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| 09:12.46 | drathir | little paradox - with broken screen vnc not working at n900 ;/ |
| 09:14.44 | drathir | mornin... |
| 09:17.01 | drathir | mean program works but no output... |
| 09:17.56 | drathir | the same behaviour at tv-out... |
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| 10:24.41 | drathir | freemangordon_: no autolock enabled, more possible no reaction to open the slider, but also not sure that because on open the kb flashing loks like positive detecting... |
| 10:25.07 | drathir | looks* |
| 10:26.17 | drathir | freemangordon_: in my feelings looks like w/o display the x session not properly auto konfigured... |
| 10:26.35 | drathir | configured* |
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| 14:45.35 | Freemantle | Hi guys |
| 14:50.42 | Sicelo | hi |
| 14:50.47 | Freemantle | :O |
| 14:50.58 | Freemantle | somebody still alive in the maemo community? |
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| 14:52.45 | drathir | hi... |
| 14:52.56 | Freemantle | i will buy a new phone, and i'm here cause i was interested in maemo/meego environment |
| 14:53.08 | Freemantle | but i don't know probably a thing about.. |
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| 14:53.17 | Freemantle | so can you help me?:) |
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| 14:53.31 | drathir | ! flasher |
| 14:53.36 | drathir | !flasher |
| 14:53.45 | drathir | ~flasher |
| 14:53.46 | infobot | methinks flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 14:54.09 | Freemantle | can someone help me? |
| 14:55.03 | drathir | ~flashing |
| 14:55.04 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:55.28 | drathir | for start too make sure device is clean... |
| 14:55.41 | drathir | ~firmware |
| 14:55.42 | infobot | it has been said that firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher |
| 14:55.53 | drathir | ~combined |
| 14:55.53 | infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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| 14:55.59 | drathir | ~emmc |
| 14:56.00 | infobot | emmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 14:56.07 | drathir | Freemantle: ^^ |
| 14:57.02 | drathir | Freemantle: if any specific questions feel free to ask here... |
| 14:57.17 | Freemantle | specific yes: |
| 14:57.25 | Freemantle | meego is RPm based right? |
| 14:57.35 | Freemantle | RPM* |
| 14:58.04 | drathir | Freemantle: what i know its not using deb ones, but not sure... |
| 14:58.15 | Freemantle | as i thought |
| 14:58.18 | Freemantle | so hy i read around |
| 14:58.24 | Freemantle | things like: |
| 14:58.35 | Freemantle | "..app for meego" and there is a .db files? |
| 14:58.38 | Freemantle | no-sense |
| 14:58.43 | drathir | n900 deb based is... |
| 14:58.45 | Freemantle | deb* |
| 14:59.29 | Freemantle | look here |
| 14:59.31 | Freemantle | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87428 |
| 14:59.38 | Freemantle | it's written " meego app" |
| 14:59.51 | Freemantle | but it's a .deb file!(for maemo) |
| 14:59.58 | Freemantle | i don't understand.. |
| 15:00.44 | zGrr | harmattan was branded as meego to show the public that meego was alive, but it wasn't reall a meego system, was it? |
| 15:00.51 | zGrr | mere styling. |
| 15:00.56 | drathir | Freemantle: need to wait for experts maybe package manager there is able to using deb ones too, not sure of that... |
| 15:01.49 | Freemantle | @zGrr i read about the fake Maemo6,but still i read around about RPM manager in the OS |
| 15:02.03 | drathir | if good remember is big difference between maemo and meego... |
| 15:02.20 | Freemantle | drathir, as i know too |
| 15:02.49 | Freemantle | that's why i don't understand how all the meego users get working .deb files |
| 15:03.01 | zGrr | RPM? In harmattan? maybe in some planned systtem that was supposed to replace it. |
| 15:03.04 | Freemantle | it was supposed to be .rpm ones |
| 15:03.16 | Freemantle | :O |
| 15:03.16 | Sicelo | Harmattan uses debs |
| 15:03.43 | Freemantle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo |
