IRC log for #maemo on 20141215

00:00.48OksanaIt's irritating, and it should be the easier bug to fix. When compared to launcher open-closed bug (somehow related to catorise[plus]) which causes hildon to be slow.
00:02.29OksanaOk, so going into reboot to get MyDocs mounted back.
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00:14.21kolpI just rebotted in portrait though, and the desktop showed up with correct dimensions, though locked to portrait o.O
00:14.29kolp*rebooted...
00:34.53OksanaNot sure about specific conditions. Maybe, you need to have in landscape in early-boot, in portrait in middle-boot, and in landscape in late-boot? ;-) Ok, I found a funny way to spend a bus travel - figuring out precisely when the bug happens :-)
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05:01.42OksanaAbout competitors: Samsung Galaxy S Epic 4G, has physical keyboard (five rows?), and such. Why is it being sold that cheap - under 200 USD on amazon?
05:04.10OksanaThat's after seeing old-ish Openmoko (no camera, CPU 0.4Hz) for 599 Euro at Pulster website.
05:06.09jogaandroid phones are cheap
05:06.17joga(relatively)
05:06.51jogadunno about that epic 4G but guessing it's old
05:06.58OksanaHmm... Why? It's not like it's impossible to get something else running on them?
05:07.40Oksana2010... Yes, I guess that's old.
05:07.59jogaobviously it's not very easy either or we would have a samsung phone running maemo ;)
05:08.10joga(or whatever)
05:08.23Luke-Jrjoga: well, maybe not. most Android phones have crappy capacitive ts
05:08.43jogamost of the world is happy with those
05:08.55jonwilI still believe the N900 is the best cellphone ever made.
05:09.11jonwilAnd that's only because the Neo900 isn't actually a thing yet :)
05:09.25Luke-JrN900 isn't really a cellphone..
05:09.31Luke-Jrjonwil: thoughts on the Pyra?
05:09.40jogait's the best portable terminal and IT multitool but a nokia 3210 beats it as phone
05:10.05jonwilHaven't seen enough on the Pyra to comment
05:12.18OksanaYes, resistive ts is more rare than qwerty hardware keyboard.
05:12.40jonwilAs a phone the N900 is far better than my old Motorola e378i, my old Motorola L6 and my old Motorola Z6 (the Z6 was one of the pre-Android Linux projects from Motorola that were always promised a "native code SDK"but never got one)
05:12.53jonwilAnd the N900 blows the pants off anything from crApple :P
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05:19.16OksanaOkay, then where is the easy manual to: 1. solder a new microUSB port to the board, in the place where the old one was torn out; 2. not miss the phone calls - the device does not even ring; 3. fsck MyDocs partition - just "fsck -avl" does not repair it, at all, though I know where the problem files are located.
05:20.25OksanaI mean, I get notified that I missed a call, two minutes after missing it, and that does not give me enough time to call-back before caller chooses an alternative method of communication.
05:21.05OksanaAnd I cannot delete "Input/Output error" file, even if I wanted to - it's "read-only filesystem" for a reason.
05:22.55OksanaSorry for attacking you. Just people around are asking me to get a phone which actually works, and does not fall apart at seams.
05:31.35robbiethe1stFor a corrupted partition: Hook to a PC(or use a spare SD card), copy your files off. Reformat the partition. Copy back on
05:31.54robbiethe1stThere's a reason backupmenu exists, but it's usually the home/optfs that craps out
05:32.48OksanaGood night, and good luck. Reformat MyDocs? Oh [gods]... I will certainly take opportunity to send the files from read-only MyDocs through Bluetooth. Without MicroUSB, there can be no hooking to PC. There is no spare SD card, especially working one.
05:33.06robbiethe1stOuch.
05:33.20robbiethe1stMicroSD cards are cheap, though, aren't they?
05:33.57robbiethe1stLast time my usb port fell off, I backed up to a linux PC via wifi(ssh), using rsync; took about 3 full batteries to do it.
