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| 00:21.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | when for some reason you want to change the way maemo community and organizationl entites work, then there's exactly ONE way to push that: start a thread on tmo or even better on ML and and begin with explaining the problem you think you spotted. Then list your ideas how to improve/fix the issue, first things first. And finally ask for (constructive) criticism, create a synthesis from your and other members' contributions and notions and tr |
| 00:21.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | y to convince *the community* to support your plan/synthesis. This regularly will result in *council* starting a referendum to fulfill what *community* wants |
| 00:25.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | suggesting a referenum to council in a private email doesn't make sense since council would at least need to do the same first 3 steps like I suggested to you above |
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| 07:14.03 | DarkFox | Hello world, just wondering if anyone here could give me a number to expect to charge a N900 from flat to bootable ? |
| 07:14.50 | DarkFox | has had an N900 charging for a good 5-10 minutes now and not booting... Not sure the exact power given from my laptop but I haven't had this issue with my other N900 [when that worked]. |
| 07:15.45 | kerio | ~flatbatrecovery |
| 07:16.04 | kerio | hrmpf |
| 07:16.07 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover |
| 07:16.14 | sixwheeledbeast | ~ping |
| 07:16.14 | infobot | ~pong |
| 07:16.14 | kerio | ~flatbatrecover |
| 07:16.14 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) |
| 07:16.19 | kerio | got it |
| 07:16.23 | sixwheeledbeast | ;) |
| 07:16.48 | DarkFox | Hehe |
| 07:16.49 | DarkFox | Sweet |
| 07:16.52 | DarkFox | Thanks guys |
| 07:16.54 | DarkFox | I shall try this |
| 07:17.06 | DarkFox | was trying different batteries; but wallcharger... Let me find that ;) |
| 07:18.55 | DarkFox | Wait; I see amber light now with USB; didn't have this before. |
| 07:19.00 | DarkFox | Should I just leave it with USB power ? |
| 07:19.20 | DarkFox | did find the charger :P |
| 07:20.52 | DarkFox | Swapped over |
| 07:21.01 | DarkFox | leaves it for 30 minutes |
| 07:21.27 | DarkFox | sets up a backup battery (N95 + it's charger) |
| 07:21.40 | kerio | DarkFox: it will barely charge via usb during emergency charging |
| 07:21.45 | kerio | it's like 100mA |
| 07:22.03 | kerio | the wallcharger (in emergency charging) charges 250mA |
| 07:22.53 | DarkFox | kerio: I've switched, so charger is active; I'm just about to plug in my N95 to the UPS as well. |
| 07:23.13 | DarkFox | N95 = great backup N900 charger... As proven with my first N900 whose USB port is dead. |
| 07:23.43 | DarkFox | I'd soldier it back on - if the screws weren't butchered. |
| 07:23.53 | DarkFox | Hence I have 2 :) |
| 07:24.08 | DarkFox | Beep -> Naww, just the N95 :C Lol |
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| 07:25.01 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u |
| 07:25.03 | DarkFox | Error reading FIASCO header: Success |
| 07:25.29 | DarkFox | > Not finished downloading; ignore that. Error still misleading |
| 07:26.41 | DarkFox | lets phone charge and image download. |
| 07:26.47 | DarkFox | goes afk. Thanks kerio |
| 07:30.12 | Sicelo | ~bootloop |
| 07:30.12 | infobot | it has been said that bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. |
| 07:30.45 | DarkFox | Back |
| 07:31.07 | DarkFox | ~rescueOS |
| 07:31.07 | infobot | rumour has it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 07:31.19 | DarkFox | Nice |
| 07:32.16 | kerio | Sicelo: can't even load rescueos if the battery's too low |
| 07:33.15 | Sicelo | yes, i am aware. my N900 is fine ;) |
| 07:36.06 | Sicelo | but of course, it is BME which 'rushes' to shut the device down, so you actually can load rescueOS when the battery is less than BME Threshold (3248mV, right?), but as long as it is above 3000mV |
| 07:51.45 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> sudo flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode |
| 07:51.58 | DarkFox | ^ While holding 'u' when trying to power it on. Shouldn't this simply work? |
| 07:53.29 | DarkFox | Bus 003 Device 025: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) |
| 07:53.33 | DarkFox | lsusb ^ |
| 07:54.54 | Sicelo | why you want rd-mode by the way? |
| 07:55.31 | DarkFox | Sicelo: Trying to test communication to the phone currently; soon to reflash it. |
| 07:55.48 | Sicelo | the best way to get into flashing mode is to start the flasher before connecting the device |
| 07:55.52 | DarkFox | It's been a couple of years since I last used this. |
| 07:56.03 | DarkFox | Sicelo: Yea... That's what I'm trying :) |
| 07:56.17 | DarkFox | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.29 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> flasher-3.5 -i |
| 07:56.30 | DarkFox | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 07:56.30 | DarkFox | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 07:56.35 | DarkFox | boots phone while holding 'u' |
| 07:56.48 | DarkFox | "Nokia" |
| 07:56.52 | DarkFox | No usb symbol |
| 07:57.01 | Sicelo | i must say i'm also no longer too sure about the 'u' thing (my device has only been flashed once in its entire life) .. but i don't remember needing to use "u" key |
| 07:57.03 | DarkFox | Erm |