| 15:03.47 | Freemantle | read by yourself |
| 15:03.59 | drathir | maybe alien using ? no idea... |
| 15:03.59 | Freemantle | Package manager RPM Package Manager |
| 15:04.01 | zGrr | yeah, yeah |
| 15:04.11 | Sicelo | read what *we* tell you :) |
| 15:04.32 | zGrr | Meego was a mess. And probably still is. |
| 15:04.37 | Freemantle | yea so the fake mameo6 is real.. |
| 15:04.55 | Sicelo | Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan |
| 15:05.01 | Freemantle | so the actually meego pr.13 accept deb and have apt-get as package manager? |
| 15:05.16 | zGrr | Freemantle: correct |
| 15:05.28 | Freemantle | LOL dat wikipedia lier xD |
| 15:05.40 | Freemantle | ok guys thanks |
| 15:05.45 | Freemantle | can you helpè me |
| 15:06.03 | Freemantle | decide about choosing the phone' |
| 15:06.10 | Freemantle | ?* |
| 15:06.12 | zGrr | Freemantle: wikipedia did not lie. Nokia did. |
| 15:06.20 | drathir | lol |
| 15:06.22 | Freemantle | LOL zGrr |
| 15:06.40 | Freemantle | i will buy a new phone |
| 15:06.52 | zGrr | allofthem are crap |
| 15:06.58 | Freemantle | but i really enjoy te maemo community environment |
| 15:07.06 | Freemantle | the* |
| 15:07.22 | Freemantle | if i choose maemo as OS i will take the N9 |
| 15:07.38 | Freemantle | but still i'm afraid about the apps |
| 15:07.50 | zGrr | I have both N9 and N900. I still use N900 as my primary phone. |
| 15:07.54 | Freemantle | officially it's a dead environment,isn't it? |
| 15:08.06 | zGrr | Dead as a dodo |
| 15:08.18 | Freemantle | as a dodo=? |
| 15:08.22 | Freemantle | ahh |
| 15:08.25 | Freemantle | the animal |
| 15:08.27 | Freemantle | LOL |
| 15:08.35 | drathir | n900 exclude years still rocks... no alternatives... |
| 15:09.03 | Freemantle | you are a little hidden community to my eyes why n900 rocks? |
| 15:09.14 | Freemantle | i'm pretty curious |
| 15:09.26 | drathir | almost clean debian powered... |
| 15:09.36 | Freemantle | compare a nexus5 ith a n90,what stop you from buying a N5? |
| 15:09.36 | drathir | in my opinion... |
| 15:09.46 | Freemantle | with* |
| 15:10.01 | zGrr | You cannot compare it. |
| 15:10.02 | Freemantle | it's a matter of pgones or OS? |
| 15:10.09 | Freemantle | you prbably right |
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| 15:10.19 | Freemantle | so what is the matter? |
| 15:10.32 | drathir | dont like spying android ;/ and want to have full access to radio... |
| 15:10.49 | zGrr | I don't know. I wouldn't touch an android even with my leg. |
| 15:11.49 | Freemantle | LOL i think the NSA don't even have any exploit or backdoor acces for such dead OS |
| 15:11.54 | drathir | put android traffic by squid You run with scream ;p |
| 15:12.01 | zGrr | It is not dead. |
| 15:12.12 | Freemantle | officially it is |
| 15:12.31 | Sicelo | Freemantle: why are *you* interested in Maemo/MeeGo? |
| 15:12.33 | Freemantle | i saw a survived environment still, with the users effort |
| 15:12.44 | zGrr | It is just that there is no modern hardware to run it on. |
| 15:12.46 | drathir | no only nokia "free" the support for community only support... |
| 15:13.10 | zGrr | System is not dead. Nokia is dead. |
| 15:13.14 | Freemantle | me? i hate to be mainstream,want to have a MiniPC with phone calls,and do pentesting on the way |
| 15:14.02 | Freemantle | and of course more battery life as possible |
| 15:14.03 | Sicelo | and why you choose an old device/OS for that? |
| 15:14.11 | drathir | but with that "old" hw on board not look tragic one like... android have problems at 4 cores ;p |
| 15:14.38 | Freemantle | i didn't cose anything,that's why i'm herei need to know how it is and if it can suit my needs |
| 15:14.55 | drathir | Freemantle: battery life sadly weak point... in my opinion... |
| 15:15.11 | Freemantle | either on n9? |
| 15:15.22 | drathir | no n9 info sadly... |
| 15:15.33 | Freemantle | there is no differences between Nemo mobile and Meego? |
| 15:15.52 | drathir | only prefer hw kb ones phones... |
| 15:16.04 | zGrr | I never really liked N9. |
| 15:16.04 | Freemantle | so why not the n950? |
