| 00:06.11 | drathir | Pali: there is possible tp chose which item in boot menu is default marked? |
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| 06:51.52 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I assumed so yes |
| 06:57.11 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: could you try it? |
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| 07:57.27 | Pali | drathir: I do not remember |
| 07:57.36 | Pali | need to look at source code |
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| 08:10.31 | jonwil | has just about finished pulling location-proxy to bits |
| 08:10.41 | jonwil | now understands pretty much exactly what its doing |
| 08:11.28 | freemangordon_ | is about to finish nm-navigation provider |
| 08:12.28 | jonwil | great |
| 08:12.51 | drathir | Pali: ok thank a lot its no problem, if You will have some free time to check i will be apreciated,ofc this isnt very important no rush needed... |
| 08:13.28 | freemangordon_ | yep, everything works on the device, I need to do one more function, which does the network connection (conn_ic_connect), but that is easy |
| 08:14.09 | drathir | jonwil: location-proxy mean assist of tracking by phone network location? |
| 08:14.17 | jonwil | Whats your next target after nm-navigation-provider? |
| 08:14.23 | jonwil | location-proxy handles AGPS |
| 08:14.47 | jonwil | more specifically it acts as a proxy between the cellular modem and the supl server |
| 08:14.55 | drathir | jonwil: nokia.suspl or something similar if good remember? |
| 08:15.03 | jonwil | yes |
| 08:15.13 | jonwil | With the info I have posted and will be posting enough information will be known to replace the N900 GPS subsystem for the Neo900 and keep all the users of it (including nokia-maps) working 100% |
| 08:16.51 | drathir | wonder if provider share location of bts publically or only for nokia positioning server use only... |
| 08:18.08 | drathir | eg. google maps in old e51 show correct the closest one bts w/o gps available... |
| 08:20.16 | jonwil | I think the tower locations are sent by the towers |
| 08:21.10 | jonwil | and the SUPL server has no knowledge of that |
| 08:21.39 | jonwil | the SUPL server seems to be a faster way to pull down certain data that would otherwise be pulled from the slow GPS satellite link |
| 08:22.00 | jonwil | Before I can finish location-proxy I need to reverse engineer whatever handles com.nokia.Location.UI (probably location-home-item.so) |
| 08:22.06 | jonwil | and work out the dbus stuff for that |
| 08:22.13 | jonwil | I also need to dig back into wappushd |
| 08:22.19 | jonwil | since location-proxy uses that |
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| 08:28.21 | mortak | hi all |
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| 08:34.33 | mortak | are there any premade projects to use my old n900 into a bluetooth audio reciever? (to use it in my car with aux output). i searched the webs but didn't found anything so far. |
| 08:34.55 | mortak | s/into/as |
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| 09:05.01 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: not sure, Pali asked me to RE jabber-plugin, maybe that one |
| 09:08.36 | jonwil | you could target some of the things the Neo900 FPTF project needs... |
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| 09:20.49 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: sure |
| 09:21.08 | freemangordon_ | but I am CSSU developer still :) |
| 09:21.22 | drathir | jonwil: gz for skills and good work... |
| 09:21.38 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: do you have a concrete candidate (re fptf needs)? |
| 09:25.18 | drathir | jonwil: i know that tower sending LAC + Cell ID but even dont think that bts could send to phone gps coordinates of own location too... i known that is possible to locate the tower by netmon, but not think and sure the apps like google maps can do that... |
| 09:27.39 | drathir | even at 3210i plays with detect towers in area, and connect by hand to chosed one when all ppl dont have net because bts problems i have connectin to more far away one (ppl cant because broken on have stronger signal and calls+sms works) |
| 09:29.07 | drathir | little missing that powerfull net monitor which was in the 3210i... |
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| 09:32.49 | jonwil | freemangordon_:sysinfo* would be a worthwhile target that would help FPTF |
| 09:34.36 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: may RE it |
| 09:34.52 | freemangordon_ | well, most probably will :) |
| 09:35.45 | jonwil | osso-applet-device also looks useful for FPTF |
| 09:35.52 | jonwil | since the info it displays will need to change |
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| 09:54.02 | jonwil | do you know of any kernel interfaces (e.g. /sys/blah or the like) that are going to be different on the Neo900? |
| 09:54.42 | freemangordon_ | most of them :) |
| 09:54.58 | freemangordon_ | upstream kernel that is ;) |
| 09:55.09 | freemangordon_ | bbl |
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| 09:56.23 | jonwil | ok |
| 09:57.17 | jonwil | oh something else that would be REALLY helpful to me right now would be a reverse engineering of the GPS status bar widget (something I will probably have to start playing around with soon if I am to figure out this GPS stuff) |
| 10:00.07 | drathir | jonwil: You know maybe how to force sync time from gps at n900? |
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| 10:33.31 | jonwil | Don't think N900 can use GPS for time |