| 07:57.38 | DarkFox | Worked this time; didn't before. and forgot to run this as root this time; so... device is busy now... |
| 07:58.25 | DarkFox | Trying again |
| 07:58.26 | DarkFox | :P |
| 07:58.50 | DarkFox | Nope... |
| 07:59.43 | DarkFox | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 08:04.38 | DarkFox | ~busy |
| 08:04.45 | DarkFox | ~resourcebusy |
| 08:04.46 | DarkFox | :P |
| 08:05.21 | DarkFox | modprobe -r cdc_phonet |
| 08:05.22 | DarkFox | Yay |
| 08:05.48 | kerio | yay |
| 08:07.00 | DarkFox | Download ETA 30 seconds... |
| 08:08.45 | DarkFox | Flashing kernel |
| 08:08.48 | kerio | but why |
| 08:08.49 | DarkFox | Sending rootfs |
| 08:08.50 | DarkFox | ^,^ |
| 08:09.08 | DarkFox | kerio: This second N900 of mine was (also) 2nd hand and the previous owner forgot the pin. |
| 08:09.12 | DarkFox | And so; reflash to fix :P |
| 08:09.13 | kerio | i see |
| 08:09.51 | DarkFox | Got the first N900 for $120 off eBay couple years back; this second one for $35 from the local LUG here. :D |
| 08:10.18 | DarkFox | Rebooting! \o/ |
| 08:10.29 | DarkFox | Kernel infos in green on white \o/ |
| 08:11.10 | DarkFox | hugs N900 |
| 08:11.12 | DarkFox | Works :D |
| 08:11.12 | kerio | \o/ |
| 08:11.23 | kerio | DUDE DON'T HUG THE N900 WHILE THE USB CABLE IS CONNECTED |
| 08:11.24 | kerio | JEEZ |
| 08:11.28 | DarkFox | This dot animation :P |
| 08:11.34 | DarkFox | Lol |
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| 08:11.46 | DarkFox | Long long animation |
| 08:11.50 | DarkFox | deosn't remember it taking this long |
| 08:12.19 | DarkFox | Also, second reason to flashing is complementary to being 2nd hand; who knows what the previous owner had on the phone. Could have spyware or private data. |
| 08:12.22 | DarkFox | Gone |
| 08:12.30 | DarkFox | Not that the image I pushed would preserve /home... |
| 08:12.31 | DarkFox | Oh well |
| 08:12.32 | DarkFox | :P |
| 08:12.49 | DarkFox | Erm |
| 08:13.04 | DarkFox | kerio: To get rid of the pin; must I reflash the entire device? D: |
| 08:13.21 | DarkFox | Just flashed it 'RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin' but pin still active... |
| 08:13.36 | DarkFox | ~pincode |
| 08:13.40 | DarkFox | ~pin |
| 08:13.40 | infobot | somebody said pin was $1 <action> laughs as darkfox gets $1 in a headlock while screaming 'Say Uncle!' |
| 08:13.51 | DarkFox | facepaw |
| 08:14.16 | DarkFox | !pin kerio |
| 08:14.18 | DarkFox | ~pin kerio |
| 08:14.18 | infobot | ACTION laughs as darkfox gets kerio in a headlock, screaming 'Say Uncle!' |
| 08:14.24 | DarkFox | Lol |
| 08:15.08 | bencoh | :D |
| 08:15.10 | DarkFox | ~lockcode |
| 08:15.10 | infobot | lockcode is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 08:15.25 | DarkFox | How fun |
| 08:16.00 | DarkFox | ssh kinda not doable atm :D |
| 08:16.24 | kerio | DarkFox: yeah it wasn't a good idea tbh |
| 08:16.30 | kerio | anyway, you just need rescueOS |
| 08:16.33 | kerio | and you can easily crack the pin |
| 08:16.36 | kerio | by reading CAL |
| 08:16.43 | DarkFox | Oh? |
| 08:16.48 | DarkFox | RescueOS sounds useful ;) |
| 08:16.51 | DarkFox | ~rescueos |
| 08:16.51 | infobot | methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 08:16.54 | kerio | you need to read CAL |
| 08:17.01 | kerio | aka /dev/mtd2? |
| 08:17.17 | DarkFox | kerio: Sounds like booting from SD card? |
| 08:17.22 | kerio | nah, usb |
| 08:17.28 | DarkFox | Oh |
| 08:17.30 | DarkFox | Via flasher? |
| 08:17.40 | kerio | yep |
| 08:17.42 | kerio | you just load it |
| 08:17.43 | DarkFox | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt |
| 08:17.44 | DarkFox | :) |
| 08:17.52 | DarkFox | Sweet |
| 08:18.05 | DarkFox | TINY RESCUE DOWNLOAD FASTER :D |
| 08:18.11 | DarkFox | ETA: 1 minute |
| 08:21.53 | DarkFox | "No initfs \o/" - N900 |
| 08:21.55 | DarkFox | Wow |
| 08:25.21 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> sudo flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-1.1.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" |
| 08:25.24 | DarkFox | kerio: This look right? |
| 08:25.33 | DarkFox | Method is not supported in the current mode |
| 08:25.35 | DarkFox | SU_VERIFY_COMMS_REQ timed out. |
| 08:28.42 | DarkFox | Getting the same problem with -i now |
| 08:28.46 | DarkFox | flasher not working :/ |
| 08:29.20 | DarkFox | Think I got it to work now |
| 08:29.20 | DarkFox | Yay |
| 08:29.40 | DarkFox | kerio: Powered off phone, removed battery; now I have rescue; thanks. :) |
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| 08:35.23 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> john -format:DES -i:digits lock-code |
| 08:36.00 | DarkFox | waits |
| 08:40.40 | DarkFox | Loaded 1 password hash (Traditional DES [128/128 BS SSE2-16]) |
| 08:40.40 | DarkFox | guesses: 0 time: 0:00:00:38 DONE (Sun Aug 10 18:40:10 2014) c/s: 2880K trying: 83593867 - 83536784 |
| 08:40.43 | DarkFox | ~/n900 >> john -show lock-code |
| 08:40.44 | DarkFox | 0 password hashes cracked, 1 left |
| 08:40.45 | DarkFox | :/ |
| 08:42.37 | DarkFox | If this doesn't work; I'm gonna edit it so it uses something that someone else already cracked :P |
| 08:43.36 | kerio | don't edit /dev/mtd devices directly |
| 08:44.28 | DarkFox | kerio: Naww ;) |
| 08:44.35 | bencoh | :] |
| 08:44.42 | DarkFox | root:vFPJSgPXY5G7o: |
| 08:44.46 | DarkFox | What am I doing wrong ^ |
| 08:44.47 | DarkFox | :P |
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| 08:45.38 | DarkFox | WAIT |
| 08:45.43 | DarkFox | What... |
| 08:45.48 | kerio | WAIt |
| 08:45.51 | kerio | what? |
| 08:45.58 | DarkFox | My N900 decided to partiall load the firstboot setup |
