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| 03:38.33 | MonkeyofDoom | how does maemo do wifi? I can't find NetworkManager or wpa_supplicant running |
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| 04:16.59 | MonkeyofDoom | wtf, osso-wlan and eapd |
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| 04:28.00 | Sicelo | and eapd closed :( |
| 04:28.10 | Sicelo | why you ask anyway? |
| 04:28.27 | Sicelo | you can used wpa_supplicant if you have to ... |
| 04:39.58 | MonkeyofDoom | Sicelo: I've been trying every permutation of options to get the Maemo to connect to a PEAP/mschapv2 network recently and was hoping to look at debug output to see something more informative than "authentication failure" |
| 04:40.26 | MonkeyofDoom | worst-case I'll look into wpa_supplicant, but I assume that means the GUI becomes inoperative? |
| 04:41.46 | MonkeyofDoom | why would they ship a closed-source component like that if there was a working open-source one out there? |
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| 05:12.22 | pabs3 | this site appears to be a spam site but planet-maemo is subscribed to its RSS feed http://www.maemo-guru.com/ |
| 05:12.29 | pabs3 | could someone remove it? |
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| 05:30.06 | Sicelo | MonkeyofDoom: try the EAP tab in Advanced SEttings. Enable "Use manual user name" and re-enter the username in the "Manual user name field." If you've tried this and it didn't work, then wpa_supplicant is the only way you can connect to that network |
| 05:30.34 | Sicelo | has a network like that at work, and wpa_supplicant works just fine |
| 05:30.51 | MonkeyofDoom | I believe I've already tried exactly that |
| 05:30.57 | MonkeyofDoom | but I'll give it a go next chance I get |
| 05:33.22 | MonkeyofDoom | fairly garbage that there are networks where it Just Doesn't Work though, no? |
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| 08:46.31 | KotCzarny | can i have multiple sdks in one scratchbox? |
| 08:47.20 | KotCzarny | ie. 770 and n800 and n900 ? |
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| 09:17.40 | bencoh | KotCzarny: you can choose the target in sb, so .... I'd say "yes" but I dunno for sure and I have never tried |
| 09:18.31 | KotCzarny | bencoh: thought about that, but do sdk installers are dependant on specific tools versions etc |
| 09:18.55 | KotCzarny | worst case scenario is 3 separate sdks with home dirs symlinked |
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| 09:21.30 | bencoh | dunno |
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| 10:14.05 | Sicelo | MonkeyofDoom: it looks like eapd isn't strictly at fault. seems most of the time there is actually something broken in the network or its config. N900 'takes things too seriously' with Enterprise networks. once something is amiss, it will refuse to connect, while almost all other devices will let you choose to connnect anyway. N900 will not even auto-connect to an enterprise network .. there is some bug against that, and Nokia said it's a feature. |
| 10:14.48 | bencoh | what do you mean by "once something is amiss" |
| 10:14.49 | bencoh | ? |
| 10:19.12 | Sicelo | when there is something not exactly right with the network |
| 10:19.55 | Sicelo | e.g. our work network has some certificate problem. even iPhone users get prompted to "connect anyway" the first time |
| 10:20.15 | KotCzarny | isn't enterprise about security? |
| 10:20.53 | KotCzarny | if enterprise sets fugly network, its' fugly enterprise and should be ticketed to it/sysadmins deparment |
| 10:21.07 | drathir | depend of it guy workin in enterprise corpo i guess... |
| 10:21.08 | Sicelo | which of course N900 does not. i setup a proper PEAP network at home, and N900 connects to it just fine. that's why i say N900 isn't exactly in the wrong, except that it does take things too seriously :) |
| 10:21.33 | drathir | Sicelo: what is missing ? |
| 10:21.47 | KotCzarny | sicelo, as i said, nag the sysadmins |
| 10:21.49 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 10:21.56 | Sicelo | lol.. KotCzarny :D |
| 10:22.18 | KotCzarny | it's their job they are paid for, right? |
| 10:22.24 | Sicelo | there's over 1000, and i'm the only N900 user. you can guess i don't count |
| 10:22.37 | Sicelo | *1000 users of this WiFi |
| 10:22.39 | KotCzarny | you've found a bug in their network |
| 10:22.53 | KotCzarny | and bugs usually mean there is a hole |
| 10:23.03 | bencoh | depends on the "bug" |
| 10:23.16 | KotCzarny | bugs are results of flaky code |
| 10:23.17 | bencoh | for instance, if the certificate is expired, that's a "bug" |
| 10:23.26 | drathir | Sicelo: maybe You using staff that match rfc-s ^^ |
| 10:23.35 | Sicelo | drathir: i have forgot the exact problem .. been a while since i checked out the situation. |
| 10:23.47 | Sicelo | using what? |
| 10:23.57 | KotCzarny | sicelo, in the worst case just set up wifi ap for yourself ;) |
| 10:24.03 | bencoh | if the CA they're using isnt installed on n900 (or if their cert is autosigned) it's not a bug |
| 10:24.21 | drathir | Sicelo: specifications of interfaces used, not all stuff follow thats docs... |
| 10:24.23 | KotCzarny | i think he meant 'stuff' |
| 10:25.05 | Sicelo | KotCzarny: not permitted in the work environment to install other connectivity devices. only managed cisco are here. even bluetooth service is disabled on all computers :p |
| 10:25.46 | drathir | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Request_for_Comments |
| 10:25.48 | KotCzarny | so, back to 'try to debug and find what's wrong' phase then |
| 10:26.07 | KotCzarny | then to post the ticket for sysadmins |
| 10:26.08 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:26.22 | Sicelo | :D |
| 10:27.01 | KotCzarny | grab some linux machine, enable max debugs in wpa_supplicant, and see if there is anything interesting that might point you to the n900 issue |
| 10:27.12 | Sicelo | i'm not a sysadmin, but am privileged to look at them. Nokia is officially not supported (this enterprise problem is not N900-specific .. even N8 and others have it) |
| 10:27.14 | KotCzarny | ie. try to connect at work with max debug |
| 10:27.25 | drathir | KotCzarny: yea and the sysadmin go to angry mode ;p |
| 10:27.33 | bencoh | BOFH :p |
| 10:27.39 | KotCzarny | drathir: more like, 'i dont care' mode |
| 10:27.43 | Sicelo | and i do have wap_supplicant on the N900 .. that's how i connect to this wifi |
| 10:28.00 | Sicelo | so yes, they can keep their network, lol.. i don't care anymore |
