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| 08:07.26 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 10:02.12 | capsul | Hello mate"! |
| 10:02.21 | capsul | 3h1ello maemo community :) |
| 10:02.47 | capsul | 3l1ittle question about nokia n900 |
| 10:03.09 | capsul | 3i1 bought new battery for it |
| 10:03.29 | capsul | 3b1ut all time , when i change it , that reset date and hour |
| 10:03.43 | capsul | 3d1o you know application/packet/script |
| 10:04.17 | capsul | 3w1ich can refresh date from wireless connection ? |
| 10:04.24 | bencoh | would you please turn color off ? |
| 10:04.27 | bencoh | :) |
| 10:04.55 | capsul | 3s1ry about this , it's @¤ù^$ù client mirc |
| 10:05.19 | capsul | 3n1o xchat or irssi , i will try to get out this |
| 10:05.52 | capsul | 3b1ut do u know any solution about my prob ? :D |
| 10:06.01 | bencoh | n900 should be able to get time sync from the phone network ... depending on the network operator |
| 10:06.23 | capsul | 3h1mm |
| 10:06.25 | capsul | 3o1key |
| 10:06.40 | Sicelo | yes bencoh. it's in the menu |
| 10:07.06 | bencoh | Sicelo: it's just that sometimes, it fails/it's off |
| 10:07.09 | Sicelo | can't see what capsul is writing too, and not in the mood to change my color just for that |
| 10:07.10 | bencoh | like ... one day off :] |
| 10:07.15 | bencoh | I dunno why |
| 10:07.54 | capsul | thank you bencoh and Sicelo ,and pardon for color,last time i come here with this client :D |
| 10:08.11 | Sicelo | bencoh: your TZ is correct? blame your operator. i know a few times our operator here broke their time settings :) |
| 10:08.54 | Sicelo | you can cofirm that it's your operator by checking on another phone.. most likely the times will be off on it too |
| 10:09.03 | bencoh | Sicelo: yup, it is (correct) |
| 10:10.37 | bencoh | right now it works but it's 70sec ahead (!) |
| 10:10.49 | bencoh | (compared to a ntp-synced server) |
| 10:11.11 | bencoh | I guess I just cant trust them :) |
| 10:14.45 | Sicelo | capsul: your battery is loose inside the N900 |
| 10:15.09 | Sicelo | carefully extend the contact pins on the battery |
| 10:15.31 | Sicelo | ah, lol.. i misunderstood you |
| 10:16.00 | Sicelo | you switch between batteries? then yes, known flaw in N900 |
| 10:16.06 | Sicelo | ~bupbat |
| 10:16.06 | infobot | hmm... bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/Art-2112777-TAIYO-YUDEN-PAS414HR-VA5R-KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90864 |
| 10:16.13 | Sicelo | capsul: ^^ |
| 10:16.57 | Sicelo | get an operator who sends reliable time update (not like bencoh's, :P ) |
| 10:17.16 | Sicelo | you can make your own ntp script.. N900 has ntpdate |
| 10:19.18 | Sicelo | * in the repos |
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| 10:33.29 | capsul | yeah Sicelo :D i will make this , but not now (that will take me a few hours ;) but i try to come back with irssi , but n900 doesn't want know anything about connection .. |
| 10:34.22 | capsul | i have other question :p but i can't askwith this client ^^^ |
| 10:35.59 | capsul | ... just something about root session ... |
| 10:37.37 | capsul | not ... we can launch irssi from xterminal ? |
| 10:37.49 | capsul | not lauch , connect |
| 10:37.54 | capsul | not launch , connect |
| 10:38.10 | bencoh | what ? |
| 10:38.51 | capsul | my irssi didn't work :( |
| 10:39.18 | capsul | it told me [IP of freenode] port 6667 |
| 10:39.29 | capsul | but after , nothing |
| 10:39.53 | Sicelo | irssi works fine one N900. |
| 10:39.55 | capsul | i try to launch with root , with out root , with application ... |
| 10:40.05 | Sicelo | don't run it as root |
| 10:40.08 | capsul | last time yes , but now :/ strange |
| 10:40.13 | bencoh | *never* run irssi as root |
| 10:40.21 | capsul | 3^1^^ |
| 10:40.30 | bencoh | your network might just be blocking this port |
| 10:40.42 | bencoh | network operator* |
