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00:58.53solrizeis this place dead?
01:00.03jonwilis here :)
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03:28.33Oksanasolrize: What's the question?
03:29.44solrizewhether the place is dead?  oh the earlier question, whether there's a way to set the time on an n9 over the internet without a sim card.  the n900 was able to do that.  but, looking on talk.maemo.org it looks like the answer is to download some ntp client program that's not included on the n9
03:29.54solrizealso wondering how difficult it is to swap an n9 battery
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04:16.28OksanaI cannot set time on N950 in any way. SIM card, WiFi, manually... It still has outlandish date and time. To be fair, I use Nemo Mobile, old-ish version (February of 2014).
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04:31.04internetishardI vaguely remember that you could recover an email password in cleartext somewhere on n900s
04:31.08internetishardI forgot where thouhg
04:33.25internetishardain't here: file:///home/user/.rt-accounts/accounts.cfg
04:33.53Oksanasolrize: It should not be difficult to swap a battery. It is neither glued into the phone nor soldered to it, right? Though, it is easier on N900.
04:33.55Oksanainternetishard : /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg
04:34.43internetishardOksana: I see no passwds there
04:36.27OksanaThe bug was fixed-closed a long time ago. Couldn't reproduce in PR1.1.1 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8146
04:36.31povbot04Bug 8146: .rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg storing SIP & IM passwords as plain text
04:36.43internetishardYep... I remember being able to find the email password though
04:36.53internetishardI've an old account I want to recover
04:37.36OksanaTry file:///home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg . Did you take any back-ups?
04:38.30internetishardwhat's the difference.. that's the same link
04:39.08internetishardOksana: ya I've a system backup from nov2012
04:39.52OksanaMaybe, an old copy of the file contains the password? How difficult is it to browse the contents of system backup?
04:41.23inzinternetishard, try gconftool-2 -R /apps/modest/server_accounts
04:43.43inzinternetishard, or alternatively file:///var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/server_accounts
04:44.01internetishardinz: tnx, you're a lifesaver
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05:11.30solrizeOksana, thanks, yeah i get the impression that replacing the battery if it goes bad isn't too hard, but swapping a discharged one for a charged one is not really practical.  does that sound about right, i.e. do you need to open the phone with a screwdriver to change the battery?
05:11.50solrizei don't think i could stand having a daily use phone where i can't carry a spare battery to swap in as needed
05:12.44solrizeso i still use my e63 for most phone stuff and an n900 for occasional mobile internet, and just take out the n9 and look at it once in a while :)
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05:26.27jonwilMy N900 is my only phone
05:26.29jonwiland I use it all the time
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05:44.25Oksana:) My current thoughts on battery charging are: built-in Qi wireless charging inside backcover, pocketable Qi charging station which takes current from USB, and on-table solar panels at home and at work (solar panels convert ambient light into battery charge 24/7, then quickly share stored charge with Qi-phone as needed).
05:46.06OksanaAt work, lamps are switched on even at night. Energy lost... And I could carry one solar panel on my backpack, too.
05:46.16OksanaBut that's only a dream.
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06:59.27deepyIs there any software to let me send texts from my PC?
07:00.15jonwilNot as far as I know
07:03.45todd1http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/4016/ haven't tried though
07:06.20todd1^and I didn't notice that it can't send, it seems
07:06.32deepyIn a fit of rage I decided to not use my incredibly stupidly slow Android phone and the only two things I'm missing is the ability to type åäö (in a non-annoying way) and the ability to send texts from my PC
07:06.42deepyBut that's no biggie, it just means I have to make such a software
07:07.19deepyI don't suppose I can change the keyboard binding just for a certain app?
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07:49.12deepyis there any /working/ twitter client?
07:50.12jonwilas far as I know no there is not
07:51.41deepySomeone should write one
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08:09.46keriodeepy: why for a certain app?
08:09.52keriochange your xkb layout
08:10.22bencoh?
