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| 12:44.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | somehow I think in Spain the telcos have already started next round of price battle which is unknown yet in Germany |
| 12:47.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | 16bucks for ADSL and mobile free voice minutes and 1.5GB mobile data |
| 12:47.27 | kerio | neat |
| 12:47.36 | kerio | wait what's a buck |
| 12:48.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | EUR |
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| 12:52.04 | kerio | i see |
| 12:52.06 | kerio | yeah that's not bad |
| 12:52.20 | kerio | i pay 5⬠for 100mb/day |
| 12:52.37 | kerio | but that's not tied to my landline |
| 12:52.41 | kerio | which isn't mine, it's my parents' |
| 12:52.44 | kerio | (technically) |
| 12:53.14 | APic | I pay like 25⬠for 50 down, 10 up |
| 12:53.26 | kerio | well fuck you and your l33t home connection |
| 12:53.28 | APic | But also Phoneflatrate |
| 12:53.43 | kerio | i pay 25⬠for 20down 1up |
| 12:53.44 | APic | In the whole Germanys |
| 12:53.49 | APic | ic |
| 12:53.51 | kerio | which is like 16down 1up at best |
| 12:53.55 | APic | *eg* |
| 12:54.12 | kerio | but yeah, i also have a flat rate for any national call |
| 12:54.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | APic: which provider? |
| 12:54.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | kabel? |
| 12:54.36 | APic | M-Net |
| 12:54.51 | APic | Munich City Public Utilities |
| 12:55.01 | APic | V-DSL which gets transformed to Fiber Optic |
| 12:55.10 | APic | Pretty close to the Building |
| 12:55.10 | kerio | neat |
| 12:55.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | M-net offers 50 dpwn?? |
| 12:55.13 | APic | Yeah. |
| 12:55.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: you live in the wrong city |
| 12:55.25 | APic | Munich owns |
| 12:55.27 | kerio | unless you live in munich |
| 12:55.31 | APic | B-) |
| 12:55.33 | kerio | in which case you live in the right city but you suck |
| 12:55.54 | APic | You cannot possess every Thing |
| 12:55.59 | APic | Or Attribute |
| 12:55.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd hate to live in munich |
| 12:56.33 | kerio | but sweet internets |
| 12:56.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | but I'm pretty sure M-net is available in Nue as well |
| 12:56.58 | wnd | 65 euro/month for 24/3 Mb/s home ADSL (with routed 29-prefix ipv4, 48-prefix ipv6, absolutely no filtering), 5 euro/month for mobile contract with unlimited data at blazing fast 512 kb/s, obviously no free minutes or messages |
| 12:57.02 | APic | Yeah, they expanded quite a Lot |
| 12:57.27 | APic | Well, they block complete V4 from the Outside |
| 12:57.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | I even think I (technicqally my landlord and friend) have M-net |
| 12:57.35 | APic | Can only be reached from the Intarwebs with V6 |
| 12:57.37 | APic | But that's ok |
| 12:57.40 | APic | V6 > V4 B-) |
| 12:58.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | but we got 16v2 |
| 12:58.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | 16/2 |
| 12:58.50 | APic | So ADSL2+ instead of VDSL prolly |
| 12:58.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | for sth like 25 |
| 12:58.56 | APic | k |
| 12:59.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, no vdsl |
| 12:59.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I think we couldn't even get VDSL from m-net |
| 13:00.28 | kerio | wnd: unlimited mobile data? what |
| 13:00.35 | kerio | i thought it didn't exist |
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| 13:02.40 | wnd | I never tried saturating the line 24/7, but that's what they claim |
| 13:03.06 | kerio | i thought i was lucky to get 1gb/day for 30⬠|
| 13:03.14 | kerio | (also free ipad) |
| 13:04.10 | bencoh | "with routed 29-prefix ipv4" <3 |
| 13:04.42 | bencoh | is that a commercial ISP or a non-profit/volunteers ornganization ? :) |
| 13:04.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: at 512kbps the data volume per month is factually technically pretty limited ;P |
| 13:05.20 | kerio | bencoh: 8 addresses is pretty fucking awesome |
| 13:05.22 | kerio | ok, 6 |
| 13:05.23 | kerio | ls |
