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| 02:14.43 | gogogogo | hello, what's the sd card size limit for a nokia n900? |
| 02:15.25 | gogogogo | I can only find old threads when 64gb sd card still weren't available |
| 02:15.42 | gogogogo | today they are but I fail to find someone who had any experience about |
| 02:16.08 | bef0rd | 128GB uSDXC works like a charm... just format it when you put it in, the N900 throws a few errors up but once formatted its AOK. |
| 02:16.23 | bef0rd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72864&page=9 |
| 02:17.12 | gogogogo | god, that's majestic |
| 02:18.06 | gogogogo | thanks bef0rd |
| 02:19.03 | gogogogo | any heads-up for buying? |
| 02:20.35 | gogogogo | thanks, I found this link from the wiki |
| 02:20.37 | gogogogo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards |
| 02:21.02 | gogogogo | are there downloadable dumps from this wiki? They would be great to use with Evopedia when on the go |
| 02:23.07 | bef0rd | max capacity I used on my device was 16 GB, that 128 GB uSDXC is something from the TMO thread I linked |
| 02:24.39 | gogogogo | as I'm interested in 64GB at the moment I feel quite confident, there exists some reassuring feedback |
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| 02:43.55 | gogogogo | me, I'd rather drop mobile phones forever than shifting to any other mobile phone. N900 for ever. |
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| 03:31.49 | Luke-Jr | bef0rd: eh, you sure it doesn't silently corrupt stuff? :P |
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| 09:19.52 | raccoon_ | hey all. trying to score some replacement chassis screws for n900; managed to lose two of them... is nokiaparts.com stil recommended (old thread on maemo board), or is there a more reliable source? |
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| 11:59.41 | stryngs | Anyone else having issues with whois from busybox-power? |
| 12:00.02 | stryngs | ii busybox-power 1.20.2power5 |
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| 12:10.18 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 12:54.03 | merlin1991 | stryngs: issues as in what? |
| 12:54.36 | stryngs | doesnt work |
| 12:54.48 | stryngs | merlin1991: It used to, on the older kernel kp-46 |
| 12:55.02 | stryngs | I'm rocking kp-52 now, and for whatever reason it just hangs, as in: whois google.com |
| 12:55.05 | stryngs | Nothing happens |
| 12:55.16 | stryngs | Not a big deal, just grab some sourcecode and compile |
| 12:55.27 | merlin1991 | I tried just now and yep nothing happens |
| 12:55.30 | stryngs | Just wanted to mention it and see if anyone else experienced symptoms like mine |
| 12:55.34 | stryngs | haha |
| 12:55.37 | merlin1991 | stock kernel |
| 12:55.38 | stryngs | and kernel? |
| 12:55.39 | stryngs | oh |
| 12:55.45 | stryngs | well, it worked before |
| 12:55.47 | stryngs | that i know |
| 12:55.51 | merlin1991 | and in any case kernel should not affect whois ... |
| 12:55.53 | stryngs | Not sure if I upgraded busybox-power though |
| 12:55.58 | stryngs | Right, but u never know |
| 12:56.03 | stryngs | Especially with maemo's nonsense |
| 12:56.10 | stryngs | opt pymaemo and all the ilk |
| 12:56.53 | merlin1991 | I wonder what exactly is wrong with whois |
| 12:57.10 | stryngs | I'm guessing its: 1.20.2power5 -vs- 1.20.2power4 |
| 12:57.16 | stryngs | being power5 thats broken |
| 12:57.27 | stryngs | Cool, me found a bug =) |
| 12:57.43 | merlin1991 | nah it's not the kernel, since it fails for me on non-power kernel aswell |
| 12:57.47 | stryngs | DocScrutinizer51: We need a prescription |
| 12:58.04 | stryngs | I didnt say kernel, i did mention it, i was describing the apt-get version |
| 12:58.09 | stryngs | I'm bettin power4 works |
| 12:58.21 | merlin1991 | ah oops |
| 12:58.28 | merlin1991 | power-anything is always kernel for me xD |
