethicalreporting.org/pwn |
| 18:23.39 | stryngs | pwnphone v3 =) |
| 18:23.41 | stryngs | Enjoy |
| 18:23.45 | stryngs | You'll thank me for it |
| 18:23.57 | KotCzarny | nah, i'm good |
| 18:24.09 | stryngs | Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg# bash --version |
| 18:24.09 | stryngs | GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) |
| 18:24.11 | stryngs | flexes |
| 18:25.36 | stryngs | heh |
| 18:25.39 | stryngs | I have /lib done too |
| 18:25.41 | stryngs | didnt know that |
| 18:26.40 | stryngs | alright KotCzarny, attempting var/lib/dpkg freedom |
| 18:27.06 | KotCzarny | i think i have moved dpkg/apt dirs long time ago |
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| 18:50.15 | ecc3g | did bash finally get updated in the repo for shellshock? |
| 18:50.24 | KotCzarny | does it matter? |
| 18:50.36 | KotCzarny | maemo most likely has more holes than shellshock |
| 18:51.21 | ecc3g | it shows a sign of the liveliness of maemo community and willingness to fix bugs regardless of perceived importance. |
| 18:51.42 | ecc3g | not fixed for a month, fine. Not fixed ever... this is sad. |
| 18:52.07 | KotCzarny | i treat n900 as a personal media player with phone feature |
| 18:52.32 | KotCzarny | even 1024x768 is too small to browse web nowadays |
| 18:57.16 | stryngs | i updated bash ecc3g |
| 18:57.26 | stryngs | if u want the deb u can grab it from my repo |
| 18:57.35 | KotCzarny | or build yourself |
| 18:57.43 | KotCzarny | that's the beauty of n8x0/n900 |
| 18:57.44 | stryngs | i treat the n900 as a shell in my pocket |
| 18:57.52 | stryngs | i want to fix ghost |
| 18:57.56 | stryngs | just havent gotten around to it |
| 18:58.10 | stryngs | and yeah the screen size sucks |
| 18:58.12 | stryngs | hence, ssh |
| 18:58.18 | stryngs | its shell in jy pocket=) |
| 18:59.02 | ecc3g | well as the reasons already said, it doesn't really matter, heck I don't even use bash... but having the repo modified means a lot... |
| 18:59.21 | stryngs | yep |
| 18:59.27 | stryngs | I will always have an n900 |
| 18:59.30 | stryngs | and im always tinkering |
| 18:59.35 | ecc3g | or even better, remove it from the repo... |
| 18:59.39 | ecc3g | that's what Gentoo does... hah. |
| 19:00.01 | stryngs | TO date, i've built 77 .debs for it =) |
| 19:00.02 | ecc3g | but leaving known buggy software there... that's just not right. |
| 19:00.46 | stryngs | i agree |
| 19:00.47 | KotCzarny | stryngs: as i said, that's the beauty of this device |
| 19:00.52 | KotCzarny | you can fix it yourself |
| 19:01.17 | stryngs | true |
| 19:01.21 | stryngs | but if people dont share the work |
| 19:01.26 | stryngs | it defeats the community concept |
| 19:01.31 | ecc3g | everything you can fix yourself, but it reflects poorly on the community that these repos not modified |
| 19:01.39 | stryngs | ^^ |
| 19:01.44 | KotCzarny | ecc3g: what about android devices stuck with 2.x ? |
| 19:01.47 | KotCzarny | etc? |
| 19:01.54 | ecc3g | they suffer the same problem. |
| 19:02.00 | KotCzarny | you have no chance to fix them |
| 19:02.11 | stryngs | but u can fix bash on maemo is what hes sayiong |
| 19:02.14 | KotCzarny | they are often locked to prevent modifying |
| 19:02.15 | stryngs | i did.. |
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| 19:02.29 | stryngs | the reason i dont push to the maemo archives is because of my build technique |
| 19:02.39 | stryngs | i use dpkg-deb -b <dir> . |
| 19:02.51 | stryngs | as well as custom make instructions etc... |
| 19:02.51 | stryngs | Plus |
| 19:02.53 | stryngs | I don't optify |
| 19:02.58 | stryngs | because optification is retarded |
| 19:03.11 | stryngs | So my debs would kill anybody's normal n900 on / |
| 19:04.34 | KotCzarny | problem with bash is that people are afraid to touch system thingies needed to boot |
| 19:04.54 | KotCzarny | scripts could rely on some unsupported syntax, bugs etc |
| 19:06.00 | ecc3g | but we just said most people dont use bash, it will not affect boot. |
| 19:06.28 | stryngs | ^ |
| 19:06.38 | KotCzarny | then there is no shellshock problem |
| 19:06.41 | KotCzarny | if it's not used |
| 19:06.42 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:06.52 | ecc3g | for people who DO use it, it's a problem. |
| 19:06.58 | stryngs | ^ |
| 19:07.07 | KotCzarny | people who use it have to install it anyway |
| 19:07.15 | KotCzarny | to have newer version |
| 19:07.26 | stryngs | right |
| 19:07.29 | stryngs | but it should be apt-get |
| 19:07.31 | stryngs | not ./configure |
| 19:07.43 | stryngs | otherwise, what the hell is the pt of a debian system |
| 19:08.06 | ecc3g | I don't know why people would defend the bad software. It also looks bad to potential neo900 users who may end up using this too |
| 19:08.24 | stryngs | ^^ |
| 19:08.36 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 19:08.39 | KotCzarny | extras has http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/b/bash4/ |
| 19:08.43 | KotCzarny | 4.2.20 |