| 13:05.29 | kerio | er, whoops |
| 13:05.31 | wnd | commercial ISP, mainly aimed at businesses, but I'm just a regular customer |
| 13:05.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: i have to constantly keep track of what i'm using |
| 13:05.46 | kerio | otherwise i end up paying more |
| 13:05.51 | kerio | 20c/100mb |
| 13:05.52 | bencoh | kerio: yeah |
| 13:06.53 | bencoh | (well you can get that from business-aiming ISP here ... as well as from volunteer organizations :) |
| 13:07.01 | bencoh | but it's always surprising :) |
| 13:07.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: with my O2 inet-m plan it's even worse. I fall back to sth like 20ct per 10kb or minute |
| 13:07.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | SUCKERS |
| 13:07.31 | kerio | 512 kbps is 64KB/s right |
| 13:07.32 | wnd | I used to have two static IP addresses until they fscked up their set up, breaking my ipv6 regularly. I suppose they got fed up with my support tickets and offered to replace the bridged+routed abomination with a (routed) subnet, free of charge. Being their customer for the past seven years probably had a say there. |
| 13:07.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: kinda |
| 13:08.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | though not RL |
| 13:08.15 | kerio | ok even assuming it's 512000 bits |
| 13:08.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's more like 50 |
| 13:08.54 | kerio | it's still 123.5GB/month |
| 13:09.04 | wnd | hmm, s/customer/consumer/ |
| 13:09.16 | bencoh | "bridged+routed abomination" haha :-) |
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| 13:17.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | o.O |
| 13:17.33 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: i expect a provider to provide 50KB/s |
| 13:17.36 | kerio | i mean come on |
| 13:18.25 | APic | wb erlehmann |
| 13:18.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, but they may throttle that to incredib.y low speed after you tripped some volume threshold |
| 13:19.09 | kerio | my provider used to do that last year |
| 13:19.24 | kerio | like, they reserved the right to throttle you down HARD if you used too much in a single day |
| 13:19.32 | kerio | no wait, if you used too much over three or four days |
| 13:23.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, they do that any damn way they lie |
| 13:23.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | like* |
| 13:24.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | bandwidth never is guaranteed |
| 13:24.30 | erlehmann | hi APic |
| 13:24.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | even on ADSL they use to offer "up to" bandwidth |
| 13:25.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a damn scam |
| 13:26.19 | kerio | well i never got throttled this year |
| 13:26.32 | kerio | but then again there were like literally no people around |
| 13:26.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, but technically they could |
| 13:26.47 | kerio | of course |
| 13:26.49 | kerio | they own the routers |
| 13:27.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | and they will when you try do 'abuse' your flatrate |
| 13:28.23 | APic | erlehmann: Unteralterbach.net still resides on my patient .plan B-) |
| 13:28.31 | erlehmann | APic lel |
| 13:28.35 | APic | lulz |
| 13:29.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | APic: ??? |
| 13:29.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | a riddle? |
| 13:33.51 | APic | Yes, ignore my Conservations with erlehmann please, we were offtopic, sorry. |
| 13:36.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | np, just wondering |
| 13:36.53 | erlehmann | DocScrutinizer05 i designed the web site for the visual novel http://unteralterbach.net |
| 13:36.57 | erlehmann | APic knows |
| 13:37.28 | APic | *nod* |
| 13:38.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, visual novel. |
| 14:03.25 | jon_y | visual novels on the n900? :) |
| 14:05.17 | silviof | DocScrutinizer51: The name for sourcefiles of UAB2.0 is nice :-P |
| 14:11.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ? |
| 14:13.47 | APic | jon_y: Yes, even the N900 has several Webbrowsers available. B-) |
