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09:26.40zGrrmoin :)
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15:17.10txt-filewow … still so many people are using a maemo based device?
15:17.26keriosure
15:17.27keriowhy not
15:17.33kerioit's like the best mobile OS
15:17.35bencoh:-)
15:17.42txt-filei know
15:18.07ecc3git has everything you need and everything you don't...
15:18.21kerioexcept for a recent firefox
15:18.47ecc3gI just dont want googled or appled
15:19.16txt-fileyeah … at least on android there is a huge speed improvement between the first fennec versions and the current version
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15:20.42txt-filebut currently I am trying to reactivate one of my two n900 and use it as sip telephone ;-)
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15:39.02txt-fileIs there a way to completely flash the n900 so that all old settings and file are overwritten?
15:39.21txt-fileI tried the combined image but it still loads some old settings.
15:43.14NIN101you need to flash emmc/vanilla
15:43.20NIN101http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Updating_the_firmware_using_the_Nokia_Software_Updater
15:43.44NIN101oops, more preciesley: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#N900
15:46.25txt-filethanks NIN101 … am downloading the image now
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16:24.58DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: N900 is simply great as SIP VoIP phone, for me
16:25.43DocScrutinizer05other rare reports are vastly differing. Never got to the root cause of such differences
16:27.27DocScrutinizer05I even use VoIP via UMTS data and it usually just works
16:28.31DocScrutinizer05one flaw: there seems no way to bind VoIP to WiFi connection only, so it doesn't try to operate via e.g. 2G data
16:29.22txt-filedoes VoIP work on an 32kbit/s connection?
16:29.32DocScrutinizer05hardly
16:29.44DocScrutinizer05on the limit
16:29.53DocScrutinizer05usually not
16:30.40DocScrutinizer05it *could* theoretically work down to 14,400
16:30.57DocScrutinizer05with the right codec and no jitter etc
16:31.19DocScrutinizer05but usually you want 64k or even 128k to make it work
16:32.47txt-fileyeah … everything above 64k should be fine
16:33.21DocScrutinizer05uLaw and aLaw (the most usual codecs) need 64kb/s anyway
16:33.33bencohgsm needs less afair
16:33.40DocScrutinizer05sure
16:33.47DocScrutinizer05GSM needs 9600
16:33.55DocScrutinizer05roundabout
16:33.59txt-filebut here in GER you mostly get contracts where you are shaped to 32kbit/s after a given amount of traffic
16:34.09txt-filelikes Ogg Opus.
16:34.55DocScrutinizer05iLBC is also a commonly used codec, which is designed for low bandwidth
16:35.34DocScrutinizer05it however depends on the set of codecs your peer station supports
16:36.02DocScrutinizer05I'm on sipgate.de and their gateways are kinda fine
16:39.18DocScrutinizer05bencoh: (GSM) though there's halfrate and enhanced full rate
16:39.39DocScrutinizer05HR 4800,  EHR 14400 iirc
16:39.48DocScrutinizer05EFR*
16:40.35DocScrutinizer05the difference from 9600 to 14400 originally been error correction redundancy
16:41.12DocScrutinizer0514400 is the genuine 2G basic single-slot datarate
16:43.19DocScrutinizer05EFR yields better audio quality on channels with low error rate
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17:14.36bencohDocScrutinizer05: sipgate ... is that voipbuster
17:14.38bencoh?
17:14.55DocScrutinizer05no, that's sipgate.de
17:15.29bencohhmm, never mind, I thought they were related but that was another company
17:15.39DocScrutinizer05http://www.sipgate.de/
17:16.27DocScrutinizer05http://www.live.sipgate.co.uk/
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17:18.05nokiabot_home/user # apt-get --reinstall install mmmrpc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
17:18.41nokiabot_how do i get rid of it
17:20.22nokiabot_it comes up everytine i try to install anything
17:21.01nokiabot_i think damm fam is culprit
17:21.23nokiabot_it messes things up
17:23.41nokiabot_mp community pr somehow got removed as nothing on about cssu
17:24.10nokiabot_camera isint working anymore
17:27.03nokiabot_now the system reboots suddenly and a banner warning an unexpected reeboot ouccord your custom kernel power settings were not loaded
17:28.34nokiabot_i dont want a reflash just want the camera working again for now
17:29.29ecc3godd... had a weird slowdown on my n900 that didn't get fixed by rebooting, but a power cycle seems to have fixed it...
