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| 07:17.06 | jonwil | Anyone here have a working n900 development environment (that can grab some things from CSSU gitorious and compile some specific things for me)? I dont have a usable dev environment right now so I cant compile it myself |
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| 07:47.09 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: yep :) |
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| 07:47.24 | freemangordon_ | what do you need to have compiled? |
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| 07:59.50 | jonwil | just realized I dont actually need what I thought I needed |
| 07:59.56 | jonwil | so no I dont need any help right now |
| 08:01.18 | jonwil | I am getting seriously back into n900 reverse engineering though |
| 08:05.10 | jonwil | my next target will be osso-wlan-security (aka eapd) I think |
| 08:05.36 | Luke-Jr | jonwil: why not the PowerVR driver? :P |
| 08:07.14 | jonwil | because I happen to want to mess with osso-wlan-security right now |
| 08:08.00 | Luke-Jr | ;) |
| 08:13.01 | kerio | Luke-Jr: because the powervr driver is bound to be floats all over |
| 08:13.10 | kerio | and hex-rays doesn't decompile those as nicely |
| 08:15.11 | Luke-Jr | :/ |
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| 08:49.50 | jonwil | the good news is that Nokia were smart and didn't reinvent the wheel |
| 08:50.00 | jonwil | osso-wlan-security uses openssl for crypto work |
| 08:50.12 | kerio | that fills me with dread |
| 08:50.29 | bencoh | :D |
| 08:51.09 | kerio | as a reminder, the openssl devs thought it was a good idea to add support for big endian x86_64 |
| 08:51.23 | kerio | http://opensslrampage.org/post/83031733755/ |
| 08:51.24 | jonwil | And that's a problem why? |
| 08:51.30 | kerio | BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST |
| 08:52.10 | jonwil | oh yeah I see |
| 08:52.20 | bencoh | :) |
| 08:52.21 | Tekk_ | kerio: :D |
| 08:52.27 | jonwil | who is in charge of cssu these days? |
| 08:52.29 | bencoh | hypothetical choice ! |
| 08:52.37 | Tekk_ | kerio: actually big endian x86_64 does exist |
| 08:52.40 | Tekk_ | that was the fucked up part |
| 08:52.50 | jonwil | it exists where? |
| 08:52.55 | Tekk_ | routers |
| 08:53.17 | kerio | some routers from stratus.com apparently |
| 08:53.20 | Tekk_ | some company went and made big endian x86_64 so that their legacy big endian risc code would compile and run on the new routers without modification |
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| 08:53.48 | jonwil | seems screwed up, would have been better to go with something still available that is big-endian like PPC |
| 08:53.55 | kerio | clearly that's a good enough reason to maintain support for useless shit in one of the most important opensource projects in the world |
| 08:54.13 | kerio | jonwil: they modified gcc to "emulate" big endianness on x86 |
| 08:55.07 | jonwil | what a stupid idea, would have been much better to just keep using any of the many big-endian chips out there |
| 08:55.50 | Pali | some ARM supports switching between low and big endian |
| 08:56.42 | bencoh | I think it's all of them ... it's just not always available to the user |
| 08:57.06 | Tekk_ | Pali: obviously mixed endian is the proper way to do things |
| 08:57.22 | jonwil | in any case the use of openssl by eapd makes reverse engineering it easier for me |
| 08:58.20 | Wizzup | Is anyone running mainline on their n900? |
| 08:59.01 | kerio | Pali: freemangordon ^ |
| 08:59.16 | Pali | our armv7-a in n900 does not support big endian, see: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0471c/BABFBJDG.html |
| 08:59.18 | kerio | you guys managed to run linux 3 on n900 right |
| 08:59.32 | Pali | but armv7-r support it: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0471c/BABGCBIF.html |
| 08:59.37 | jonwil | my god eapd is using a lot of different encryption algorithims |
| 08:59.40 | Pali | ARMv7-R supports optional byte order reversal hardware as a static option from reset |
| 09:00.10 | Pali | Wizzup: I was able to that in time of 3.12 (or 3.13?) |
