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| 03:49.40 | Maxdamantus | Hm. What's that program that gets lots of information about the system? |
| 03:50.04 | Maxdamantus | (something Maemo-specific) |
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| 08:07.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Maxdamantus: healthcheck |
| 08:07.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ? |
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| 08:08.31 | Maxdamantus | That wasn't it. |
| 08:08.43 | Maxdamantus | It's something installed by default. |
| 08:08.49 | Maxdamantus | It just prints stuff to stdout. |
| 08:08.56 | Maxdamantus | doesn't show it graphically. |
| 08:10.34 | Maxdamantus | Hm. It might be similar to `lshal` |
| 08:10.51 | Maxdamantus | but I think it had a longer name, and output stuff slightly more nicely. |
| 08:11.43 | Maxdamantus | actually, I think it was just lshal. |
| 08:12.07 | Vajb | conky shows lots of info, but graphically |
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| 10:11.58 | Horcrux | ~combined |
| 10:11.58 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 10:12.08 | Horcrux | ~emmc |
| 10:12.09 | infobot | from memory, emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2 |
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| 10:42.12 | Horcrux | guys how do I know if my N900 needs the UK or international version. Also does it really matter? |
| 10:55.15 | Vajb | Horcrux: i guess it doesn't matter, but that's just a guess... |
| 10:55.32 | kolp | guesses the same |
| 10:56.19 | bencoh | too |
| 10:56.37 | Horcrux | I'll try flashing international onto a device from the UK and see what happens :P |
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| 11:42.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: it doesn't matter |
| 11:44.01 | Horcrux | thanks sixwheeledbeast. I have the phone flashed with both combined and the (EU?) eMMC image and am doing the CSSU stuff atm. |
| 11:45.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: remember to remove cherry too |
| 11:45.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ~cherry |
| 11:45.54 | infobot | rumour has it, cherry is http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 11:46.29 | Horcrux | is cherry included on the PR1.3.1 image |
| 11:46.31 | Horcrux | ? |
| 11:49.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: I believe so, you will be able to check |
| 12:01.27 | Horcrux | sixwheeledbeast: thanks for the tips, and it seems cherry is still present (I didn't get the contract popup though) |
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| 12:04.11 | Horcrux | err, why does apt-get dist-upgrade want to remove 370 packages? O.o |
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| 12:12.50 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: never do apt-get dist upgrade on Maemo ever! |
| 12:13.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: I guess your new to Maemo? |
| 12:13.32 | Horcrux | well, new to messing with stuff under the hood yes |
| 12:14.41 | sixwheeledbeast | Recommended to only use ~ham or ~speedyHAM for package management. |
| 12:14.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ham |
| 12:14.48 | infobot | rumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham |
| 12:14.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ~speedyham |
| 12:14.53 | infobot | i guess speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 12:14.58 | sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam |
| 12:14.59 | infobot | i guess hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 12:15.35 | antranigv | or just using the terminal ? :) |
| 12:15.42 | Horcrux | are either of those cli based? |
| 12:16.14 | antranigv | non of these are... they are GUIs |
| 12:16.22 | antranigv | as much as I remember |
| 12:17.54 | Horcrux | err, I mostly SSH... Is there reasoning other than the dist-upgrade thing as to why using apt is a bad idea? |
| 12:18.29 | sixwheeledbeast | All GUI's, if you use terminal there is a slim possibility of a dependency mess. as you can see from the link above http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 |
