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| 06:00.42 | KotCzarny | is there a way to have n800 reconnect wifi automatically? |
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| 06:14.01 | KotCzarny | nvm, found it |
| 06:15.54 | erlehmann | KotCzarny show and tell? |
| 06:16.30 | KotCzarny | just forgot about 'connect automatically' slider in 'connection settings' |
| 06:17.01 | KotCzarny | i've set it to 'wlan', will test when my crappy router reboots sometime today |
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| 08:50.47 | KotCzarny | stupid castrated maemo. eh. |
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| 09:34.16 | KotCzarny | anyone here knows graham cobb? |
| 09:36.10 | uhhimhere | is he that guy on tv? |
| 09:36.29 | KotCzarny | nope, the guy that hacked libesd into maemo5 |
| 09:36.48 | uhhimhere | im pretty sure he's the guy on tv |
| 09:36.59 | uhhimhere | oh wait thats heather graham |
| 09:42.15 | bencoh | :] |
| 09:43.36 | KotCzarny | so, anyone been able to use esd on n900? |
| 09:47.25 | bencoh | does the esd daemon run ? |
| 09:47.53 | KotCzarny | well, i start esdcompat wrapper |
| 09:47.58 | KotCzarny | it creates socket |
| 09:48.03 | bencoh | hmm |
| 09:48.11 | bencoh | oh, right, that |
| 09:48.12 | KotCzarny | esdcat connects to it but says 'no device' or something |
| 09:51.28 | KotCzarny | strace says it fails with mmap |
| 09:51.33 | KotCzarny | mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40020000 |
| 09:51.34 | KotCzarny | write(1, "WARNING: sound not available", 28WARNING: sound not available) = 28 |
| 09:52.21 | KotCzarny | or maybe not |
| 09:54.03 | KotCzarny | hmm |
| 09:54.08 | KotCzarny | now it works |
| 09:58.20 | KotCzarny | wooo |
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| 10:45.56 | xorly | KotCzarny: that is probably why I can't make your player to produce any sound on my alsa only system unning on N900 |
| 10:49.48 | KotCzarny | xorly: i got it working |
| 10:50.01 | KotCzarny | just finishing error handling and will upload new build |
| 10:52.51 | KotCzarny | ahm, your system has alsa and not pulseaudio? |
| 11:01.53 | KotCzarny | so many audio systems to compile in, alsa, esd, pulseaudio |
| 11:02.11 | KotCzarny | why couldnt they keep to oss or alsa only, </rant> |
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| 11:03.17 | KotCzarny | xorly, if you have a bit of time, i might ask you to test one thing (putting: default_driver=esd into ~/.libao |
| 11:04.16 | xorly | whoops, sory, I have alsa only |
| 11:05.12 | xorly | you mean just# echo "default_driver=esd" >> ~/.libao ? |
| 11:05.12 | KotCzarny | but you have installed libesd, maybe it will 'just work' |
| 11:05.22 | KotCzarny | yeah |
| 11:05.54 | KotCzarny | another possibility will be putting oss instead of esd in that file |
| 11:06.07 | KotCzarny | assuming you have oss modules for alsa loaded/handy |
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| 11:09.16 | KotCzarny | though for esd you might have to run esound daemon too, if it's debian or something |
| 11:12.17 | xorly | KotCzarny: give me a second, I'll compile it |
| 11:12.37 | KotCzarny | k |
| 11:15.06 | Vajb | im still puzzled with bme replacement. CI:0. Last measured discharge 1450mah. Applet shows 1297mah. What happened to 200mah? Is it saved as some just to be on safe side stuff or what? |
| 11:16.01 | KotCzarny | mayb 1297 is the max in software |
| 11:16.25 | KotCzarny | measured discharge could differ from the one stored in battery |
| 11:16.54 | KotCzarny | remembers discharging thinkpad batteries while battery showing 0mAh |
| 11:17.00 | KotCzarny | for 5-15min |
| 11:17.23 | KotCzarny | could be that you are discharging battery too deep |
| 11:26.26 | KotCzarny | the heck |
| 11:26.50 | KotCzarny | decoding thread takes 7% of cpu, pulseudio.. 91%... |
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| 11:27.20 | KotCzarny | that's stupid.. |
| 11:28.42 | bencoh | haha |
| 11:31.29 | KotCzarny | ffs, whoever wrote the code forgot about select, i see bazilions of polls via strace |