| 08:46.01 | DarkFox | But then it rebooted |
| 08:46.02 | DarkFox | o_0 |
| 08:46.19 | kerio | friday night, another round of shots |
| 08:46.24 | kerio | TURN DOWN FOR WHAT |
| 08:47.07 | bencoh | what what what |
| 08:47.17 | DarkFox | loading rescue again |
| 08:47.28 | DarkFox | looked away from his computer to look back to see it was done already :P |
| 08:51.20 | Luke-Jr | wonders how to interpret http://jsfiddle.net/eM2Mg/3837/embedded/result/ |
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| 08:53.19 | DarkFox | Evil typo in the FP vs PF |
| 09:02.00 | DarkFox | Luke-Jr: Good question |
| 09:02.26 | DarkFox | Anyhow; thanks again kerio ^,^ |
| 09:07.37 | DarkFox | kerio: How difficult do you think it would be to have an sd card in my other N900 (broken usb port) to turn the wifi or bluetooth into a remote loader? :3 |
| 09:11.23 | DarkFox | I think it might be a fun project after I end up playing with nanobsd on this phone :P |
| 09:14.23 | DarkFox | 's booted phone doesn't charge... Hmmm |
| 09:15.30 | DarkFox | Looks like it's fine now that I've removed the battery :) |
| 09:16.00 | Luke-Jr | wait, it's charging without the battery? |
| 09:16.05 | Luke-Jr | how does that work? |
| 09:16.13 | DarkFox | Luke-Jr: Removed, and reinserted* |
| 09:16.36 | Luke-Jr | ah ok |
| 09:16.38 | Luke-Jr | :P |
| 09:16.39 | DarkFox | :D |
| 09:17.09 | DarkFox | had to just john --show lock-code ;) |
| 09:17.21 | DarkFox | should change it :D |
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| 09:17.42 | DarkFox | Charging \o/ |
| 09:17.43 | DarkFox | :D |
| 09:18.44 | DarkFox | should have setup usbnetworking+ftp in that rescueos... passphrase for wifi is crazy long and well... random :D |
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| 09:59.52 | DarkFox | ~rescueos |
| 09:59.52 | infobot | hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
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| 10:06.56 | kerio | DarkFox: there's usb networking and ftp |
| 10:07.03 | DarkFox | kerio: I'm trying that :P |
| 10:07.35 | DarkFox | kerio: What commands on my host system to even get this? :D |
| 10:07.51 | DarkFox | I like it's scripts that it has itself... But need a host script :P |
| 10:08.20 | kerio | anyway, you should've installed uboot on the n900 with the broken usb |
| 10:08.33 | DarkFox | kerio: Indeed |
| 10:08.35 | DarkFox | kerio: Too late now |
| 10:08.38 | DarkFox | I was going to |
| 10:08.39 | kerio | now it's too risky |
| 10:08.40 | DarkFox | And then it broke |
| 10:08.41 | DarkFox | :C |
| 10:10.29 | DarkFox | kerio: After running the scripts in the rescue os... |
| 10:10.38 | DarkFox | kerio: How to get it to connect to my lan? :P |
| 10:12.40 | DarkFox | Or at least; let my host connect to it's ftp :P |
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| 11:09.44 | kerio | DarkFox: ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.42 up |
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| 12:15.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | only if your local LAN isn't already on 192.168.2.x |
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| 12:16.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | ultimately instructs to use 192.168.51.51 for N900 USB IP *only* |
| 12:20.33 | Pali | or use some private ipv6 prefix |
| 12:20.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | when you try to ifup a NIC with an IP in range of already established network, you're begging for trouble |
| 12:20.34 | DarkFox | kerio: Yea, that wasn't it; I did get it a while back. |
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| 12:21.14 | DarkFox | It gives me two interfaces (on my host) I just had to assign myself an ip and setup the route on the virtual ethernet (not the peer-to-peer,noarp device which I first tried) |
| 12:21.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi Pali - long time no see! :)) |
| 12:21.25 | DarkFox | kerio: But yea; thanks anyway. :) |
| 12:21.29 | DarkFox | likes the rescueOS :D |
| 12:21.36 | Pali | hi! |
| 12:21.49 | DarkFox | Hai! |
| 12:21.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | good to see you aeround |
| 12:22.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo isn't same without you |
| 12:24.01 | DarkFox | wonders if anyone has a minimal nanobsd image that works on the N900? |
| 12:24.47 | jon_y | BSD? Why would you use that? :) |
| 12:24.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | wgat for? |
| 12:25.13 | DarkFox | jon_y: Because it's a great system? |
| 12:25.18 | jon_y | GPL4evar! |
| 12:25.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | errrr forgetit |
| 12:25.51 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer51: Nice base system that I could use for testing a custom operating system that I intend to design. |
| 12:26.06 | DarkFox | Or rather, I've designed most of it; and would like to use the N900 as a test platform. :P |
| 12:26.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~fptf |
| 12:26.22 | infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 12:26.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | also about freeing fremantle |
| 12:27.07 | DarkFox | What's this? |
| 12:27.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a reason for some of the closed blobs |
| 12:27.54 | DarkFox | Indeed |
| 12:28.18 | jon_y | BSD is the last thing I think of when Freedom is involved :) |
| 12:28.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo is as free as it gets already, nothing a bsd could do better |