| 15:16.19 | zGrr | N950? Rare species |
| 15:16.24 | Sicelo | or N5 ;) |
| 15:16.46 | drathir | neo900 waitin ;p |
| 15:16.51 | Freemantle | N5 doesn't have hw kb |
| 15:17.11 | Sicelo | i meant.. can't you try it for pentesting use? |
| 15:17.16 | Freemantle | nee90 still unaccesible.. |
| 15:17.43 | Freemantle | Sicelo,just for srrating Aircrack is available only for 3 device AFIK |
| 15:17.49 | Freemantle | AFAIK |
| 15:17.58 | Freemantle | one is the N9/900 |
| 15:18.00 | drathir | but in my opinion only that one is next gen n900 rest not similar to n900 ;/ |
| 15:18.01 | Sicelo | i know :D |
| 15:18.13 | Freemantle | the second is the Sgalaxy S2 |
| 15:18.23 | Freemantle | and the third im not sure exists |
| 15:18.35 | Freemantle | so just to snif and other things, i can't |
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| 15:18.48 | Sicelo | the point i'm drving at then, Freemantle, is that .. you probably shouldn't wonder why we're all interested in N900, as old as it may be |
| 15:18.52 | Sicelo | :D |
| 15:19.17 | Freemantle | i'm discovering my inner love woith your help xD |
| 15:19.30 | Freemantle | BUT |
| 15:19.33 | drathir | for me no alternative to n900 until neo900 "spawn"... |
| 15:19.45 | Freemantle | still with apps you can anyway sniff and strip with apps on android |
| 15:19.58 | Freemantle | like dsploit |
| 15:20.02 | drathir | android is powerless... ;p |
| 15:20.12 | Freemantle | you don't have to get root to use it |
| 15:20.25 | Freemantle | and you can get a perfect automated tool |
| 15:20.37 | Freemantle | that meego lacks |
| 15:21.12 | drathir | they finally discovered way to get into monitor mode at android?? |
| 15:21.23 | zGrr | Meego? What Meego? |
| 15:21.42 | Freemantle | Meego lacks from a suit like dSploit |
| 15:22.19 | zGrr | I don't know. I'm not into security auditing business. |
| 15:22.49 | Freemantle | actually you guys are you mounting maemo5 or meego? |
| 15:22.55 | Freemantle | or nemo? |
| 15:23.06 | Sicelo | ? |
| 15:23.13 | Sicelo | mounting? |
| 15:23.23 | Freemantle | running* |
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| 15:23.29 | drathir | lol if needed even possible run arch at n900 ;p |
| 15:23.43 | Freemantle | drathir you got the point!!! |
| 15:23.47 | drathir | i guess archassault also no problem... |
| 15:24.06 | Freemantle | my dream is to have a distro in a phone |
| 15:24.24 | zGrr | What are you talking about? |
| 15:24.32 | drathir | Freemantle: no mounting ;p native running ^^ |
| 15:24.43 | Freemantle | anyway actually what OS are you running now on your devices? |
| 15:24.58 | drathir | dual maemo/arch |
| 15:25.35 | drathir | both ofc native not chroot ;p |
| 15:25.43 | Freemantle | arch??? |
| 15:25.45 | Freemantle | wtf?:O |
| 15:26.03 | Sicelo | now what? |
| 15:26.20 | drathir | ofc when needed arch at chroot in maemo also no problem ;p |
| 15:26.57 | Freemantle | arch with phone support? |
| 15:27.01 | Freemantle | i mean calls and sms? |
| 15:27.07 | Freemantle | and 3g data? |
| 15:27.09 | drathir | You got maemo+arch app available at one time... |
| 15:27.19 | Freemantle | :O? |
| 15:27.33 | drathir | Freemantle: weak support for modem atm, but who know with time... |
| 15:28.00 | Freemantle | nether simple calls and sms? |
| 15:28.11 | Sicelo | 3G data worked on both arch & debian when i used them .. so did sms |
| 15:28.38 | drathir | Freemantle: dont wish a miracled doing something from nothing... gretings for all developer and hard work to make that possible... |
| 15:28.58 | Freemantle | holy words drathir |
| 15:29.15 | Sicelo | gsm voice is actively being worked on .. important bits are already in mainstream kernel |
| 15:29.20 | Wizzup | are there any guides on this? |
| 15:29.28 | Freemantle | but is the n900 laggy compared to the n9 &N950? |
| 15:29.44 | Freemantle | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 |
| 15:29.48 | Freemantle | arch ^ |
| 15:29.57 | drathir | wonder who say that maemo or n900 is dead ? ^^ |
| 15:30.33 | drathir | Freemantle: arch with n900+xfce4 is smoothly ;p |