| 11:34.46 | bencoh | there's prolly no difference regarding this |
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| 11:35.10 | KotCzarny | you can react to things in select more intelligently |
| 11:35.53 | bencoh | it's roughly the same, what you really need is an event-driven design |
| 11:37.27 | xorly | ok, I have esd installed and deamon is running, any idea how to test it? |
| 11:37.42 | KotCzarny | xorly: esdcat or esdplay |
| 11:37.52 | KotCzarny | with esdcat just use any short file |
| 11:38.03 | KotCzarny | ~30kB of noise will do |
| 11:38.12 | KotCzarny | esdplay uses wavs |
| 11:39.13 | KotCzarny | bencoh: you can sleep indifinetely with select and still get instant event response |
| 11:39.57 | bencoh | you mean, timeout=0 ? you can do that with poll() as well |
| 11:40.08 | bencoh | err, -1 |
| 11:40.22 | KotCzarny | hmm, a bit better, now decode thread eats 17% and pulseaudio eats 17% too |
| 11:40.27 | bencoh | (-1 in poll) |
| 11:44.33 | ShadowJK | poll is mostly same as select |
| 11:45.06 | KotCzarny | still, esdcompat goes nuts when i try to fork it with stdout closed |
| 11:46.23 | KotCzarny | k, fixed that |
| 11:46.55 | KotCzarny | that pulseaudio thing is fun killer |
| 11:47.19 | KotCzarny | eating almost 20% cpu just by playing regular audio |
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| 12:57.57 | KotCzarny | oh, right, that 18% is at 250mhz clock |
| 12:58.01 | KotCzarny | so, not that bad |
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| 15:17.43 | wnd | personally I can't think of anything positive to say about pulseaudio |
| 15:18.46 | wnd | never caused me anything but trouble |
| 15:20.04 | wnd | ate my n900 battery a few times, the only device on which I have that abomination installed |
| 15:22.25 | ecc3g | pulseaudio works fine for most other people however... and finally works fine on my PA-enabled desktops... |
| 15:40.12 | sixwheeledbeast | generally when it come to N900 and audio I have more issues with the tracker than anything else. |
| 15:43.33 | bencoh | tracker .... bleh |
| 15:47.06 | KotCzarny | mm? |
| 15:48.17 | KotCzarny | i liked the idea of libao, one lib to rule them all |
| 15:50.55 | KotCzarny | pity it's not installed by default on n8x0 |
| 15:53.48 | KotCzarny | still, right now my app works with n8x0 and n900 |
| 15:54.23 | KotCzarny | what else shall it support? |
| 15:55.09 | KotCzarny | theoretically it can even work on 770, but i dont have one to test |
| 15:56.43 | KotCzarny | (not to mention it would require recompilation, but still, could work) |
| 15:59.51 | bencoh | KotCzarny: make a debian source package and upload to extras ! :) |
| 16:00.09 | KotCzarny | that would be problematic |
| 16:00.16 | bencoh | why ? |
| 16:00.17 | KotCzarny | idea was to be FREE of deps |
| 16:00.27 | bencoh | and ? |
| 16:00.28 | KotCzarny | ie. it links to several libs |
| 16:00.35 | KotCzarny | but i linked them statically |
| 16:00.43 | bencoh | bleh :) |
| 16:00.46 | KotCzarny | so it works without sucking hundreds of megs of deps |
| 16:00.49 | bencoh | that's not "free of deps" |
| 16:01.02 | KotCzarny | free in the sense you wont have to download anything else from repos |
| 16:01.04 | KotCzarny | almost |
| 16:01.18 | KotCzarny | imagine playing ANY audio file |
| 16:01.19 | bencoh | anyway, if it's kewl, you can still make a package out of it |
| 16:01.24 | KotCzarny | sure |
| 16:01.33 | KotCzarny | will do once it reaches beta quality |
| 16:01.36 | bencoh | people prolly have most of those libs already installed anyway |
| 16:01.36 | bencoh | :) |
| 16:01.40 | KotCzarny | ie. gets tested by other people |
| 16:01.51 | KotCzarny | bencoh: seen my libs list? |
| 16:02.01 | bencoh | hmm, yeah, ok, some of those :) |
| 16:02.33 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kUCZZu7P |
| 16:02.49 | KotCzarny | and those are only media libs |
| 16:03.36 | KotCzarny | also, i've patched few of them to be able to use them |
| 16:03.54 | KotCzarny | most notably sidplay, ao and uade2 |
| 16:04.19 | KotCzarny | so i would need to include modified sources for them in pkg |