| 14:14.01 | jon_y | APic: web based VN? |
| 14:14.11 | APic | Yes? |
| 14:14.28 | jon_y | non-Japanese VNs tend to use renPy |
| 14:14.43 | jon_y | probably runs on the N900 too |
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| 18:01.31 | wizbit | is there a youtube app for maemo what works with most videos? |
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| 18:13.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | you happen to know about a (good) offline aka local dicionary De/En/Es ? For N900 |
| 18:14.20 | Humpelstilzchen | DocScrutinizer51: is the GUI or the dictionary the problem? |
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| 18:29.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I take whaever I can get ;D |
| 18:30.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course a cmdline tool isn't ideal |
| 18:30.58 | Humpelstilzchen | Well for en I use mstardict with a dictionary from dict.cc |
| 18:31.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds good |
| 18:31.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | since it starts with 'm' ;D |
| 18:31.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks! |
| 18:31.58 | Humpelstilzchen | you say that until you find out that you have to convert the dict.cc dictionary with a stardict tool |
| 18:32.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 18:33.20 | Humpelstilzchen | I probably should have created a wiki entry for this.. |
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| 19:52.50 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/18/linux_kernel_devs_made_to_finger_their_dongles_before_contributing_code/ |
| 19:53.11 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; click comments. scroll down to "Good Start". Upvote ;-) |
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| 20:05.09 | dos1 | ShadowJK: :D |
| 20:05.56 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer51: to save you checking the url on roaming: "Now if they can just find a way to stop Lennart Poettering from making any more malicious changes" ;) |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAH! :-) |
| 20:08.12 | bencoh | dos1: :D |
| 20:08.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | worth a vnc session |
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| 20:51.25 | sixwheeledbeast | hi M4rtinK :) |
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| 21:02.04 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: hi! :) |
| 21:03.20 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I used Modrana to track while walking Snowdon last week |
| 21:04.24 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: nice! did it work fine ? :) |
| 21:04.45 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: unfortunately not :( |
| 21:04.56 | M4rtinK | aww |
| 21:05.08 | sixwheeledbeast | I had sigx issues several times |
| 21:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: sorry, requires a registering I'm not willing to do |
| 21:05.28 | sixwheeledbeast | which eventually killed the battery |
| 21:06.03 | M4rtinK | yeah, it would probably be fine with screen off as a logging-only device |
| 21:06.03 | sixwheeledbeast | you know, black screen with the backlight on. |
| 21:06.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Anyway some feedback... |
| 21:06.45 | M4rtinK | I wonder if there is some recent change that made it worse regarding the SGX crash... |
| 21:07.20 | sixwheeledbeast | Tried with my usual setup, black screen issue after ~30 minutes. |
| 21:07.45 | sixwheeledbeast | then with swap on device in stock location, black screen after ~5 minutes. |
| 21:08.33 | sixwheeledbeast | then swap on device and power kernel at stock settings, black screen after ~5 miuntes |
| 21:08.59 | M4rtinK | that's interesting |
| 21:09.17 | M4rtinK | looks like the faster (?) it can, the faster it happens |
| 21:09.32 | M4rtinK | maybe some sort of out of memory issue ? |
| 21:09.34 | sixwheeledbeast | However, I had good results by setting the tracking settings to 5secs log, 1minute record. |
| 21:09.43 | M4rtinK | that would indeed happen faster with on device swap |
| 21:10.04 | M4rtinK | it did influence the crash ? |
| 21:11.00 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: did which influence the crash? |