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08:16.53infobothmm... awesome-keymap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping
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13:49.28KapSuLsalut tout lmonde
13:49.31KapSuLhello
13:50.13KapSuLtrying (again ,and again , and again;) to flash his N900
13:53.24KapSuLmy computeur (ubuntu 14.04) with Flasher V2.5.2 , stay to 'Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
13:53.59KapSuLnothing when i press the 'u' key , only nokia screen and orange led for charging
13:55.42wndiirc you'll have to turn the device on (and mayhaps press some key; I've never pressed a key on the keyboard because of flasher)
13:57.36KapSuLur suggest is to try with another key ?
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14:01.27KapSuLimpossible :(
14:01.53KapSuLi follow all steps , all video , tryed to understand all google link
14:01.56KapSuLbut nothing :(
14:02.16KapSuLmy computeur doesn't want detect my phone
14:02.21KapSuLnokia N900
14:02.38KapSuLpardon for smiley'
14:05.06KapSuLi make this because i just buy it , and QT4 library is not here , so lot of application can't be install from application center ...
14:05.12stryngsBehold.  CookieJack.sh arrived into this world at 10:01 EST.  106 lines and 335 words.  That's a healthy little script.  Cuddle the little bugger at ethicalreporting.org/CookieJack.sh
14:06.56KapSuL2.2009.51-1.205.1 VERSION ..
14:09.16bencohwhat does lsusb say ?
14:14.27KapSuLnice reflexion , thx , 1 sec
14:19.21KapSuLhttp://pastebin.com/M4U9K0Pu bencoh
14:21.00KapSuLno detect him
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14:23.06bencohdoes it charge if plugged to a wallcharger ?
14:30.43KapSuLwhen i plug phone to wall with adaptator charger it's ok
14:30.46KapSuLthat charge
14:31.00KapSuLbut when i plug to usb on my computeur
14:31.44KapSuLnothing when i try to flash ==> thx bencoh for lsusb , nothing to new : http://pastebin.com/M4U9K0Pu
14:33.34KapSuLi think after irc , i will go try to forum ;)
14:33.48KapSuLbecause 1 week , with lot of help by maemo community
14:34.24KapSuLbut nothing , nokia n900 from singapore/ebay doesn't want to be flashed
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14:37.28KapSuLare CapsuL
14:38.03CapsuLare KapsuL
14:50.18bencohn900 from singapore ?
14:50.21bencohis that a "real" one ?
14:57.17sixwheeledbeastCapsuL: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90799
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15:10.01freemangordonCapsuL: is your n900 being detected at all when connected to PC? (with maemo booted that is)
15:10.52freemangordonCapsuL: does USB port on the PC you're connecting your n900 work? did you try with another USB cable?
15:20.52CapsuLi was try with new canble from the closed box with phone . but i will try if i find one other
15:22.05CapsuLand orange LED make signal when it is plug to computer (phone is down, when it is up nothing)
15:24.05freemangordonit charges
15:24.22freemangordonseems USB port on your n900 does not function
15:24.25freemangordon:(
15:26.06CapsuLhi freemangordon :)
15:26.21CapsuL.....
15:26.41CapsuLu think my problem from hardware?
15:27.04freemangordonyep. we just need to find which HW is at fault
15:27.30CapsuLHW ?!
15:27.55freemangordonhardware
15:29.33CapsuLi am condamned to stay with my stone age version
15:30.29freemangordonCapsuL: most probably you can do OTA upgrade to a different version from within Maemo, but with that faulty USB port, I'd say it is a bit risky
15:30.45freemangordonCapsuL: but first, make sure USB port on your PC works
15:30.57freemangordonas does the cable
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15:31.44CapsuLyes the cable ... biecause usb port work nice on my pc , mouse work with all
15:32.03freemangordonCapsuL: mouse is USB 1.1 device
15:32.15freemangordonor even 1.0
15:32.46CapsuLhmmm
15:33.21CapsuLi will be back
15:33.24CapsuLthx
15:33.32CapsuLis away: I'm busy
15:35.43CapsuLhooooo yeahhh
15:36.04CapsuLthank s you for ur light
15:36.34CapsuLi change cable and its first time i see option for usb stockage
15:37.00freemangordonoh man, you're lucky :D
15:37.17freemangordonso, the HW at fault seems to be the cable
15:40.18freemangordonCapsuL: try with that "new" cable to flash
15:50.59CapsuLsure :)
15:55.01CapsuLstress is back , so firmware > EMMC > firmware
15:55.06CapsuLright ?