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| 18:01.15 | KotCzarny | wth is osso-addressbook |
| 18:01.30 | KotCzarny | and why is it running without my consent |
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| 18:04.55 | KotCzarny | is there any similar way to n800's '.nomedia' to mark dirs i do not want to be scanne automatically? |
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| 18:11.28 | KotCzarny | tracker-cfg, woo |
| 18:11.56 | bencoh | osso-addressbook is Contacts, iirc |
| 18:11.59 | bencoh | it's prelaunched |
| 18:13.04 | KotCzarny | bencoh: why did it launch when tracker launched when i copied few zips ontoo device? |
| 18:14.20 | bencoh | wtf |
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| 18:16.57 | Melissa_ | Is it normal that my n900 is so slow that I can't browse the web on it? |
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| 18:19.41 | KotCzarny | melissa: can you launch xterm and run 'top' ? |
| 18:19.50 | KotCzarny | then see which app eats cpu |
| 18:20.25 | KotCzarny | but keep in mind sites are packed with flash/javascript nowadays, so disabling flash/ads would be preferred |
| 18:20.26 | freemangordon | Melissa_: also, post the output of "free" command in xterm |
| 18:20.56 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: unfortunately adblock on n900 does more harm than good :( |
| 18:21.03 | bencoh | unfortunately you cant "disable ads" on n900 |
| 18:21.10 | bencoh | heh :) |
| 18:21.18 | KotCzarny | freemangordon, bencoh: i've written my own c-proxy |
| 18:21.25 | KotCzarny | lightweight and cuts most ads |
| 18:21.30 | bencoh | oh |
| 18:21.44 | KotCzarny | those that punch through are usually domains in the pattern jkljlkajalk.com |
| 18:21.49 | KotCzarny | but i add them as i go |
| 18:22.16 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: is it integrated with microb or is standalone application? |
| 18:22.42 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: its standalone proxy, ~200kb, pure c |
| 18:22.43 | freemangordon | BTW, how hard is to rewrite adblock with something else, not js? |
| 18:23.10 | KotCzarny | handles http, https and ftp |
| 18:23.26 | bencoh | KotCzarny: please do share :) |
| 18:23.36 | bencoh | does it run on your server or on your n900 ? |
| 18:23.44 | freemangordon | I mean, I can write very very fast code in c/++ for domain matching, but miss the info on the glue with gecko |
| 18:23.50 | KotCzarny | bencoh: pure c, you can compile it anywhere |
| 18:24.12 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i use shell matching available in libc already |
| 18:24.21 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: can't it get the domain info from adblock servers? |
| 18:24.34 | KotCzarny | you can write some converter i guee |
| 18:24.38 | KotCzarny | *guess |
| 18:24.43 | bencoh | freemangordon: I know mozilla has some builtin "policy" rules, not sure you can use that |
| 18:24.50 | bencoh | I think noscript uses it, somehow |
| 18:25.02 | KotCzarny | using adblock lists would require using perl regexp lib |
| 18:25.02 | bencoh | but you can at least see what they do there, maybe |
| 18:25.21 | bencoh | KotCzarny: yeah but where do you run it ? :) |
| 18:25.33 | freemangordon | KotCzarny: well, I guess a hash table or somesuch, esp optimized for domain matching will beat the standard functions :) |
| 18:25.36 | KotCzarny | bencoh: i compiled it for windoze and linux |
| 18:25.44 | KotCzarny | when im at home i use the one on my router |
| 18:25.57 | KotCzarny | when im roaming i just launch one locally |
| 18:26.25 | KotCzarny | freemangordon: i tell you, ad*.com grabs many |
| 18:26.30 | bencoh | :)) |
| 18:26.40 | bencoh | ad*.com seems quite greedy |
| 18:26.54 | KotCzarny | you can add ~addidas.com in the list to make exclusions |
| 18:26.58 | KotCzarny | etc |
| 18:27.02 | bencoh | admin*.com would match ;) |
| 18:27.13 | KotCzarny | add ~admin*.com, done |
| 18:27.18 | bencoh | huhu |
| 18:27.45 | KotCzarny | and it doesnt need to be restarted as it watches the block file |