| 12:28.30 | DarkFox | jon_y: Why? |
| 12:28.35 | jon_y | at least proprietory software is up front about it |
| 12:28.36 | DarkFox | jon_y: BSD is more free.. |
| 12:28.43 | jon_y | BSD is enabler of proprietary |
| 12:28.55 | DarkFox | jon_y: Enables, but it is less restrictive. |
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| 12:29.08 | DarkFox | Simplier and you don't need to be a lawyer to read the license. |
| 12:29.12 | jon_y | exactly, it is poisonous to Free software |
| 12:29.23 | jon_y | because it doesn't stay Free |
| 12:29.26 | DarkFox | No it doesn't... |
| 12:29.45 | jon_y | personally, I don't consider BSD Free software |
| 12:30.06 | jon_y | but nvm me, I'm starting to rant |
| 12:30.29 | DarkFox | Please; no license wars... BSD is an open source license. FreeBSD is an operating system where basically everything is licensed BSD. This allows you to create something propritary (such as sony's playstation) without the requirement to return the code. |
| 12:30.45 | DarkFox | Even in Sony's case, they do send code back to the community. |
| 12:30.46 | DarkFox | Apple too. |
| 12:30.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | please no os wars here |
| 12:30.59 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer51: License even. |
| 12:31.06 | jon_y | no os wars, just license wars |
| 12:31.11 | DarkFox | Lol |
| 12:31.15 | DarkFox | jon_y: None of this either! |
| 12:31.41 | jon_y | pssh Apple |
| 12:31.46 | jon_y | or Sony |
| 12:31.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | on N900 fremantle with powerkernel is best you can get regarding support for all hw and openness as well |
| 12:31.55 | DarkFox | jon_y: BSD is more free (less restrictive) then GPL. |
| 12:32.07 | DarkFox | jon_y: Fact is over. |
| 12:32.07 | jon_y | if they're sending back code then there is no problem with GPL |
| 12:32.29 | jon_y | nope, it is less Free because it does not protect Freedom at all |
| 12:32.42 | DarkFox | jon_y: GPL is a problem with licensing... It puts restraints on anyone who wants to do anything with it. |
| 12:32.57 | DarkFox | Hassle and can lead to ugly legal issues. |
| 12:33.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | please move it to #bsd |
| 12:33.13 | DarkFox | jon_y: IF you want to continue the license war then please /msg me |
| 12:33.19 | jon_y | sure |
| 12:33.22 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer51: Hell no, jon_y would probally get kicked |
| 12:33.27 | DarkFox | Or worse, banned. |
| 12:33.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | or you both begg be to kick you here ;-P |
| 12:34.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | beg me |
| 12:35.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | please consider I'm paying for each singe byte of data roaming to read what you write while I'm supposed to enjoy my holidays |
| 12:36.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | and hell they still charge an arm and a leg for that |
| 12:38.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | when you want moden kernel see what freemangordon achieved already, reports are on fptf thread |
| 12:39.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | when you want an os without closed blobs youre free to delete them from maemo to end up with a plain debian |
| 12:40.15 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer51: LOL |
| 12:40.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | no need for bsd or openwrt just to go 'more free' |
| 12:40.29 | DarkFox | Charging us for the ineffecient text-based protocol known as IRC. |
| 12:44.53 | DarkFox | Uh oh... |
| 12:45.09 | DarkFox | App manager on a fresh maemo install; no updates. |
| 12:45.19 | DarkFox | Is this due to Nokia not renewing their certificate? |
| 12:45.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think IRC prot is quite efficient as long as chanops take care of layer8 noise ;) |
| 12:46.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | DarkFox: there are no 'updates' on maemo |
| 12:46.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | go for CSSU |
| 12:46.23 | DarkFox | What? |
| 12:46.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~cssu |
| 12:46.28 | infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 12:47.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | even there no rolling updates though I pushed for that since years |
| 12:48.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | you however get updayes on maemo-extras(-*) but only for packages you installed from there. On a fresh install zilch is from extras on ur system |
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| 12:50.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | and even when u install sth now from extras, it will be newest version and any update will come up in days or weeks the fastest |
| 12:50.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo stock didn't change since PR1.3?q |
| 12:50.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | 1.3.1 even |
| 12:51.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | so: |
| 12:51.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr131 |
| 12:51.42 | infobot | well, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 12:52.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | no updates expected on that |
| 12:53.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | maemo is special in that it's a single huge metapackage aka PR |