| 10:33.37 | jonwil | it can pull time from cellular network though |
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| 10:34.54 | drathir | jonwil: Yes from cellurar too, but not sure it also w/o that synchro time/date by gps, but not sure that atm... |
| 10:36.57 | jonwil | given that GPS is part of the cellular modem its possible cellular modem firmware can get time from GPS as well as from cellular network |
| 10:39.42 | wnd | I don't really know why N900 does not get the time from GPS. Back then it was part of the plan. Maybe it's a timezone issue of sorts, I really have no clue. |
| 10:40.36 | wnd | then again, I think they explicitly wanted/had to hide cellular link info from userspace |
| 10:41.13 | wnd | I mean, to give info only about the station the radio was currently talking with |
| 10:42.29 | drathir | wnd: gps is much power drain... and gps satellite sync take some time too sadly... |
| 10:43.04 | Pali | you can read gps time with one of that closed location library |
| 10:43.06 | wnd | I know that, but if and once you have the fix, why not take full advantage of it? |
| 10:43.08 | Pali | see location-gui app |
| 10:43.58 | drathir | wnd: no info about priority of sync sadly... |
| 10:44.38 | Pali | anyway it would be cool to have support for NTP or gps time in clockd daemon |
| 10:44.44 | Pali | but that daemon is closed :-( |
| 10:47.47 | jonwil | I would reverse engineer it but its too complex for me to do |
| 10:47.50 | jonwil | clockd that is |
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| 11:40.09 | ShadowJK | gps recorder syncs system time to gps |
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| 12:19.01 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: Yes, touching the map in the location widget opens ovi maps application |
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| 12:39.40 | jonwil | damn, I cant find who handles com.nokia.location.ui |
| 12:40.01 | jonwil | liblocation seems to do something with it, let me check there |
| 12:40.15 | jonwil | aha wait its location-ui.launch |
| 12:40.26 | jonwil | I thought it was location-home-applet |
| 12:43.24 | jonwil | might have to play with sending things to location-ui via dbus-send and see what happens |
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| 13:33.33 | jonwil | bah this is annoying. |
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| 15:32.28 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, it started to work here as well, after a reboot :) |
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| 16:36.55 | freemangordon | shit, seems ovi tiles have alpha channel and stock nm-navigation-provider cannot deal with it :) |
| 16:40.17 | freemangordon | Sep 24 19:37:03 Nokia-N900 nm-nav-provider[9281]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - _pixops_scale_real: assertion `!(src_has_alpha && !dest_has_alpha)' failed |
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| 18:52.00 | Ras_Older | http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/650 FYI |
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| 19:30.00 | FreemantleKid | 'evening guys :) |
| 19:40.05 | stryngs | So..... bash.... |
| 19:40.13 | stryngs | I wonder how much stuff on the maemo side is vuln |
| 19:42.03 | FreemantleKid | ? |
| 19:42.08 | FreemantleKid | what do you mean? |
| 19:43.24 | stryngs | the bash bug |
| 19:43.58 | FreemantleKid | ?it i new for me |
| 19:44.01 | FreemantleKid | is* |
| 19:44.17 | FreemantleKid | source?link? the bash version is vulnerable? |
| 19:45.08 | stryngs | http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/2hbxtc/cve20146271_remote_code_execution_through_bash/ |
| 19:45.14 | FreemantleKid | i'm here to find out some info about harmattan and the N9, one the things i wanted to ask was about upgrading existing software |
| 19:45.37 | FreemantleKid | ok so it's not a harmattan bug,it's a bash one |
| 19:50.07 | FreemantleKid | i was wondering if is it possible to pgrade apt-get.. |
| 19:50.12 | FreemantleKid | is itpossible? |
| 19:50.33 | FreemantleKid | cause old software we know can be easy exploited |
| 19:50.42 | NIN101 | maemo is full of old software |
| 19:50.55 | NIN101 | and full of exploits thus too |
| 19:51.03 | FreemantleKid | i think you mean even the system one is |
| 19:51.10 | FreemantleKid | ok |
| 19:51.30 | FreemantleKid | so any way to get the system software be updated? |
| 19:52.15 | NIN101 | well, I compile openssl and openssh myself |
| 19:52.16 | stryngs | compile =) |
| 19:52.22 | NIN101 | but that's not nearly enough for a secure system. |
| 19:52.23 | stryngs | nods at NIN101 |
| 19:52.30 | stryngs | I make my own debs |
| 19:52.34 | stryngs | one at a time... |
| 19:52.54 | FreemantleKid | wait i'm pretty noob,how you compile?have you a script for doing that specifically for harmattan? |
| 19:53.39 | NIN101 | oh you were talking about harmattan. |
| 19:53.47 | FreemantleKid | ys |
| 19:54.53 | NIN101 | well there certainly is no script that compiles for you. |
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| 20:37.45 | FreemantleKid | any N9 owner here? |
| 20:42.27 | Sicelo | FreemantleKid: you sure your questions don't have answers on the forum? there is a search function there, and i would like to suppose you'll get at least 80% answers |
| 20:45.19 | FreemantleKid | user experience it's not in forum.. |
| 20:46.00 | FreemantleKid | that i need: some experience of somebody sing&hacking the N9 |
| 20:46.35 | FreemantleKid | on the forum there are guides,but just on some random post you can find alittle about they usage |
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