| 15:31.01 | zGrr | N9 feels crappy compared to N900. |
| 15:31.08 | zGrr | Half baked product. |
| 15:31.16 | drathir | zGrr: ++ |
| 15:31.26 | Freemantle | drathir AFA you know, all these things running on n900 are working on N9/N950 either? |
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| 15:32.34 | zGrr | I almost bought Jolla recently. |
| 15:33.15 | zGrr | Gave up after discovering that they don't have SIP support working. |
| 15:33.49 | drathir | Freemantle: like i say hw kb for me is prior and dont like the way how work meego a little what i remember, more like maemo... |
| 15:33.54 | Freemantle | zGrr depends on the end-user, if it needed.. |
| 15:34.24 | Terminator | I am back! |
| 15:34.39 | Freemantle | @drathir so you actually are runnign maemo5? |
| 15:34.53 | drathir | zGrr: jolla for me is strange thing, trying to make better something what was really good and became like always ;/ |
| 15:35.32 | drathir | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 15:35.44 | Sicelo | is on M5 (daily device.. only device actually) |
| 15:36.14 | drathir | 2devices atm... |
| 15:36.38 | Freemantle | but if all apps working on meeo either why you still on old maemo? |
| 15:36.44 | Freemantle | meego* |
| 15:37.04 | zGrr | drathir: I wish them good luck, but I'm not sure if there's enough hipsters out there to keep the business going. |
| 15:37.30 | zGrr | It has that hipster-ish appeal, doesn't it? |
| 15:37.32 | drathir | one fully working exclude broken usb, second is working w/o lcd/ and maybe gsm its for external charger usage... |
| 15:37.40 | Sicelo | because 'old Maemo' works just fine |
| 15:38.33 | zGrr | There is no meego. |
| 15:38.40 | drathir | more like maemo than meego because of strange security policy at megoo packages too.. |
| 15:39.22 | Terminator | thinks android is opensource fork of maemo |
| 15:39.33 | Freemantle | what stops you guys from using Meego if they both runningthe same package manager and Meego it's supposed to be better than Maemo? |
| 15:39.47 | Freemantle | Lol terminator |
| 15:39.57 | drathir | zGrr: for most "normal" users android with 4 cores is enough for me power of my n900 and almost clean linux is enough... |
| 15:40.31 | Sicelo | Freemantle: zGrr said there isn't MeeGo |
| 15:41.02 | drathir | Terminator: there is opens source fork of android if good remember not sure of its name... |
| 15:41.15 | Freemantle | but you replied to me with "maemo", the official name it's Meego even if "thre isn't any Meego"! |
| 15:41.47 | Freemantle | drathir,it's AOSP |
| 15:41.50 | Sicelo | ? |
| 15:42.16 | zGrr | drathir: my workmate tried it last week on his samsung. He said it is just as bad as Android, if not worse. |
| 15:43.24 | drathir | zGrr: not have a try with that, even i use how less possible android too, only when really must eg help someone with problems with phone;/ |
| 15:44.03 | Sicelo | Freemantle: 15:04 < Sicelo> Freemantle: maybe erase in your mind Meego... and replace it with Harmattan |
| 15:44.21 | elias_a_ | Has someone listening have had hands on Blackphone? |
| 15:44.37 | drathir | really once i connected android to my network throught squid proxy and its one big mess calls everywhere want ;p |
| 15:44.40 | Freemantle | Sicelo, sorry |
| 15:44.46 | elias_a_ | Looks IMHO quite interesting. |
| 15:45.14 | zGrr | What's a Blackphone? |
| 15:45.47 | drathir | elias_a_: for me isnt secure because of its based at android anyway ;/ |
| 15:46.41 | drathir | elias_a_: its some kind of running linux at windows host... |
| 15:46.50 | Freemantle | agree with drathir |
| 15:46.56 | drathir | its mad thing ;/ |
| 15:47.54 | zGrr | https://www.blackphone.ch/ ? |
| 15:48.09 | drathir | elias_a_: ofc i guess they improve the security but still isnt a secure phone for me... |
| 15:48.35 | drathir | maybe thats is little insane but /me prefer bb than android... |
| 15:48.54 | zGrr | It's not insane. |
| 15:49.19 | zGrr | Q10 is a nice phone. |
| 15:49.29 | Freemantle | guys where you get apps? still on ovi store? |
