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00:19.30erlehmannhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89253
00:19.31povbot04Bug 89253: was not found.
00:38.42kongis there a way on nokia n900 to view youtube or facebook video? nothing good found on google
00:41.20dos1kong: there's cutetube for youtube
00:42.01kongnot working for me! if i try to view video on cutetube it shows up "related videos" but never the video
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00:42.47dos1hmm, I did have problems with it recently as well
00:43.04dos1I guess something on youtube side changed and it needs newer version of youtube-dl
00:44.14kongI also thought
00:44.29kongwould be cool to view in browser, but slow
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07:56.32sixwheeledbeast^kong: cutetube WFM, which version are you using?
07:59.17sixwheeledbeast^flash videos will not work in a browser, IIRC flash faker stopped working. QML Browser (all be it a bit buggy) will play html5 video.
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08:19.13KotCzarnyhmm
08:19.14KotCzarnyftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/releases/7.0.1/maemo5-gtk/en-US/
08:21.23KotCzarnywonder if there is a way to take a source, then patch it up to higher releases
08:26.26sixwheeledbeast^KotCzarny: IIRC that was the last available version possible for some reason.
08:26.53KotCzarnyreason being nokia stopping support for n900?
08:32.12KotCzarnyhtml5 webm was added in fx5
08:32.27KotCzarnydoes it mean it we can have youtub/html5 ?
08:33.14KotCzarnygotta try it now
08:36.06sixwheeledbeast^KotCzarny: It wasn't nokia. I can't remember the details but the death and slowness of fennec spawned embedlite and alopex projects.
08:38.16sixwheeledbeast^fennec was very memory intensive and practically usable from version 2
08:40.34sixwheeledbeast^it would be great if the issues were fixed with QML browser IMO. I would use it as my default browser then.
08:41.16KotCzarnyinternet says that fx7 used half of the earlier versions memory
08:41.23KotCzarnyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Version_7
08:45.56sixwheeledbeast^KotCzarny: Fennec and Firefox are different.
08:47.33sixwheeledbeast^http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_mobile  As you can see Mozilla dropped support for fennec after 4, someone on TMO built 7.0.1 for Maemo.
08:48.14sixwheeledbeast^dropped Fennec support for Maemo, I should say.
08:51.40KotCzarnyhrm
08:51.45KotCzarnyit works
08:51.49KotCzarnyin a way
08:51.58KotCzarnyyoutube detects webm support
08:52.08KotCzarnybut videos open in system player
08:52.15KotCzarnystill, works out of the box
08:52.42Luke-Jrdoes 7.0.1 work reasonably? or still too slow to use?
08:52.57KotCzarnyluke: depends
08:52.59KotCzarnyjust try it
08:54.03sixwheeledbeast^Luke-Jr: It's not usable IMO. 7.0.1 was the last version for Maemo
08:54.41KotCzarnyswb: still, you can browse youtube/watch videos without any hacking
08:54.41Luke-Jrhm, I currently appear to have 17.0a1
08:54.55KotCzarnyluke, lol
08:54.59sixwheeledbeast^Luke-Jr: thumb?
08:55.02Luke-Jryes
08:55.07sixwheeledbeast^that's why
08:55.12Luke-Jris 7.0 better?
08:55.19sixwheeledbeast^there are thumb bulds about too
08:55.22KotCzarnyi would say newer is better
08:55.32Luke-JrKotCzarny: well, the 17 is entirely unusable
08:55.35KotCzarnyfaster js etc
08:55.36sixwheeledbeast^Luke-Jr: no the thumb version would be better
08:56.00KotCzarnyluke, you can install tar.bz2 version and run from some dir
08:56.09KotCzarnywithout interfering with installed one
08:56.15Luke-Jr:<
08:56.24Luke-Jrwish there was a browser that worked with Uber
08:56.42sixwheeledbeast^I wouldn't bother IMO but if you like to experiment go for it.
08:58.10sixwheeledbeast^I so wished fennec to work. I used it from version 1, but it's been unusable for so long.
09:00.04KotCzarnywell, it's not that bad
09:00.10sixwheeledbeast^http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88682 thumb build thread
09:00.21KotCzarnyi can live with a bit of slowness as long page renders and works
09:00.36Luke-JrKotCzarny: I tried for 2 hours to call an Uber.
09:00.41Luke-Jrthat is beyond slow
09:00.45KotCzarnyi only browse web on n900 when i'm on-the-go
09:00.51sixwheeledbeast^http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 alopex thread
09:00.58sixwheeledbeast^~alopex
09:00.58infobotsomebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671
09:01.21Luke-Jryeah, usually when you want to call Uber, it's because you're on-the-go… :P
09:01.22KotCzarnywould thumb build work on stock fremantle?
09:01.30Luke-JrKotCzarny: no
09:01.32sixwheeledbeast^doh, infobot worked for a change :(
09:01.35KotCzarnyluke: don't know what uber is
09:01.41KotCzarnyhehe
09:01.43Luke-JrKotCzarny: cheap taxi
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10:22.37Kamping_Kaiserbencoh: i have collected a few. I can't list them now but I'll definitely come back and ask about them in the next few days :)
10:22.41Kamping_Kaiserthanks
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11:55.26kongHow can i change n900 default media player to KMPlayer? it just support most video formats not like the standard video player
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14:09.22kongkong you can change default applications in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
14:09.43kongthx kong!