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| 12:53.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | and NEVER do apt-get upgrade or even dist-upgrade! |
| 12:55.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think nobody everwrote the much needed "what's maemo" 20p primer |
| 12:56.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia seems to always have thought it all 'just works' and users are too stupid to even grok the concept of pathbanes |
| 12:57.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | see incredibly fsckdup-by-design meta filesystem based on tracker |
| 13:00.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | CSSU antway is supposed to come in where Nokia left, providing security fixes and *compatible* functionality updates that Nokia missed to ever deliver |
| 13:01.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | "d powerkernel brings back expert functons that nokia kicked out in favor for a more lean easier to maintain kenel |
| 13:01.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | and* |
| 13:03.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | andeven kernel bugfixes |
| 13:04.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | and now even a workaround for a silicon error that rendered thumb ISA useless |
| 13:05.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | kudos to freemangordon who pulled this thumb stuff off despite *everybody* antagonizing him |
| 13:06.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | even I did, to a certain degree |
| 13:14.35 | drathir | in short cssu rocks... |
| 13:16.23 | drathir | goin to reflash n900 with broken screen... |
| 13:18.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | broken screen? LCD or touchpanel aka digitizer, or even just the main flex? |
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| 13:54.43 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: connector from lcd not egsist sadly when i checked reason of no video output... |
| 13:55.43 | drathir | screen maybe works but w/o plug at end not possible to connect... |
| 13:56.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh! |
| 13:56.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | where the plug gone? |
| 13:56.56 | drathir | digitizer maybe works but no possibility to check - no output on the tv-out... |
| 13:57.18 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: no idea i buyed that... |
| 13:59.03 | drathir | but motherboard looks ok i switched upper slider with screen from my second n900 with broken usb port and motherboard work camera works... |
| 14:00.08 | drathir | maybe soon i buy once more with broken usb and switch the upper slider with screen only... |
| 14:01.36 | drathir | now i using that with broken screen for battery charging... |
| 14:02.09 | drathir | have 2 batteries that switch them time to time... |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I still don't understand if it's the main fleex cable that ripped off |
| 14:02.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | or actually that tiny cable frm LCD to main flex inside upper half |
| 14:07.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | you can get replacement main flex xable for a few bucks |
| 14:11.01 | drathir | oh thats good description the correct is tiny one from main to lcd... |
| 14:11.21 | drathir | sadly have no plug at end... |
| 14:15.16 | drathir | and main bigger connection from motherboard to inside where lcd is connected to (by thin one which is damaged not plug at end) looks ok... |
| 14:17.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah. A pity |
| 14:18.26 | APic | B-( |
| 14:18.26 | drathir | yea... |
| 14:18.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably somebody made plug come off the cable when trying to unplug it |
| 14:19.36 | APic | .o0(SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB.) |
| 14:20.03 | drathir | dont know why lcd-s not have also plugs at bottom side which could be easy to replace if damaged, propably to expensive i guess... |
| 14:21.18 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: yea for sure because when opening the scrub from screen was in back case where shorter one antenna is ;p |
| 14:21.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | new LCD is some 25 to 49EUR |
| 14:22.30 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: yea cheaper is buy damaged phone with working lcd, and improve amount of parts for exchange in future... |
| 14:23.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | :nod: |
| 14:23.14 | drathir | mostly with damaged phone battery and charger included... |
| 14:24.14 | drathir | that one i buy ~10-12EUR |
| 14:25.39 | bencoh | wow, chheap |
| 14:25.54 | APic | k |
| 14:38.01 | drathir | bencoh: yea that why i take it almost in blind... battery looks like new one... |
| 14:41.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | batteries always *look* like new ;) You tell if they really *re* by doing a full charge from emty to full and then back to empty while recording the output of bq27200 60 |
| 14:42.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bq27200 |
| 14:42.21 | infobot | well, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 |
| 14:46.21 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: thanks i goin to check... |
| 14:47.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | use bq27200.sh, not bq27k-detail2 |
| 14:48.03 | drathir | curently at n900 monitor show more than 1000mAh after full charhe... |
| 14:48.12 | drathir | ok |
