IRC log for #maemo on 20150128

00:02.25bencohtotalizator: is just me or sxiv really is slower than feh ?
00:05.37bencohtotalizator: have you tried portrait mode in feh ? it's ... funny :)
00:06.19ecc3gThe battery in my n900 probably should be retired soon... it's like 4 years old now...
00:08.25MaxdamantusMk, I think it's dropping now, so my prediction wasn't too far off.
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01:03.18MaxdamantusOkay, looks like it used 1100 mAh that time.
01:04.07bencohis that a fresh new battery ?
01:04.43MaxdamantusNo.
01:04.58MaxdamantusI'm just trying to calibrate it.
01:05.20Maxdamantusit lasts long enough.
01:05.45Maxdamantus20 hours.
01:06.33Maxdamantusso now it says 1177 mAh is the full charge.
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10:40.19uhhimherehi  guys
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13:22.12totalizatorbencoh: sxiv may be slower, I dunno; feh seems better as it can open images directly via http and this is what I need
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14:45.50stryngsAnyone know if ghost affects maemo?
14:48.51stryngsfricking wonderful
14:48.53stryngsvulnerable
14:51.01bencohvirtually everything released between 2000 and 2013 is vuln
14:51.49bencoh(at least its glibc is, the fact that it can be effectively exploited is out of scope)
14:52.28stryngsyep
14:52.37stryngsi ran code to verify we are vuln =/
14:52.53stryngsSo...  If i compile the newest glibc w/patch, will that break stuff bencoh ?
14:53.27bencohthe newest glibc ? ABI breaks :)
14:53.38bencohwell, it *might* break
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14:53.48stryngsOk, so what do we do?
14:53.59bencohtry and port the patch to our glibc
14:54.09stryngsI patched bash with no major issues, but bash isn't as underlying as a c library to maemo
14:54.30bencohbash isnt used anywhere
14:54.32stryngsWhats ABI bencoh ?
14:54.39stryngsI used it bencoh =)  Hence my need to patch
14:54.42stryngsuse rather
14:54.54bencohhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface
14:55.16stryngsgoes 'ah'
14:56.25stryngsHow do you know it breaks the abi?
14:56.33stryngsJust trying to figure out hwere to start from..
14:56.38stryngsI definately want to patch this
14:56.40bencoh15:53 < bencoh> well, it *might* break
14:57.22bencohI dunno where we stand for regarding glibc upgrade, but some people had a look at it iirc
14:57.30stryngsok
14:57.40stryngsWell I'm going to go with lowest version of glibc as possible
14:57.40bencohs/for//
14:57.54stryngsI'll compile and see what happens, if good I'll port it i guess
14:58.00stryngsIt's just i don't build in sb
14:58.09stryngsI build natively so my debs aren't normal
14:58.19stryngsnot sure if the community is rdy for that =/
15:06.09freemangordonglibc can be (and is) upgraded via CSSU
15:07.12stryngsdoesn't use CSSU
15:07.35stryngs=)
15:12.31bencohfreemangordon: freely ?
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16:02.57freemangordonbencoh: hmm?
16:03.05freemangordoncan't parse your question
16:04.05bencohdoes everything work with the latest glibc ?
16:04.28bencoh(cssu-s still has 2.5.3 btw)
16:04.50bencoh(err 2.5.1)
16:05.11freemangordonyes, it is 2.5.1, but fit patches on top of the stock
16:05.17freemangordon*with
16:05.40stryngs2.18 is compiling......
16:05.47freemangordonBTW the problem with upgrading glibc seems to be qith gcc, not glibc itself
16:05.52freemangordon*with
16:05.56stryngsyep... need 4.6
16:05.58stryngs=)
16:06.07freemangordon...and it miscompiles it
16:06.09stryngsill upload my deb if yall want
16:06.18stryngsno issues here
16:06.21stryngscurrently in the make stage
16:06.36freemangordonstryngs: yes, you'll have, with locales ;)
16:06.40bencohfreemangordon: yeah, which means upgrading libgcc too ...
16:07.38freemangordonbencoh: no, the problem is that gcc, at least 4.6 and 4.7.2 are miscompiling glibc, leading to broken locales on the device
16:07.48stryngsoh
16:07.50stryngsi see
16:08.00stryngsbut we all speak english =)
16:08.43bencohfreemangordon: how do the others do ?
16:08.52bencohthe other distribs for instance
16:09.03freemangordonincludeing those, you end up with _fi_whatever_the_nokia_dev_madeup_ instead of the real text
16:09.17freemangordonbencoh: no idea
16:09.31stryngsfreemangordon: How do you know the locales are broken?
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16:10.50bencohOE builds with gcc4.8.2 for instance
16:11.01bencohbut they build eglibc
16:11.43freemangordonstryngs: there is a thread on TMO about upgrading libc
16:13.16freemangordonit is eglibc what we have here afaik
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16:15.58bencohthen it should build with gcc4.8 :)
16:23.59stryngswe don't have gcc4.8 though
16:24.02stryngsdo we?
16:29.39freemangordonве дон;т
16:29.42freemangordonsorry
16:29.45freemangordonwe don't
16:30.04freemangordonPali: any idea what is 2nd.bin?