| 21:13.23 | M4rtinK | I mean if memory consumption might be influencing it |
| 21:14.09 | sixwheeledbeast | I seemed to work out that longer logging and saving periods stopped the crashing. The OTB 1sec/10sec settings cause issues. |
| 21:14.11 | M4rtinK | could you try something like running a script that runs free>memory.log every 10 seconds ? |
| 21:14.33 | M4rtinK | hmm, that's strange |
| 21:14.50 | M4rtinK | that indeed should be pretty much independent of graphics |
| 21:15.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Example I logged the trip home in the car fine for ~2hours with log 5sec/save 1min |
| 21:15.22 | M4rtinK | well it uses GObject timers |
| 21:15.54 | M4rtinK | so there might be a race condition that does not trigger if the timer is longer |
| 21:16.23 | M4rtinK | well, I guess all at this to the docs as a potential workaround |
| 21:17.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Also some other feedback, I seem to be dumped out of the menus if I select some options this is not ideal. |
| 21:18.14 | sixwheeledbeast | Say for example changing the colour of a tracklog |
| 21:18.47 | M4rtinK | dumped ? |
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| 21:19.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Sorry, as in back to the map screen :) |
| 21:19.25 | M4rtinK | oh, yeah - it should go back to the submenu, not to map |
| 21:19.36 | M4rtinK | ok, noted :) |
| 21:19.49 | M4rtinK | BTW, there is a few other such kinks |
| 21:20.07 | M4rtinK | for example long pressing the back button should always return you back to the map |
| 21:20.17 | M4rtinK | but there are still some menus that don't do that :D |
| 21:20.44 | sixwheeledbeast | okay I didn't know that |
| 21:20.48 | M4rtinK | (as the back button handling was no united in early modRana development and old code is still lurking) |
| 21:21.17 | M4rtinK | well, it is not very discoverable & modRana lacks a proper manual |
| 21:21.33 | M4rtinK | so now you know it :) |
| 21:22.38 | sixwheeledbeast | :D also changing the "mode" does this but I feel this is useful. |
| 21:22.43 | M4rtinK | also you can zoom by volume buttons :) |
| 21:22.58 | M4rtinK | yeah, that is working as intended |
| 21:23.18 | M4rtinK | sometimes it is on purpose - and sometimes by mistake :) |
| 21:25.30 | M4rtinK | any reports how to improve the GUI are of course welcome |
| 21:26.40 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: the only other thing I struggle to reproduce is a crash. If I scroll around the map with "dragging on full redraw" if I have lots of tiles downloading it can crash. However, I fail to reproduce it in a terminal for any output :( |
| 21:30.12 | M4rtinK | well, there is a lot of outdated & hacked together libs that can go boom :) |
| 21:30.54 | M4rtinK | on Maemo |
| 21:31.51 | M4rtinK | one library segfaulting while being called by Python |
| 21:32.19 | M4rtinK | and the only output you normally get is the line: "segmentation fault" :) |
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| 21:32.35 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: it's ok, I just hate intermittent issues. I like to provide some debug information with my reports, even if it's segfault :) |
| 21:35.09 | M4rtinK | well, you can tell modRana to always log to file |
| 21:35.16 | M4rtinK | once started |
| 21:35.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Are there any other hidden shortcuts with Modrana? besides holding back button that is :) |
| 21:35.39 | M4rtinK | so that should give you something once you get another crash |
| 21:41.44 | M4rtinK | you can zoom with volume buttons |
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| 21:42.51 | M4rtinK | but I think that's pretty much it |
| 21:42.56 | M4rtinK | maybe some less apparent functionality |
| 21:43.05 | M4rtinK | like setting your position on a POI |
| 21:43.21 | M4rtinK | batch updating only the tiles you have |
| 21:43.31 | M4rtinK | the configurable widgets |
| 21:43.42 | M4rtinK | telling modRana not to download/store map tiles |
| 21:43.59 | M4rtinK | moving the various folders (tiles, tracklogs, etc.) |
| 21:44.05 | M4rtinK | with config values |