| 10:28.03 | KotCzarny | sicelo, enable max debug, investigate for oddities |
| 10:28.35 | erlehmann | i want the source code for message center |
| 10:28.37 | erlehmann | where is it |
| 10:28.39 | erlehmann | gibe source |
| 10:28.41 | erlehmann | i can patch |
| 10:28.52 | drathir | Sicelo: i say You that almost sure the bb9900 is even more restrictive "in secure config" than n900... |
| 10:28.58 | Sicelo | i did that .. but that info isn't of any use in the end. they will not reconfigure it for me only, especially using such an 'ancient' device |
| 10:28.59 | KotCzarny | sicelo: find other users, make a lobby |
| 10:29.20 | Sicelo | haha, maybe i'm a lazy guy then ... |
| 10:29.48 | Sicelo | but i can assure you only Nokia users have problems here (symbian + my 2 maemo devices). so .. who cares |
| 10:29.48 | KotCzarny | or grab data plan for your phone |
| 10:30.08 | Sicelo | 10:27 < Sicelo> and i do have wap_supplicant on the N900 .. that's how i connect to this wifi |
| 10:30.30 | bencoh | does it work with wpa_supplicant ? |
| 10:30.34 | Sicelo | 100% |
| 10:30.57 | bencoh | oh, well ... |
| 10:31.00 | drathir | symbian mostly not care about certs i guess... never have any warnings about... ;/ |
| 10:31.02 | Sicelo | just disable cert verification in the config and you're done ;) |
| 10:31.15 | bencoh | Sicelo: is the cert autosigned, or expired ? |
| 10:31.26 | Sicelo | symbian does care .. it just never warns you, same as maemo :p |
| 10:32.16 | drathir | Sicelo: oh... /me not sure than whats is the point if not warn about... |
| 10:32.38 | KotCzarny | drathir: doesnt warn, just drops connection |
| 10:32.39 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 10:32.44 | KotCzarny | ie. nazi mode |
| 10:32.45 | drathir | like certpatrol ;p |
| 10:32.45 | Sicelo | bencoh: i will recheck the cert issue for you.. there is a CA, and the cert is signed by that CA .. however using the root cert didn't help me at all. maybe it's missing some fields or something |
| 10:33.06 | bencoh | oh, sad |
| 10:34.35 | drathir | KotCzarny: thats the point never have a symbin sytuation with drop, thats low possibility i have that big lucky, the bb9900 is nazi mode, because with really wrong cert even not allow to connect no force mode at all... |
| 10:35.00 | Sicelo | will be quicker to show you the error it throws on Windows for this ... it's in some MS KB |
| 10:36.29 | drathir | Sicelo: wonder if they using multiple dns matching... ? |
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| 11:23.51 | pabs3 | this site appears to be a spam site but planet-maemo is subscribed to its RSS feed http://www.maemo-guru.com/ |
| 11:23.52 | pabs3 | could someone remove it? |
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| 11:36.11 | erlehmann | the link to the SDK is dead http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
| 11:36.24 | KotCzarny | yes, for quite long time |
| 11:36.29 | KotCzarny | few years probably |
| 11:36.40 | erlehmann | how do i start developing |
| 11:36.40 | Sicelo | so, bencoh, drathir, KotCzarny ... Microsoft KB 2518158 ... that's what you get for this wifi network on a windows machine which is outside the domain. said laptop has the cert. managed laptops don't get this prompt |
| 11:36.52 | erlehmann | i want the MUC chat to fix |
| 11:37.11 | KotCzarny | erlehmann: grab the source, change the code |
| 11:37.20 | erlehmann | KotCzarny where is the repository for all source code? |
| 11:37.25 | KotCzarny | in case source is not available, find someone who can change it |
| 11:37.58 | KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/development/sources/ |
| 11:39.09 | erlehmann | okay thx |
| 11:39.41 | erlehmann | how is the messagengi interface called? |
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| 11:40.28 | KotCzarny | sicelo: google found this for me: http://serverfault.com/questions/624218/setting-up-nps-with-a-certificate-that-is-valid-to-both-ad-and-non-ad-machines |
| 11:40.42 | KotCzarny | could be only one of many problems related to that kb |
| 11:41.36 | bencoh | ~sb |
| 11:41.36 | infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 11:41.42 | bencoh | erlehmann: ^ |
| 11:42.22 | bencoh | apt-get source <existing-package> to fetch sources from repository |
| 11:42.29 | bencoh | and see gitorious.org/community-cssu |
| 11:42.35 | bencoh | err |
| 11:43.09 | bencoh | gitorious.org/community-ssu (no "c") |
| 11:43.15 | erlehmann | i do not know how the package is called |
| 11:43.48 | Sicelo | so anyway, you know how sysadmins are ... they know, you don't. when you try show that you know, they start hunting you down in suspcion of hacking, etc. |
| 11:44.07 | bencoh | welcome to the corpo world |
| 11:44.10 | Sicelo | is satisfied with wpa_supplicant solution as a result :) |
| 11:44.12 | drathir | Sicelo: thanks... |
| 11:44.13 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:45.14 | KotCzarny | sicelo, isnt it that what you are doing now? |
| 11:45.14 | bencoh | Sicelo: "real" sysadmins in a proper env aren't like that ;) |
| 11:45.31 | KotCzarny | ie. using different tools to connect, debug etc |
| 11:45.36 | Sicelo | i'm not saying this is the problem on the network MonkeyofDoom is using, but that broken networks do exist in abundance, and no one cares to fix them |
| 11:45.41 | KotCzarny | tHATS hacking |
| 11:45.43 | Sicelo | haha KotCzarny |
| 11:45.50 | KotCzarny | which is different from CRACKING |
| 11:45.55 | KotCzarny | learn the difference |
| 11:46.42 | bencoh | :-) |
| 11:46.51 | Sicelo | i know. anyway, wpa_supplicant is 'hacking' my phone, not the network lulz |
| 11:47.29 | KotCzarny | still, you are hacking |
| 11:47.30 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:48.03 | Sicelo | pity Exchange ActiveSync can't be fooled in the same way .. |
| 11:48.30 | drathir | im pretty sure if they dont care about security of connect to network they even more dont care about Sicelo "hacking" ;p |
| 11:48.30 | Sicelo | it's the only corporate resource i cannot use atm, and OWA is disabled on our network |
| 11:50.18 | drathir | but true better not give solutions, because if someone goin to make nasty things You become first suspicious one ;/ that sad... |
| 11:50.44 | Sicelo | yes, true that |
| 11:51.14 | Sicelo | luckily, i'm the only N900 user, and Symbianers can't be helped this way |
| 11:52.11 | drathir | That why me only allow to get access to friends pc, and not much like get access to random one persons from network even when helping... |