| 09:00.31 | Pali | jonwil: eapd is replacement for wpa_supplicant |
| 09:00.46 | Pali | and it support lot of WPA/EAP methods |
| 09:00.49 | Wizzup | I guess the next question would be: Is it anywhere near usable? Or it is really just "managed to boot" |
| 09:00.59 | Wizzup | I saw http://elinux.org/N900 but googling more didn't show a lot more info |
| 09:01.02 | jonwil | wierd that Nokia didnt just use existing FOSS bits for that stuff (or did FOSS stuff that was suitable not exist at the time eapd was invented?) |
| 09:01.03 | Pali | Wizzup: maemo5 somehow working with my patches |
| 09:01.21 | Pali | jonwil: yes, this is bad :-( |
| 09:01.23 | Wizzup | wow, that's cool |
| 09:01.33 | Wizzup | Would love to know more about that if you find some time |
| 09:01.55 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900 |
| 09:04.05 | Pali | branch v3.12-rc5-n900 worked (I have it installed in my n900 in boot menu) |
| 09:04.59 | Pali | or you can try branch v3.13-rc7-n900 (it will work probably too) |
| 09:05.05 | Pali | Wizzup: ^^^ |
| 09:06.12 | Wizzup | thanks, I'll make some notes and try it later! |
| 09:07.01 | Wizzup | I also read that there was a modem driver in a recent mainline kernel |
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| 09:10.58 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 09:11.52 | APic | B-) |
| 09:17.46 | drathir | mornin... |
| 09:18.24 | drathir | think the try to debug startup process is really hard thing.... |
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| 09:24.51 | bencoh | Pali: phone stuff work as well ? |
| 09:25.21 | bencoh | +s |
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| 09:30.42 | Pali | phone (sms, voice calls) worked |
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| 09:44.40 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
| 09:48.24 | drathir | infobot: botsnack |
| 09:48.24 | infobot | drathir: aw, gee |
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| 10:34.30 | freemangordon_ | jonwil: great!!! (eapd) |
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| 10:43.00 | Sicelo | sees eapd.. what's up |
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| 10:48.41 | Sicelo | jonwil: \m/ |
| 10:50.00 | jonwil | my goal is to basically document all the external things eapd touches |
| 10:50.11 | jonwil | The algorithms it implements should be documented |
| 10:50.21 | jonwil | so its just a matter of figuring out how the rest of the system talks to it |
| 10:50.36 | Sicelo | you will have saved many of us (wpa_suppolicant works fine on N900, but too power hungry) |
| 10:50.42 | jonwil | and from there you know what an eapd replacement needs to do to be compatible |
| 10:50.52 | jonwil | so no it wont be a clone of eapd |
| 10:51.03 | jonwil | just info so someone else can write something that does the same thing |
| 10:51.19 | jonwil | using existing or new implementations of wep/wpa/etc |
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| 12:15.17 | jonwil | ok, first step in reverse engineering this beast complete, I have loaded into IDA info on all the external libraries eapd links to and input definitions of all the functions it imports |
| 12:15.28 | jonwil | now I can start looking at the dbus calls it makes or responds to |
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| 12:27.51 | stryngs | wow jonwil, you're talking some real hacking there. What ya working on? |
| 12:27.58 | stryngs | is very interested |
| 12:29.40 | jonwil | eapd aka osso-wlan-security |
| 12:30.01 | jonwil | intending to figure out every external interface it touches |
| 12:30.18 | jonwil | so the community can take that info and write a drop-in replacement for eapd if they want |
| 12:32.39 | stryngs | Description: Security software engine Provides support for better WLAN & WIMAX security |
| 12:32.51 | stryngs | wtf does it do? |
| 12:32.56 | stryngs | allow wpa or something? |
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| 12:48.05 | jonwil | yeah its got encryption and stuff for various WiFi security standards |