15:57.21CapsuLokok:) see u fast i hope
15:57.27CapsuLand thx for all
16:10.01drathirstill the flash problems?
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16:10.36quentin__Congrulation
16:11.02quentin__nokia phone is correctly flashed
16:11.07quentin__thanks u so much
16:11.12quentin__kiss kiss
16:11.22quentin__love love
16:11.31drathircausing proble,?
16:11.35quentin__green grass and little white rabbit for all !
16:11.59quentin__5 days i come here all day/night for ask help
16:12.03quentin__and finally
16:12.07quentin__:)
16:12.23drathirreally the cable fault?
16:13.00freemangordonthat was the last problem
16:13.09quentin__yes :)
16:13.10bencohneat :)
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16:13.44bencohhmm, qml doesnt look that bad on n900
16:13.47quentin__all of this for a chess game ...
16:13.48quentin__:D
16:13.56bencohI expected much worse/slower
16:14.14drathirquentin__: that You reallu lucky one... the broken cable i think the last thing possible to be broken... ;p
16:14.36bencohquentin__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/quotes?item=qt0453844 ;p
16:15.10quentin__capsul
16:15.52drathirthe n900 in my opinion have the fast transfer rates from phones i ever used...
16:16.03bencohtransfer rates ?
16:16.18drathirbencoh: yes usb transfer rates...
16:16.26bencohoh, usb
16:16.47drathireven flashing fast like the light...
16:18.55drathirbencoh: first time when doin full reflash im almost was sure the process not sucessful even that written all ok, because of to fast done...
16:19.27bencoh:)
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16:34.50timelesshello world
16:34.58timelessanyone have suggestions about working SIP providers?
16:35.07timeless(and SIP clients for various mobile platforms)
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16:53.31todd1have any of you re-soldered your USB port, or know how?
16:55.02honestly~usbfix
16:55.02infobothmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
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16:57.04todd1I have read. I'm looking for anyone with experience. this one is broken, so I need to re-connect the pins, not just reinforce to the PCB
16:58.19todd1and I find the proposed fix in the thread a little unsatisfactory. I'm surprised if it isn't possible without cables.
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17:12.39drathirtimeless: symbian have sip, and n900 too but not tested...
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17:13.51drathirtoo not yet fixed usb...
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17:37.14quentingood evening :)
17:37.45quentindo you know something about catalog ? from maemo fremantle ?
17:37.54quentinextras-devels is down ?
17:38.26bencohdoesnt look down to me
17:38.31quentini try to add this catalog (extras-devels) but it give me error
17:38.34quentinhmm
17:38.36bencoh(I apt-get updated a few hours ago)
17:38.44bencohI dunno about HAM catalog though
17:38.51quentinok thx bencoh
17:39.07quentinbut i put Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
17:39.14quentinin "new catalog"
17:39.25quentinwith fremantle and free non-free
17:40.31quentinhttp://repository.maemo.org/extas-devel/dists/fremantle/../../packages 404 Not Found
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17:47.19quentini delete it and try again to add
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17:49.38quentin4 catalog is down !
17:49.44quentinmaemo.org
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17:50.02quentinextras ; extras-testing ; extras-devel
17:50.04quentin:'(
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18:03.02quentinthat told me "catalogs with stranded"
18:03.10quentinfor 4 catalog !
18:03.29quentinmaemo.org / Extras;-devel;-testiong
18:04.12quentinlast time i ask help :p
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18:18.44quentinskeiron put mirror for catalog
18:19.15quentin6 month ago
18:19.30quentini hope it's not down
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18:20.14quentinon HAM nokia n900
18:20.33quentinnooo :(
18:20.37iamtheoneiamrepository.memo.org is working quentin
18:21.17iamtheoneiamdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free
18:22.09quentini try on HAM > new catalog > http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free
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18:22.28Sicelo900what do you need in devel by the way?