| 12:21.13 | antranigv | any idea why is this happening ? isn't HAM just a GUI for apt ? |
| 12:26.14 | Horcrux | sixwheeledbeast: I am pretty new to linux and only sort of know how package managers work. That being said, why do apt and HAM behave differently? Don't they use the same dependence logic? |
| 12:28.54 | kerio | HAM is "special" |
| 12:33.45 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: There are multiple factors I believe. the metapackage/dependency ball that is Maemo, the extra layer of security using domains that HAM has, the system upgrade recovery that ham has... basically yes, ham is "special". |
| 12:34.51 | sixwheeledbeast | if you read the thread above you may understand it better. |
| 12:36.24 | Horcrux | I've been looking but it's largely greek to me... post #14 kind of makes it sound like HAM prevents Nokia packages from being replaced |
| 12:36.45 | Horcrux | also I'm not too interested in the Ovi apps |
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| 12:39.18 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: yes different repositories so if some packages was pushed to the repos with the same name as a system package apt would replace it (following the rules of dpkg compare version) however HAM recognises it's not a system package so the original is kept |
| 12:39.55 | sixwheeledbeast | well explained basically anyway |
| 12:41.52 | Horcrux | Oh, that makes sense. Is there a situation where this is a bad thing, though? Assuming the maemo.org repos are kept clear of packages that'd not reliably replace system packages, ofc |
| 12:43.35 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: that's only number one of HAM's special abilities ;) |
| 12:44.58 | bencoh | that case can be fixed with pinning ;) |
| 12:45.04 | bencoh | pining/preferences |
| 12:45.37 | Horcrux | okay, HAM is too slow. If I brick my system with apt I'll reflash. xD |
| 12:45.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: ~speedyham |
| 12:45.59 | sixwheeledbeast | ~speedyham |
| 12:45.59 | infobot | it has been said that speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb |
| 12:46.28 | Horcrux | ooh, I thought speedyham was FAM, but it's not? |
| 12:46.29 | sixwheeledbeast | hopefully it will be in CSSU in the near future |
| 12:46.36 | Horcrux | sweet |
| 12:46.59 | sixwheeledbeast | Horcrux: no fam is a apt gui, speedyham is ham fixed by fmg |
| 12:47.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ~fmg |
| 12:47.16 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fmg is the greatest |
| 12:47.24 | sixwheeledbeast | bows |
| 12:48.19 | Horcrux | sweet, ty |
| 12:48.33 | sixwheeledbeast | np |
| 13:10.11 | Vajb | im not entirely sure if it was partly me or speedyham install, but after all it ended to reflash for me |
| 13:11.34 | Vajb | i tried to install it through ham, but it failed and that broke something. Then i tried through apt and it failed too. |
| 13:12.12 | Vajb | then i tried to fix it with apt because ham wouldn't work because of dependency issues |
| 13:12.38 | Vajb | i solved them through apt, but in the end something was not right |
| 13:13.02 | Vajb | because after that my device didn't recover fom reboot |
| 13:13.25 | Vajb | i had cssu-stable if that matters |
| 13:16.45 | Horcrux | uh, Vajb I think I have exactly the issue you do |
| 13:16.58 | Horcrux | my device is bootlooping :( |
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| 13:19.18 | kerio | rip |
| 13:20.18 | Horcrux | this is what I get for doing that autoremove earlier I suppose |
| 13:20.27 | Vajb | yes |
| 13:21.00 | Vajb | while i tried to fix my system apt suggested to autoremove cssu enabler... |
| 13:21.18 | Horcrux | ouch |
| 13:21.32 | Horcrux | I think that's partly what happened here too |
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| 13:21.57 | Veggen | imho, it's a bug that the system don't support apt-get upgrade. |
| 13:22.58 | Horcrux | @Veggen: I feel ya |
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| 13:25.56 | Vajb | but in the end this is the best nokia phone i ever had |
| 13:26.17 | Vajb | my first was 3110 |
| 13:26.44 | antranigv | question, are the .bin files for combined and VANILLA the same ? :-/ |