| 11:53.18 | KotCzarny | well.. friends can be your worst enemy |
| 11:53.20 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:53.34 | drathir | ofc often me takes few min to fix somethin than few h to make a follow person with my minds ;p |
| 11:54.12 | drathir | but taht is more secure for me, and for person bc he also should feel more secure... |
| 11:54.26 | KotCzarny | why computers have viruses? because of people using them (mostly) |
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| 11:57.55 | drathir | KotCzarny: thats true, but personally not have a much friend, but them are real one root meaning of that word not like this days "normal" ppl understandin "friends" word mean... personally even save to give full acces to bank account w/o any aware... ;p |
| 11:58.24 | drathir | KotCzarny: bc of winscary... |
| 11:58.25 | KotCzarny | friend is someone you give root access to |
| 11:58.28 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 11:58.41 | drathir | KotCzarny: that all bad is bc of m$ ;p |
| 11:59.45 | KotCzarny | (stupid pygtk not showing icons on buttons *grumble*) |
| 11:59.52 | drathir | KotCzarny: which one make ppl more stupid one than real them are... m$ is brain vaccum for ppl... |
| 12:00.14 | Pali | here is alt link: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/ |
| 12:00.26 | KotCzarny | drathir: windows started as a way to allow not-computer-savvy people use computers |
| 12:00.47 | KotCzarny | then it just went the 'we know, you dont, but here, click those icons' |
| 12:01.03 | KotCzarny | neo-illiteracy |
| 12:01.22 | KotCzarny | from understanding back to image-communication |
| 12:02.20 | drathir | KotCzarny: no they find good way to drain ppl money for nothing and make ppl dumb-er and foul them... ;/ no thinkin when using a pc is worser than not using pc at all... |
| 12:02.29 | KotCzarny | that too |
| 12:03.38 | KotCzarny | but it's the way world went, many years ago if kid was running free late, no one cared much, now.. 'oh no, you must be with kid ALL the time or something bad will happen' |
| 12:03.52 | drathir | when only can direct ppl to linux and help and learn to using the "better and safer" os... |
| 12:03.55 | KotCzarny | ie. from civilised to gangsta |
| 12:06.30 | drathir | KotCzarny: but honestly wonder and will little scared what will happen if linux get as much donation like m$ drain from ppl... aware if not became better but worser... |
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| 12:07.19 | KotCzarny | drathir: linux doesnt need donations but big user base |
| 12:07.41 | KotCzarny | once that happens, people and corpos will consider it worthy of attention |
| 12:07.45 | drathir | the same bad like become now with ubuntu in my opinion now... |
| 12:07.54 | drathir | one now* |
| 12:07.58 | KotCzarny | uses slackware |
| 12:08.13 | KotCzarny | since 4.0 |
| 12:08.26 | KotCzarny | tried all debian/rh based ones |
| 12:08.31 | drathir | KotCzarny: nice... |
| 12:08.40 | KotCzarny | they got too far from k.i.s.s. principle |
| 12:08.47 | KotCzarny | they got m$ |
| 12:08.53 | KotCzarny | m$ way |
| 12:09.00 | KotCzarny | 'we know, you don't' |
| 12:09.41 | drathir | sitting at arch, but only one alternative if arch goin really bad in decisions is openbsd... |
| 12:10.09 | KotCzarny | slackware is nice because it doesnt overcomplicate things, tries to get as much out of your way as possible |
| 12:10.38 | drathir | KotCzarny: slackware have systemd onboard? |
| 12:10.44 | KotCzarny | nope |
| 12:10.51 | KotCzarny | one of the few that don't |
| 12:10.57 | drathir | KotCzarny: thats good news... |
| 12:11.39 | drathir | i guess need to prepare vm for slacckware in near future... |
| 12:11.50 | KotCzarny | and slackware leader explicitily said it doesn't like systemd |
| 12:11.58 | drathir | KotCzarny: package manager/format rpm? |
| 12:12.09 | KotCzarny | txz |
| 12:12.12 | KotCzarny | tgz |
| 12:12.25 | drathir | O.o thats also good... |
| 12:12.28 | KotCzarny | package manager is there but i do things manually |
| 12:12.51 | drathir | wonder if pacman able to assimilate... |
| 12:13.14 | KotCzarny | you can even do rpm2tgz and install resultant package without caring about the deps |
| 12:13.48 | KotCzarny | it's really simple, but allows you to do interesting things without being policed by package manager |
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| 12:19.34 | KotCzarny | drathir, also, preparing your own packages is VERY simple |
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| 12:22.22 | drathir | KotCzarny: arch with aur is a really flexible things too... need to watch in action that os too... |
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| 12:38.36 | erlehmann | 504 Host tablets-dev.nokia.com lookup failed: Host not found |
| 12:38.39 | erlehmann | where do i get current image |
| 12:39.51 | erlehmann | here? http://www.jedge.com/n900/ |
| 12:40.03 | erlehmann | ~image |
| 12:40.03 | infobot | See 'iso' |
| 12:40.08 | erlehmann | ~iso |
| 12:40.08 | infobot | i guess iso is 20megs, but it has a complete secure web interface |
| 12:40.12 | erlehmann | wat |
| 12:40.14 | erlehmann | ~flash |
| 12:40.14 | infobot | it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 12:40.27 | erlehmann | ~flasher |
| 12:40.27 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 12:40.55 | KotCzarny | there are no flash images on maemo.org? |
| 12:41.03 | KotCzarny | is there some copyright issue? |
| 12:41.23 | KotCzarny | (luckily i have mine backed up) |
| 12:41.26 | erlehmann | ~RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:41.41 | KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1418219&postcount=13 |
| 12:42.20 | erlehmann | KotCzarny thx. do i need all of them? |
| 12:42.41 | KotCzarny | just the version you want |
| 12:42.54 | erlehmann | 5GB OPTFS Image: 5GB Optfs EMMC Modified Image what is that |
| 12:43.18 | KotCzarny | you can run some custom linux from mmc probably |
| 12:43.26 | bencoh | you prolly want the P3 1.3+EMMC image |
| 12:43.36 | KotCzarny | or modified for smaller /opt |
| 12:44.00 | bencoh | KotCzarny: larger /opt I guess |
| 12:44.11 | bencoh | ("5GB" ;) |
| 12:44.38 | KotCzarny | oh |
| 12:44.49 | KotCzarny | still, needs some howto probably |
| 12:45.00 | KotCzarny | and that firedrive is ugly |
| 12:45.07 | KotCzarny | ad infested |
| 12:45.17 | KotCzarny | so, why doesn't maemo.org host firmware images? |
| 12:45.26 | bencoh | there is an archive at archive.org |