| 15:50.09 | drathir | for me is enough not strange connections throught squid at all... i know that could be leaks by bis/bes at rim servers side, but its still more secure in my opinion... |
| 15:50.26 | elias_a_ | drathir: Seems to me they have rewritten the kernel. |
| 15:51.29 | elias_a_ | https://github.com/sgp-blackphone/Blackphone-BP1-Kernel/ |
| 15:51.36 | drathir | elias_a_: maybe thats is correct, but if true in theory its possible in all android phones for free... |
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| 15:52.36 | drathir | there more pays i gues for using their infra of servers to make a phone calls... |
| 15:53.11 | elias_a_ | drathir: I am not sure if I understand you. |
| 15:53.46 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: apps are installed from the application manager via repositories. that is if you are still talking about N900 and Fremantle/Maemo |
| 15:53.58 | drathir | elias_a_: You have secure comunication at blackphone only in range of their servers... |
| 15:54.42 | elias_a_ | drathir: Or alternatively with some other provider doing the same tricks, right? |
| 15:55.18 | Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast: my true question is where you get tha paid apps?(they cost pretty much compared to playstore&appstore prices) |
| 15:55.37 | sixwheeledbeast | N9 and N950 have no future support. N900 and Fremantle is still supported by the community. If you wish for pentesting you are best to choose N900. |
| 15:55.51 | sixwheeledbeast | Paid apps, what paid apps? |
| 15:56.06 | drathir | elias_a_: what hear only in range theirs servers that works, but maybe changed... |
| 15:56.23 | zGrr | You pay to the authors. Sometimes they ask for it. |
| 15:56.25 | Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, services like shaazam,where you get them? |
| 15:56.49 | zGrr | Shaazam? Never heard of it. |
| 15:56.49 | elias_a_ | drathir: I do not understand what you are saying. |
| 15:57.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Ovi store died long ago. There are very little propitiatory applications like that, this isn't android ;) |
| 15:57.16 | Freemantle | shazam* |
| 15:57.58 | drathir | elias_a_: its country restricted and what i guessing their using own bts network/servers... |
| 15:58.23 | zGrr | Freemantle: you don't |
| 15:58.37 | elias_a_ | drathir: Ok. I'll look into it. |
| 15:59.19 | Freemantle | so where you actually get the most apps? |
| 15:59.30 | zGrr | "their servers" == lags - right? |
| 15:59.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Most of the applications are FOSS, companies don't make applications for Maemo (they probably don't know or care we exist) |
| 16:00.01 | sixwheeledbeast | define "most apps" |
| 16:00.01 | drathir | elias_a_: i read about it when theorehical data publically discovered not much detailed info was available in that time, now maybe little more info about... |
| 16:00.14 | zGrr | Freemantle: from the endless ecosystem of Debian. |
| 16:00.17 | drathir | zGrr: shazam is nice thing... |
| 16:00.49 | Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, good question,in fact i saw theapps i need already exists.. |
| 16:01.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Eyrie is a FOSS replacement for shazam BTW. |
| 16:01.31 | zGrr | drathir: some music service, right? |
| 16:01.49 | drathir | zama: eyrie is alternative to shazam what i hear... |
| 16:02.07 | elias_a_ | drathir: Just to make it easier for me to understand: is your native language polish? |
| 16:02.23 | drathir | zGrr: that program from sound sample show what music is played... |
| 16:02.34 | raccoon_ | seems to be some kind of web based audio fingerprinting service |
| 16:02.46 | raccoon_ | for matching audio against known songs |
| 16:02.46 | zGrr | drathir: i see. I heard of them. Never tried it. |
| 16:02.51 | drathir | raccoon_: correct |
| 16:03.46 | zGrr | I wonder if shazam could recognize someone like for example Sainkho Namtchylak? :) |
| 16:03.49 | raccoon_ | drathir: "picard" should be installable on maemo although i don't know if it is in the official repos |