| 13:30.13 | sixwheeledbeast | Vajb: sounds like the dependency mess was already there, speedyham was just the nail in the coffin. |
| 13:33.15 | Vajb | sixwheeledbeast: well ham didn't complain anything nor did apt. |
| 13:33.41 | Vajb | i regularly check updates through ham + apt |
| 13:33.57 | Vajb | ham doesn't show all updates |
| 13:34.34 | Vajb | but well truth is i used fam before so maybe thats the one to blame |
| 13:34.48 | antranigv | so there is no sollutions for good package manager, ha? |
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| 13:35.39 | antranigv | HAM is slow (I'm ok with that), but still doesn't show all updates ? not good. |
| 13:36.42 | sixwheeledbeast | Er, it will be "hiding" the updates for a reason. Remember special powers |
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| 14:34.30 | antranigv | ~combined |
| 14:34.30 | infobot | combined is, like, the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 14:36.47 | antranigv | so central europe and vanilla are for EMMC, I should do that first... then do Combined, PR 1.3.1, ha ? :) |
| 14:37.35 | antranigv | I just don't get why Central Europe is 600MB while Vanilla is 260MB :-/ |
| 14:38.16 | antranigv | galif thank you, who ever you are :) |
| 14:38.26 | Horcrux | it is? you mean I downloaded an extra 300mb for nothing? :O |
| 14:39.58 | antranigv | Horcrux: I have no idea :-/ I also have limited data, that's why I'd like to know :) |
| 14:40.02 | antranigv | you see there are 4 files |
| 14:40.09 | antranigv | PR 1.3 |
| 14:40.15 | antranigv | PR 1.3.1 |
| 14:40.19 | antranigv | Vanilla - 260BM |
| 14:40.24 | antranigv | MB* |
| 14:40.29 | antranigv | and Central Europe - 600 MB |
| 14:40.45 | antranigv | Vanilla vs Central Europe... any idea ? |
| 14:41.33 | Horcrux | vanilla and CE are both eMMC images and honestly there's not too much useful that I've found in the CE image |
| 14:42.08 | antranigv | so I downloaded 300 MB for nothing.... |
| 14:42.09 | antranigv | anyway |
| 14:42.12 | antranigv | :) |
| 14:42.17 | antranigv | I still need combined |
| 14:42.31 | antranigv | I need a day to download that... so |
| 14:42.44 | sixwheeledbeast | bundled videos depending on region, UK version had a video called '9' IIRC |
| 14:43.18 | Horcrux | oh, that one about the kids and the camcorder? |
| 14:43.26 | antranigv | Vanilla, then should be :) |
| 14:44.53 | antranigv | sixwheeledbeast: there are 2 files, SE_21 and SE_20... newer the better ? btw, I'd like to install CSSU after reflashing :) |
| 14:47.16 | sixwheeledbeast | antranigv: I don't know what the difference is apart from "21" being newer. I have never needed to flash eMMC to compare. |
| 14:47.55 | antranigv | it's the combined, not eMMC |
| 14:48.01 | antranigv | here |
| 14:48.12 | antranigv | ~combined |
| 14:48.12 | infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 14:48.59 | antranigv | thanks infobot :) |
| 14:49.08 | antranigv | so 21 is 1.3.1 |
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| 15:25.39 | Horcrux | oh THAT 9 |
| 15:28.04 | sixwheeledbeast | antranigv: oh |
| 15:28.46 | sixwheeledbeast | use the latest one, they are different releases |
| 15:31.08 | sixwheeledbeast | pr1.3 or pr1.3.1 are fine, CSSU contains the 1.3.1 update anyway |
| 15:32.26 | Horcrux | okay the EU eMMC image contains 9 and some electro music which is where the extra space goes I assume |
| 15:33.38 | antranigv | 300 MB o.O damn it |
| 15:33.55 | Horcrux | and some wallpapers :D |
| 15:34.58 | antranigv | I just care about the Debian part :) no GUI needed for me |
| 15:34.58 | antranigv | but |
| 15:34.58 | antranigv | the main problem |
| 15:34.58 | antranigv | is my connection |
| 15:35.16 | antranigv | 45KB/S download damn it :-/ |
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| 18:18.19 | gabriel_schulhof | Hi, all! If anyone's around: Neither irreco nor qtirreco can find the host with the remotes database. Does anybody know how to fix that? |
| 18:20.04 | joga | nah I had the same prob... sounds like manual fix or complaining to the author |
| 18:23.18 | gabriel_schulhof | joga: If I knew what the structure of ~/.irreco I could fill it up myself. |