| 10:40.46 | capsul | i will try xchat |
| 10:41.38 | capsul | 3^1^with xchat -___- |
| 10:42.08 | capsul | 3s1ame with xchat ... do u know equivalent to iptables ?? |
| 10:42.18 | capsul | same problem with xchat ... do u know equivalent to iptables ?? |
| 10:42.44 | capsul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:42.57 | capsul | sry -_____- about wireless .... |
| 10:43.01 | capsul | 3i1 will be back D |
| 10:43.03 | capsul | 3:1D |
| 10:44.20 | Sicelo | N900 has iptables as well.. but |
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| 10:44.36 | user____ | re ! |
| 10:45.05 | Sicelo | anyway, i would test with telnet to be sure |
| 10:45.26 | capsul | what is telnet ? |
| 10:48.18 | capsul | do u know application similar to julius (speech to text) , on mamemo ? |
| 10:49.01 | capsul | i need to convert mp3 (with speech) to text file |
| 10:50.09 | capsul | and packet suggest by my google search is not right on naemo atp-get |
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| 11:04.47 | jon_y | capsul: telnet is the predecessor of ssh |
| 11:04.55 | jon_y | it connects to tcp ports |
| 11:05.08 | jon_y | sort of like netcat |
| 11:08.06 | capsul | thx jon_y |
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| 11:17.08 | Capsul_Clone | 3d1o you know where i can find channel about irc script1 ?! |
| 11:17.16 | Capsul_Clone | oops |
| 11:17.44 | Luke-Jr | d? |
| 11:18.13 | capsul | i would get out message from people who live/come on channel |
| 11:19.08 | capsul | because my screen is really small and this messages take 2 lines each time |
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| 12:51.43 | stryngs | aria2c available for download for maemo if anyone interested |
| 12:51.47 | stryngs | very fast and does torrents =) |
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| 15:07.16 | Sicelo | Capsul_Clone: most irc clients allow you to turn off joins & parts .. no need for script. xchat & irssi do that |
| 15:41.14 | Ras_Older | irssi <3 |
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| 16:02.40 | stryngs | wishes irssi for maemo had perl support for scripts built-in |
| 16:02.42 | stryngs | =( |
| 16:05.30 | Sicelo | yep.. that was the reason i installed SB, trying to build that... however it's a big PITA to build irssi there .. something to do with the versions of perl in the sdk |
| 16:07.13 | Sicelo | maybe you'll have better luck. |
| 16:14.50 | Sicelo | bug #1954 |
| 16:14.51 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1954 Scratchbox makes building extensions to target Perl, Python etc awkward |
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| 16:46.46 | Sicelo | hmm, seems to be building now :) |
| 16:46.51 | Sicelo | crossing his fingers |
| 16:50.37 | Sicelo | stryngs: seems it's buildable after all.. just needed to understand this better |
| 16:51.02 | Sicelo | Shapeshifter conversations helped a lot -- http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-28.log.html |
| 17:16.07 | Sicelo | now.. learn how to package this properly to help others :) |
| 17:22.14 | Ras_Older | Talking about irssi, I don't mean to brag but "[20:21:45] Irssi: Uptime: 1059d 6h 33m 34s" :'D |
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| 17:22.43 | Sicelo | gawd! |
| 17:24.40 | stryngs | Sicelo hmm |
| 17:24.47 | stryngs | Reading, you have it built with script support now? |
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| 17:28.30 | stryngs | Ras_Older: You haven't rebooted your n900 in 1059days? |
| 17:29.02 | Ras_Older | pfft nah man :D I have my irssi running elsewhere. N900 has to be reboot atleast once a week. |
| 17:29.14 | stryngs | Ah |
| 17:29.32 | stryngs | is attempting to package pip as a .deb |
| 17:30.08 | Sicelo | stryngs: yes. |
| 17:30.55 | stryngs | Sicelo: what syntax did you use if you don't mind? |