| 18:27.47 | freemangordon | qt has regexp matching |
| 18:27.52 | KotCzarny | qt is heavy |
| 18:28.01 | freemangordon | core is not that much |
| 18:28.07 | freemangordon | qtcore that is |
| 18:28.10 | KotCzarny | im talking about something that i ran on my linksys (200mhz mips) |
| 18:28.12 | bencoh | libc has regex as well |
| 18:28.25 | freemangordon | I am talking about n900 :) |
| 18:28.37 | KotCzarny | n900 need cpu power for rendering sites ;) |
| 18:28.45 | bencoh | we can use REG_EXTENDED |
| 18:29.19 | freemangordon | yep, but matchin how much? 10000 sites? should be not that heavy |
| 18:29.47 | KotCzarny | if you need to compile 10000 regexps? |
| 18:30.11 | KotCzarny | and you have to keep them in memory or compile again |
| 18:30.13 | freemangordon | well, I bet this can be optimized |
| 18:30.43 | KotCzarny | i use fnmatch() from libc |
| 18:30.46 | KotCzarny | just checked |
| 18:31.08 | freemangordon | I am sure a hash table will do it in 15 iters, regexp matching included |
| 18:31.37 | KotCzarny | if you want regexp junk blocker you can see privoxy |
| 18:32.14 | freemangordon | see, I don;t care wether it will do regexp or whatever, all I need is a working adblock on n900 :) |
| 18:32.19 | freemangordon | *whether |
| 18:32.50 | freemangordon | maybe I shoudl look at adblock and see what it does and if it can be optimized |
| 18:33.07 | KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N900:/home/src/oscp]# apt-cache search privoxy |
| 18:33.07 | KotCzarny | privoxy - Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy |
| 18:33.17 | KotCzarny | someone already put it in repos |
| 18:33.34 | freemangordon | even moving the regexp matching out of the js to even standard c implementation should make a difference |
| 18:34.08 | KotCzarny | but having proxy means you cant match url part anymore, only domain |
| 18:34.13 | KotCzarny | but usually its enough |
| 18:36.29 | freemangordon | cute: https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/extensions/adblockplus-webaddon/develop/%7Bd10d0bf8-f5b5-c8b4-a8b2-2b9879e08c5d%7D/chrome/adblockplus/content/filterClasses.js |
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| 18:47.27 | erlehmann | freemangordon i use polipo |
| 18:53.08 | KotCzarny | hrm, zziplib crashes with gcc-4.6 on n900 |
| 18:53.10 | KotCzarny | o.o |
| 19:01.15 | bencoh | erlehmann: with or without disk caching ? |
| 19:01.41 | KotCzarny | isnt disk caching expensive on nit? |
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| 19:02.55 | bencoh | KotCzarny: that's what I experimented, but others might have a different experience |
| 19:03.26 | KotCzarny | unless you have random 4k iops on your sd card >100 |
| 19:03.56 | KotCzarny | usually its in 0.1-2.0 range |
| 19:04.25 | KotCzarny | or use some smart algo to change it into circularbuffer or something |
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| 19:07.13 | erlehmann | bencoh without |
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| 19:24.27 | Vajb | i use custom hosts file for adblocking |
| 19:24.38 | Vajb | works well enough for my taste |
| 19:24.45 | KotCzarny | if it works, ok |
| 19:24.58 | KotCzarny | i like ad*.com fnmatch |
| 19:25.20 | Vajb | and also css block |
| 19:28.52 | bencoh | css block ? |
| 19:29.03 | KotCzarny | block by media size |
| 19:29.05 | KotCzarny | probably |
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| 19:30.54 | bencoh | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48544 |
| 19:33.25 | bencoh | erlehmann: hmm does polipo has ssl support in maemo ? |
| 19:33.40 | bencoh | (doesnt look like it does, to me) |
| 19:34.54 | KotCzarny | hrm |
| 19:35.43 | KotCzarny | codeblock works when compiled alone, runs when compiled in app, yet i get segv in lib |
| 19:35.44 | bencoh | (at least judging at ldd) |
| 19:36.04 | KotCzarny | bencoh: you dont have to link to openssl to be ablo to connect |
| 19:36.11 | KotCzarny | and pass data to client |
| 19:36.27 | KotCzarny | but then you can only filter by domain name |