17:30.16kerio~fapman
17:30.17infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam
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17:55.40DocScrutinizer51~hamvsfam
17:55.41infobotrumour has it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
17:56.04DocScrutinizer51~factinfo hamvsfam
17:56.04infobotDocScrutinizer51: there's no such factoid as hamvsfam
17:56.24DocScrutinizer51~hamvsfam
17:56.24infoboti guess hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
17:56.55DocScrutinizer51~factinfo hamvsfam
17:56.55infobotthere's no such factoid as hamvsfam, DocScrutinizer51
17:57.11DocScrutinizer51~factinfo #maemo hamvsfam
17:57.11infobot#maemo hamvsfam -- created by sixwheeledbeast <~paul@cl-1547.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net> at Sun Nov  3 21:56:06 2013 (295 days); last modified at Thu May 29 22:28:37 2014 by sixwheeledbeast!~paul@2a01:348:6:860a:accf:885c:b712:2623; it has been requested 12 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 47s ago.
17:57.35sixwheeledbeasthello
17:59.21DocScrutinizer51as a general rule when the factoid key itself is highly unique or significantly related to #maemo already, there's no need to make the factoid channel specific (prefix "#maemo ")
18:01.02DocScrutinizer51~hamvsfam is <reply> see #maemo hamvsfam
18:01.03infobotokay, DocScrutinizer51
18:01.26DocScrutinizer51~factinfo hamvsfam
18:01.26infobothamvsfam -- created by DocScrutinizer51 <~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg> 23s ago.
18:01.50DocScrutinizer51~_default hamvsfam
18:01.50infobot#maemo hamvsfam is, like, https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227
18:02.56DocScrutinizer51~multiboot
18:02.56infobotmultiboot is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot
18:03.21DocScrutinizer51~literal multiboot
18:03.21infobot"#maemo multiboot" is "http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot"
18:04.42DocScrutinizer51~_default multiboot
18:04.42infobotit has been said that multiboot is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiboot
18:05.05DocScrutinizer51;-)
18:06.06DocScrutinizer51~elop
18:06.06infobotfrom memory, elop is definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls
18:06.30DocScrutinizer51~literal elop
18:06.30infobot"elop" is "definetely a microsoft spy and one of the most successful corporate trolls"
18:06.44DocScrutinizer51~factinfo elop
18:06.44infobotelop -- created by Alex[sp3dev] <~alexander@86.110.163.19> at Sat Jun 18 22:25:28 2011 (1164 days); last modified at Thu Aug 30 16:04:18 2012 by docscrutinizer05; it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 38s ago.
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18:51.53nokiabotany one here
18:52.39nokiabotmy device reeboted and ate the last bar:D
18:53.12bencohmmh ?
18:53.31nokiabotwhat should i do to get the cam working again
18:57.43nokiabot.
18:59.16nokiabotusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.  /home/user # apt-get purge mmmrpc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. /home/user #  
19:00.22nokiaboti used fam and now i have a broken system
19:01.43nokiabotabout cssu is blank trying to install any package tells to remove mmmrpc
19:02.34nokiabotcamera not working no errors just camera ui is blank
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19:06.07nokiabothow to get the cam working without a reflash
19:06.21nokiaboti am on thumb
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19:09.16nokiabothome/user # apt-get install blessn900 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: The package mmmrpc needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. /home/user #  
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19:10.52nokiabotnothing seems to get installed or removed all want this mmmrpc to be removed
19:11.08txt-fileand what is mmmrpc?
19:11.52nokiabotdpkg --force-remove dosent help either
19:13.28nokiabottxt_file:mmm remote phone control
19:15.08nokiabottxt-file: an utility to use any j2me ph as a keyboard
19:16.14txt-filekk
19:20.11kerionokiabot: have you just tried dpkg -R
19:20.48nokiabotfam should be put to extras devel
19:21.04txt-fileand you should probably search for a repository which serves mmmrpc
19:21.27nokiabotkeiro:checking
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19:23.34nokiabotkeiro:home/user # dpkg -r mmmrpc dpkg: error processing mmmrpc (--remove):  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing:  mmmrpc /home/user #  
19:25.49txt-filenokiabot, have you tried to do what dpkg tells you to do?
