| 00:23.24 | Oksana | When you insist on 2.7 you will have to compile some of the require modules yourself. Also, some key modules like pypcap have to be patched before they can be compiled with python 2.7 |
| 00:29.08 | Oksana | https://packages.debian.org/sid/python-scapy |
| 00:29.43 | Oksana | I am not an expert... Just hoping that searching helps. |
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| 08:21.35 | brolin_empey | Months ago (already at least 1 year ago?), someone in this channel mentioned a model of pocket computer with converged telephony capability that ran the Android OS and had an integrated hardware keyboard. It was not a myTouch but I cannot even remember the brand name. |
| 08:23.09 | brolin_empey | And no, it was not the Nokia N900 with NITdroid. :-P It shipped with the Android OS pre-installed. |
| 08:27.15 | brolin_empey | Trying to find something that far back in my log is difficult with Quassel. I should use an IRC client that uses plain text log files but switching IRC clients again is never my top-priority task. |
| 08:34.25 | Luke-Jr | brolin_empey: pdadb might help |
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| 08:51.35 | bencoh | brolin_empey: some motorola maybe |
| 08:51.46 | bencoh | I think there are still a few with hwkbd |
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| 13:34.49 | stryngs | Does anyone know why python-scapy only install for python 2.5 on maemo? |
| 13:39.23 | Wikiwide | Maybe, python 2.6 is fine, too. Python 2.7 is a bit different. But that's from reading about scapy-python2.7 troubles on Windows... |
| 13:40.48 | stryngs | Um... That still doesnt say why? |
| 13:48.37 | kerio | stryngs: because that's what python-scapy installs the library for |
| 13:48.55 | stryngs | right, so its because it was built that way, scapy... |
| 13:48.59 | stryngs | it was built for 2.5 |
| 13:49.10 | stryngs | i see usr/share/python-support/python-scapy.public line 1 says 2.5 |
| 13:50.28 | stryngs | kerio: So is it a safe bet to assume anything in the repo for python is pretty much for 2.5? |
| 13:50.39 | kerio | yes |
| 13:50.49 | stryngs | Heh, why not 2.7? |
| 13:50.59 | stryngs | And why is it not listed as such under the control file? |
| 14:06.22 | sixwheeledbeast | brolin_empey: have you tried the search option on mg.pov.lt ? |
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| 16:11.46 | brolin_empey | sixwheeledbeast: No. I expected someone to mention a channel log on the Web; I did not mention such a log because I badly needed to relocate myself to my bed. |
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| 16:33.21 | brolin_empey | Luke-Jr: bencoh: sixwheeledbeast: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:QWERTY_mobile_phones&oldid=604823474 may help too. |
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| 18:34.34 | FatPhil | \o hands up who thinks the internet connection manager is pants, in particular if it's remembered lots of access points |
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| 18:43.50 | sixwheeledbeast | yep but it's closed |
| 18:59.43 | freemangordon | FatPhil: Hi man, where you've been? Are you ok? |
| 19:03.21 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: is that iapd? |
| 19:04.28 | sixwheeledbeast | icd2? |
| 19:04.55 | freemangordon | oh, yeah |
| 19:05.14 | freemangordon | or rather - "oh, maybe" :) |
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| 22:24.29 | FatPhil | freemangordon: It's been a crazy year. Job situation went from ups to lows to ups again. |
| 22:24.58 | FatPhil | Now I'm working for a company with 3 full time developers, so the pressure is higher than ever |
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| 22:30.02 | freemangordon | FatPhil: glad you're employed again. Honestly, I have no idea how will I react (and feel) if I lose my job. |
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| 22:32.04 | FatPhil | Had some good beer-tourism trips while I was unemployed, but that can't last for ever |