| 12:45.27 | erlehmann | how do i download from firedrive o.0 |
| 12:47.11 | bencoh | oh, and |
| 12:47.18 | bencoh | ~flash |
| 12:47.18 | infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh |
| 12:47.31 | bencoh | see flash-it-all.sh (from Docs) ^ |
| 12:47.48 | bencoh | it should fetch everything iirc |
| 12:48.36 | bencoh | https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073524/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900 mirrors "everything" |
| 12:50.32 | erlehmann | enabling js on firedrive made my system load go up to >7 |
| 12:50.34 | erlehmann | not again |
| 12:50.59 | erlehmann | it is still >4 |
| 12:51.33 | KotCzarny | sorry for that, didnt check before pasting |
| 12:51.43 | bencoh | just fetch the images from archive.org :) |
| 12:51.45 | KotCzarny | all the ads got cut by my adblocker |
| 12:53.31 | erlehmann | i figured the scripts might start the download |
| 12:53.58 | KotCzarny | i have js enabled and cut ads by urls |
| 12:56.13 | erlehmann | thx bencoh |
| 12:57.04 | erlehmann | but there is no RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:57.59 | bencoh | hmmm ... true, I wonder why |
| 12:58.03 | bencoh | there is .42 though |
| 12:58.28 | erlehmann | i found some http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=88001#edit1298069 |
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| 12:59.31 | erlehmann | what is this eMMC thingy? |
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| 13:01.00 | bencoh | (strange, I cant download any file from this archive.org mirror at the moment) |
| 13:01.06 | erlehmann | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:02.42 | erlehmann | ; md5sum $home/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:02.42 | erlehmann | 095259c2380e894dc1d6a2999526ec9f /home/erlehmann/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 13:02.46 | erlehmann | is that correct? |
| 13:03.29 | erlehmann | so https://web.archive.org/web/20131117073522/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ |
| 13:04.17 | KotCzarny | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/ |
| 13:04.20 | KotCzarny | another source |
| 13:04.25 | bencoh | every link works from this one, funny |
| 13:04.41 | erlehmann | interesting |
| 13:04.56 | erlehmann | the point is my GF has no upgrade path to CSSU if this flashing thing does not work |
| 13:05.14 | bencoh | ? |
| 13:05.22 | bencoh | it should work alright |
| 13:05.23 | KotCzarny | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/MD5SUMS |
| 13:05.38 | bencoh | a lot of people recently flashed/upgraded to cssu recently |
| 13:06.05 | KotCzarny | bencoh: worth it? |
| 13:06.57 | erlehmann | bencoh can you give me the least misleading tutorial to that? |
| 13:07.20 | bencoh | KotCzarny: definitely |
| 13:07.54 | bencoh | erlehmann: I dunno about the least misleading, but the cssu page on the wiki looks fine |
| 13:07.59 | KotCzarny | biggest sell point? |
| 13:08.39 | bencoh | everything, from security updates (well ... it's still lagging, but it needs love and manpower :) to features |
| 13:08.55 | bencoh | and bugfixes |
| 13:09.09 | KotCzarny | stock still works for me |
| 13:09.30 | KotCzarny | is there some battery saving ? |
| 13:09.39 | KotCzarny | ie. more battery efficient |
| 13:10.38 | KotCzarny | sms/call log is stored on /home so it will be automatically transferred, right? |
| 13:12.04 | bencoh | KotCzarny: lots of memleak fixes and rewritten closed-source bits in cssu-t |
| 13:12.25 | erlehmann | bencoh can you tell me which application does the chat interface? |
| 13:12.35 | erlehmann | i need to insert one simple xmpp message |
| 13:12.42 | erlehmann | so it retrieves last 20 muc messages |
| 13:12.58 | bencoh | erlehmann: I'd look for rtcom-messaging-ui and telepathy |
| 13:13.13 | bencoh | (and related stuff) |
| 13:13.39 | erlehmann | ok |
| 13:14.55 | erlehmann | i have done an art http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/ |
| 13:16.08 | erlehmann | is writtin in js? https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait/source/38f1c4427b0cd32cf77f474f718299bfb3540abd:MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js |
| 13:16.38 | KotCzarny | widget(ui) might be |
| 13:17.07 | bencoh | erlehmann: as I told you yestarday, this is just part of the UI, and most of rtcom is closed |
| 13:17.20 | erlehmann | bencoh maybe i can hotpatch it |
| 13:17.48 | KotCzarny | replace packets on the go? |
| 13:18.00 | KotCzarny | edit binary and insert string? |
| 13:18.00 | erlehmann | no, patch the binary |
| 13:18.02 | erlehmann | yes |
| 13:18.18 | bencoh | I'd seriously doubt that, but depending on what you want/need the answer might lie elsewhere (telepathy for instance) |
| 13:19.44 | erlehmann | hmm, okay |
| 13:19.51 | erlehmann | it is only one xml stanza that needs to be sent |
| 13:20.07 | erlehmann | <history maxstanzas="20" since="2015-02-17T16:12:41Z" /> or something |
| 13:20.15 | erlehmann | i could shorten it |
| 13:20.29 | erlehmann | bencoh is telepathy for n900 open? |
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| 13:22.00 | erlehmann | i may have it |
| 13:25.24 | bencoh | it is |
| 13:25.34 | bencoh | most of it at least |
| 13:29.17 | erlehmann | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/source/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb:src/muc-channel.c |
| 13:31.00 | bencoh | dont ask me about xmpp, I know next to nothing (and dont really want to know :p) |
| 13:36.59 | erlehmann | i know a bit |
| 13:36.59 | erlehmann | but not about telepathy |
| 13:36.59 | erlehmann | bencoh in case i have a patch, can you test? |
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| 13:38.21 | bencoh | not really, no |
| 13:38.26 | bencoh | I dont even use jabber |
| 13:39.07 | erlehmann | telepathy-haze might work |
| 13:39.10 | erlehmann | installing it |
| 13:39.24 | bencoh | if you believe telepathy (or telepath-gabble) is broken you should check telepathy bugtracker and changelogs |
| 13:39.40 | bencoh | your issue might be fixed upstream |
| 13:39.48 | erlehmann | i do not believe it is broken |
| 13:39.58 | bencoh | broken, or missing a feature :) |
| 13:40.21 | erlehmann | yes |
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| 14:00.22 | erlehmann | bencoh i think i might be able to fix this |
| 14:00.28 | erlehmann | i need the cssu telepathy maintainer |
| 14:01.24 | merlin1991 | well |
| 14:01.50 | merlin1991 | looks like Pali worked on it |