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| 14:51.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | 16:03 4153 100 100 -12 1110 1110 1110 65535 2773 40 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF:0 |
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| 15:00.30 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: which one vaule is important? |
| 15:01.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | NAC |
| 15:01.51 | drathir | lol show 0 ;p |
| 15:01.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | which is plain charge in mAh now metered to have gone into cell |
| 15:02.10 | drathir | oh when connected... |
| 15:02.47 | drathir | need to first end reflashing and enable sshd usbip and wlan connection... |
| 15:02.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's an incremental integrating value |
| 15:04.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | after swapping battery it will start at bogus value. then you discharge cell complely and then charge it. BQ27200 chip will integrate the charge going into cell during charge and showing it as NAC |
| 15:05.40 | drathir | http://pastebin.com/NiqBCqt5 |
| 15:05.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | so during charging empty cell NAC goes up from 0 to ideally 1300 |
| 15:06.25 | drathir | thanks i check great script btw... |
| 15:07.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm running bq27200.sh 60 | tee batlog.txt |
| 15:24.40 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: thanks logging.. |
| 15:37.26 | drathir | wonder need to switch the working screen when perform to flashing device? |
| 15:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually after completing charging it tells you the amount that went *into* the cell during charging. But the really interesting value is the difference of this value minus the last value it reads before it shuts down on DIScharge. NAC will count down from e.g. 1266 during discharge but may shut down when NAC claims there were 200 left over. So true discharge capacity of cell is 1266-200=1066 |
| 15:41.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | a valid discharge cycle (VDQ=1) will ake bq27200 chip *learn* this value of 1066 as new real max capacity of cell |
| 15:45.18 | drathir | oh... in that case is possible that chip have incorrect data and not charging the battery to full? |
| 15:47.05 | ShadowJK | No it doesn't control charging |
| 15:47.22 | drathir | ShadowJK: thats good... |
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| 16:34.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer51: you paid for this! |
| 16:35.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | huh? |
| 16:35.41 | kerio | that message, and this one too |
| 16:37.26 | kerio | drathir: when doc says "integrate" he means "sum" |
| 16:46.05 | drathir | kerio: thanks... |
| 16:47.07 | drathir | now waitin to full charge battery and perform flash-ing n900 that one with broken screen... |
| 16:49.16 | drathir | but guess is too old RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 16:50.24 | drathir | and that one too RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 16:52.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | both looks good to me |
| 16:53.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | without betting my ass on me being right |
| 16:53.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | 36-2 is PR1.3 |
| 16:53.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | good enough |
| 16:54.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | 13-2VANILLA prolly also OK, as new as it gets |
| 16:57.53 | drathir | O.o im was almost sure that much newest available because of date 14.11.2012... but looks im bad thinking... |
| 16:59.30 | drathir | and yes if good remember its PR1.3 |
| 17:01.09 | drathir | need only refresh procedure and which one keys to press... |
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| 17:12.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing |
| 17:13.00 | infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:15.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | in short: BLACKLIST the phonet* crap on your PC! Start flasher for COMBINED. Only then plug in the N900 with battery removed. Insert battery. Watch flashing to start. Wait for flashing process to complete. Unplug and remove battery. |
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| 17:16.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Redo for VANILLA |
| 17:16.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | Then *again* for COMBINED |
| 17:17.01 | kerio | can 0xFFFF flash everything? or are we still tied to the closed-source flasher to flash VANILLA? |
| 17:17.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | 0xFFFF *can* flash everything afaik |
| 17:18.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask Pali |
| 17:18.46 | Pali | 0xFFFF cannot flash eMMC |
| 17:18.53 | bencoh | hmm |
| 17:19.30 | Pali | for eMMC flashing is used Mk II protocol and it is not implemented |
| 17:19.35 | Pali | some info is in doc/ |
| 17:19.45 | Pali | anybody has time for it? :-) |
| 17:19.57 | kerio | mh |
| 17:20.00 | kerio | do we even need that? |
| 17:20.18 | kerio | Pali: can it boot from ram? |
| 17:20.27 | Pali | 0xFFFF? yes |
| 17:20.45 | kerio | well then it's more than enough |
| 17:21.10 | Pali | yes, you can create kernel+init image ready for flashing via standard usb mass storage interface |
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| 17:28.44 | kerio | yeah, just load rescueOS and then restore a BM backup or something like htat |