| 21:44.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Only thinking you could have a "quick guide" in the info menu for the shortcuts? I guess the keyboard keys aren't used to move about the menus? |
| 21:44.41 | M4rtinK | well, not yet |
| 21:45.06 | M4rtinK | would be indeed a nice addition :) |
| 21:45.23 | M4rtinK | I've been thinking about adding support for the gamegripper :) |
| 21:45.38 | M4rtinK | like moving the map/navigating if you have mittens :) |
| 21:46.02 | M4rtinK | would be fun :) |
| 21:46.42 | M4rtinK | also a bit hidden functionality |
| 21:46.53 | M4rtinK | modRana has various CLI options |
| 21:47.17 | M4rtinK | you can for example tell it to search for the nearest pizza and show the results |
| 21:47.42 | M4rtinK | it even handles all the stuff like waiting for connectivity and GPS to become available :) |
| 21:48.08 | M4rtinK | this was added for the Saera speech recognition app to use :) |
| 21:49.41 | sixwheeledbeast | well I like the popular "qwer" option. mapping the buttons to letters in order like many Qt apps do. OMP for example. |
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| 21:50.04 | M4rtinK | how does it work ? |
| 21:50.07 | sixwheeledbeast | It there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? |
| 21:50.23 | M4rtinK | accelerators based on labels or is it based on position ? |
| 21:50.34 | sixwheeledbeast | so for example the first button is Q and the second button is W etc etc |
| 21:50.52 | sixwheeledbeast | position |
| 21:51.08 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU hildon desktop is the same |
| 21:51.36 | M4rtinK | well, buttons can get a bit blurry in modRana :) |
| 21:51.48 | sixwheeledbeast | so in task switcher Q will open first task and E will open 3rd task |
| 21:51.51 | M4rtinK | a lot of stuff is clickable and is not really a button :) |
| 21:52.22 | sixwheeledbeast | Ctrl and Q will close the first task. |
| 21:52.34 | M4rtinK | but I guess it wouldn't be hard to do at least for the main menus |
| 21:52.36 | sixwheeledbeast | Something I use regularly. |
| 21:52.37 | M4rtinK | lists |
| 21:52.40 | M4rtinK | back button, etc |
| 21:53.46 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: even the backspace and arrows would be helpful for the keyboard uses. |
| 21:55.11 | M4rtinK | yeah |
| 21:55.35 | sixwheeledbeast | Is there a way/option to start modrana fullscreen? |
| 21:55.40 | M4rtinK | I've used keyboard shortcusts quite extensively in the original Clutter based Mieru GUI |
| 21:55.55 | M4rtinK | not yet but I've added a RFE for it :) |
| 21:56.01 | M4rtinK | should be easy to add :) |
| 21:56.33 | M4rtinK | BTW, I'm adding all your feedback as issues here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/ :) |
| 21:56.48 | M4rtinK | fell free to comment, track progress, etc. :) |
| 21:58.42 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I have been. Also a request to add a close button as a menu box. If you are in fullscreen there is no way to close the application ;) |
| 22:02.37 | M4rtinK | sure there is :) |
| 22:02.52 | M4rtinK | in the power button menu |
| 22:03.15 | M4rtinK | but that kinda killalls the application :) |
| 22:03.45 | M4rtinK | also modRana already can show & does show a close button in the menu |
| 22:04.13 | M4rtinK | it is just not enabled on the N900 |
| 22:04.23 | M4rtinK | but I guess I can add switch |
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| 22:44.18 | sixwheeledbeast | :) |
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| 22:51.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | M4rtinK: how about making streetname display fontsize user selectable? Or zoom in further on a given zommlevel of map data, whatever is needed tomake those names readable |
| 22:52.30 | M4rtinK | that's part of the the tile image |
| 22:53.17 | M4rtinK | and it gets it already rendered |
| 22:53.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | when I zoom in, it momentarily shows zl16 in a magnified size so I could read names, but then it loads zl17 and names shrink again to illegibiity |
| 22:53.50 | M4rtinK | I'm not aware of implementing this functionality :) |
| 22:53.57 | M4rtinK | BTW, you can set a scale factor |
| 22:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | if I don't mix that up with another app now |