| 14:02.28 | merlin1991 | but if you manage to fix it on your own just throw a MR against https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble and we'll make sure to include it |
| 14:02.49 | Pali | voice and video calls with gmail are broken because merlin1991 did not released new version of community ssu telepathy-gabble yet |
| 14:03.02 | merlin1991 | hides |
| 14:03.13 | erlehmann | oh, you both are here |
| 14:03.19 | erlehmann | i know nothing of the telepathy code |
| 14:03.28 | erlehmann | but can you two tell me how to send a simple stanza? |
| 14:03.32 | Pali | its fixed since Tuesday May 20 2014 |
| 14:03.36 | erlehmann | <history maxstanzas="20" since="2015-02-17T16:12:41Z" /> or something |
| 14:03.41 | merlin1991 | hides some more |
| 14:03.49 | erlehmann | if you send this, muc server responds with messages |
| 14:04.06 | Pali | you need to modify telepathy-gabble source code |
| 14:04.12 | erlehmann | i know |
| 14:04.17 | erlehmann | but the point is, how to send stanza |
| 14:04.19 | Pali | if you want to send your own xmpp stanza |
| 14:04.31 | erlehmann | i have the place where i need to put it |
| 14:04.31 | Pali | I do not know gabble source code as much... |
| 14:04.41 | erlehmann | in muc-channel.c |
| 14:04.42 | erlehmann | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/source/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb:src/muc-channel.c |
| 14:05.02 | Pali | merlin1991: instead being hidden, release new versio of telepathy-gabble now! :-) |
| 14:05.18 | bencoh | :° |
| 14:09.22 | erlehmann | merlin1991 can you help me? |
| 14:09.40 | merlin1991 | I never touched telepathy, sorry |
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| 14:14.48 | erlehmann | Pali merlin1991 i will now guess how to make patchings |
| 14:15.00 | Pali | ok |
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| 14:46.40 | erlehmann | ; git clone https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble.git |
| 14:46.41 | erlehmann | :3 |
| 14:57.57 | erlehmann | Pali merlin1991 this is the presence stanza i need to send <presence from='â¦' id='â¦' to='â¦'><x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc'><history maxstanzas="20"/></x></presence> |
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| 15:11.27 | bencoh | downloading from archive.org is painfully slow :/ |
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| 15:27.58 | Sicelo | Pali: you mean when the update is released we will again be able to use video/audio for GTalk? Since gtalk became Hangouts (unless i'm mistaken) does it mean i can call those users? |
| 15:28.52 | Pali | no with hangouts but with gmail web plugin |
| 15:29.01 | Pali | that old one |
| 15:29.32 | Sicelo | ok. no idea about that plugin. will look |
| 15:34.26 | erlehmann | Pali merlin1991 i think i got it! |
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| 15:45.38 | erlehmann | Pali merlin1991 http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-muc-history.c |
| 15:46.17 | erlehmann | Pali merlin1991 can you merge that into muc-channel.c and make sure it is called when joining a channel? |
| 15:46.44 | erlehmann | i have not run the code in question. |
| 15:46.53 | erlehmann | as i have no idea to build this stuff |
| 15:47.02 | erlehmann | but i am reasonably certain that it should work |
| 15:47.45 | bencoh | have you fetched the sb vm ? |
| 15:47.57 | erlehmann | the what? |
| 15:48.04 | erlehmann | give url |
| 15:48.09 | bencoh | ~sb |
| 15:48.09 | infobot | [scratchbox] a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 15:48.12 | bencoh | second link |
| 15:48.20 | erlehmann | i need to clean dishes soon. |
| 15:49.17 | erlehmann | > - Estimated size: 5.5GB (normal) and 1.3GB (compressed - 7zip format) |
| 15:49.21 | erlehmann | i have not much space! |
| 15:49.44 | erlehmann | not that much |
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| 15:50.22 | erlehmann | bencoh i would be happy if Pali or merlin1991 could merge this function as users could enjoy muc history then! |
| 15:50.53 | erlehmann | yeah and maybe it is of stupid |
| 15:51.05 | erlehmann | after all, âconst gchar *stanzasâ enables you to say maxstanzas="bread" |
| 15:51.18 | erlehmann | but i think the maxstanzas value will be hardcoded regardless |
| 15:51.22 | erlehmann | just somewhere else |
| 15:52.01 | stryngs | erlehmann: http://termbin.com/x1xl |
| 15:52.03 | stryngs | flexes |
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| 15:53.24 | erlehmann | stryngs can you test my patch? |
| 15:53.31 | erlehmann | or rather, my function. |
| 15:53.35 | stryngs | such as? |
| 15:54.02 | erlehmann | http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-muc-history.c |
| 15:54.35 | bencoh | erlehmann: they'll eventually merge it (probably ... I guess :p) if you provide them with a working patch :) |
| 15:54.48 | bencoh | but you still need to test it |
| 15:54.50 | erlehmann | bencoh i do not know where to call the function |
| 15:54.51 | stryngs | how do u want me to patch it? What is it for? |
| 15:55.08 | erlehmann | stryngs it is for telepathy-gabble a function that enables history upon joining MUC |
| 15:55.20 | stryngs | MUC |
| 15:55.22 | stryngs | ? |
| 15:55.36 | bencoh | erlehmann: they probably dont either |
| 15:56.01 | erlehmann | bencoh i will find out |
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| 15:57.21 | erlehmann | in #telepathy someone told me i misunderstood everything! |
| 15:58.19 | erlehmann | <ramcq> erlehmann: you've misunderstood the protocol slightly; this <x><history>... thing is not a history message by itself, it's metadata which is included in the <presence> message which XMPP uses to join the MUC |
| 15:58.19 | erlehmann | <ramcq> erlehmann: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-managehistory "This is accomplished by including a <history/> child in the initial presence stanza sent when joining the room." |
| 15:58.19 | erlehmann | <ramcq> erlehmann: so it shouldn't be its own function, it should be a modification to whatever function already makes and sends that <presence> to join the room |
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| 16:04.15 | erlehmann | ha |
| 16:04.26 | erlehmann | according to this dbus-monitor, n900 is just ignoring history. |
| 16:04.34 | KotCzarny | hehe |
| 16:05.01 | erlehmann | da fuq |
| 16:05.24 | erlehmann | so i wrote a useless patch |
| 16:05.44 | KotCzarny | now you have to unignore history |
| 16:05.54 | erlehmann | how |
| 16:06.00 | bencoh | how do you know ? |