| 22:33.49 | freemangordon | FatPhil: just gimme enough money and I can try to make it last forever :) |
| 22:34.05 | freemangordon | or at least while I am alive |
| 22:34.16 | ShadowJK | What kind of stuff do you guys do for a living? |
| 22:34.43 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: well, I am principal SW engineer |
| 22:35.09 | freemangordon | that means that I do everything - from goding to architecting, to QA, etc |
| 22:35.16 | freemangordon | *coding |
| 22:36.11 | FatPhil | Had a month (february, I *think*) where pretty much every night I was in a different hostel. I really got disoriented. Several mornings I woke up, saw the ceiling, and thought "where the fuck am I?!?!" |
| 22:37.08 | FatPhil | Now back working for an open source project again, as a paid job, which is about perfect when it comes to me. |
| 22:37.50 | ShadowJK | Speaking of beer-tourism, I want to get my hands on Stallhagen 1843. A few years ago, divers off of the coast of Aaland discovered a shipwreck laden with hundreds of bottles of champagne, and a few bottles of beer |
| 22:38.59 | ShadowJK | Those beer bottles were distributed to laboratories for analysis, and now they believe they've recreated it :-) |
| 22:39.18 | FatPhil | Stallhagen have made a beer from the yeast sample, yes |
| 22:39.27 | ShadowJK | Well |
| 22:40.04 | ShadowJK | They found that bacteria played just as big a role as yeast |
| 22:40.37 | ShadowJK | And that hops was not used for bitter and not for aroma |
| 22:41.25 | ShadowJK | The yeasts present were very diverse, suggesting spontaneous wild yeast fermentation :) |
| 22:42.31 | ShadowJK | I dunno, but it sounds like the reccreated beer is actually brewed in belgium, with a controlled wild yeast mix and bacteria strains, and sold under Stallhagen brand? |
| 22:42.45 | FatPhil | I've not seen it on sale |
| 22:42.50 | ShadowJK | Yes |
| 22:43.38 | FatPhil | A friend visited me from Finland just today -and brouhgt a Stallhagen beer. Alas it was just their strong lager. |
| 22:43.47 | ShadowJK | On their website they only say that it's currently available on Viking (A passenger/cruise ship company) |
| 22:43.55 | FatPhil | I know viking line |
| 22:44.20 | ShadowJK | It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually brewed in Belgium |
| 22:44.55 | FatPhil | I never use them to go to Finland as the times of their boats are bollocks. However, if that's true, I'll hit a viking line boat next time I travel |
| 22:45.28 | FatPhil | By "Belgium", you men "Proef"? |
| 22:46.01 | ShadowJK | When I spoke to Stallhagen's brewmaster last year, he was apalled at the "boom" of sours, saying his fellow brewers were risking contaminating their plants "forever" |
| 22:46.30 | ShadowJK | So, it wouldn't surprise me if he would refuse to use bacteria :) |
| 22:47.29 | FatPhil | All of the sours are just "chuck in a packet of Brett" |
| 22:48.15 | ShadowJK | Do I mean lambic? |
| 22:48.57 | FatPhil | lambic is a sour with a blend of yeasts including brett, but also some lactobacillus and other flora |
| 22:49.33 | ShadowJK | Yeah I think he was very averse of letting lactobacillus anywhere near his stuff |
| 22:49.38 | FatPhil | sorry #maemo, /me's a beer nerd |
| 22:50.21 | ShadowJK | But mind, though I had never heard of it, Stallhagen had apparently had a big contamination incident months prior to that |
| 22:50.23 | FatPhil | With modern closed fermentation vessels, there's little risk, as they're steam-cleaned, and nothing carries from bew to brew. |
| 22:51.24 | FatPhil | which is the opposite of how it works in traditional lambic breweries, such as Cantillon, who depend on the flora living in their building |
| 22:51.45 | freemangordon | ~topic |
| 22:52.06 | freemangordon | ~infobot: topic is beer |
| 22:52.18 | freemangordon | ~ping |
| 22:52.18 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:52.21 | FatPhil | loves "wild" ales where the sourness comes from the terroir of the individual breweries, and sneers upon those who just "chuck in a Bret cube" |