| 12:58.33 | stryngs | hehe |
| 12:58.54 | stryngs | Thats good though, I've been doing some deep mods to mine, so its nice to hear its not my fault |
| 12:58.58 | stryngs | I'll email dudeman in charge of dev |
| 12:59.16 | merlin1991 | I had 1.22.1power1 though |
| 12:59.55 | stryngs | oh |
| 12:59.56 | stryngs | hmm |
| 13:00.00 | stryngs | dpkg --list | grep busybox-power |
| 13:00.05 | stryngs | which version do u have righ tnow? |
| 13:00.09 | stryngs | I'm going to email the maintainer |
| 13:00.14 | merlin1991 | what I wrote |
| 13:00.17 | stryngs | It'd be nice to ensure its only one version so to speak |
| 13:00.41 | merlin1991 | you can list the available versions with 'apt-cache policy busybox-power' |
| 13:00.54 | merlin1991 | and then install them via 'apt-get install busybox-power=VERSION' |
| 13:01.02 | stryngs | Right, but dpkg --list would show which version U have installed |
| 13:01.05 | stryngs | which is what im curious of |
| 13:01.18 | merlin1991 | I did have the 1.22.1power1 installed (removed it already again) |
| 13:01.23 | stryngs | Ah |
| 13:01.31 | stryngs | Ok, so confirmed for multiple revisions |
| 13:01.31 | stryngs | nice |
| 13:02.32 | stryngs | Alright, email sent |
| 13:02.36 | stryngs | We shall see what happens |
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| 14:35.12 | Pali | ~poettering |
| 14:35.12 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 14:35.40 | Pali | See this: http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
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| 15:51.09 | drathir | mornin... |
| 15:52.33 | NIN101 | Pali: this site didn't got everything right. |
| 15:59.14 | NIN101 | e. g. you can redirect journald logs to normal files. |
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| 17:38.02 | sixwheeledbeast | oh dear I think my battery is EOL. |
| 17:38.47 | sixwheeledbeast | was 50% charged and died with the "Recharge now" banner. |
| 17:39.47 | sixwheeledbeast | on removing the back cover it has swollen up. basically you can't shut the back cover any more with it in. |
| 17:39.55 | NIN101 | ouch :/ |
| 17:40.07 | sixwheeledbeast | looks around for his spares... |
| 17:40.15 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: yeah you don't want to use it |
| 17:41.28 | sixwheeledbeast | yep, it could go bang. |
| 17:42.30 | sixwheeledbeast | spare found. I will be investigating it's age when I have time later. I think it's approx 18 month old. |
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| 17:51.34 | bencoh | where do you guys buy batteries nowadays ? |
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| 18:07.38 | gogogogo | hello, what's the default file system for sd cards in Nokia N900? |
| 18:08.16 | Pali | gogogogo: FAT32 |
| 18:08.22 | freemangordon | bencoh: http://www.ebay.de/itm/NEU-PolarCell-Akku-1500mAh-Li-Ion-BL-5J-fuer-Nokia-5230-X6-00-5800-C3-00-5228-O-/190820715671 |
| 18:08.30 | Pali | by default only FAT32 is supported by Maemo in Nokia N900 |
| 18:08.57 | gogogogo | does this mean I can get it use other filesystems? |
| 18:09.08 | Pali | but with kernel-power other FSs are supported |
| 18:09.19 | Pali | and with CSSU also automouting is working |
| 18:09.24 | Pali | (of other FS) |
| 18:09.36 | Pali | gogogogo: which FS do you want to use? |
| 18:09.47 | gogogogo | Anything that doesn't limit my file size to 4GB |
| 18:10.09 | bencoh | freemangordon: thx |
| 18:10.14 | gogogogo | I'm considering purchasing a large SD card for wikipedia dumps that may be larger than that |
| 18:10.19 | bencoh | I think I need a new one as well :) |
| 18:10.23 | Pali | gogogogo: ext2/3/4 or UDF |
| 18:10.41 | gogogogo | kernel-power necessary right? |
| 18:10.42 | Pali | ext is not supported by any windows (without 3rd drivers) |
| 18:11.18 | Humpelstilzchen | How many n900 owners do mount their SD card under windows? |