05:34.08robbiethe1stThe usb port is the one horribly stupid thing about this phone
05:37.06robbiethe1stThe sad thing is, I still can't find anything better: I love the resistive screen that is accurate and I can use my fingernail, the web browser with it's mouse mode for interacting with mouseovers and such, the nice, simple debian-based package management, and useful console, the hardware keyboard, and the camera slide-cover
05:37.23robbiethe1stEveryone wants iphone-clones these days, I guess
05:37.54robbiethe1stOh, and the landscape-native system was a good idea too -- except for phone calls, why would you use portrate for anything?
05:38.12joga~usbfix
05:38.12infobotwell, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
05:38.32robbiethe1stAnyway, cya all.
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10:31.06*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet
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12:58.54CapsuLhow can i use bash script on maemo ?
13:00.12CapsuLi try $bash my_script ' on my nokian900 but impossible
13:00.33CapsuLit didn't know what is it
13:04.46chem|stCapsuL: you make it executable and ./yourscript in a bash
13:05.40chem|stif you call it as exec in some other term the script needs to have the bash exec line so the invoker knows it is bash
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13:15.18jogaCapsuL, is it in MyDocs? it's mounted as noexec so you can't run stuff there
13:15.38jogaif you put the script in your home dir (or subdirectory there) it should work
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13:38.48CapsuLthx chem|st and joga
13:38.56CapsuLi will try
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14:05.07chem|stjoga: oh yeah forgot about that
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14:27.02antranigv~flasher
14:27.02infobotflasher is probably at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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14:28.30antranigvthere was this free (as in freedom) flasher, for N900, any links ?
14:28.40bencoh0xffff
14:28.48antranigv~0xffff
14:28.48infobotrumour has it, 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996
14:29.26antranigvthanks, need also Resque OS :D broken BusyBox, (not booting)
14:29.33antranigv~resqueos ?
14:29.35antranigvna
14:29.44bencoh~rescueos
14:29.44infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
14:30.27antranigvbencoh: any idea which flasher works the best ? (: I haven't used my N900 for... some time
14:30.54bencohPali just joined, you can ask him about current status of 0xffff :>
14:35.55antranigvPali: well, I changed ash to bash in /etc/passwd I think, I just need to load RescueOS and changed that file back, right ?
14:38.20kerioantranigv: yes
14:38.29kerioeven though it should work
14:38.38kerioif you have bash in /etc/shells, at the very least
14:39.04stryngsAnyone used hostapd with the n900?
14:39.34antranigvI know that I have bash, and I know nothing else :-/ for fun I just did and... stoped in booting loop :P
14:40.25antranigv~emmc
14:40.25infobotit has been said that emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2
14:40.48antranigvwhat is ~emmc2 ?
14:40.58antranigv~emmc2
14:40.58infoboti guess emmc2 is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22FGDOJCSI/--LID--FiRe1275064390175/163EC1AE_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.IBERIA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22VHGOMWUG/--LID--FiRe1274862877184/E3AD4912_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.SEAP_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or see emmc3
14:41.40antranigvanyone knows the differences ? (sorry I have lots of question, I missed my N900:P)
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15:03.22antranigvjust last question, just need to connect via and $0xFFFF -l rescueOS-1.1.img and change the file back and done ?
15:04.33kerioyou need to specify the kernel as well
15:04.34keriobut sure
15:08.05antranigvkerio: kernel ? specify ? when, where and why ?
15:08.22kerioas you load rescueOS
15:09.21antranigvaw... I think it the standard nokia kernel, I haven't changed anything. I have Multiboot, it can show the kernel, I think.
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15:20.24kerioantranigv: no, you just load the kernel with flasher
15:20.25kerioin ram
15:21.08antranigvkerio: so I also have to download kernel to load ?
15:21.12antranigv~kernel
15:22.46bencohantranigv: there should be one shipped with rescueos iirc
15:23.52bencohhttp://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/2.6.37
15:24.41antranigvbencoh: cool! thanks! for everyone!