| 22:52.51 | ShadowJK | Well :) |
| 22:53.05 | FatPhil | Anyway, if you hate the connection manager, as I do. This is what I wrote yesterday: |
| 22:53.37 | FatPhil | WlanClear at http://fatphil.org/linux/maemo/ |
| 22:54.00 | ShadowJK | Since Chinook, which was the first maemo I used, I've liked the connection manager. It works better than any windows, android, or jolla device I currently own. :-) |
| 22:54.24 | FatPhil | You would not believ how slow the connections manager is when you have about 60 APs |
| 22:54.26 | freemangordon | FatPhil: are you aware that ARM hexrays has leaked? |
| 22:54.54 | FatPhil | freemangordon: not been paying attention to anything low level for a while |
| 22:55.03 | ShadowJK | FatPhil, well from my point of view, I'm happy if it can handle 2 APs... which most other stuff fails at :-( |
| 22:55.14 | freemangordon | well then, AR hexrays is out in the wild |
| 22:55.21 | freemangordon | *ARM |
| 22:55.40 | freemangordon | and it is beautiful |
| 22:55.51 | FatPhil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.14 | ShadowJK | the irc app on jolla has frustrating feature where it tears down connection and reconnects if I move from AP1 range to AP2 range |
| 22:56.53 | ShadowJK | my xchat setup on N900 (and N810) seamlessly roams between APs, and mobile interwebs :D |
| 22:59.06 | ShadowJK | Dunno if Linux Desktop if fixed now, but back in 2009 when I obtained N900, trivial things like static IP was impossible through network manager |
| 22:59.41 | FatPhil | there were many flaws with the n900. Least bad is where I place it. |
| 23:00.03 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: well, on ubuntu (12.04 and 14.04) those work pretty much ok |
| 23:00.14 | FatPhil | I have enough spares to last me for a decade. I doubt anything better will appear in the next decade |
| 23:00.28 | freemangordon | FatPhil: install cssu-thumb at last, please |
| 23:00.45 | FatPhil | freemangordon: I am obn cssu-thumb |
| 23:00.50 | freemangordon | oh :) |
| 23:01.08 | ShadowJK | I've sometimes left N900 at home |
| 23:01.18 | ShadowJK | But I find myself needing it |
| 23:01.23 | freemangordon | FatPhil: and still not satisfied? |
| 23:01.24 | FatPhil | last time we talked, probably last yeaer when I was at Samsung, I put it on my primary device. |
| 23:01.25 | ShadowJK | .. and bringing it with me again |
| 23:01.38 | FatPhil | and it works *great* |
| 23:01.51 | freemangordon | :) |
| 23:01.53 | freemangordon | thanks |
| 23:02.27 | FatPhil | I'm trying to persuade my g/f to convert to it, but she can't even get onto the plain CSSU at the moment. Repo problems |
| 23:03.52 | FatPhil | "I think I'm sorted", she now says |
| 23:04.21 | freemangordon | FatPhil: comeon, bring her here. i will convince her :) |
| 23:04.43 | freemangordon | no, really there is a big diffference |
| 23:05.59 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 23:05.59 | infobot | i heard fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 23:06.05 | FatPhil | One *HUGE MOTHERFUCKING NEGATIVE* of whatever I'm runnning now is that it takes about 3 hours for the camera to start after sliding the ens cover. |
| 23:06.10 | FatPhil | +l |
| 23:06.21 | freemangordon | whaaat? |
| 23:06.37 | FatPhil | 3.2.1. opening slider now |
| 23:07.01 | FatPhil | view appears now |
| 23:07.05 | freemangordon | 6 seconds |
| 23:07.20 | freemangordon | (for HD video) |
| 23:07.22 | FatPhil | OK, not three hours, maybe about 15-20s |
| 23:07.27 | FatPhil | still |
| 23:07.45 | freemangordon | swap on uSD? |
| 23:08.40 | FatPhil | swaps says mmcblk0p3, and it's not much used |
| 23:08.40 | ShadowJK | Grabbed my N900, about 5s |
| 23:08.57 | freemangordon | that is about normal |
| 23:09.05 | ShadowJK | I did notice myself that the new camera thing starts slower than the original nokia |
| 23:09.15 | FatPhil | g/f's previous standard nokia image would be 3s. |
| 23:09.17 | freemangordon | my uptime right now is about 5 days |
| 23:09.33 | freemangordon | (a little bit more) |
| 23:09.36 | ShadowJK | 22 days |