| 16:04.07 | raccoon_ | it is supported on debian and has been for quite a while. sorry if that doesn't answer your question though |
| 16:04.09 | Freemantle | like openvpn,telegram,whatsapp,pdf reader,office suite,aircrack,mail client,a browser(how firefox works?there are other browsers?) |
| 16:04.52 | raccoon_ | Freemantle: there is "microb", a mobile mozilla based browser. there is also opera mobile and you can install firefox/iceweasel |
| 16:05.01 | drathir | zGrr: shazam is really good even with really bad sample... |
| 16:05.39 | drathir | raccoon_: thanks a lot... |
| 16:05.54 | zGrr | I have to ask someone with more up to date smartphone to give it a try. |
| 16:06.05 | drathir | fennec is also available but little high resource usage... |
| 16:06.14 | drathir | opera is the best one... |
| 16:06.40 | raccoon_ | drathir: sorry, i meant to say "musicbrainz", not "picard". should be fairly easy to install on maemo |
| 16:07.12 | drathir | raccoon_: i check too... thanks a lot... |
| 16:08.29 | Freemantle | guys actually exists some huge repo community driven? |
| 16:10.11 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: IMO to get the most out of Maemo you have to be prepared to work for some things. If that be fixing up a dirty script, porting stuff from debian, helping beta test some application. If that's definitely not your thing and just want every smartphone app to work, OOTB, look somewhere else. |
| 16:10.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Firefox doesn't work but stock browser is fine and gecko based |
| 16:11.17 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: there is fennec but uses so much resource its not worth installing |
| 16:11.25 | Freemantle | actually it's enough to be sure that all th prev listed apps are working on n9 |
| 16:12.35 | Ras_Older | The protective screen on my N900 starts to wear off. I was looking for replacement and they had screen or full body layers. I currently had full body layer but it started to wear off from the left side a month to its placement :D |
| 16:12.50 | Ras_Older | Has anyone had those only screen layers in use? |
| 16:12.52 | Freemantle | anyway i'm open to fixing porting & etc.but i can't found any guidline to do that,not even how to compile (for example) nginx or a webserver for the n9 |
| 16:13.16 | sixwheeledbeast | stock mail client and pdf reader are ok, I am still talking N900 here tho. |
| 16:13.58 | sixwheeledbeast | I am not well up on the flop that was the N9 |
| 16:14.09 | sixwheeledbeast | ~aegis |
| 16:14.09 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 16:14.18 | sixwheeledbeast | yuk |
| 16:14.31 | Freemantle | there is some n9 club? to talk with? |
| 16:15.50 | sixwheeledbeast | try #harmattan for N9 related chat, most people here are Maemo users or have both. |
| 16:16.02 | Freemantle | thanks |
| 16:17.01 | Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, how much battery life you have on you n900? |
| 16:17.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Thats good all the Harmattan pages have been removed from Nokia |
| 16:17.48 | Freemantle | D: so where i can get some guide to compile for,or anyway do things by my self? |
| 16:18.30 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: I get a day with fairly heavy usage and set to check for WLAN and e-mail every 10 minutes. |
| 16:18.54 | sixwheeledbeast | wiki.maemo.org contains most information about the dev environment |
| 16:19.06 | sixwheeledbeast | also see ~sb |
| 16:19.08 | sixwheeledbeast | ~sb |
| 16:19.08 | infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 16:19.10 | Freemantle | valid for harmattan either? |
| 16:19.49 | Freemantle | oh jesus,i don't know a thing about this things xD |
| 16:20.22 | sixwheeledbeast | some Harmattan stuff is on the wiki but a lot of Harmattan kinda died with Nokia |
| 16:20.45 | Freemantle | no mirrors?could be? |
| 16:20.47 | Freemantle | D: |
| 16:21.25 | sixwheeledbeast | ? maybe ask on Harmattan for N9 stuff. |
| 16:21.54 | Freemantle | hope to find someone..atm i's like a desert there :( |
| 16:22.26 | Sicelo | this channel? 0.o |
