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| 08:33.49 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: you had some objections about lis3lv02d driver in upstream kernel |
| 08:34.09 | Pali | can you write somewhere notes about it? |
| 08:40.38 | Pali | (btw, I found lis3 accelerometer in my notebook connected via smbus intel Lynx Point controller and lis3lv02d_i2c driver can detect and use it) |
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| 09:02.24 | wizbit | is it possible to convert mydocs to ext3? |
| 09:02.35 | wizbit | and let it automount |
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| 09:32.03 | wizbit | figured it out :D |
| 09:32.14 | wizbit | ext3 kicks the arse out of fat |
| 09:32.23 | wizbit | what keeps on getting corrupted |
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| 14:43.14 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: I believe some applications play up with non-FAT MyDocs |
| 14:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | camera had an issue since they created dcim/ but tried to write to DCIM/* or sth like that |
| 14:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | other than that, MyDocs *should* be fs-neutral. Of course except mass storage mode |
| 14:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm generally doubting ext3 (or any journalling fs in that respect) is really the ideal fs for flash. Journal is optimized for storage where sequencial writes take very little time and "come for free". On flash *every* write is something you better avoid if you can |
| 14:55.22 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05: see ^^^ about lis driver |
| 14:55.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. I pondered what to say |
| 14:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just so much: the driver MUST be based on IRQ driven concept. Poll is unacceptable. And it also must support a way to configure the filters of lis302 - a consequence from mandatory IRQ usage, since the filters determine when a IRQ will fire |
| 14:58.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 100Hz clocked mode is deprecated, even though it uses IRQ |
| 14:59.10 | sixwheeledbeast | It was to do with file permissions for the applications IIRC. |
| 14:59.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | generaly an IRQ must happen only when an event is pending |
| 14:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: that too |
| 14:59.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather: owner |
| 15:00.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | FAT doesn't know about file owners |
| 15:00.22 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 15:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like: when DCIM is missing, then a root process creates DCIM root:root 644. Then a user process tries to write to dcim/1st-photo.jpg |
| 15:03.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | on FAT that will work since no file owners and no 644 permissions either, and no distinguishing between upper and lower case filenames |
| 15:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I think that's been fixed by Nokia somewhere in PR1.2 or 1.3 |
| 15:09.39 | wizbit | could using the wrong charger damage the n900 battery / msd card? |
| 15:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 15:10.58 | wizbit | my mssd card keeps on getting corrupted |
| 15:11.33 | wizbit | maybe cfdisk is corrupting it |
| 15:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | a *defect* charger however could fry any device you plug to it |
| 15:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | mssd? |
| 15:12.38 | wizbit | yep |
| 15:13.09 | wizbit | i will mkfs.ext3 again |
| 15:13.19 | wizbit | could a defect battery corrupt it? |
| 15:13.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's mssd? |
| 15:14.09 | wizbit | the extra ssd card you install on a n900 |
| 15:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | commonly used terms are "eMMC" and micro-SD aka uSD or µSD |
| 15:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | "eMMC" is embedded MultiMediaCard |
| 15:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so MyDocs basically |
| 15:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | a defect battery that causes device to shut down hard, without an opportunity to flush/sync storage buffers, will definitely damage eMMC and uSD likewise |
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| 15:17.34 | wizbit | aye ok |
| 15:17.57 | wizbit | shutting down the phone from shutdown menu should be a clean to shut it down? |
| 15:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 15:22.20 | wizbit | what about if i did a shutdown from the terminal on the n900? |
| 15:22.23 | wizbit | or reboot |
| 15:27.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | should all be safe |
| 15:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | more or less |
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| 15:28.34 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: You on CSSU-T? |
| 15:28.55 | wizbit | cssu stable |
| 15:29.26 | wizbit | eMMC seems ok that moment |
| 15:29.44 | wizbit | i make sure i logout of ssh sessions and im not cd into a eMMC partition |
| 15:29.48 | wizbit | then reboot using phone only |
| 15:31.04 | wizbit | umount wont work if cd is on eMMC |
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| 17:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't umount anything before shutdown. initscripts do that for you |
| 17:43.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for reboot in terminal the preferred methos is `dsmetool --reboot` |
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| 17:47.15 | ShadowJK | Question is if the uSD card is corrupted already before reboots |
| 17:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, sure |
| 17:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor contacts may do havoc to uSD |
| 17:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | also there are bad cards that need no further trigger to corrupt data |
| 17:53.24 | ShadowJK | And don't run fsck on ext3 on sd |
| 17:53.42 | ShadowJK | but if also vfat is getting damaged... |
| 17:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | otoh removing battery too fast after shutdown is probably also a nice way to mess up stuff. Device is not off already when screen goes black, it still does another few seconds of cleanup in act-dead mode before it actually shits down |
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| 17:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | shuts*, but meh, fits |
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| 18:00.50 | ShadowJK | My samsung pro card has survived sudden powerloss many many times |
| 18:07.31 | kerio | yeah, fsck on ext3 on a sd is silly |
| 18:07.35 | kerio | just mount it and use it |
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