| 16:06.21 | Sicelo | what ramcq said seems to be in line with the spec you have in your patch .. example 38 |
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| 16:07.30 | erlehmann | oh lel |
| 16:07.54 | erlehmann | muc_factory_message_cb is selectively ignoring ._. |
| 16:08.54 | Sicelo | erlehmann: i have a jabber account .. what is an MUC that i can join? last joined one maybe 4 years ago :D |
| 16:10.08 | erlehmann | sicelo, maemo@conference.jabber.ccc.de |
| 16:10.19 | Sicelo | cool. let me |
| 16:11.37 | erlehmann | i think i have a one line workaround |
| 16:11.45 | Wizzup | win 31 |
| 16:11.47 | Wizzup | oops. |
| 16:12.31 | erlehmann | Sicelo write something in muc |
| 16:12.34 | erlehmann | i need to test this |
| 16:13.11 | KotCzarny | join with jabber or pidgin and test |
| 16:13.12 | KotCzarny | :) |
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| 16:22.51 | erlehmann | lel |
| 16:25.21 | erlehmann | in muc-channel.c |
| 16:25.25 | erlehmann | search for /* Ignore messages from the channel. |
| 16:25.55 | erlehmann | beautiful |
| 16:26.47 | KotCzarny | castrated-in-yet-another-place? |
| 16:27.32 | erlehmann | may it be that the history messages come from the channel? |
| 16:28.17 | KotCzarny | if you get debug messages "ignoring message from muc" then yes |
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| 16:30.10 | erlehmann | i would suggest to delete the offending code |
| 16:30.31 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.31 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.31 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.31 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.31 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.55 | erlehmann | the comment above it even remarks on this |
| 16:31.03 | erlehmann | that they have never seen useful messages etc. pp. |
| 16:31.15 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.15 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.15 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.15 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.18 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.49 | KotCzarny | remove, recompile, test |
| 16:32.33 | erlehmann | ah https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27913 |
| 16:32.34 | povbot | 04Bug 27913: was not found. |
| 16:33.56 | erlehmann | funneh |
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| 16:41.25 | erlehmann | reading MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js now |
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| 16:49.11 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.11 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.11 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.18 | erlehmann | i will send mail |
| 16:51.07 | bencoh | err |
| 16:51.25 | erlehmann | <fledermaus> I don't know that that address will still be any good... |
| 16:51.37 | erlehmann | bencoh according to source code, naba kumar wrote at least parts of rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 16:51.39 | KotCzarny | still, emails are free |
| 16:52.07 | erlehmann | https://fi.linkedin.com/in/nabakumar |
| 16:52.50 | erlehmann | https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Anjuta/Team#line-8 |
| 16:55.06 | erlehmann | I have a N900 phone; history messages are not shown upon entering an |
| 16:55.06 | erlehmann | Jabber multi user chat. As you seem to have written at least part of |
| 16:55.06 | erlehmann | rtcom-messaging-ui, could you tell me if the application receives the |
| 16:55.06 | erlehmann | messages and is just not displaying it or if the error lies deeper in |
| 16:55.06 | erlehmann | the stack? |
| 16:55.10 | erlehmann | is that a good message? |
| 16:56.04 | bencoh | I wouldnt expect much, but ... |
| 16:56.10 | bencoh | 17:51 < KotCzarny> still, emails are free |
| 16:56.13 | bencoh | :) |
| 17:03.51 | erlehmann | i am also asking for source code |
| 17:04.00 | merlin1991 | erlehmann: I'd let that slide |
| 17:04.08 | erlehmann | merlin1991 what? |
| 17:04.15 | merlin1991 | asking for source |
| 17:04.19 | merlin1991 | there's not much point |
| 17:04.28 | merlin1991 | we kept pestering nokia for some time about all source |
| 17:04.32 | stryngs | Emails are free? Damn, AOL been ripping me off! |
| 17:04.47 | bencoh | :D |
| 17:04.49 | stryngs | What are ya'll paying per hour? |
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| 17:05.00 | erlehmann | merlin1991 even if he has not source code, sometimes there can be useful information |
| 17:05.26 | erlehmann | i once re-implemented parts of a proprietary application because the author was so nice and gave me the header files |
| 17:05.32 | erlehmann | for, err, study |
| 17:05.46 | erlehmann | my reimplementation was online faster than his original was in the app store :D |
| 17:05.58 | erlehmann | (i am talking about libglitch) |
| 17:07.06 | KotCzarny | lol, i just made pygtk segfault |
| 17:07.26 | erlehmann | how |
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| 17:07.47 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.47 | KotCzarny | ./oscp-remote.py:204: Warning: g_object_get_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 17:07.47 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.47 | erlehmann | <naba.kumar@nokia.com>: host demumfd001.nsn-inter.net[93.183.12.32] said: 550 |
| 17:07.47 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.47 | KotCzarny | ./oscp-remote.py:204: Warning: g_type_get_qdata: assertion `node != NULL' failed |
| 17:07.47 | KotCzarny | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.47 | KotCzarny | Segmentation fault |
| 17:08.30 | bencoh | erlehmann: is that a surprise to you ? :)) |
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| 17:08.53 | bencoh | he seems to be an opensource developper, he prolly has a real mail address around |
| 17:09.13 | KotCzarny | most likely he wont be able to fix the problem tho |
| 17:09.21 | bencoh | yeah |
| 17:09.42 | erlehmann | he has written the js parts of rtcom-messaging-ui |
| 17:09.50 | erlehmann | or at least he claims in source code ;) |
| 17:10.06 | erlehmann | this thing renders a buffer |
| 17:10.07 | bencoh | erlehmann: how do you know you receive the history and rtcom-messaging-ui just ignore it ? |
| 17:10.12 | bencoh | (you mentionned dbus-monitor) |
| 17:10.24 | erlehmann | bencoh dbus monitor shows the messages of type scrollback! |
| 17:10.32 | erlehmann | start dbus monitor |