| 16:22.39 | Sicelo | i think everyone has been very helpful to you :) |
| 16:22.48 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: that doesn't surprise me, I am surprised anybody wants a N9 |
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| 16:22.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: on #harmattan |
| 16:23.04 | Sicelo | ah |
| 16:23.58 | Freemantle | kinda poof performnces the n900 |
| 16:24.09 | Freemantle | better a n9/n900 i think |
| 16:24.13 | Freemantle | poor* |
| 16:24.55 | sixwheeledbeast | poor in what way? It's more open and has more community support |
| 16:25.16 | bencoh | it has less memory |
| 16:25.23 | Freemantle | less ram |
| 16:25.28 | Freemantle | less disk less cpu |
| 16:25.52 | Freemantle | so more latencys |
| 16:26.03 | Freemantle | that consume more battery |
| 16:27.29 | Sicelo | wants another N900 |
| 16:27.53 | Freemantle | wait a second |
| 16:28.31 | Freemantle | if i run harmattan on the n9 i have to soemtime compile for harmattan to work |
| 16:28.41 | Wizzup | 18:25 < Freemantle> so more latencys |
| 16:28.41 | Wizzup | 18:26 < Freemantle> that consume more battery |
| 16:28.43 | Wizzup | that makes no sense man |
| 16:28.58 | Freemantle | but if i install maemo5 on the n9 i can use the n900 aps without any compiling? |
| 16:29.07 | Sicelo | no |
| 16:29.17 | Sicelo | you won't install Maemo5 on N9 |
| 16:29.22 | Freemantle | ?:O |
| 16:31.01 | Freemantle | less ram it's a pain for me,i f open apps browsers and start metasploit i don't think i will able to do it.. |
| 16:31.52 | sixwheeledbeast | Freemantle: Why is less RAM and CPU an issue? |
| 16:32.28 | Freemantle | because I using a lot of apps in backgrounds |
| 16:32.54 | Sicelo | Freemantle: we all do ;) |
| 16:33.20 | Freemantle | twitter client mail clients,browser,sms and calls,and while they are inbackground i will use some big sopftware like a webserver and metasploit |
| 16:33.57 | sixwheeledbeast | You don't need a V8 mustang to go to the shops? It's all about how efficient each application is. |
| 16:34.32 | Freemantle | some of the apps afaik are simply interpreted not native anyway |
| 16:36.22 | Sicelo | which ones? |
| 16:36.40 | Freemantle | metasploit |
| 16:36.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I have no issues running browser and 2 other applications while on the phone and have daemons for stock mail etc running |
| 16:37.05 | Freemantle | a web server could be lighttpd or python simplehttperver |
| 16:37.26 | sixwheeledbeast | I am not even on Thumb on that device. |
| 16:38.05 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: actually the real issue here is that web stuff isnt efficient at all |
| 16:38.09 | bencoh | (but you know that already :) |
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| 16:38.30 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: "web stuff"? |
| 16:40.48 | Freemantle | how you guys can explain this?: http://twitpic.com/5tkqhs |
| 16:42.34 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: web sites, "webapp", ... |
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| 17:20.53 | erstazi | Trying to debate on the next move from my N900. Is the Neo900 still going strong or should I just get a Nokia N9 (or Nokia N950 if it is available)? Suggestions? |
| 17:21.53 | Sicelo | Neo900 going strong, apparently.. but if you need a device fast, you shouldn't be disappointed on N900 |
| 17:22.39 | erstazi | Sicelo: I have a N900. I could always buy another one if this one breaks but looking forward to future. |
| 17:22.57 | sixwheeledbeast | Istill fail to see how N9 is a upgrade from N900 |
| 17:23.20 | sixwheeledbeast | s/Istill/I still/ |
| 17:23.24 | erstazi | sixwheeledbeast: right, no keyboard is a killer for me. |
| 17:24.28 | erstazi | I wouldn't mind a N950 though. Those look nice and I think that should have been the N9 instead of keyboardless (and other things). |
| 17:25.22 | Freemantle | sixwheeledbeast, after some googling i found repos apps and guide for the N9 :D |
| 17:25.34 | Freemantle | even compiling if needed |