| 22:54.11 | M4rtinK | that should increase readability at the cost of blurriness |
| 22:54.32 | M4rtinK | some apps do what you describe but modRana not (well, yet) |
| 22:54.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | that sounds exactly waht I'm looking for |
| 22:54.43 | M4rtinK | its an ofte used trick |
| 22:54.54 | M4rtinK | to show something to the user before you actually have the data |
| 22:55.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 22:55.26 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: Options->Map->Scaling |
| 22:55.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | I have same problem with mappero and marble as well |
| 22:55.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 22:56.27 | M4rtinK | well, In modRana you just set the scale and that's it :) |
| 22:56.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | lemme test that right away :) |
| 23:02.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | nice! many thanks! Now I only wish tha map data would actually *provide* street names for Barbate, Spain |
| 23:03.06 | sixwheeledbeast | well it would help if Barbate had OSM streetnames on the tiles :) |
| 23:03.35 | sixwheeledbeast | I put a few on for you ;) |
| 23:03.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 23:03.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | really? wow! |
| 23:03.54 | M4rtinK | well, fire up OSM2GO and get mapping! :) |
| 23:04.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's pretty hard since often you can't find signs here either |
| 23:04.48 | M4rtinK | I've actually done just that once in a small village - started with a road and nothing else |
| 23:05.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | street name plates |
| 23:05.26 | M4rtinK | left with all streets, houses, bigger tracks, important POIs, etc. :) |
| 23:06.07 | sixwheeledbeast | the issue with Barbate is the roads need major editing to get the street names correct. Hence why I only did ~5 |
| 23:06.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there away to exploit google map? |
| 23:06.32 | M4rtinK | http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/48.78082/16.20983 <- there was pey uch |
| 23:06.40 | M4rtinK | *pretty much just that loop |
| 23:06.46 | M4rtinK | nothing else before :) |
| 23:07.06 | M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: you can't |
| 23:07.31 | M4rtinK | you can't use license incompatible commercial map layers for OSM mapping |
| 23:08.09 | M4rtinK | some allow that (Bing aerial, really), but Google does not |
| 23:08.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure. Iasked about using it in modrana |
| 23:08.42 | M4rtinK | yeah, sure it is there :) |
| 23:08.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I know it's prolly 'illegal' |
| 23:08.54 | M4rtinK | and a few others |
| 23:09.05 | M4rtinK | well, use it at your own risk |
| 23:09.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, so I just need to select google layer? |
| 23:09.34 | M4rtinK | the default is the OSM Mapnik layer, the rest is left to user discretion :) |
| 23:09.39 | M4rtinK | yeah |
| 23:09.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | (hint hint: no real hints, no helpfile) |
| 23:10.01 | M4rtinK | you know modRana has a boatload if different map layers, right ? |
| 23:10.18 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I did say that last week... |
| 23:10.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, I actually know pretty little about modrana |
| 23:10.37 | M4rtinK | Options->Map->Map layers |
| 23:10.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | k :D |
| 23:11.11 | M4rtinK | well: http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana |
| 23:11.29 | M4rtinK | and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ModRana |
| 23:11.38 | M4rtinK | or modrana.org |
| 23:11.44 | M4rtinK | but I can only do so much |
| 23:11.49 | M4rtinK | so contributions welcome! :) |
| 23:12.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | what are the numbers in () ? |
| 23:13.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | in Options->Map->Map layers |
| 23:15.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh got it |