| 17:10.37 | erlehmann | join a MUC |
| 17:10.46 | erlehmann | you will see the messages on dbus |
| 17:11.20 | bencoh | oh |
| 17:11.32 | bencoh | so no need to patch telepathy-gabble ? |
| 17:11.35 | erlehmann | indeed |
| 17:11.36 | erlehmann | unless |
| 17:11.38 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.38 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.40 | erlehmann | this we could remove |
| 17:11.52 | bencoh | removing that is a kludge |
| 17:12.45 | erlehmann | yeah, but i see no other option, unless i can ⦠wait. |
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| 17:23.03 | erlehmann | i'll try naba@gnome.org |
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| 18:00.41 | KotCzarny | ha!, squashed big bug |
| 18:00.43 | KotCzarny | i love it |
| 18:02.19 | erlehmann | which one? |
| 18:02.52 | erlehmann | KotCzarny show and tell |
| 18:07.21 | KotCzarny | in oscp-remote.py |
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| 18:07.36 | kong | Hi! |
| 18:07.46 | KotCzarny | earlier when core closed the connection remote went into 100% cpu loop |
| 18:09.27 | kong | My nokia n900 usb port is broken, i tryed to fix that using soldering iron. just mad it hot hopefully the connections getting fixed, now it looks like it works fine but i kept battery loading about 24h it stuck at ~75%! but it shows that its still loading |
| 18:09.37 | kong | is my battery damaged or still usb port failure? |
| 18:10.12 | KotCzarny | grab the multimeter and check for shorts? |
| 18:10.47 | KotCzarny | hmm, or maybe not, if there would be a short it would fry |
| 18:10.57 | kong | would not the loading cable get hot on short |
| 18:10.59 | kong | ^^ |
| 18:11.18 | KotCzarny | have you tried to turn it off and on again? |
| 18:11.19 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:11.26 | kong | the orange led shows normal loading status |
| 18:11.30 | kong | but is never green |
| 18:11.43 | KotCzarny | does it fade in/out or jsut stays lit? |
| 18:12.12 | kong | in/out |
| 18:12.14 | KotCzarny | my n900 sometimes gets confused and lits orange no matter if i charge or not |
| 18:12.56 | KotCzarny | i can generically hint you to discharge device fully then try to charge back |
| 18:13.57 | kong | ok |
| 18:13.59 | kong | thx |
| 18:14.25 | KotCzarny | or not fully, 10% and try to charge back |
| 18:14.43 | KotCzarny | also, install batteryeye |
| 18:14.57 | KotCzarny | it will give you nice details battery/charge wise |
| 18:15.11 | KotCzarny | battery-eye |
| 18:15.34 | kong | good idea ^^ thx |
| 18:23.35 | kong | im not sure, but cant me just take informations like in battery-eye using at commands? |
| 18:23.40 | kong | pnatd |
| 18:24.03 | KotCzarny | maybe, but battery-eye gives you nice graphs too |
| 18:24.33 | kong | ok. programm manager already loading :- ) |
| 18:24.48 | KotCzarny | also, install fast application manager |
| 18:24.49 | KotCzarny | ;) |
| 18:24.55 | KotCzarny | if you didnt already |
| 18:25.16 | Sicelo | fapman you mean? |
| 18:25.24 | Sicelo | ~fapman |
| 18:25.24 | infobot | rumour has it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam |
| 18:25.24 | KotCzarny | yup |
| 18:25.49 | KotCzarny | O.o |
| 18:26.16 | KotCzarny | oh well |
| 18:26.20 | kong | yea, well! |
| 18:26.47 | KotCzarny | sicelo: is there any other application manager recommended nowadays? |
| 18:27.02 | KotCzarny | (luckily i havent had such problem with fam yet) |
| 18:27.29 | kong | is there already a working app for front camera? |
| 18:27.48 | kong | or something like pc-webcam? |
| 18:28.11 | Sicelo | HAM :) |
| 18:28.17 | KotCzarny | ham? |
| 18:28.27 | Sicelo | the stock one, in short |
| 18:28.30 | kong | i wrote a c++ app for detecting faces using opencv from webcam pictures |
| 18:28.55 | Sicelo | there's a 'faster' version ... forgot its name .. merlin1991 has it it his repo |
| 18:28.56 | KotCzarny | i think in stock fremantle you can just use /dev/video0 or video1 |
| 18:29.15 | KotCzarny | and grab one frame using v4l2 api |
| 18:29.35 | kong | i want a app to take selfies :D |
| 18:29.48 | merlin1991 | ~speedyham |
| 18:29.48 | infobot | i guess speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 18:29.54 | KotCzarny | sicelo: so, no hopes? will i be stuck with apt-get and dpkg? |
| 18:30.20 | KotCzarny | merlin1991: is it available for stock fremantle? |
| 18:30.43 | merlin1991 | Probably not |
| 18:30.48 | KotCzarny | pity |
| 18:31.03 | kong | there is no fapman in my list |
| 18:31.24 | KotCzarny | kong, apparently its not safe to use |
| 18:31.38 | KotCzarny | heh, havent touched n900 since 2009 |
| 18:31.39 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 18:31.54 | kong | i love that phone |
| 18:31.59 | KotCzarny | :) |
| 18:32.04 | kong | streaming movies to raspberry from it |
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| 18:52.12 | kong | time server on n900 also not working! do anybody know where i could change it? |
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| 18:52.49 | Sicelo | intall openntpd or ntpdate (not in repos however) |
| 18:54.55 | kerio | time server? |
| 18:55.29 | kong | when i change in settings to "auto get time from internet" nothing happen, time keeps wrong |
| 18:55.30 | KotCzarny | fellow coders, i've learnt new lesson today, never ever call close(0) without dup2'ing it into /dev/null first |
| 18:55.51 | KotCzarny | kong, grab ntpdate binary from debian-armel |
| 18:56.01 | KotCzarny | then add to cron or something |
| 18:56.09 | kong | i dont understand! |
| 18:56.36 | kerio | KotCzarny: why not |
| 18:56.41 | kerio | if you're done reading... |
| 18:57.10 | KotCzarny | kerio, because if you ever open any file it will become descriptor 0 |
| 18:57.20 | KotCzarny | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/288062/is-close-fclose-on-stdin-guaranteed-to-be-correct |
| 18:57.21 | kerio | oh lol |
| 18:58.04 | KotCzarny | scroll to 'bad things happen' part |
| 18:58.08 | kerio | yeah yeah |
| 18:58.20 | kerio | actually, is that POSIX mandated behaviour? |
| 18:58.40 | kerio | or just behaviour that would break things if changed |
| 18:58.43 | KotCzarny | becoming descriptor 0? it's just code 'grab first available' |
| 18:58.52 | kerio | because i can't really think of a reason to just skip the first three descriptors |
| 18:59.15 | KotCzarny | kerio, daemonizing |
| 18:59.20 | KotCzarny | for one example |
| 18:59.58 | kerio | you can always dup() to get the file descriptor you want manually, i dunno |