| 18:23.31 | gabriel_schulhof | joga: ... but I dunno what kinds of files are supposed to be in there. |
| 18:23.43 | gabriel_schulhof | joga: Do you have anything in ~/.irreco? |
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| 19:06.33 | joga | gabriel_schulhof, nah I don't even have that directory.. |
| 19:07.45 | gabriel_schulhof | joga: Alright. Thanks! |
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| 20:16.48 | Horcrux | So it seems the 720p video hack has bootlooped my phone |
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| 20:33.07 | fmunozs | Horcrux, is that freemangordon's stuff? I think a lot of people use it |
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| 20:35.11 | Horcrux_ | yep it's his stuff... any ideas as to why it borks things? |
| 20:37.27 | sixwheeledbeast | gabriel_schulhof: what do you need irreco for? |
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| 20:54.11 | stryngs | he has it laid out nicely |
| 20:54.15 | stryngs | acks |
| 21:09.53 | bencoh | Horcrux_: have you overclocked the dsp ? |
| 21:10.04 | bencoh | (and/or the cpu) |
| 21:12.05 | Horcrux_ | bencoh: no overclocking, reflashed earlier today and installed openSSH, CSSU, the speedyHAM and the 720p codecs/libraries |
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| 21:17.40 | Oksana | openSSH should not bork anything, in any way. CSSU by itself should not bork anything, either - I have CSSU-Testing. But, I have never installed speedyHAM, or 720p. |
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| 21:37.42 | bencoh | Horcrux_: but ... doesnt it need some overclocking ? |
| 21:37.51 | bencoh | (720p playback) |
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| 21:48.45 | RiDD | any way to force https connections or everything in n900? |
| 21:48.58 | RiDD | on everything that is possibe* |
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| 23:07.08 | freemangordon | bencoh: yep, DSP needs to be OC to 600 if you want smooth 720p record/playback |
| 23:07.53 | bencoh | Horcrux_: ^ |
| 23:08.11 | bencoh | freemangordon: is that "harmless" ? |
| 23:08.27 | freemangordon | as much as OC can be harmless |
| 23:08.31 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 23:08.32 | freemangordon | :) |
| 23:08.34 | Luke-Jr | iow, "no" |
| 23:09.00 | freemangordon | I am still unaware of any device broken by OC |
| 23:09.17 | bencoh | :) |
| 23:09.19 | freemangordon | Luke-Jr: so, it is rather "most probably yes" |
| 23:09.24 | Luke-Jr | freemangordon: or it gets written off as "not OC" when it dies ;) |
| 23:09.59 | bencoh | hm btw, does anyone really actually plays (or has the need to play) 720p on n900 ? it's a 480p screen :) |
| 23:10.42 | freemangordon | Luke-Jr: well, see how many reports are there for broken USB, SIM, etc. I bet there will be at least one "it died on me while I was plying 720p video" if it was that harmful ;) |
| 23:10.45 | Luke-Jr | record seems more likely |
| 23:10.48 | bencoh | (even less for 16/9 content) |
| 23:10.59 | Luke-Jr | freemangordon: my point is that OC damage causes the device to fail when you're not OCing |
| 23:11.04 | bencoh | (considering aspect-ratio conservation) |
| 23:11.13 | freemangordon | bencoh: the point is that you don't have to convert |
| 23:11.26 | freemangordon | Luke-Jr: like what kind of failure? |
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| 23:11.40 | Luke-Jr | freemangordon: OC causes the natural wear-and-tear death to occur much soonre |
| 23:12.03 | freemangordon | sure, but what kind of failure report you think is a result of OC? |
| 23:12.16 | Luke-Jr | shrugs |
| 23:12.24 | freemangordon | no, I am serious |
| 23:13.06 | Luke-Jr | I don't know. |
| 23:13.24 | Luke-Jr | frankly, since getting involved with bitcoin mining, I'm a lot less confused about what OC even means anymore |
| 23:13.28 | Luke-Jr | err |
| 23:13.30 | Luke-Jr | more confused* |
| 23:14.32 | freemangordon | also, keep in mind that what we OC in n900 is only the CPU, busses/memory etc freqs remain intact |
| 23:15.08 | freemangordon | so in theory the only think that could fail because of the OC is the CPU. Well, and DSP if it is OC as well |
| 23:15.11 | freemangordon | *thing |
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