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14:36.19Sicelokong: yes it's possible, BUT .. consider that the N900 has a DSP which KMPlayer cannot access/use. So when playing videos, you lose the benefit of the DSP as now everything must be handled by main CPU.
14:36.49KotCzarnysicelo, some mplayer builds DO USE dsp
14:37.00Sicelooh, didn't know
14:37.16KotCzarnyat least they did in 2009 when i was playing with it
14:37.32Siceloi have mplayer .. you know which build versions we're talking about?
14:37.35KotCzarnydon't know which kmplayer uses
14:38.27KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/
14:38.49KotCzarnyfor diablo
14:39.09Sicelois using SVN-r30099-4.2.1 on Maemo.
14:40.02SiceloKotCzarny: you're talking about diablo? or you also tested on Maemo? (bear in mind i'm not saying you're wrong, but i need enlightenment:)
14:40.04KotCzarny[root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/]# mplayer
14:40.05KotCzarnyMPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
14:40.05KotCzarnyCPU: ARM
14:40.05KotCzarnyInternet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0
14:41.55KotCzarnyyou can always grab it and check if it's better than the one you have
14:42.11KotCzarnybut i assume people managed to improve mplayer in fremantle
14:43.06Sicelotbh i think most people have zero issues with stock player. there is OMP which is a FOSS gui front-end and is way nicer
14:43.22Siceloymmv
14:43.40KotCzarnykmplayer most likely is just a gui for mplayer
14:43.54KotCzarnywhich can have gui protocol compiled in
14:44.53kongi got in 1 of my movies fps loss but rest is well now
14:45.24kongmuch better then the no video codec message!
14:45.45Sicelowhat format was the video? what codecs in use?
14:46.02Siceloif it's public, a link will also help :)
14:46.41kongflv, avi, mp4, mov
14:46.55kongmovies are on sd card
14:47.12Siceloyou have an example you can share publicly somewhere? want to test with mine
14:47.26KotCzarnysicelo: you can grab flv from youtube
14:47.50kongi received a video from whatsapp, also not playable without kmplayer for me
14:47.52kongor mplayer
14:48.36Siceloi've downloaded many videos from youtube (using cutecube), and they play with stock
14:48.55KotCzarnymost likely cutecube downloads supported format
14:50.16KotCzarnyin firefox install 'youtube video and audio downloader'
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14:50.33KotCzarnyit will present you with multiple links
14:52.16Siceloxfers some flv from his pc (downloaded with youtube download helper .. will test now
14:53.37kongfirefox on n900?
14:53.53KotCzarnynah, on lapyop
14:53.58KotCzarny*laptop
14:54.24KotCzarnyon n900 it's called fennec, but is slow
14:54.24Sicelo<from his pc> ;)
14:54.54kongKotCzarny: does it works?
14:54.58KotCzarnyyes
14:55.08kongalso on youtube?
14:55.40KotCzarnyon youtube i have set format to html5 (webm) and it launched system player which played videos fine
14:56.10KotCzarnycumbersome a bit but workede
14:56.12KotCzarny*worked
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14:59.30Sicelowww.youtube.com/watch?v=ex0XUS6ppas
14:59.33KotCzarnybut if you scroll up, someone mentioned 2 alternative
14:59.48Siceloi'm playing that flv right now in stock media player .. just fine :)
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15:00.02KotCzarny<infobot> somebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671
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15:15.41Palianything which use gstreamer for playback use DSP
15:16.01Paliand I think that all versions of mplayer does not have support for video decoding on DSP
15:16.50KotCzarnypali: ask ssvb, he was the one that hacked it
15:17.05KotCzarnyand probably the only one
15:19.08ssvbPali: MPplayer only used DSP for audio on Nokia 770 (hooking gstreamer in a very roundabout way)
15:20.09KotCzarnyssvb: didn't it also hack video device?
15:20.18ssvbno
15:20.34KotCzarnyoh, well
15:20.52Sicelobtw, kong's videos play fine on my N900
15:21.20ssvbKotCzarny: Nokia 770 has a very bad DSP video decoder implementation, that's why the ARM core could run circles around it :)
15:22.03KotCzarny:)
15:22.10ssvbit was OK for offloading audio though
15:25.32Siceloif only gstreamer wasn't such a nightmare to understand :(
15:25.57KotCzarnyif you like nightmares, look at pulseaudio api
15:26.55PaliI know some parts of PA :-(
15:27.54PaliSicelo: and do you think ffmpeg/libav has better api then gstreamer?
15:28.11KotCzarnylibav has better support for different codecs
15:28.17Paliand if you are really hard hacker, look at dbus API :D:D
15:28.36Palieven official documentation say: you do not want to use it! :D
15:28.45KotCzarnywriting own player with ffmpeg/libav is very simple
15:28.47Pali(that C dbus api library)
15:29.15KotCzarnypity it won't compile assembly on n800's default gcc :/
15:29.28Sicelowell, i'm not even at the API level .. but what i meant was from a user point of view ... trying to stream N900's camera for example ...
15:29.47Palithere is missing application for streaming...
15:30.00Paliand using low level gst-launch is just hack :D
15:34.26kongthere is phonestream
15:34.33kongcan stream to vlc and much other
15:48.24KotCzarnywoo, hoo, softvol is in
15:48.39KotCzarny(f*ck the pulse audio)
15:49.12keriofuck the plebs
15:49.30KotCzarnyplebs?
15:51.55Luke-Jrsoftvol?
15:52.33Luke-Jrthis doesn't appear to address the N900's special needs
15:52.55KotCzarnyn900 pa
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