| 19:08.46 | stryngs | yep |
| 19:08.48 | stryngs | and thats vuln |
| 19:08.57 | KotCzarny | needs update |
| 19:09.06 | stryngs | 13:24 < stryngs> GNU bash, version 4.3.33(1)-release (armv7l-unknown-linux-gnueabi) |
| 19:09.41 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash/ |
| 19:09.45 | KotCzarny | no maintainer |
| 19:09.50 | KotCzarny | anyone up for grabs? |
| 19:10.06 | stryngs | sure |
| 19:10.06 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/packages/view/bash4/ |
| 19:10.11 | stryngs | Ill do it |
| 19:10.16 | stryngs | if i can build without scratchbox |
| 19:10.16 | KotCzarny | and this one should be notified |
| 19:10.26 | KotCzarny | stryngs: build on the device |
| 19:10.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 19:10.45 | stryngs | yep |
| 19:10.46 | stryngs | I do |
| 19:10.51 | stryngs | and i have dh_make working finally |
| 19:10.57 | stryngs | the problem is the optify crap |
| 19:11.03 | stryngs | does optify affect /usr/share? |
| 19:11.07 | KotCzarny | mailto:milang@tal.org |
| 19:11.18 | KotCzarny | you can start with mailing the guy to update bash4 |
| 19:11.21 | KotCzarny | for starters |
| 19:11.41 | ecc3g | no, he gave up on it apparently. Someone else needs to take over. |
| 19:11.44 | stryngs | Heh, he's obviously a bit behind |
| 19:11.44 | ecc3g | if only I knew how to build these. As I am not a Debian user I have utterly no clue how to do debs... |
| 19:11.50 | stryngs | taint hard ecc3g |
| 19:11.55 | stryngs | Ill give u a class if uw ant |
| 19:11.59 | KotCzarny | stryngs: take the bash4 maintenance |
| 19:11.59 | stryngs | both the right and hacker way =) |
| 19:12.04 | stryngs | well |
| 19:12.07 | stryngs | Does it need optifying |
| 19:12.09 | stryngs | thats the trick |
| 19:12.15 | stryngs | cause i cant optify |
| 19:12.19 | stryngs | not using dh_make anyways |
| 19:12.22 | ecc3g | has to be the "right" way plus whatever the maemo rep autobuilder does |
| 19:12.23 | KotCzarny | stryngs: nah |
| 19:12.36 | KotCzarny | just trim the unneeded stuff |
| 19:12.37 | ecc3g | <- Gentoo user... so stuck doing things the gentoo way... |
| 19:12.38 | stryngs | pymaemo-optify is an empty deb on my system |
| 19:12.48 | stryngs | ecc3g: Steps to build a .deb: |
| 19:13.24 | stryngs | get ssource, tar zxf it. cd to it. ./configure --prefix=/usr;make;make install DESTDIR /root/foo;cd /root/foo;mkdir DEBIAN |
| 19:13.28 | ecc3g | well, it would involve scratchbox or whatever x-compile system the autobuilder uses so whatever is here, isn't complete... |
| 19:13.31 | stryngs | make a control file, throw it in DEBIAN |
| 19:13.33 | stryngs | cd /root |
| 19:13.35 | stryngs | dpkg-deb -b foo . |
| 19:13.36 | stryngs | done |
| 19:13.37 | stryngs | =) |
| 19:13.38 | KotCzarny | you can even grab the source from the debian page |
| 19:13.44 | KotCzarny | and build it |
| 19:13.49 | KotCzarny | as it's already debianized |
| 19:13.55 | stryngs | doesnt involve scratchbox ecc3g |
| 19:13.58 | ecc3g | but not maemonized. |
| 19:14.04 | stryngs | there is no maemonized |
| 19:14.09 | stryngs | it's called optification |
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| 19:14.19 | stryngs | and it simply takes stuff from / and puts it on /home |
| 19:14.22 | stryngs | for space purposes |
| 19:14.25 | stryngs | and its gay |
| 19:14.28 | stryngs | shoulda been done way diff |
| 19:14.58 | KotCzarny | still, we can get away with bash4 being >400kb |
| 19:15.42 | stryngs | Nokia-N900:/bin# ls -lih bash 235270 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 818.5K Dec 31 16:18 bash |
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| 19:20.30 | KotCzarny | as for maemoizing, just take a diff and see what they patched |
| 19:20.34 | KotCzarny | if anything |
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| 19:30.48 | ecc3g | if they didnt change anything, then it should be trivial to update... |
| 19:31.03 | KotCzarny | most likely |
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| 19:47.05 | KotCzarny | who assigns package maintainers on maemo.org? |
| 19:54.37 | M4rtinK | that's a good question |
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| 22:19.38 | totalizator | KotCzarny: it's merlin1991 imho |
| 22:23.24 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.39 | KotCzarny | one of the best modules from amiga |
| 22:25.03 | joga | heh, I played it on pc, but I love the beeper tune |
| 22:25.20 | KotCzarny | amiga had the best soundtracks at the time |
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| 22:58.23 | totalizator | hah, it reminds me Savage music so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8NDwMqaGWA |
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| 23:40.58 | stryngs | Do any of you folks happen to know why tcpdump would not pick out IP addressess nor payload data whilst using a wifi nic in monitor mode? |
| 23:41.04 | stryngs | What could I have broken/built wrong? |