| 23:09.59 | freemangordon | but this it my only phone |
| 23:10.12 | FatPhil | this thing, I can go to the bar, get another beer, queue for a piss, pass out, get back to my table, go to the bar and ask "has anyone seen my phone", before the camera wakes up |
| 23:10.49 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: latest cssu-testing or -thumb? |
| 23:10.57 | ShadowJK | -thumb |
| 23:11.11 | freemangordon | ok |
| 23:11.25 | freemangordon | and what was the stock camera start time? |
| 23:11.30 | FatPhil | while I was at Nokia, anything less than a month was considered unacceptable uptime. (Amongst the kernel team) |
| 23:11.32 | ShadowJK | No idea. :-) |
| 23:11.52 | ShadowJK | FatPhil, I never managed a month with stock kernel |
| 23:12.01 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: see :) |
| 23:12.02 | ShadowJK | The I/O stall bug always hit me before that |
| 23:12.11 | ShadowJK | It still hits me |
| 23:12.17 | ShadowJK | but not as often |
| 23:12.45 | ShadowJK | iirc before previous reboot, I was at around 90 days |
| 23:12.48 | FatPhil | OK, I've got 21.2011.38.38-1Tmaemo9.1+thumb1, flavour: testing here |
| 23:12.56 | freemangordon | FatPhil: sorry, but I don;t think n900 was ever testd as it should be |
| 23:13.02 | freemangordon | yep, the latest |
| 23:13.22 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, I would say stock camera starts up in 2s :-) |
| 23:13.28 | freemangordon | really? |
| 23:13.36 | FatPhil | by design, yes |
| 23:13.58 | freemangordon | hmm, maybe we should spit on nicolai then :) |
| 23:14.11 | FatPhil | In the kernel team some of us did get 90 day uptimes during the "use it as your daily device" testing period |
| 23:14.14 | ShadowJK | Nicocam certainly feels much heavier |
| 23:14.43 | freemangordon | well, it does more things as well |
| 23:14.55 | freemangordon | not that I say that 2x uptime is ok |
| 23:15.49 | ShadowJK | FatPhil, the IO stall thing is very werid |
| 23:15.59 | ShadowJK | Were you guys ever aware of it? |
| 23:16.04 | ShadowJK | or tracking it... |
| 23:16.14 | freemangordon | but here we hit the problem with the lack of manpower |
| 23:16.49 | ShadowJK | Despite nicocam starting slower, I would still rather have N900 for that critical picture taking, than Jolla |
| 23:16.53 | FatPhil | manpower is not the solution to most problems. it's part of the problem in some companies. |
| 23:17.00 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:17.01 | ShadowJK | so true |
| 23:17.27 | freemangordon | are you sure ? |
| 23:17.31 | ShadowJK | Well |
| 23:17.38 | ShadowJK | There's optimal manpower |
| 23:17.55 | FatPhil | optimise to redce deadwood |
| 23:17.56 | ShadowJK | Less is worse, more is worse |
| 23:17.58 | freemangordon | with on y one man chasing all the bugs for the last.. lets say an year? |
| 23:18.17 | freemangordon | really, check on gitorious |
| 23:18.30 | FatPhil | if you inherit a large codebase, all bets are off |
| 23:18.41 | ShadowJK | Last reboot of my N900 was caused by "spurious emmc I/O error" |
| 23:18.48 | ShadowJK | haha, for sure |
| 23:18.49 | FatPhil | which is why simple programs that do one thing well are vital |
| 23:19.10 | freemangordon | here https://gitorious.org/community-ssu |
| 23:19.11 | FatPhil | which is why systemd is the sperm of satan |
| 23:19.39 | ShadowJK | I'm sort of happy I am no longer in software, but then again, I find the same issues in my current $work as well |
| 23:23.25 | FatPhil | pressure in a 3-dev company is as high as it's ever been. Latest target is to do what 2 fortune-500 companies and an Ivy-league university spent 1000-man-years on, and do it better. |
| 23:23.35 | FatPhil | I have 6 weeks. |
| 23:24.00 | FatPhil | so I'm working tomorrow. |
| 23:24.04 | FatPhil | night all |
| 23:27.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ~slay systemd |
| 23:27.46 | infobot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head. |
| 23:46.26 | *** join/#maemo jonwil (~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au) |