IRC log for #maemo on 20150121

00:05.17antranigvbencoh: thanks!
00:10.16Maxdamantuswonders if that link was meant to be temporary.
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07:11.29MaxdamantusHm. With newer versions of Linux (say, 3.14 and above), it looks like the kernel keeps the watchdog alive automatically, until some process opens the device or something.
07:11.46MaxdamantusIs that not the case with the current maemo kernels? (eg, 2.6.28.10-cssu1)
07:17.15Maxdamantuswonders if the interface is different for /dev/twl4030_wdt
07:17.54MaxdamantusI think in the newer kernels it just unifies into a single watchdog using /dev/watchdog
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07:30.15MaxdamantusAh. There's no twl4030_wdt device in by filesystem's /dev .. that might be why busybox's `watchdog` doesn't work.
07:35.03MaxdamantusYay. It gets past an fsck now.
07:36.35APicGood.
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07:36.46APicI love Filesystemchecks.  ;-)
07:36.52MaxdamantusI don't.
07:37.14MaxdamantusI like btrfs, but that's not easy to run on 2.6.28.
07:37.42APicext9* > btr
07:37.46APicext9* > RAZOR
07:37.49MaxdamantusThe reason people usually won't have to do an fsck in that instance is that other people will be using ubifs for their root.
07:37.50APic(aka reis0r)
07:38.02APicYou are very right.  Sorry.
07:38.15APicI use to do tune2fs -c 0 -i 0
07:38.21APicWhen i get around to Thinking of it.
07:38.39APic.o0(But you _cannot_ Tunafish, even though they may taste like Dolphineggs…)
07:38.59Maxdamantus/dev/mmcblk0p2           27.4G     18.0G      8.0G  69% /home
07:39.14Maxdamantusbecause a separate /home and /opt is silly.
07:39.42APicI see
07:39.46APicPlanetary Collisions
07:40.07APicBut they oughta have thought of _something_ in the Past when introducing Partitionseparation on Muli{ces,Uni{}
07:40.10APicFAIL
07:40.12APicSORRY
07:40.13APicI will shut up now.
07:40.14MaxdamantusMaking a block device available over UMS is also silly, in a relatively Linux-like environment like Maemo.
07:40.21APicAnd vatch teh™ nic3 Snowdenfilm.
07:40.21APiccya
07:40.23APic*nute*
07:40.24APicmutes.
07:40.35Maxdamantuswill go afk now.
07:40.41APichf
07:41.21Maxdamantuswill soon see if he can kill the supposedly superfluous `watchdog` processes left from boot.
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08:26.03Maxdamantus20:36:42 < APic> I love Filesystemchecks.  ;-)
08:26.32MaxdamantusA filesystem having a check that's meant to be done pretty much every mount indicates it's a filesystem open to inconsistencies.
08:26.55Maxdamantusactually, the check can fix the inconsistencies.
08:27.02Maxdamantusbut it's a filesystem open to data loss.
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08:28.06Maxdamantusunless you run it in a crazy way, eg, `-o data=journal` on ext3/4
08:28.52Maxdamantusmeh, I think inconsistency was the right description.
08:29.39Maxdamantuswith ext, you can end up with a filesystem in a state you never actually put it in, unless you use `-o data=journal`, which causes all data to be journalled, halving write performance.
08:30.34uhhimhereso has maemo run on anything other than n900
08:35.25MaxdamantusIt runs on x86.
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08:46.07uhhimhereMaxdamantus: really?
08:46.15uhhimhereMaxdamantus: like what
08:46.27MaxdamantusIt runs in scratchbox.
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09:08.20Luke-Jrwho cares? maemo is dead.
09:10.24bencohnoooo!
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09:38.52kerioscratchbox uses qemu for some stuff i think
09:49.49MaxdamantusI think it uses it for building stuff.
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09:50.08Maxdamantusbecause crosscompiling is difficult for some reason.
09:51.33Maxdamantusthinks something like the nix package manager should solve it, but they started doing it wrong at the beginning -_-
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10:02.49kerioyeah, nokia fucked us up really hard in that regard
10:03.14MaxdamantusIt's not really Nokia's fault.
10:04.12MaxdamantusCross-compiling is hard because people haven't come up with the right packaging system for it yet.
10:04.25bencoherm ... :)
10:04.55MaxdamantusI think nix leads the way for such a system, but they didn't take it into account when first writing nixpkgs.
10:05.19Maxdamantusa few years later when they had already written most of the packages they realised they could've made it easy to crosscompile everything.
10:05.23bencohit has nothing to do with packaging system
10:05.38bencohit does have to do with broken build systems though
10:06.04Maxdamantuswhich the packaging system can fix.
10:06.12MaxdamantusI'm using "packaging system" broadly.
10:06.21Maxdamantuswhere it would include things like portage.
10:06.27bencohactually that's not a "fix"
10:06.49keriono it wouldn't
10:06.52kerioit would include stuff like apt
10:06.59keriobecause maemo is debian-based
10:07.01bencohthat's more of a kludge where you trick the build system into thinking it can use a whole tree as a "native" sysroot
10:07.21ShadowJKthis is weird, my MyDocs is mounted without permissions for 'user'
10:07.24MaxdamantusI'm not only talking about Maemo.
10:08.52MaxdamantusAn important thing with nix is that native packages shouldn't get special treatment.
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10:10.28Maxdamantusif you're building on x86_64 targetting ARM and you need to use bison, you'll address an x86_64 build of bison, which is still just contained in /nix/store/abcdefg-bison
10:13.05Maxdamantusif the ARM program needs to run bison, it'll refer to /nix/store/gfedcba-bison
10:13.17Maxdamantustraditionally, both will want to use /usr/bin/bison
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11:32.52bencohhm, what happened to alopex ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 ) ? anyone knows why it hasnt made it to extras-devel ?
11:34.42APicDunno.
11:44.07bencohqwazix: any idea (regarding alopex ^) ?
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12:12.00qwazixIt died
12:12.52qwazixIt wasn't in very good state, I stopped being overly interested and qmlmozembed didn't get too far either
12:13.33qwazixIt didn't get to extras devel because it requires thumb
12:14.13qwazixbencoh, ^
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12:37.02Maxdamantuswould quite like a new version of xulrunner, so he can just run conkeror.
12:38.34Maxdamantusconkeror seems like about as reasonable a browser to use on the N900 as a normal computer.
12:38.41Maxdamantusdoesn't need much UI optimisation.
12:38.55Maxdamantuswrote some script for it that gives it kinetic scrolling anyway.
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13:13.15bencohqwazix: oh ... how comes it needs thumb?
13:14.29kerioit doesn't require thumb, but it requires some updated qt stuff
13:14.34keriothat, so far, is only in cssu-thumb
13:14.50bencohhmm
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17:05.44useretailhello. does anyone know how to format 'fake' sd card properly to reveal it's true size?
17:12.38stryngsuseretail: Not sure i understand what u mean.  fdisk -l might be helpful?
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20:07.24useretailfake sd cards described here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6MBiEaSMkU
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22:47.53bencohdoes anyone know why we have jemalloc installed (in microb-engine) but microb/browserd doesnt seem to be linked against it or load it at run time ?
22:48.15bencoh(neither ldd nor lsof say anything about it)
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23:12.32keriodelete it and see if stuff explodes
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