| 19:36.27 | bencoh | hmm right it might passthrough |
| 19:36.48 | xorly | Pali: in kernel 3.19 is module called nokia_h4p isn't this module supposed to work with N900 BT hw? |
| 19:37.23 | Pali | nokia_h4p or hci_h4p is bluetooth module for n900 |
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| 19:39.00 | KotCzarny | i hate obscure bugs |
| 19:39.41 | KotCzarny | anyone has an idea how to debug something that fails deeper in libs? |
| 19:40.12 | xorly | Pali: it is not even complaining about missing fw and there is no bt adapter avilable after loading |
| 19:40.32 | Pali | ask pavelm, he is working on bluetooth driver |
| 19:41.21 | bencoh | KotCzarny: coredump and gdb ? |
| 19:42.14 | KotCzarny | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qqKdTiaY |
| 19:42.28 | KotCzarny | extract_file_zip is func in my program |
| 19:42.35 | KotCzarny | rest is libs |
| 19:42.51 | KotCzarny | zzip/zlib/libc |
| 19:43.12 | bencoh | build with -g (without -O2, or force -O0), and check your pointers :) |
| 19:43.28 | KotCzarny | might as well do that |
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| 19:43.40 | KotCzarny | as i have no other ideas (apart from digging in zzlib) |
| 19:44.49 | KotCzarny | im already using -O2 -g apparently |
| 19:44.55 | KotCzarny | lets check O0 |
| 19:45.17 | Vajb | bencoh: css block is in extras i think |
| 19:45.46 | bencoh | Vajb: http://maemo.org/packages/view/adflashblock-css/ ? |
| 19:45.46 | Vajb | it just removes those empty banners on browser |
| 19:46.35 | Vajb | seems like it |
| 19:47.10 | bencoh | I forgot how setting a proxy with microb can be a pain |
| 19:47.16 | KotCzarny | :> |
| 19:47.26 | bencoh | this *shit* insists on overriding my settings |
| 19:47.26 | KotCzarny | why not fennec? |
| 19:47.30 | bencoh | even in user.js |
| 19:47.33 | bencoh | fennec is freaking slow |
| 19:47.58 | KotCzarny | amazingly with -O0 it didnt crash |
| 19:48.01 | KotCzarny | o.O |
| 19:48.19 | bencoh | huhu |
| 19:48.24 | KotCzarny | maybe i should rollback this gcc 4.6 back to 4.2 |
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| 19:53.33 | Vajb | fennec is unusable slow to start |
| 19:53.48 | Vajb | opera is soso |
| 19:54.08 | KotCzarny | there was also 'tear' browser |
| 19:54.38 | Vajb | only problem with opera is that it shows only thumbnails of pics |
| 19:54.49 | Vajb | hmm didn't try tear |
| 19:55.01 | KotCzarny | wasnt opera browser just a 'proxy' to their service? |
| 19:55.03 | Vajb | tried links but it crashes too much |
| 19:55.14 | Vajb | no idea |
| 19:55.26 | KotCzarny | could be mobile version for dumb phones tho |
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| 21:08.23 | ShadowJK | Three levels of "boost" in opera, more or less |
| 21:08.49 | ShadowJK | The "mini" version for not-smartphones, rendering in opera servers |
| 21:09.34 | ShadowJK | Mobile has "turbo" mode, where opera servers downloaded a webpage, compressed it into a single file, and sent to user's phone, where opera unpacked and rendered it |
| 21:09.50 | ShadowJK | and without turbo, it fetched the weboage from phone directly |
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| 21:13.56 | Sicelo | opera mobile on N900 can use a proxy? e.g polipo? |
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| 21:48.51 | Sicelo | Vajb: iirc in opera you can long press on images and get them to open in full |
| 22:36.51 | Vajb | Sicelo: yes, but it still is low ress image. 177x133 |
| 22:40.08 | Vajb | im speaking about images posted in facebook |
| 22:53.39 | ShadowJK | facebook does so much messing itself |
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| 23:14.43 | sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks |
| 23:14.43 | infobot | [beasttweaks] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts |
| 23:19.00 | sixwheeledbeast | grr, killall trackerd |
| 23:20.25 | sixwheeledbeast | oh well, hopefully tracker will be finished by the morning... |
| 23:21.05 | sixwheeledbeast | if the watchdog doesn't kick in again |
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