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| 13:03.22 | stryngs | Heh, okay, jonwil: Why change what works? Are there bugs? |
| 13:05.34 | jonwil | the intent is that someone could make the new thing support certain WiFi security standards that the N900 doesn't currently support |
| 13:18.46 | stryngs | Ok, then, Cool =) |
| 13:19.12 | bencoh | I guess you're aiming at EAP-SIM ? |
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| 13:40.28 | jonwil | whatever standards people want to add support for |
| 13:40.37 | jonwil | I am just providing the needed info to make replacing eapd possible |
| 13:44.47 | stryngs | http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2guye2/booksamillion_credit_cards_hacked/ |
| 13:45.33 | jonwil | I recon Visa/MasterCard and the banks should work more on systems that give you one-time-use card numbers |
| 13:45.58 | jonwil | A few banks already have them (not mine though) and they would stop this kind of situation being a problem |
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| 13:58.36 | Pali | bencoh: I think that Maemo eapd does *not* support EAP-SIM |
| 13:59.21 | Pali | stryngs: osso-wlan-security contains eapd daemon which implementing eap(ol?) client (similar what is in wpa supplicant) |
| 14:00.28 | Pali | I tested only EAP-MSCHAPV2 and EAP-GTC methods with eapd and it worked |
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| 14:00.48 | Veggen | jonwil: At least in Norway, it's common to enable/disable your card for a region. Did stop my card from being used illegally after I'd been in NY two years ago... |
| 14:00.48 | Pali | EAP-GTC has nice bug -- in GUI is missing button "remember password" |
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| 14:01.12 | Pali | so you need to enter password every time you connecting to network, nice :-) |
| 14:01.39 | Pali | but there is (hidden) gconf key from which eapd reading password, so playing with gconftool it is possible to store password into Maemo system |
| 14:01.44 | Veggen | jonwil: that is, some banks apply those mechanisms. |
| 14:02.00 | Pali | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/maemo5-_wpa2_eap_ttls-gtc/ |
| 14:02.14 | Veggen | but it doesn't apply to online usage. |
| 14:02.57 | jonwil | banks here do monitor for suspicious activity and will flag things that look dodgy |
| 14:03.10 | Veggen | here too. |
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| 14:03.34 | Pali | stryngs: reddit link not working |
| 14:04.26 | Veggen | I think that includes for example it being used in a shop in NY the day before and the day after being used in Norway. |
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| 14:05.20 | jonwil | The real solution to fraud is strong chip-and-pin based security (preventing physical card data from being stolen via skimmers etc) and one-time-only card numbers (or card numbers linked only to specific merchants or both) for non-physical transactions |
| 14:05.33 | Veggen | mm. |
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| 14:06.02 | Pali | ~#maemo eap-gtc-password is http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/maemo5-_wpa2_eap_ttls-gtc/ |
| 14:06.02 | infobot | Pali: okay |
| 14:06.18 | Veggen | chip-and-pin is mandatory in Norway. |
| 14:06.50 | stryngs | America is the only country without chip and pin...... |
| 14:07.07 | jonwil | Here in Australia they stopped allowing the use of singature for credit card transactions and require pin |
| 14:07.17 | jonwil | Chips are not mandatory but most banks have them now |
| 14:07.22 | jonwil | and most retailers have the readers |
| 14:10.29 | jonwil | Although I think if you have an American Express card you dont get one with a chip |
| 14:11.16 | bencoh | indeed |
| 14:13.32 | jonwil | not that any sane person would bother with one of those pieces of crap anyway :P |
| 14:13.56 | jonwil | unless u are super-rich and get one of the super-fancy ones because of all the perks and freebies |
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| 15:52.52 | sixwheeledbeast | It's possible to get the chip and the pin without even touching the card. If you know how. So Chip&Pin isn't the unfalible |