| 23:16.20 | M4rtinK | those are groups |
| 23:16.21 | M4rtinK | number is the number of layers in group |
| 23:16.22 | M4rtinK | yeah, 14 OSM layers at the moment |
| 23:16.23 | M4rtinK | ...and there will be more once I get to add those that showed up recently :) |
| 23:16.50 | sixwheeledbeast | 14? I have !" :( |
| 23:16.53 | sixwheeledbeast | 12 |
| 23:18.36 | M4rtinK | well, I'm working with modRana from Git master branch :) |
| 23:18.38 | sixwheeledbeast | OS maps would be good but unfortunately they don't load for me. Contour lines are very useful when walking. |
| 23:18.45 | M4rtinK | might have already added somethng :) |
| 23:19.03 | M4rtinK | could be that some layers are dead |
| 23:19.08 | M4rtinK | or the URL changed |
| 23:19.29 | M4rtinK | if you tell me which ones I can check & fix or remove them |
| 23:20.17 | sixwheeledbeast | VE OS |
| 23:21.05 | sixwheeledbeast | "Virtual Earth UK Ordnance Survey" |
| 23:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | wow, downloading needs some throttling |
| 23:21.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I had it set to 50% overlay on OSM Mapnik until it stopped working |
| 23:22.15 | sixwheeledbeast | downloads can have threads set in options. |
| 23:22.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | it hogs the device/cpu to a point where typing this is mostly blind |
| 23:24.42 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: it can trigger watchdog from experience, check out Network > Usage > Max Threads |
| 23:25.08 | M4rtinK | hmm, I think I saw something also with the other VE layers |
| 23:25.08 | sixwheeledbeast | Can't remember the default but I lowered it IIRC. |
| 23:26.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | and modrana itself completely freezes -ter clicking "+2" for upper limit of zl ranges to dl |
| 23:26.20 | M4rtinK | that's actually the other threads :) |
| 23:26.41 | M4rtinK | the threads used to fetch tiles when moving the map |
| 23:26.58 | M4rtinK | the tiles used for batch download are not actually GUI configurable yet |
| 23:27.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | "+2 UP" |
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| 23:27.22 | M4rtinK | and I know about that freeze |
| 23:27.43 | M4rtinK | it computes the tile list in the main thread :P |
| 23:28.23 | M4rtinK | usually does not that very long, but sometimes can |
| 23:28.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | wwell as long as it eventually finishes ;-D |
| 23:28.53 | M4rtinK | oh and there was that funny bug where it never ended as the lower limit did not apply :) |
| 23:29.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 23:30.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | so how do I tell if I already should kill the app before the app cooks my CPU? |
| 23:30.16 | M4rtinK | and the number of tiles increases exponentially by zoom level (1-4-16-64-256-1024-...) |
| 23:30.30 | Bambi_BOFH | (i asked this a few days ago but possibly the wrong time of day so trying again :)) I'm looking to start playing around with maemo but I see http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php has 'gone away'. Should i be mirroring all the development related files in case they are pulled from nokias various hosting repositories or can i assume they will be available in to the future hosted by others/community? |
| 23:33.28 | sixwheeledbeast^ | maemo.org is not allowed to distrubute firmware. maemo.org repositories are fine no mirroring required. |
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| 23:36.56 | Bambi_BOFH | sixwheeledbeast^: thanks for the info |
| 23:38.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok M4rtinK2 , I had to kill9 modrana :'( |
| 23:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tabletsdev |
| 23:39.07 | infobot | rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads |
| 23:39.39 | sixwheeledbeast^ | maybe try one zoom level in a smaller area |
| 23:40.33 | M4rtinK2 | yeah, one needs to get the feel for it :) |
| 23:40.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I tried view+10km_around |
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| 23:41.32 | sixwheeledbeast^ | but at all zoom levels would still be huge. |