| 17:31.00 | stryngs | I'd prefer to build from source as well |
| 17:31.08 | stryngs | Unless your going to upstream to source? |
| 17:31.58 | Sicelo | since you build on N900, you probably don't need anything funky .. otherwise it is just straightforward ./configure --with-perl=module (or yes if you like that) |
| 17:32.17 | stryngs | --with-perl=module |
| 17:32.25 | stryngs | i tried that |
| 17:32.31 | stryngs | --with-perl=module i did not try |
| 17:32.35 | stryngs | one sec, lemme grab source |
| 17:33.05 | Sicelo | i want to try build 0.8.17 now. had built 0.8.14 |
| 17:34.50 | stryngs | checking for working Perl support... error linking with perl libraries, building without Perl |
| 17:35.09 | stryngs | ../configure --prefix=/usr --with-perl=yes |
| 17:35.13 | stryngs | for 0.8.17 |
| 17:35.43 | stryngs | Building with Perl support ....... : NO! - Error linking with perl libraries: -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE -lperl -ldl -lm -lpthread -lcrypt: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 17:35.47 | stryngs | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status - Try: sudo apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 17:35.51 | stryngs | E: Couldn't find package libperl-dev |
| 17:36.04 | Sicelo | check your repos |
| 17:36.39 | stryngs | got all 3 enabled, i wonder if in sb, and if in sb, then is it proper for the n900 or if it will look for /scratchbox |
| 17:36.41 | Sicelo | you need the SDK repo |
| 17:36.59 | stryngs | Yeah, but sometimes when going for sdk it demands /scratchbox when executing binaries |
| 17:37.02 | stryngs | ill try |
| 17:37.39 | stryngs | Heh, my main thing right now is I want to apt-get install pip =) |
| 17:37.44 | stryngs | but im having to do easy_install |
| 17:37.47 | stryngs | build pip |
| 17:37.52 | stryngs | and trace all files created |
| 17:37.56 | stryngs | royal pain in the ass |
| 17:38.58 | stryngs | I tell u what though, yesterday was the first time I ever saw the value added benefit of scratchbox |
| 17:39.06 | stryngs | It took my n900 over 3 hrs to compile aria2c |
| 17:39.09 | stryngs | 3 hrs! |
| 17:39.36 | Sicelo | glad you're getting somewhere :) |
| 17:39.49 | stryngs | yeah, but i prolly will have to go with SB one day |
| 17:40.06 | stryngs | The confounding part for me is the Depends: line for packages |
| 17:40.18 | stryngs | Not sure how to trace what u need when building on another box |
| 17:40.24 | Sicelo | i don't see any problem with SB. does what it was meant for really |
| 17:40.37 | stryngs | I do all my development on the same box, so i just make a meta package that contains a list of all debs installed on my system =) |
| 17:40.54 | stryngs | Do you create .debs Sicelo? |
| 17:41.03 | stryngs | If so I would really love some of your input then |
| 17:41.15 | Sicelo | no. i don't know all that. i'm reading up on it just now. |
| 17:41.20 | stryngs | Ah |
| 17:41.22 | stryngs | It's confounding |
| 17:41.27 | stryngs | I do it the "cheater" way |
| 17:41.28 | stryngs | but it works |
| 17:41.33 | stryngs | heres a quick 123 |
| 17:41.40 | Sicelo | lol. doesn't seem so from the little i've got so far |
| 17:42.13 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO has some nice steps |
| 17:42.30 | stryngs | grab source, cd to source, mkdir build, cd build, ../configure --prefix=/usr, make, make install DESTDIR=/root/deb, cd /root/deb, mkdir DEBIAN, cd DEBIAN, create your control file, cd /root, dpkg-deb -b deb . |
| 17:44.24 | stryngs | wow, thats dead simple |
| 17:44.32 | stryngs | heh, wish i could have found that sooner |
| 17:44.37 | stryngs | I just wish it could run native =) |
| 17:44.38 | Sicelo | hehe |
| 17:44.44 | stryngs | the proper package building and all |
| 17:45.51 | Sicelo | SB is faster.. don't know why I'd want to build natively. |
| 17:46.04 | stryngs | Because I build in my offtime at work |
