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| 09:11.15 | KotCzarny | heh, hard_cortex would be better |
| 09:18.26 | KotCzarny | decoding aac+ stream on n800 takes ~30% |
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| 09:28.19 | KotCzarny | in another news, n800+oscp works great as internet radio browser/player |
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| 09:30.21 | KotCzarny | mine ended up connected to stereo |
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| 11:52.37 | supaflu | https://twitter.com/locusf |
| 11:52.43 | supaflu | thats gonna be interesting! |
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| 15:22.12 | Openbot | KotCzarny hi |
| 15:22.52 | Openbot | doom |
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| 18:15.00 | KotCzarny | what is default audio system in n950? |
| 18:15.18 | KotCzarny | would app compiled for n900 work in n950? |
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| 18:29.29 | Sicelo | would assume PA as well.. |
| 18:30.05 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: rather test with N9 .. unless you're one of the most privileged |
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| 18:41.51 | KotCzarny | i don't have n9 |
| 18:42.00 | KotCzarny | still, the question is the same |
| 18:42.59 | KotCzarny | also, would be swell if someone with n9/n950 here coulde test my app |
| 18:50.11 | Sicelo | i was just indicating that N950 users a *verrrry* few |
| 18:50.35 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 18:50.48 | KotCzarny | i wouldn't mind having one |
| 18:51.01 | slapin | hi, all! |
| 18:51.07 | KotCzarny | hi, you |
| 18:51.34 | slapin | how hard would that be to port maemo5 on new kernel and on Allwinner A13 tablet? |
| 18:52.09 | KotCzarny | aren't there any other linux already ported? |
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| 19:40.05 | merlin1991 | slapin: depends on what you consider "maemo5" |
| 19:40.21 | merlin1991 | if you're just after the hildon ui, then it has been already done in a way |
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| 20:31.29 | slapin | merlin1991: I'd like to have some apps, too |
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| 21:12.25 | merlin1991 | slapin: well if you have the hildon framework and ie an obs setup it should be trivial to make source to app builds for the maemo extras repo.... |
| 21:13.57 | slapin | merlin1991: is there some closed components it depend on much? is compositor open yet? |
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| 22:07.21 | sixwheeledbeast^ | ~fptf |
| 22:07.22 | infobot | it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
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| 22:21.16 | erlehmann | porting task force! |
| 22:31.24 | erlehmann | Mika Niinistö wrote me |
| 22:31.37 | erlehmann | > I do remember that MUI did check for âpending messagesâ in the beginning, fetched them, informed telepathy they have been âseenâ and then continued on listening to incoming messages. I think messages marked as âscrollbackâ mightâve had some special meaning, and thereâs some magic in trying to avoid duplicate messages. If the sending resource (handle of the sender) of the message was not available on the telepathy backend, I think the |
| 22:31.37 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.10 | erlehmann | merlin1991 Pali would you recompile telepathy with the âignore messages coming directly from roomsâ part deleted? |
| 22:39.54 | Pali | if you provide patch I can try to play with it |
| 22:42.08 | erlehmann | Pali okay |
| 22:42.09 | erlehmann | wait |
| 22:44.29 | erlehmann | Pali i have patch here |
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| 22:46.46 | erlehmann | Pali http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-unignore-muc-messages.patch |
| 22:47.07 | erlehmann | Pali can you apply patch? |
| 22:47.08 | erlehmann | deleted code is debugged code |
| 22:47.31 | erlehmann | i will look for more code that should be deleted |
| 22:47.39 | Pali | what your patch is doing? |
| 22:48.00 | Pali | can you provide more description (there is only "Unignore MUC messages") |
| 22:48.41 | erlehmann | the comment describes what the code is doing. it is ignoring messages deliberately that come from MUC. |
| 22:48.41 | erlehmann | so i removed that antifeature |
| 22:49.00 | Pali | why it is needed? |
| 22:49.06 | kong | when i connect to n900 using ssh the connection will freeze after a few minutes, is it possible to prevent? |
| 22:49.23 | erlehmann | Pali so telepathy does not filter useful messages |
| 22:49.37 | Pali | what are those messages? |
| 22:49.47 | erlehmann | let me debug! |
| 22:49.48 | erlehmann | wait i collect some |
| 22:50.08 | Pali | I still do not know what it is doing and why it is needed... |
| 22:50.29 | Pali | and why we should include it |
| 22:50.43 | erlehmann | Pali messages coming directly from the groupchat are filtered |
| 22:50.53 | erlehmann | like if a message comes from maemo@conference.ccc.de |
| 22:50.57 | erlehmann | it is not relayed by telepathy |
| 22:51.14 | Pali | they are normal chat messages? |
| 22:51.24 | erlehmann | this means for example you do not see topic messages! |
| 22:51.44 | erlehmann | they are <message ⦠type='groupchat'> |
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| 22:51.53 | erlehmann | only they come directly from the room |
| 22:51.59 | erlehmann | and not from the occupants of the room |