16:30.18Paliused for coldflashing
16:30.37Pali2nd.bin + secondary.bin is send via usb and 2nd.bin is booted by omap bootrom
16:30.50Palino idea what is difference between 2nd.bin and xloader.bin...
16:31.17freemangordonPali: thanks
16:31.50Palimaybe 2nd.bin enable something which is disabled by xloader?
16:31.57freemangordonyeah, maybe
16:32.13freemangordondo we have any clue what is signed, hashed, etc. and how?
16:34.08freemangordonPali: I guess there is one signature of the public key, with TI private, and one signature of the binary, with Nokia private, correct<
16:34.58Palino idea
16:35.05Palitry to ask jacekowski
16:35.13freemangordonhehe :D
16:35.15Palihe had tool for signing x-loader images...
16:35.25freemangordon~seen jacekowski
16:35.28infobotjacekowski <jacekowski@jacekowski.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 360d 16h 30m 11s ago, saying: 'i couldn't resist'.
16:35.45freemangordonhe did a rage-quit iirc
16:40.24bencoh:/
16:41.19Palihttps://github.com/milaq/android_device_lge_p940/blob/cm-10.2/releasetools/ifttool/signimg.sh
16:41.28Palilooks like signing tool is called ift
16:41.43Pali(referenced from https://github.com/swetland/omap4boot/issues/8)
16:42.57stryngs!tmo
16:43.02stryngs!info tmo
16:43.04stryngshmm
16:43.06stryngs~tmo
16:43.07infobotit has been said that tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.
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16:44.44freemangordonPali: yeah, and I couldn;t find it
16:45.24freemangordonthough I just downloaded the signing tool mentioned here http://wiki.maemo.org/Firmware_hacking#X-Loader_Hacking
16:47.04freemangordonhmm, there are some keys with it
16:47.10freemangordonactually LOTS OF keys
16:47.24freemangordonand there is configuration for HS/EMU devices
16:48.10freemangordonit is in folder Security/IFT
17:00.28freemangordonPali: it seems that SW can sign xloaders for HS devices
17:01.13Paliyes "OMAP3430 CSST Binary Release" is that tool found by jacekowski
17:02.00Paliand he told that tool is for signing xloader (if you have private key)
17:02.18PaliFirmware_hacking wiki page?
17:02.28PaliI did not know about it
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17:04.45vakkovhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Firmware_hacking#X-Loader_Hacking   <--- 2nd.bin is signed; secondary.bin is not
17:05.05vakkov#needsediting ;D
17:06.04freemangordonwell, that's correct, secondary is NOLO
17:06.54freemangordonPali: *which* private key? TI?
17:07.20PaliI think we do not know if key is owned by TI or Nokia...
17:07.35freemangordonfor sure there is at least on key owned by TI
17:07.55freemangordon*BUT* we can ask TI to sign a certificate for us
17:08.09freemangordonand that would becoe a valid signing certificate :)
17:08.16freemangordon*become
17:09.24freemangordonhmm, actually Neo900 would need on
17:09.26freemangordon*one
17:13.18stryngszomg...
17:13.20stryngsstill building
17:13.45stryngsgezuz
17:13.48stryngs+1 hr to build
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17:32.59PaliI post this link also here: http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f83/nokia-rsa-private-key-195f111a9543a8644e77e1677296ab23-free-1490743/
17:34.14Palifreemangordon: by chance, can you extract keys/certificates from xloader and check if above one is not valid? :D
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20:33.42stryngswtf...  2 files in /var/log?
20:33.47stryngsis this normal?
20:35.59sixwheeledbeastAnybody know if it is possible to set WLAN priorities on N900?
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20:50.14stryngsShould /var/log have files?!?
21:05.25Paliwhy not?
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21:27.21stryngsPali: heh.  my /var/log has two files...wtf
21:27.38Palisyslog? fsck log?
21:27.59stryngsNokia-N900:/var/log# ls
21:28.00stryngsmaemo-optify-boottime.log  pycentral.log
21:28.03stryngsthats it
21:28.07stryngsstrange, eh?
21:29.03Sicelonot strange at all. i've got more :D
21:29.19stryngsyeah, but i should have more than 2 files
21:29.20stryngswtf?
21:30.01Sicelolike?
21:30.10stryngsheck i dunno
21:30.18stryngsi just figured it should have more than that =)
21:30.36Sicelono
21:30.38stryngsheh
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21:31.29Siceloi have more because i installed packages which create logs there .. but those two you have are the 'standard' ones on maemo, as Pali indicated already
21:32.00stryngs16:27 < Pali> syslog? fsck log?
21:32.18stryngsI have maemo-optify-boottime.log and pycentral.log
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21:33.00Sicelo21:05 < Pali> why not?
21:33.29Siceloanyway, g'nite
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22:26.43sixwheeledbeaststryngs: I can confirm I have the same two files BTW.
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22:28.06stryngsok
22:28.11stryngsno worries. thank u though sixwheeledbeast
22:28.18stryngsjust thought it kind of odd at the time =)
22:28.47sixwheeledbeastnp
22:34.22freemangordonPali: yeah, I can try
22:34.45Paliok
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