| 17:25.47 | Freemantle | thanks to all of you guys ofr the answers :) |
| 17:26.04 | sixwheeledbeast | np |
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| 18:27.34 | sixwheeledbeast | ~slay systemd |
| 18:27.34 | infobot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, systemd!" apt lops off systemd's head. |
| 18:28.35 | bencoh | <3 |
| 18:30.54 | kerio | but excalibur doesn't behead :s |
| 18:30.58 | kerio | you want vorpal blade for that |
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| 18:33.15 | sixwheeledbeast | Tekk_: is this any use for porting Go? http://home.gna.org/quarry/ |
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| 18:41.31 | Tekk_ | sixwheeledbeast: cgoban would probably be the best bet |
| 18:41.38 | Tekk_ | I'd just havo te get around to actually building a package from my dev vm :P |
| 18:41.50 | sixwheeledbeast | ok :) |
| 18:45.51 | Freemantle | what is the thing about Go? |
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| 18:51.05 | wizbit | does anybody know where i can get nokia n900 screws from? |
| 18:51.36 | kerio | wizbit: a n900 |
| 18:51.43 | wizbit | yes |
| 18:51.43 | kerio | is helpful |
| 18:52.05 | wizbit | i guess they must be some standard size |
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| 19:56.40 | Sicelo | anyone knows a simple way to make N900 open the mobile site of YouTube? |
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| 20:03.54 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: they don't have a mobile site anymore AFAIK |
| 20:05.27 | Sicelo | they do.. my roommate's blackberry uses it .. he has good playback of videos, while i basically can't watch anything (we're on same connection) |
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| 20:09.24 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: it maybe some hacky script that grabs the user agent. |
| 20:10.52 | Sicelo | i know his blackberry 9320 has more 'juice' than my N900 (806MHz cpu + 512MB ram) |
| 20:11.25 | kerio | Sicelo: that's mostly irrelevant |
| 20:11.32 | kerio | video decoding is probably hardware accelerated on both |
| 20:11.43 | kerio | also, use cutetube |
| 20:11.47 | kerio | it works pretty well |
| 20:12.52 | Sicelo | yeah.. i have cutecube :) |
| 20:13.23 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: QML-browser WFM on youtube |
| 20:13.44 | sixwheeledbeast | it's the full site but the videos play. |
| 20:15.15 | sixwheeledbeast | I also generally use cutetube |
| 20:17.01 | Sicelo | i must still try qmlbrowser. i seem to be reading a lot of good things about it :) |
| 20:18.10 | sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: Yep the site seems to detect the user agent and redirects to m.youtube or youtube. |
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| 20:20.03 | sixwheeledbeast | qml-browser has a few bugs at the moment but generally it's great. With all the bugs fixed it will become my default browser over MicroB. |
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| 20:46.44 | sixwheeledbeast | ~seen ashley |
| 20:46.49 | infobot | ashley is currently on #maemo, last said: 'I try not to touch midgard even with a ten-feet pole'. |
| 20:47.26 | sixwheeledbeast | lol, fifty feet pole maybe |
| 20:49.56 | kerio | i wouldn't touch yer mom with a fifty feet pole |
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| 22:27.00 | freemangordon | hmm, is location widget supposed to launch ovi maps when clicked? |
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| 23:07.00 | drathir | re |
| 23:07.03 | drathir | mplayer+mpv support at n900 will be great... |
| 23:08.29 | kerio | no it won't |
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| 23:09.01 | drathir | kerio: i know not possible gpu accelerate... |
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| 23:14.23 | drathir | kerio: but from console always most smoothly play at linux there not always because of not hw acceleration, but me mostly play audio from console minus of that sometimes mplayer freeze... |
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