18:22.51quentinfor chess game "miniature"
18:23.32Sicelo900~$ apt-cache policy miniature
18:23.45Sicelo900<PROTECTED>
18:23.57quentinin terminal ?
18:24.00Sicelo900miniature is not in devel
18:24.08quentinokey :D
18:24.14quentinthank's you
18:24.47quentinbut why i can't find it on HAM ?
18:25.01Sicelo900have you updated the catalogues?
18:25.46Sicelo900show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list file .. on a pastebin
18:25.49quentini don't think
18:26.10quentinbecause i didn't have "search option" in HAM
18:26.23quentini remember before , i find miniature with this
18:26.32quentinbut i just flashed my phone
18:26.40quentinand when i try to put catalog
18:26.42Sicelo900update your catalogues
18:26.44quentinnothing :/
18:26.46quentinhow ?
18:26.49Sicelo900show us the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list file .. on a pastebin
18:27.00quentinok
18:27.45Sicelo900i would also like to suggest you upgrade to CSSU first ... maybe CSSU-Stable if you feel Testing would be too much for you
18:29.31quentinwhat is CSSU ?
18:30.52quentinthx u but i looking for that later
18:30.58quentinsee you
18:31.50timelessdrathir: i'm more interested in a sip provider than a client
18:32.06timelessi used to have a great ip provider (my employer) and it worked great w/ the native n900 client
18:32.14timelesss/ip/sip/
18:32.18timelessnow i'm looking for a free sip provider
18:32.27timeless(that works)
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18:43.03deepytimeless: checked iptel?
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18:45.08timelessdeepy: yeah, created an account w/ them this morning
18:45.20timelessunfortunately, the client i'm tyring to use w/ them is crashing on launch ...
18:45.40timeless(no, that isn't a valid expected result)
18:50.41deepyclient issue mayhaps?
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18:53.54timelessoh definitely :)
18:54.15timelessso, today i've managed to update my laptop w8 only suffering one BSOD
18:54.33timelessthe w7 vm inside it is at 15% complete for some unknown round number of windows updates
18:59.08timelessyay, 16%
18:59.55timelessinfobot: cssu?
18:59.55infobotcssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
19:00.02timelessinfobot: ssu?
19:00.02infobotit has been said that ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
19:00.12timelessyeah, great
19:00.31timelessinfobot: ssu is also Seamless Software Update
19:00.31infobotokay, timeless
19:00.54timelessinfobot: cssu is also (Community Seamless Software Update)
19:00.54infobottimeless: okay
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21:39.48bencohhmmm ... I can be wrong, but I think status-area-applet-battery leaks when charging
21:40.58APicWhat does it leak?
21:41.02bencohmemory
21:41.04APicAh.
21:41.08APicBetter than Battery ;-)
21:41.33bencohhaha, right
21:41.53bencohhildon-status-menu stops leaking when unplugging
21:42.03bencoh(unplugging charger I mean)
21:43.54bencohpixbuf is unrefed in battery_status_plugin_update_icon, so .... I dunno which part leaks
21:47.05bencohPali: if you've any idea where this leak could hide ... :-)
21:47.59sixwheeledbeastbencoh: could something be leaking into it?
21:48.08bencohsomething ?
21:48.20sixwheeledbeastsome widget(z)
21:48.39bencohI have no widget, only status-menu plugins
21:48.49bencohand I suspect the one is battery-status-plugin :)
21:48.55bencoh(status-area-applet-battery)
21:49.11sixwheeledbeastis this the new one in cssu-testing?
21:49.25bencohhmmm, might be, yeah
21:49.44bencohthe opensource one from pali ...
21:50.09bencohyeah I think I hand-picked it from testing
21:50.18bencoh(I have a cssu-stable)
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22:05.46bencohhmmm ... is hd_status_plugin_item_set_status_area_icon() in a closed-source library ? I cant find it
22:07.08bencohok, strike that ... in libhildondesktop, not hildon-desktop
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