| 15:55.57 | mordac | Is the entire maemo platform open source? |
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| 16:14.20 | Sicelo | mordac: no |
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| 18:59.18 | vibe_ | hello |
| 19:05.31 | vibe_ | r ppl still using maemo devices at everyday basis? |
| 19:06.51 | kerio | idk, i'm not people |
| 19:08.04 | vibe_ | well let's change that to individuals then |
| 19:08.09 | merlin1991 | kerio: wth are you, and what did you do with kerio? |
| 19:08.14 | Tekk_ | vibe_: I am |
| 19:08.17 | kerio | i am |
| 19:08.26 | kerio | merlin1991: kerio was never people |
| 19:08.48 | vibe_ | great, me too |
| 19:09.04 | vibe_ | as the matter of fact i bought two of them |
| 19:09.18 | vibe_ | coz first one was kinda buggy |
| 19:10.13 | merlin1991 | I don't own a single one that has a working moden |
| 19:10.34 | kerio | i have two |
| 19:10.41 | kerio | one has a broken musb and a barely working modem |
| 19:10.45 | kerio | the other has a broken wifi antenna |
| 19:11.19 | vibe_ | in that case mine are like brand new |
| 19:11.46 | vibe_ | other is working flawlesly and other is randomly booting |
| 19:11.51 | nox- | still has a working one too |
| 19:12.00 | merlin1991 | vibe_: come to the dark side, instal cssu |
| 19:12.01 | kerio | randomly rebooting? why? |
| 19:12.11 | kerio | if it's software, just reflash |
| 19:12.14 | kerio | and then install cssu |
| 19:12.27 | vibe_ | just out of curiosity, what is ur best uptime? |
| 19:12.39 | vibe_ | it varies |
| 19:13.02 | vibe_ | i've had both common boot reasons |
| 19:13.04 | nox- | mine became really slow a few days ago and then when i opened it again it seemed to hang, had to take out that battery... |
| 19:13.13 | kerio | i dunno |
| 19:13.17 | kerio | months, i think |
| 19:13.24 | vibe_ | after a flash and with cssu stable without single app installed |
| 19:13.52 | nox- | s/that/the/ |
| 19:14.32 | nox- | i guess it was swapping too much? |
| 19:15.10 | kerio | nox-: can happen, yes |
| 19:15.28 | nox- | (this also was after weeks if not moths uptime) |
| 19:15.34 | nox- | +n |
| 19:16.11 | vibe_ | so far the bet i've reached was one hundred and six days |
| 19:16.16 | nox- | heh |
| 19:16.17 | vibe_ | best* |
| 19:16.40 | nox- | also found a reboot changes the usb ethernet mac |
| 19:16.57 | vibe_ | but for me it's amazing because i got used to weekly reboots of e90... |
| 19:17.07 | kerio | nox-: you can set it in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 19:17.14 | nox- | oh |
| 19:17.58 | vibe_ | has any of u given any thought of integrating opera and cutetube? |
| 19:18.22 | kerio | you're not good if your mac address is not de:ad:be:ef:ca:fe |
| 19:19.37 | nox- | vibe_, i found youtube frontends are usually broken when yt changes things around again... |
| 19:19.45 | Tekk_ | opera runs on maemo? |
| 19:20.04 | Tekk_ | wonders how old that version must be |
| 19:20.36 | vibe_ | think it was twelve something |
| 19:20.55 | Sicelo | and isn't opera closed source? and doesn't do flash.. not sure if it would be any good with cutetube |
| 19:21.09 | merlin1991 | Btw nox- on cssu or not, because in the stock firmware there is ie the bug with the lockscreen that leaks memory on each unlock |
| 19:21.44 | nox- | lockscreen as in where you enter the pin? |
| 19:22.09 | merlin1991 | No the slide thing |
| 19:22.14 | nox- | oh |
| 19:22.25 | nox- | usually just opens the keybaord |
| 19:22.31 | nox- | oa |
| 19:22.33 | vibe_ | 12.1beta.1-16 actually |
| 19:23.58 | vibe_ | well then is there any solution to link cutetube with some browser? |
| 19:24.26 | vibe_ | i saw some script for greasemonkey but did not try it out yet |
| 19:33.44 | vibe_ | oh well time to get some sleep |
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| 21:11.47 | sixwheeledbeast | vibe_: people have reported issues with Opera 12 segfaulting a while ago. I have gone back to using the stock browser |
| 21:13.05 | sixwheeledbeast | the new QML-browser while buggy at the moment runs HTML5 !yt videos :) |
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