| 17:46.14 | stryngs | and I don't bring my laptop to work |
| 17:46.17 | stryngs | But my n900 is just a phone |
| 17:46.20 | stryngs | .... =) |
| 17:46.41 | stryngs | little bit of putty and some ssh, and im on the n900 |
| 17:46.41 | Sicelo | can ssh to your box at home? |
| 17:47.02 | stryngs | my buildbox is my laptop and that is always beside me in my backpack |
| 17:47.04 | stryngs | BUT, that might be an idea |
| 17:47.11 | stryngs | creating a VM to pop to just for this... |
| 17:47.12 | stryngs | hmm |
| 17:47.40 | Sicelo | i have vm for it as well, although i probably couldhave installed 'natively' |
| 17:48.03 | stryngs | yeah, i dont like how it interacts with / which is the "main" reason its not on my current OS |
| 17:48.26 | stryngs | the 2nd part was I never really found a good howto for building .debs before, until u showed me this for the n900 specifically |
| 17:48.31 | stryngs | The main part that confounds me is this though |
| 17:48.49 | stryngs | needed packages and whatnot |
| 17:48.56 | stryngs | how do u know what to put on the Depends line =) |
| 17:50.01 | stryngs | even that tutorial says "Figuring out Build-Depends: is currently left as an exercise for the reader |
| 17:50.51 | stryngs | But, I must say, having been shown this little treasure, I have no excuse not to create an ssh'able SB now |
| 17:51.46 | Sicelo | great. |
| 17:52.03 | stryngs | Hah, i've built so much for the damn n900 already natively |
| 17:54.40 | stryngs | curl http://termbin.com/ykuo |
| 17:54.41 | stryngs | =) |
| 17:54.46 | stryngs | is proud of his collection |
| 17:59.15 | M4rtinK | stryngs: willing to build a small thing for me when you are at it ? :) |
| 17:59.40 | stryngs | whats that? |
| 17:59.55 | stryngs | I can build natievly all day long, just depends if the depends are in place |
| 18:00.00 | stryngs | likes being helpful |
| 18:00.35 | M4rtinK | my Maemo 5 SDK is kinda toast at the moment, so it would really help :) |
| 18:00.45 | M4rtinK | basically this: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/pyotherside |
| 18:01.17 | M4rtinK | it needs Qt 5 & Python, both of which should be available |
| 18:01.23 | M4rtinK | *Python 3 |
| 18:01.40 | M4rtinK | Python 3 is IIRC even in Extras-Devel |
| 18:02.05 | M4rtinK | as for Qt 5: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5 |
| 18:02.05 | stryngs | http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/pyotherside-1.3.0.tar.gz |
| 18:02.07 | stryngs | that? |
| 18:02.11 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 18:02.21 | M4rtinK | it is kinda tiny actually |
| 18:02.33 | M4rtinK | as for why I need it |
| 18:02.54 | M4rtinK | it is a dependency for the Qt 5 GUI of the modRana navigation system |
| 18:03.21 | M4rtinK | so far only the GTK & old Qt 4 based GUI can run on the N900 |
| 18:03.39 | M4rtinK | and I can't PyOtherSide myself due to the broken SDK |
| 18:04.15 | stryngs | I think I tried to build something that required qmake a while back |
| 18:04.31 | stryngs | and i had those same issues, the project wasn't a necessity, so i just put it off to the side |
| 18:04.42 | stryngs | And since I rock 9gb on /, i wouldn't mind having access to it honestly |
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| 18:16.25 | user | evening all |
| 18:16.43 | stryngs | hi |
| 18:16.55 | user | hi stryngs |
| 18:17.51 | user | i looking for API wich can translate audio speech file (mp3) to text |
| 18:18.09 | user | i'm looking for API wich can translate audio speech file (mp3) to text |
| 18:18.29 | user | do you know something about this ? |
| 18:19.26 | user | i think it's my best chance to can translate my english book of magic :) |
| 18:21.30 | user | i can't scan all page of book .. too long and boring :( but if i read for after translate ! that is wonderful , i will can train my english too |