| 18:11.18 | Pali | UDF is supported by Windows Vista+ Linux 2.6.32+ (kernel-power has backported patch) and by Mac OSX too |
| 18:11.44 | Pali | Humpelstilzchen: I sometimes: when using it as mass storage |
| 18:11.45 | gogogogo | I would, I'm not very linux literate but can format things under linux though |
| 18:12.06 | gogogogo | or you mean just plug it to a windows pc? |
| 18:12.14 | Pali | anyway I'm think that for OS compatibility, UDF FS is the best option |
| 18:12.42 | gogogogo | I will install some 3rd drivers, Windows will bow or die XD |
| 18:13.00 | Pali | if you want to use SD card only in linux (e.g. Maemo) than ext3 (or better ext4) is the best option |
| 18:13.37 | kerio | my sd card *must* stay inside my n900 |
| 18:13.44 | kerio | i don't have a swap partition anywhere else |
| 18:13.56 | Pali | NTFS/exFAT is not supported by linux (external semi-working drivers are not acceptable) |
| 18:14.00 | gogogogo | I can't be sure but I can organize my MyDocuments folder to keep ambigously-needed files and store only linux-reserved ones on the sd |
| 18:14.28 | Pali | FAT32 has problems (filename restrictions, file size restriction, poor fsck, slow speed....) |
| 18:15.09 | gogogogo | I should study some filesystem theory... |
| 18:16.00 | gogogogo | I just noticed that the dumps I'm going to download are split into 500MB part files, so FAT32 would work. But might be slow... |
| 18:16.29 | Pali | I think that ext4 is good option for SD cards (which are NAND based) when you correctly format it (ext4 options: stride, stripe_width) to align for erase block |
| 18:17.46 | gogogogo | is there any way to know if a file system may influence your battery life over another? |
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| 18:18.27 | Pali | gogogogo: this is good question. theoretical it can, but I do not know about any tests... |
| 18:18.53 | Pali | In my opinion problems can happen when too many files are fragmented |
| 18:19.18 | Pali | then file reading is slower and consume more I/O and CPU |
| 18:19.20 | gogogogo | I may understand that if ext4 is better for NAND memories, it may read/write in a more suitable/economic way.. so maybe save battery? |
| 18:19.38 | gogogogo | I never defragmented under linux, is it possible? |
| 18:19.56 | kerio | you don't defrag extfs |
| 18:20.00 | kerio | you don't defrag ntfs either |
| 18:20.07 | kerio | and you most definetely do not defrag a solid state drive |
| 18:20.12 | Humpelstilzchen | yes, you can defrag ext2/3/4 folders |
| 18:20.17 | Pali | 1) you do not access raw NAND memory (on SD card or SSD disks) |
| 18:20.54 | Pali | 2) In my opinion (I saw same tests), ext4 is better for SD cards as ext3 or ntfs |
| 18:21.03 | kerio | *than |
| 18:21.21 | kerio | why wouldn't it be better than ext3? |
| 18:21.54 | Pali | 3) defragmetning (on linux) is possible: ext2 has offline defrag utility (offline - you need to umount FS), ext4 has online defrag utility (supported by kernel driver!) |
| 18:22.40 | Pali | 4) but defragmenting ext* is not usually needed, structure of ext should prevent it and kernel driver is good at it |
| 18:23.00 | Humpelstilzchen | well you mostly defrag with cp -ar var var_new ... |
| 18:23.11 | kerio | Humpelstilzchen: no you don't, you use e4defrag |
| 18:23.20 | kerio | and let the driver actually defrag stuff |
| 18:23.29 | kerio | while keeping any file descriptor open |
| 18:23.42 | Pali | yes e4defrag call special ioctl which tell kernel driver to relocate & defrag file |
| 18:23.55 | Humpelstilzchen | kerio: sounds like it will work only on ext4 |
| 18:23.56 | Pali | working only with ext4 (no ext3/ext2) |
| 18:24.18 | kerio | it does |
| 18:24.47 | Pali | ext3 kernel driver does not have offline defrag support - for sure |
| 18:25.44 | Pali | anyway, I would ask you, do you know any disadvantage for UDF FS? |
