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| 15:51.22 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 15:51.46 | gogogogo | . |
| 15:52.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb |
| 15:52.17 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 15:55.23 | gogogogo | super netsplit |
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| 16:12.00 | Sicelo | hi. any tricks to be aware of to install bluemaemo? i'm running into dependency hell |
| 16:12.25 | kerio | what's bluemaemo |
| 16:12.39 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: stop trying to make yast a thing |
| 16:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a gnome ;-P |
| 16:13.31 | kerio | i'm sure it's the best thing ever |
| 16:13.33 | kerio | kinda like smart cars |
| 16:13.40 | kerio | and opera |
| 16:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's definitely a good entry point for noobs |
| 16:14.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's so good that even pros still use it |
| 16:15.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when I compare it to e.g. fedora's admin tools, I have a clear favorite. Yast beats that potpourri of apps in fedora hands down |
| 16:20.09 | kerio | debian > else |
| 16:21.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all Yast is a component of SLES (https://www.suse.com/products/server/). What's e.g. the enterprise edition of ubuntu? |
| 16:21.28 | kerio | i said debian |
| 16:22.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | OpenSuse is the free spinoff of SLES like Fedora is the free spinoff of RHEL, iirc |
| 16:23.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the enterprise version of debian? |
| 16:23.29 | kerio | debian stable :P |
| 16:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 16:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | debian is the primordial soup that has it all, but nobody makes a professional distro out of it |
| 16:26.29 | kerio | and yet it works |
| 16:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure. It's all linux and linux works |
| 16:26.53 | kerio | also |
| 16:26.55 | kerio | no systemd |
| 16:26.56 | kerio | yet |
| 16:28.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is a nice thing for somebody who ubderstands what systemd is and also already notices that it's a bad thing. For a noob however that's pretty much totally irrelevant |
| 16:28.53 | kerio | i expect an enterprisey dude to understand |
| 16:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the purpose of tools like Yast is to hide such details from user |
| 16:29.04 | kerio | anyway, it's still the best server distro ever |
| 16:29.11 | kerio | oh we're going deep end user here |
| 16:29.20 | kerio | like mariana trench user |
| 16:29.47 | kerio | i guess it works for that |
| 16:29.55 | kerio | idk if it's *that* better than mint tho |
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| 16:38.33 | Sicelo | having enabled swap on uSD, what do you do with the 'stock' swap? |
| 16:38.49 | sixwheeledbeast | nothing |
| 16:40.38 | sixwheeledbeast | well you could repartition the device to remove it completely. I think it's handy to have for removing the card on a booted system. |
| 16:40.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | keep it as spare |
| 16:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you accepted that 768MB is already more than enugh for swap on an OMAP3 system with only 256MB RAM, you will have no problem to swapon internal and swapoff uSD-swap |
| 16:43.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when however your uSD swap is larger than the internal one, you'ss see some 'funny' effects while doing that |
| 16:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll |
| 16:50.51 | Sicelo | i think i see where i was going wrong - was struggling to set priorities for the swap partitions |
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| 17:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | prio on swap isn't supported in stock busybox |
| 17:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ooh, I guess we all got you wrong? |
| 17:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you ask "what do I do after `swapon $usdswap` ? |
| 17:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | the answer to that is `swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3` |
| 17:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | keeping both but with different priorities (if you got proper swapon command that supports prio parameter) is possible but not recommended |
| 17:20.08 | Sicelo | i meant that. i blame myself for incomplete question |
| 17:21.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 17:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the swapoff command will take a while, until system has swapped all swap from old to new one |
| 17:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 17:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be in the range of minutes even |
| 17:24.02 | Sicelo | since i rarely have 'too' many things open, usually takes less than a minute |
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| 17:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapoff $usdswap; sleep 1; swapon $usdswap; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 17:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | is what's commonly known as swap defragmenting |
| 17:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | for your case with "primary" swap on uSD |
| 17:41.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | some users trigger this from a "cron" (actually alarmed) job, daily |
| 17:52.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flopswap |
| 17:52.57 | infobot | somebody said flopswap was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap |
| 17:52.58 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
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| 17:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :D |
| 17:54.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I defragment @ 4am on Tue, Thu, Sat, using flopswap/alarmed. |
| 17:55.59 | ecc2g | I think I hend up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :( |
| 17:56.14 | ecc2g | s/hend/end/ |
| 17:57.22 | sixwheeledbeast | weekends are not normally an issue. I find that swap gets battered during incoming work phone calls while other tasks are open. |
| 17:58.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ecc2g: uptime is underrated. If you "have" to reboot there is something wrong somewhere. |
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| 18:02.06 | ecc2g | yes, alas, it ended up being a dont care and likely a bad widget... |
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| 18:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# LANG=en_EN uptime |
| 18:03.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ad that's despite holidays, roaming, and constant hunting for next option for charging |
| 18:05.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/ec4437afae |
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| 18:30.28 | sixwheeledbeast | widgetz, yep I know there must be leaky ones in Extras but I can't pin them down. :( |
| 18:33.40 | sixwheeledbeast | hence, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373958&postcount=89 I now have minimal widgetz. |
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| 19:06.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | valgrind? |
| 19:09.34 | sixwheeledbeast | armel build? |
| 19:11.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | use the x86 build ;) |
| 19:14.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually I think it's been a failure to not have lint etc on cauldron autobuilder |
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| 20:18.37 | drathir | lol wifi fixed by own what i see... |
| 20:18.49 | drathir | really strange... |
| 20:18.57 | stryngs | drathir: ? |
| 20:19.26 | drathir | stryngs: have problems with wifi signal... |
| 20:20.00 | drathir | now magically works... |
| 20:20.29 | stryngs | gotta love magic |
| 20:21.25 | drathir | yep, but mostly like to know how things was fixed... |
| 20:21.31 | stryngs | True |
| 20:21.40 | stryngs | What were the symptoms? |
| 20:21.54 | stryngs | Just signal for wifi on the n900 specifically? |
| 20:23.05 | drathir | stryngs: big loss in the signal strength works in ~30cm range from the router... |
| 20:23.55 | stryngs | And other devices? |
| 20:24.07 | drathir | router fully functional other devices phones/laptops connecting w/o problems... |
| 20:24.22 | stryngs | hmm, that is strange |
| 20:24.27 | stryngs | Do you have power kernel? |
| 20:24.38 | stryngs | Perhaps wrong drivers got loaded somehow |
| 20:25.55 | drathir | yes really strange, not works till few months, and broken also w/o reason and yess powerkernel, but the same behaviours was on the normal one too... |
| 20:27.15 | stryngs | DocScrutinizer51, he would be your best bet I think at any further diagnosis |
| 20:27.26 | stryngs | The n900 is a puzzlepiece sometimes |
| 20:27.55 | drathir | with DocScrutinizer51 in the past we debuging the drivers and was look correct... idk how but good works again... |
| 20:29.04 | drathir | maybe wifi go to holiday, because was tired a bit... |
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| 21:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | WiFi antenna contact dirty |
| 21:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | seeing this for FMTX all the time |
| 21:34.14 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: what's the best method for cleaning aerial contacts. I have poor GSM and WiFi signals on my daily device. |
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| 21:43.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | rubber eraser. Or rough unvarnished carton |
| 21:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | the blue rubber with sand in it |
| 21:44.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | usuallym carton works better |
| 21:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and bending the sprimgs just a tiny bit out to give then new bite helps a lot |
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| 21:47.56 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I will try that. Having a lot of "ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up" messages... |
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