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15:31.15CapsuLi have put myscript on /bin/ , but now when i try to start it , maemo tell me 'permission denied' , i try $chmod -rwx myscript , but that change nothing
15:32.05CapsuLhave you got any solution ( myscript is bash ) my devise is nokian900
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15:39.11CapsuLi was try $chmod 777 myscript
15:39.33CapsuLbut know it doesn't found it ...
15:39.57CapsuLand i was put myscript(bash) in /bin/
15:47.23CapsuLokey it s find , just put $apt-get install bash
15:47.27CapsuL;)
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15:57.01stryngsNokia-N900:~# dpkg --list | grep bash
15:57.02stryngsii  bash                                                4.3-patch-30
15:57.04stryngsflexes
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16:51.31Vajbis there a program to record radiostream? Timed recording would be even better.
17:07.41SiceloVajb: recaller is a nice little widget capable of recording any sound in the system, incl. radio. for timed recording, you might want to cook up sumthing in conjunction with alarm(e)d
17:13.00VajbSicelo: thx. Will check it out.
17:14.59bencohincluding phone calls ?
17:15.27bencoh(or do we have anything for phone calls recording ?)
17:17.46Sicelorecaller can do calls too
17:23.59Vajbactually i thought that recaller was only for phone calls
17:24.29bencoh(hm, too bad it's a widget only :()
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17:46.48Vajbi was dreaming of something integrated to openmeadiaplayer ;p
17:47.27bencohmplayer -dumpstream in that case ;)
17:50.28sixwheeledbeastVajb: recaller is known for eating memory and causing phone lag.
17:51.03bencohmeh
17:52.40Sicelointeresting. i never got that (been using it for years now)
17:52.48sixwheeledbeastVajb: try Orecchiette for an OTB solution
17:55.49sixwheeledbeast~recaller
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18:02.39sixwheeledbeastinfobot: recaller is a python widget that records all audio http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1333720&postcount=7. Maybe try http://maemo.org/packages/view/orecchiette/ instead, if you don't like python widgetz.
18:02.39infobotokay, sixwheeledbeast
18:08.27Vajbhmm i think i'll try both with my test device first
18:09.05Vajbor what about that mplayer dumpstream bencoh?
18:09.22Vajbcan it be done by timed script?
18:09.27sixwheeledbeastOrecchiette is pretty cool as you can record the N900 desktop while recording the audio. http://youtu.be/SjS74PSbjvk
18:09.39Vajbor i need something like bash for that?
18:10.23Vajbsixwheeledbeast: ok. Will take a look when i get back home
18:13.56Siceloi will try Orecchiette too.
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21:34.21OksanaThank you, robbiethe1st. Portrait is very useful for scrolling long lists, currently, be it in file manager or somewhere else. Since nobody invented landscape-usable scrollable lists, yet. I have an idea about that... Define widget "scrollable list" in portrait like two lists, side by side: one of them contains one half of the list, the other contains the other half. So, you see the first...
21:34.22Oksana...and the last items in the list at the same time. When you scroll either of these two lists, the other auto-scrolls, too. So, to search whole list, you only need to scroll to half of the list, because you will simultaneously search the beginning and the end of the list. Confusing? It gets rid of ascending-descending switches nicely, though.
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23:17.43antranigvquestion: if I install CSSU, is there a going back ? reflashing maybe ?
23:20.26bencohreflashing
23:20.34bencohrolling back with apt is a pain
23:20.41bencoh(for cssu->stock)
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23:21.34antranigvbencoh: have you ever tried mer ?
23:22.00OksanaUninstalling CSSU: read end of the page here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ
23:22.41antranigvbtw, is skype working on Maemo ? MS stopped Skype on my Nokia 5800 :(
23:24.09bencohantranigv: nemo on n900 isnt maintained anymore
23:24.35bencoh(there is no wayland support for n900)
23:24.57bencohand latest nemo build were dead slow on n900 anyway
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23:31.02jonwilSkype still works on my N900 last I checked
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