| 23:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | it didn't download significant amount of data, according to my internet connection monitoring |
| 23:43.48 | Bambi_BOFH | thanks for the links doc |
| 23:44.01 | M4rtinK2 | so it did lock up after the download started ? |
| 23:44.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw, see /topic |
| 23:44.25 | M4rtinK2 | or during the batch computation ? |
| 23:44.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | M4rtinK2: I dunnoif download started |
| 23:44.40 | M4rtinK2 | it does not |
| 23:44.45 | M4rtinK2 | until you press start |
| 23:45.11 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I only use zoom level 15. generally huge downloads fail for me. I am slowly downloading a full uk map @ zl15 as I travel about. |
| 23:45.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr, I clicked '+2 UP" and device froze |
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| 23:45.31 | sixwheeledbeast^ | hmm |
| 23:45.50 | M4rtinK2 | it goes like this download-><where>-><radius>-><down-careful>-><up> |
| 23:46.05 | M4rtinK2 | then you get to the download menu where you can select to start or edit the batch |
| 23:46.09 | sixwheeledbeast^ | maybe calculating the tiles? |
| 23:46.27 | M4rtinK2 | well UP is the last step |
| 23:46.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I selected 'all' for down |
| 23:46.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever it called |
| 23:46.57 | M4rtinK2 | you if you selected max down before & 160 km :P |
| 23:47.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | since I been zoomed in pretty much already, Ididn't think of limiting it to wahtever |
| 23:47.31 | M4rtinK2 | takes 4.64 s on my i5 |
| 23:48.09 | M4rtinK2 | ~5 _million_ tiles |
| 23:48.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I used 10km around |
| 23:48.42 | M4rtinK2 | hmm, that should be fine |
| 23:48.55 | M4rtinK2 | well, I'll advice to not use all the way down next time :) |
| 23:48.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | all down and 2 up from maybe zl16 |
| 23:49.36 | M4rtinK2 | downloading lower than zl 16-17 for areas bigger than 2 km is not advised |
| 23:49.41 | M4rtinK2 | that's a lot of tiles :) |
| 23:49.51 | M4rtinK2 | on the other hand, UL - ALL is fine |
| 23:49.59 | M4rtinK2 | every layer UP is 4x less tiles |
| 23:50.18 | M4rtinK2 | *UP- ALL |
| 23:50.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | when I cannot dl the detail tiles for my 10km area then dl is worthless |
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| 23:52.02 | M4rtinK2 | if you are using scaling |
| 23:52.24 | M4rtinK2 | you actually need less detailed tiles for the same effect :) |
| 23:53.41 | M4rtinK2 | zl 15 & scale 2x is actually blurry zl 16, with scale 4x it is even more blurry zl 17 :) |
| 23:54.04 | M4rtinK2 | also usually zl 15-16 has enough detail for wide are coverage |
| 23:54.08 | M4rtinK2 | *area |
| 23:54.35 | sixwheeledbeast^ | I find zl15 fine for detail. |
| 23:54.37 | M4rtinK2 | and the trick is to let the downloads just run for a long time if you want a big coverage in detail |
| 23:54.58 | M4rtinK2 | also, you are making the tile servers eat kittens |
| 23:55.15 | sixwheeledbeast^ | :) |
| 23:55.18 | M4rtinK2 | as they usually don't store detailed zls but render them on demand |
| 23:55.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | the trick is to *start* download |
| 23:55.32 | M4rtinK2 | that's usually why it takes so long |
| 23:55.35 | M4rtinK2 | yeah :) |
| 23:55.49 | M4rtinK2 | also modRana runs just fine on almost any Linux distro |
| 23:55.59 | sixwheeledbeast^ | /me starts to rape tile servers for more tiles :D |
| 23:56.02 | M4rtinK2 | so anohter possibility is to download tiles on PC |
| 23:56.09 | M4rtinK2 | *another |
| 23:56.17 | M4rtinK2 | and transfer to N900 |
| 23:56.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 23:56.38 | sixwheeledbeast^ | hmm... |
| 23:57.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | the thing not even STARTED download |
| 23:57.58 | M4rtinK2 | I advise to select a lower level of detail & are for start |
| 23:58.07 | M4rtinK2 | to see if it can be started |
| 23:58.18 | M4rtinK2 | or there is a bug preventing it outright |