| 17:28.44 | kerio | that |
| 17:33.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually that's pretty much exactly what flasher mk II protocol does as well |
| 17:34.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui |
| 17:35.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | just it uses the existing rootfs OS on target, that's why you need a semi-decent rootfs aka COMBINED to flash VANILLA |
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| 17:45.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually 'flashing' vanilla only means: partition and format the eMMC, then copy a few files to /home and to MyDocs |
| 17:51.46 | kerio | yeah yeah |
| 17:52.01 | kerio | does it even copy files to /home? |
| 17:52.06 | kerio | i thought it was done during firstboot |
| 17:55.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | prolly |
| 17:55.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not sure |
| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | it*could* copy files to /home |
| 17:58.43 | Pali | dir /opt is some symlink to /home |
| 17:59.02 | Pali | and it /home/user is created at boot time if does not exists |
| 17:59.29 | Pali | and stock rootfs has some script which will rm -rf opt && optify |
| 17:59.47 | Pali | and that script is run only once (store some info if was started or not) |
| 18:00.38 | Pali | flashing eMMC should call mkfs on /home partition and equivalanet of dd if=mmc_image of=/dev/... |
| 18:01.10 | Pali | so if /opt (/home) FS is damaged (because of FS errors), flashing only rootfs does not help |
| 18:02.04 | Pali | (any idea how to write regular IRC message to channel which starting with slash?) |
| 18:03.18 | Humpelstilzchen | try /say /opt |
| 18:03.32 | Humpelstilzchen | if irssi |
| 18:03.36 | Pali | /opt |
| 18:03.42 | Pali | nice :-) |
| 18:03.54 | Pali | thx |
| 18:05.14 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: thanks a lot |
| 18:05.19 | nox- | some clients also understand // or \/ |
| 18:07.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | or use double/ |
| 18:07.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | /like this |
| 18:07.24 | Pali | /test |
| 18:07.29 | Pali | \/test |
| 18:07.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually I typed //like this |
| 18:07.42 | Pali | right //test working too |
| 18:08.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | or simply us leading space |
| 18:09.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: for sure no dd if=sth of=/dev/... is used |
| 18:10.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | rather some tar -x |
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| 18:21.44 | drathir | if nokia sound able to hear flashing sucessfull? |
| 18:25.17 | drathir | or space before / |
| 18:26.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry? |
| 18:27.33 | drathir | w/o screen replace not able to check if flashed successfully... hrhr |
| 18:27.51 | drathir | but flasher end w/o problems... |
| 18:31.39 | drathir | i guess no possibility to connect from linux w/o screen replace ;p |
| 18:32.31 | bencoh | I guess you could load rescueos and edit your rootfs to enable usb0 on boot |
| 18:33.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 18:33.41 | drathir | ~rescueos |
| 18:33.41 | infobot | somebody said rescueos was http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 18:34.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | shift+ctrl+X gives you a shell aka xterm |
| 18:35.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | you could type blindly there |
| 18:35.05 | bencoh | btw do you guys really use osso-xterm ? |
| 18:35.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure, what else? |
| 18:36.02 | bencoh | I settled for ("real") xterm |
| 18:43.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, I prolly never even tested that |
| 18:49.22 | bencoh | it's faster than libvte (gnome implementation, used in osso-xterm) ... really noticeable with curses applications (hello irssi over ssh), and huge impact when scrolling, especially with "small" fonts |
| 18:50.08 | bencoh | (libvte is not the only one to blame, freetype has its part in this ... and xterm can use fixed fonts without freetype) |
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| 19:32.44 | Pali | DocScrutinizer51: no, fiasco emmc image contains *raw* fat32 fs dump and that is imaged directly as MyDocs |
| 19:33.05 | Pali | no tar is used |
| 19:33.12 | Pali | this is reason why mmc image is too big |
| 19:33.22 | Pali | it is not compressed and contains empty fat blocks.... |
| 19:35.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: then resizing partitions by imply editing numeric size in vanilla image would be a terribly bad idea, nevertheless it allegedly works |
| 19:36.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | also when you want to do a raw fat32 data transfer then you invariably of used size of data need to dd the size of whole 28GB of volume |
| 19:37.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | which wouldn't make *any* sense |
| 19:39.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you could dd a complete fat32 volume of only 500MB size and then resize it with some parted tool |
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| 19:44.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway afaik flashing vanilla is mostly cruft spamming your mydocs with useless 'content', except of the partitioning and mkfs which you could do without any vanilla image as well |