19:26.12nokiabotjust give me walls of text to put in xterm
19:27.43nokiabottxt-file: i dont know it dosent say a thing
19:28.28txt-filei cite „you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal”
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19:31.36nokiabot_again reebooted
19:31.55nokiabot_sit*
19:32.54txt-filei cite from your dpkg output: „you should  reinstall it before attempting a removal”
19:33.06nokiabot_txt-file: no same problem
19:33.48nokiabot_how one does that
19:34.03nokiabot_just to be sure
19:35.37txt-fileget the .deb from from somewhere and install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/deb"
19:35.49nokiabot_i just need the cam working for now as i am nowhere near a reflash
19:36.39nokiabot_wait trying that
19:46.17nokiabot_cant seem to find still searching
19:52.15nokiabot_repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/m/mmmrpc/
19:52.18txt-fileyeah … dpkg also said „[…], but I can't find an archive for it.”
19:52.31nokiabot_is this deb
19:52.50txt-fileyeah
19:58.26nokiabot_mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel its the package name residing in my docs
19:58.48nokiabot_i cant seem to get it done
20:00.56nokiabot_dpkg -i mydocs/mmmrpc-0.8_1 armel
20:01.10nokiabot_is it like that
20:07.30nokiabot_humm something i am doing wrong
20:07.40txt-filemaybe
20:08.05txt-fileif you tell us what you are doing we might be able to help you
20:09.02nokiabot_txt-file: can you write out the proper command pls
20:09.36txt-filedownload the deb and then install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/file"
20:09.43nokiabot_its in the root
20:10.27nokiabot_is cd necessary
20:10.33txt-fileno
20:12.48txt-filedpkg -i /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb
20:12.49nokiabot_so it should be like dpkg -i /mydocs/filename
20:13.44txt-file1. you need to append the filename
20:13.52nokiabot_home/user # dpkg -i /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb dpkg: error processing /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb (--install):  cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing:  /mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb /home/user #  
20:14.10txt-filewhere have you saved the file?
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20:16.03nokiabot_i saved it to the root dir in emmc
20:16.39txt-fileah …
20:17.07nokiabot_ok you make up a dir i will create it much easier:D
20:18.28nokiabot_@txt its not inside any folder
20:18.50txt-filethen it might be the best idea to cd to that dir and then do a "dpkg -i ./mmmrpc_0.8-1_armel.deb"
20:19.22txt-filefor the operating system it is always in a folder
20:20.19nokiabot_cd :/damm/filename like this
20:22.40txt-fileplease paste the output of "pwd"
20:22.44txt-file(without the "")
20:24.14nokiabot_in/sh: cd: can't cd to : /home/user # cd :home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to :home/user/mydocs /home/user # cd : home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cd: can't cd to : /home/user # cdpwd :home/user/mydocs /bin/sh: cdpwd: not found /home/user #  
20:25.05nokiabot_oh too much noise:d
20:26.58nokiabot_err
20:28.23nokiabot_its not getting posted here
20:28.55nokiabot_anyway it dosent have a output
20:30.31nokiabot_got any other idea
20:34.17nokiabot_ok bye
20:34.40nokiabot_thanks for help
20:35.03nokiabot_need some sleep now
20:35.47nokiabot_try again lafer :)
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21:55.09nanooq_hi all.
21:55.16nanooq_where can I download the firmware?
21:57.41nanooq_nokia does not host them anymore
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21:58.07nox-~skeiron
21:58.32nox-hm looks dead
21:58.53nanooq_(09:56:14 PM) nanooq: jo
21:58.54nanooq_(09:56:26 PM) nanooq: weiß bescheid
21:59.07nanooq_sorry.
21:59.16nox-http://galif.eu/nokia/N900/
21:59.17nanooq_tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <- you mean?
22:00.32nanooq_nox-: merci for the link
22:00.57nox-tinyurl.com/239j9yq
22:01.10nox-pr 1.3
22:02.53nox-np
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22:12.00txt-fileyou can also try the internet archive
22:14.09nox-hm yeah http://web.archive.org/web/20131117073522/http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/
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22:34.11DocScrutinizer05see /topic
22:34.36DocScrutinizer05~tabletsdev
22:34.36infobot[tabletsdev] http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
22:34.46DocScrutinizer05~combined
22:34.46infoboti heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
22:34.53DocScrutinizer05~emmc
22:34.53infobotextra, extra, read all about it, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
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22:35.01infobotrumour has it, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz.   HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
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