| 18:23.05 | Sicelo | has no idea. you will be doing this on N900? |
| 18:25.06 | stryngs | recommends Siri |
| 18:25.08 | stryngs | =) |
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| 18:28.28 | Sicelo | haha |
| 18:32.53 | stryngs | capsul: Do NOT let Siri know you are using an N900 though, she'll go crazy and try to kill you. |
| 18:32.56 | stryngs | True story |
| 18:33.05 | capsul | yess with n900 ;) but i download saera and ... very diffult to use it when u are frenchee with wonderful accent -__- |
| 18:33.47 | capsul | it use little ..... spoon???! |
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| 19:15.30 | Sicelo | stryngs: if you'd like to get the irssi i've built, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1443068#post1443068 |
| 19:16.13 | stryngs | cool |
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| 19:27.10 | Sicelo | I see I don't have a .desktop file, so no shortcut in applications menu |
| 19:27.16 | Sicelo | meh.. will do that later |
| 19:31.36 | Sicelo | and also have to optify |
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| 21:13.38 | Sicelo | Sicelo900: ping |
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| 21:14.24 | Sicelo | Sicelo900: ping |
| 21:15.23 | Sicelo900 | great ;) irssi can now do notifications via script |
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| 21:21.28 | Sicelo | Sicelo900: ping |
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| 21:46.36 | Sicelo | ~emc |
| 21:50.10 | Sicelo | ~emmc |
| 21:50.11 | infobot | i heard emmc is is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin or see ~emmc2 |
| 21:50.31 | sixwheeledbeast | ~emmc51 |
| 21:50.33 | sixwheeledbeast | :( |
| 21:50.48 | Sicelo | what was supposed to be there sixwheeledbeast? |
| 21:51.15 | sixwheeledbeast | merely a joke on ~emmc* ;) |
| 21:52.04 | Sicelo | hehe |
| 21:52.14 | sixwheeledbeast | I expect everyone to have there own ~emmc factiod/dropbox link eventually... |
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| 21:57.05 | M4rtinK | haven't know N900 has an EMC Symetrix inside :) |
| 21:57.12 | M4rtinK | *known ;-) |
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| 22:04.39 | kerio | why the fuck are you even flashing emmc |
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| 22:18.38 | sixwheeledbeast | to clear other peoples crap off it, for example. |
| 22:25.11 | jon_y | ~emmc2 |
| 22:25.12 | infobot | methinks emmc2 is http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22FGDOJCSI/--LID--FiRe1275064390175/163EC1AE_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.IBERIA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22VHGOMWUG/--LID--FiRe1274862877184/E3AD4912_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.SEAP_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, or see emmc3 |
| 22:25.33 | jon_y | what's in the emmc? |
| 22:33.14 | kerio | jon_y: ads |
| 22:33.24 | kerio | and informations about partitioning |
| 22:33.54 | kerio | mbr, vfat partition mounted as /home/user/mydocs, extfs partition mounted as /home, swap partition |
| 22:33.57 | kerio | in this order |
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| 22:35.40 | Sicelo900 | kerio: ads such as? |
| 22:36.46 | jon_y | kerio: are all the ~emmc* clean? |
| 22:37.35 | jon_y | and do I need to flash the correct region? |
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| 23:23.25 | Pali | somebody could create generataror of partition lauout format (as n900 softupd flash server could accept) and add default configuration to 0xFFFF |
| 23:23.36 | Pali | and also implement mmc flashing in 0xFFFF |
| 23:23.45 | Pali | and we can get rid of eMMC image |
| 23:24.36 | Pali | (0xFFFF could generate in that case "empty" vfat image, correct partition layout on the fly and sent it via usb to n900 softupd flash server) |
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