| 19:00.07 | kerio | maybe i don't understand linux enough |
| 19:00.20 | KotCzarny | kerio, i just got burned by hardcoding descriptor 0 |
| 19:00.33 | kerio | well, that's stdin :> |
| 19:00.51 | KotCzarny | because fileno(stdin) returns 0 even if you close(0) before |
| 19:01.18 | KotCzarny | but if i close(0) then open listening socket it becomes descriptor 0 |
| 19:02.04 | KotCzarny | then if you have code that assumes 0 is stdin and tries to get key from it.. |
| 19:02.18 | KotCzarny | anyway, new day, new knowledge |
| 19:03.16 | kong | fast-application-manager says: some packages have unmet dependencies :D |
| 19:03.29 | kerio | fapman is unsupported |
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| 19:08.25 | bencoh | KotCzarny: fun bug :) |
| 19:08.51 | KotCzarny | bencoh, yeah.. trying to add daemonizing option to the interactive program |
| 19:10.48 | KotCzarny | so, proper fix, instead of close(0); one shall use: int fd = open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY); dup2(fd, 0); close(fd); |
| 19:13.28 | KotCzarny | similar fun with stdout and stderr |
| 19:14.22 | KotCzarny | if you close(1) then have some socket bind to fdesc 1, then you have forgotten printf, it will output to that socket |
| 19:14.30 | KotCzarny | yay for /dev/null! |
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| 20:56.35 | stryngs | Anyone have knowledge of bpf with maemo? |
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| 21:06.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hi all. I have a few issues and was going to report bugs. problem is i'm not sure which components are free/can have bugs reported and which aren't. is there a canonical list where i can check? |
| 21:10.33 | stryngs | Pali: ping? |
| 21:10.42 | Pali | stryngs: pong |
| 21:10.53 | stryngs | Pali: bpf, it seems the kernel was not created with it in mind |
| 21:11.02 | stryngs | trying to do some packet sniffing and injection |
| 21:11.09 | Pali | which kernel? |
| 21:11.14 | KotCzarny | isnt it bsd thing? |
| 21:11.24 | KotCzarny | ie. linux does iptables |
| 21:11.30 | stryngs | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power53 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 10 13:52:39 UTC 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 21:11.52 | stryngs | But in the code for packit, there is: |
| 21:11.53 | stryngs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.54 | stryngs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.56 | Pali | sys_bpf() call was added to arm only now (3.19) |
| 21:12.09 | stryngs | So, in laymans terms, not possible with n900? |
| 21:12.17 | Pali | or it was ebpf call? |
| 21:12.19 | Pali | do not rememebr |
| 21:13.02 | KotCzarny | poh well, it's late, time to run before i say more stupid things |
| 21:13.07 | stryngs | Pali: I take it, it's not possible on the n900 then? |
| 21:13.22 | stryngs | Pali: Trying to make this a packet sniffer that greps for a given GET, and then injects =) |
| 21:13.40 | stryngs | But most pre-written softwares die on the n900 with the filtering not working, and it works beautifully on a laptop |
| 21:15.25 | Pali | check kernel power defconfig |
| 21:15.38 | Pali | maybe your needed option is just disabled |
| 21:15.57 | Pali | I do not know if it is possible on n900 with kernel power |
| 21:16.15 | stryngs | kernel power defconfig doesn't work |
| 21:16.21 | stryngs | i have kernel-config |
| 21:16.28 | stryngs | and kernel-load |
| 21:16.39 | Pali | defconfig is kernel compile-time config file |
| 21:16.49 | Pali | nothing related to kernel-load and etc |
| 21:17.04 | stryngs | is this going to be in the kp .deb file? |
| 21:17.17 | stryngs | Plz bear with, I am NOT a kernel person by ANY means or stretch of the imagination |
| 21:17.17 | Pali | do not know |
| 21:17.20 | stryngs | Oh |
| 21:17.27 | Pali | check /proc/config.gz |
| 21:17.30 | Pali | or /proc/config |
| 21:17.57 | stryngs | doesnt exist =) |
| 21:17.57 | Pali | if not, you need to download sources and check it here |
| 21:18.00 | stryngs | looked there a while ago |
| 21:18.03 | stryngs | Ah |
| 21:18.10 | stryngs | So your're saying I might could enable it |
| 21:18.27 | Pali | first you need to know what to enable |
| 21:18.48 | Pali | try to find on internet why your function fails |
| 21:19.07 | Pali | if it depends on some kernel feature CONFIG_<my_something> |
| 21:19.07 | stryngs | All i've got is the sourcecode, google failed me |
| 21:19.25 | Pali | then this can be enabled/disabled at compile time |
| 21:19.50 | stryngs | Are there a list of available flags to throw in the file? |
| 21:20.15 | Pali | rx51_defconfig is filename in kernel-power source code |
| 21:20.27 | Pali | and each CONFIG is either enabled or commented |
| 21:21.01 | stryngs | looking here, yes? http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-source/ |
| 21:21.06 | stryngs | not /kernel-power |
| 21:21.56 | Pali | its ok |
| 21:22.00 | stryngs | as in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ |
| 21:22.01 | Pali | unpack it and see |
| 21:22.05 | stryngs | k |
| 21:22.09 | stryngs | just nervous pali =) |
| 21:22.12 | stryngs | It's my only n900 |
| 21:22.17 | stryngs | hate messing with this low level stuff |
| 21:22.22 | stryngs | but if i can fix it, ill try |
| 21:22.45 | stryngs | no dsc or tarball |
| 21:22.51 | stryngs | ill just unpack .deb, eh? |
| 21:22.56 | Pali | yes |
| 21:23.11 | Sicelo | you have working USB port? flasher can load the resulting kernel & boot it without flashing, so you will be fine :) |
| 21:23.16 | Pali | and then unpack <path_to_unpacked_deb>/usr/src/kernel-power-source-2.6.28.10-power53.tar.bz2 |
| 21:23.50 | stryngs | Sicelo: Even with my funky ass mounting? |
| 21:23.56 | stryngs | This is exciting =) |
| 21:24.05 | Pali | then look into file kernel-power/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig |
| 21:24.12 | Pali | this is that defconfig file ^^^ |
| 21:24.23 | stryngs | dloading now =) |
| 21:24.31 | stryngs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.32 | stryngs | =) |
| 21:24.38 | stryngs | Good ole t-moble |
| 21:24.59 | Pali | ok, thats all from me now |
| 21:25.01 | Pali | bye |
| 21:25.07 | stryngs | thanks pali =) |
| 21:25.10 | stryngs | MUCH obliged |
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| 23:37.35 | bencoh | Kamping_Kaiser: if you have some issue please do tell us about it (here and/on or talk.maemo.org) if you're not sure where to report it :) |
| 23:41.25 | kong | re, battery full and led is green :) |