| 19:46.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | so discussing how that cruft content gets stored in vanilla imae and how it's written to eMMC is maybe just of academic interest |
| 19:48.53 | Pali | that is part of mk II protocol |
| 19:48.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | the partitioning and mkfs is clearly the more useful part of this 'flashing' procedure and it would help a lot to come up with an alternative to using flasher and flashing vanilla to get this established |
| 19:49.08 | Pali | some info how cfdisk and mkfs is called |
| 19:49.16 | Pali | plus dump of image which is dd-ed |
| 19:49.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly |
| 19:49.25 | Pali | this is in mmc fiasco image |
| 19:53.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess mkII is putting maemo into some single-user mode (init 1 or init s) and then transfers a few cli commads to it, to make cfdisk and mhfs of maemo do their job on eMMC |
| 19:58.12 | Pali | it is packet orientated protocol it support transfering commands and data... |
| 19:58.28 | Pali | look at 0xFFFF doc/ dir |
| 19:59.06 | Pali | and that protocol is used via usb (for normal flashing) and also via TCP for local on device flashing |
| 19:59.29 | Pali | you have "flasher" command on n900 |
| 19:59.35 | Pali | used with param --local |
| 19:59.48 | Pali | but it use TCP connection to localhost |
| 19:59.57 | Pali | and not using raw /dev/... access |
| 20:00.11 | Pali | server is called softupd (which listening on usb and on localhost port) |
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| 20:16.13 | kerio | libvte is fucking pathetic |
| 20:16.48 | kerio | it violates the basic principle of terminal control codes |
| 20:16.52 | kerio | which is "ignore shit you don't know of" |
| 20:26.45 | drathir | what is the easiest way to gain root access? |
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| 20:26.59 | drathir | ~cssu |
| 20:26.59 | infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 20:27.09 | drathir | ~root |
| 20:27.09 | infobot | [root] not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. |
| 20:27.42 | drathir | wifi working... |
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| 20:33.38 | bef0rd | ~rootsh |
| 20:33.38 | infobot | well, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/, or <ShadowJK> rootsh gives you "sudo gainroot", to get root privs but user environment (similar as "su"), and "root", which gives you root privs root env (similar to "su -") |
| 20:33.52 | kerio | rootsh is fucking awful |
| 20:34.07 | bef0rd | can't remember the name of the alternative |
| 20:34.13 | kerio | openssh |
| 20:39.03 | drathir | from fast checking camera working, memory working... |
| 20:39.17 | drathir | bef0rd: thanks... |
| 20:39.30 | drathir | kerio: installed |
| 20:39.35 | kerio | what |
| 20:39.45 | kerio | oh, openssh |
| 20:39.46 | kerio | well now you have root |
| 20:39.49 | kerio | ssh root@localhost |
| 20:40.04 | kerio | and then add a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and update-sudoers |
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| 20:42.41 | sixwheeledbeast1 | well it's better than sudser... |
| 20:42.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | please forget about that! |
| 20:43.03 | kerio | please forget about rootsh as well! |
| 20:43.46 | drathir | kerio: thanks a lot openssh looks like little better idea... no offence bef0rd ofc... |
| 20:43.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | about both manual adding of files to sudoers and particularly sudser which needs to get killed with fire |
| 20:43.57 | kerio | huh |
| 20:44.09 | kerio | you're *supposed* to add stuff to /etc/sudoers.d/ and then call update-sudoers |
| 20:44.19 | kerio | any changes to /etc/sudoers will be reset on the first call to update-sudoers |
| 20:44.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, you're not |
| 20:44.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | unless you're developer or admin |
| 20:44.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | drathir is neither |
| 20:44.57 | kerio | mh |
| 20:45.21 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: in previous i have too root access... |
| 20:45.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | and he's dealimg with a device with broken screen |
| 20:45.53 | kerio | drathir: i think he means "admin" in a more general sense |
| 20:45.58 | drathir | need chroot to archlinux arm installation at sd too... |
| 20:46.01 | kerio | as in "some dude who knows how to unix" |
| 20:46.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | drathir: opessh gives you root access |
| 20:47.01 | drathir | DocScrutinizer51: yes ofc i using openssh... |
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| 21:33.22 | drathir | goin to install cssu... |
| 21:42.04 | drathir | 50.5M nice update... a lot of things fixed... |
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| 22:28.00 | astr | hows the neo900 doing? i'm hoping some easy funds might become available within a year for buying one :D |
| 22:32.23 | sixwheeledbeast | neo900.org or #neo900 |
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| 22:38.21 | astr | arr thanks |
| 22:39.28 | drathir | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 22:40.15 | drathir | Version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1 |
| 22:58.26 | bencoh | :) |
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