| 18:26.19 | Humpelstilzchen | write support maybe? |
| 18:26.44 | Pali | win/linux/mac support writing to UDF |
| 18:27.08 | Pali | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format |
| 18:29.15 | Humpelstilzchen | so everything but winxp |
| 18:29.26 | Pali | yes |
| 18:29.51 | kerio | Pali: what about btrfs? |
| 18:30.36 | Pali | phoronix shown that in some tests it was slower then ext4... |
| 18:30.50 | Pali | and I think that btrfs is too complicated |
| 18:31.12 | Pali | and supported only by linux |
| 18:31.21 | Pali | and it is oracle product |
| 18:31.33 | Pali | which I do not like :-) |
| 18:34.18 | drathir | NIN101: yes is possible to redirect what i hear, but it break normal systemd... |
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| 18:44.30 | NIN101 | drathir: I dunno. |
| 18:47.35 | drathir | break how in default systemd store logs... |
| 18:49.30 | NIN101 | yeah, I didn't know. |
| 18:49.36 | drathir | in different logs per service is much cleaner personally for me... |
| 18:49.57 | NIN101 | I am sure you can filter journald logs per service. |
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| 18:53.01 | kerio | oh btw if your journald logs get corrupted just ignore it |
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| 18:53.31 | NIN101 | sure. |
| 18:58.57 | drathir | true if corrupted all services logs lost... |
| 19:01.06 | NIN101 | I just wanted to make point out not everything that site says is complete and true. |
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| 20:44.50 | drathir | NIN101: yes could be true not all mods/alternatives included... |
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| 20:49.19 | ecc3g | hmm cssu update down the airwaves.. |
| 20:55.09 | bencoh | hmm ? |
| 20:59.12 | ecc3g | dunno, got a update over the air, not sure what triggered it |
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| 21:27.22 | bleb | Is there any way to get group texting on N900? |
| 21:29.44 | kerio | cssu stable 7 |
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| 22:36.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Turns out I bought my battery Dec 2012 so it's ~20 months old. |
| 22:39.54 | sixwheeledbeast | ecc3g: it's your friendly CSSU team providing you with the latest bugfixes and security patches ;) |
| 22:41.53 | sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo7_.2803.09.2014.29 |
| 22:51.21 | sixwheeledbeast | A suppose 20 months isn't so bad for a Li-ion that gets discharged and then fully charged every 24 hours. So that's over 600 charge cycles. |
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| 23:04.31 | ecc3g | yeah I just saw there was a version info "2011" due to truncation that seemd a bit odd. |
| 23:04.56 | ecc3g | and yeah 20 months of daily complete charge/discharge is not bad... |
| 23:07.29 | ecc3g | I think the battery in my n900 is about 4 years old (it was "borrowed" from my old phone)... it only holds about 1050mAh now. I was charging every day (partial discharge, maybe 20%-30%) when I was using the nuron, and about a full discharge every two days now on the n900 |
| 23:10.11 | ecc3g | I'm surprised it hasn't decayed much since when I first was able to finally get calibrated. |
| 23:14.53 | sixwheeledbeast | ecc3g: people do get confused with the 2011 section of the package name. This will never change as it denotes the last Nokia version. "Smaemo7" is the important bit. |
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| 23:23.10 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: oooh so you did release it ! thanks \o/ |
| 23:23.30 | bencoh | (you and the others of course ;) |
| 23:26.19 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: actually merlin released it. I only tested it before PR |
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