| 22:52.07 | erlehmann | that means that on n900 i cannot see room topic |
| 22:52.20 | erlehmann | with my patch it will be possible! |
| 22:53.06 | Pali | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message |
| 22:53.09 | Pali | do you mean this ^^^ |
| 22:53.14 | Pali | "7.4 Sending a Message to All Occupants" |
| 22:53.16 | Pali | ? |
| 22:55.55 | erlehmann | Pali no |
| 22:56.02 | erlehmann | Pali i mean messages FROM coven@chat.shakespeare.lit |
| 22:56.03 | erlehmann | not TO it |
| 22:57.04 | erlehmann | let me give you an example XML stanza |
| 22:57.08 | erlehmann | i am generating it now |
| 22:57.24 | Pali | ok |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'> |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | <body>Dieser Raum ist nicht anonym</body> |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | <x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user'> |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | <status code='100'/> |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | </x> |
| 22:58.36 | erlehmann | </message> |
| 22:58.47 | erlehmann | Pali this comes if you go to devel@conference.pidgin.im |
| 22:58.52 | erlehmann | it is mentioned in the source code |
| 22:59.01 | Pali | I found this: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#subject-mod |
| 22:59.07 | Pali | 8.1 Modifying the Room Subject |
| 22:59.42 | erlehmann | my jabber client warns me then that everyone can see my JID |
| 22:59.49 | erlehmann | but telepathy clients could never do that |
| 22:59.53 | erlehmann | because the message is filtered |
| 23:00.47 | Pali | so without your patch all messages with type "groupchat" are dropped? |
| 23:00.54 | erlehmann | no |
| 23:01.03 | erlehmann | all messages from the room itself are dropped. |
| 23:01.14 | erlehmann | but messages from occupants are not |
| 23:01.27 | erlehmann | so when you join the room devel@conference.pidgin.im with a telepathy client |
| 23:01.37 | erlehmann | you do not see âDieser Raum ist nicht anonymâ |
| 23:01.45 | erlehmann | because it comes from devel@conference.pidgin.im |
| 23:01.49 | erlehmann | and not from devel@conference.pidgin.im/username |
| 23:02.32 | Pali | right, now I think I understand it (its 00:02 here) |
| 23:02.48 | Pali | I should go sleep... |
| 23:03.00 | erlehmann | <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'> |
| 23:03.01 | erlehmann | <subject>Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</subject> |
| 23:03.01 | erlehmann | <body>rekkanoryo hat das Thema geändert auf: Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</body> |
| 23:03.01 | erlehmann | </message> |
| 23:03.01 | erlehmann | <r xmlns='urn:xmpp:sm:2'/> |
| 23:03.07 | erlehmann | that is the thing you cannot see on n900 |
| 23:03.12 | erlehmann | Pali so will you merge it? |
| 23:03.26 | Pali | first I would like to know, why telepathy had disabled those messages? |
| 23:04.52 | Pali | ok, git commit d4d5a2f9 added that code |
| 23:05.04 | erlehmann | i think telepathy devs consider those messages useless |
| 23:05.14 | Pali | MUC: ignore non-error, non-echos from the MUC |
| 23:05.14 | Pali | (It's not clear that they ever contain useful information, and we previously suppressed them.) |
| 23:05.17 | erlehmann | but they are sent for a reason (e.g. so that everyone notices topic change) |
| 23:05.20 | Pali | commit message ^^^ |
| 23:05.35 | erlehmann | cargo culting |
| 23:05.35 | erlehmann | lel |
| 23:05.46 | Pali | do you know if this patch is still present in upstream telepathy-gabble? |
| 23:05.47 | erlehmann | commit d4d5a2f99eb5e1a2471662c09ff04aee865dde36 |
| 23:05.49 | erlehmann | Author: Will Thompson <will.thompson@collabora.co.uk> |
| 23:05.49 | erlehmann | Date: Wed Nov 12 11:31:15 2008 +0000 |
| 23:05.49 | erlehmann | i see |
| 23:05.54 | erlehmann | let me see |
| 23:06.27 | Pali | if that patch was reverted, I have no problem to revert it for maemo immediatelly |
| 23:06.51 | erlehmann | let me see |
| 23:07.58 | erlehmann | Pali if it was not reverted? |
| 23:08.31 | erlehmann | i browse tree |
| 23:08.48 | Pali | I would really like to know reason why it was added (probably it fixes some bug?) and if there are potential regressions with reverting it |
| 23:10.52 | Pali | ok, looks like that code is still in telepathy-gabble git... |
| 23:11.38 | Pali | erlehmann: I can revert that commit and push new version of telepathy-gabble to cssu-devel |
| 23:12.07 | Pali | but it needs more people to test that reverting that patch does not cause problems with other jabber parts... |
| 23:19.31 | Pali | erlehmann: Its in git: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/commit/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb/diffs/08c7a9dae2fb55d67fc01ba90f1f3889393ef400 |
| 23:19.47 | erlehmann | great |
| 23:19.49 | erlehmann | deleted code is debugged code |
| 23:19.52 | Pali | please ping me back next day and I will upload new version to cssu-devel |
| 23:20.04 | erlehmann | i will try to remember it |
| 23:20.10 | Pali | now I'm going offline |
| 23:20.29 | Pali | (or you can ping anybody with upload rights to cssu-devel repo) |
| 23:20.33 | erlehmann | i will delete more useless code! |
| 23:20.37 | erlehmann | thank you |
| 23:20.40 | erlehmann | who is that |
| 23:20.42 | erlehmann | merlin1991 is it? |
| 23:21.59 | Pali | merlin1991 and also freemangordon |
| 23:22.46 | erlehmann | okay |
| 23:22.48 | erlehmann | thank you |
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