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12:31.36Ashley`(offtopic) anyone has experience with pirelli dp-l10? :/
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16:33.59weueyido usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
16:33.59weueyido usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
16:33.59weueyido they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
16:33.59weueyiÊÍÐíÑ
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16:34.14weueyido usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy??
16:34.14weueyido usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying??
16:34.14weueyido they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations??
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18:09.47DocScrutinizer51sixwheeledbeast: usual idiot troll, he changed IP so last ban doesn't catch anymore
18:10.49DocScrutinizer51he didn't change his trolling text, so once I'm back home I will set up an autoresponder ban
18:15.32RzR>;(
18:23.16sixwheeledbeastyou would think people have better things to do....
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18:43.43ShadowJKbought new eabuds, AKG
18:44.17ShadowJKcame with different detacheable cables for both apple-style and nokia-style 4-pin plug :-)
18:46.12RiDo that's cool, so I guess it has a mic?
18:47.03ShadowJKi guess
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18:49.18ShadowJKI mostly bought them for the noise canceling feature
18:49.22ShadowJKspeaking of...
18:50.00ShadowJKswitches on the air conditioner
18:50.04RiDhehe
18:50.10RiDi got an AKG K450
18:50.13ShadowJKoh awesome
18:50.21ShadowJKNice NC
18:50.23RiDthe N900 drives them very well, but they don't exactly need a lot of power
18:50.39ShadowJKthough it doesn't fix objects on desk vibrating and falling off
18:51.12ShadowJKMost in-ears have so high sensitivity and low impedance, that only volume 1 notch above mute is usable
18:51.15RiDi measured it and it did around 96dB, if the measurement is accurate
18:51.20ShadowJKthese are better in that regard
18:51.41RiDvolume at 100%, not 88%
18:52.43RiDyour air conditioner vibrates objects in your desk?
18:52.57RiDyou sure that's not an airplane turbine?
18:53.46ShadowJKit's a cheap "portable" unit, on woodboard floor
18:54.36ShadowJKSo the piston compressor is vibrating against the floor
18:59.43M4rtinKI've seen people using such a portable unit inside a shop in a shopping mall :)
19:00.26M4rtinKI'm sure the ones running the centralized air conditioning for the mall appreciate people doing this :D
19:06.27DocScrutinizer05lol
19:06.52DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: how are the AKG?
19:07.18DocScrutinizer05I might want to get them tomorrow, for a silent flight on monday
19:10.27DocScrutinizer05btw apple-style=AHJ, Nokia-style==OMTP
19:10.48DocScrutinizer05http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/572/
19:12.26DocScrutinizer05or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_Standards
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19:21.12DocScrutinizer05It canot get mentioned too often that AHJ is mere brainfuck, invented by Apple to "differentiate" and make it maximum cumbersome for 2nd source equipment suppliers to find matching jacks
19:22.06DocScrutinizer05from an EE perspective, it's the most idiotic thing you could come up with to have the ultra-sensitive microphone input hot wire on *sleeve*
19:24.32DocScrutinizer05particularly you canot find any plugs with metal hood where the hood is electrically connected to 2nd Ring instead of Sleeve
19:27.34DocScrutinizer05thus you only can use plugs with plastic hood for AHJ, and even those are not _really_ compatible to AHJ since they have a crimp lug connected to Sleeve and that inevitably crimps to - you guessed it, the name gives it away - to sleeve/shielding-braid of your cable
19:28.46DocScrutinizer05see the fine photos on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)
19:32.00DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jack-plug--socket-switch.jpg (6.3mm but all the same, just more obvious), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2-conductor_male_TS_connectors.jpg (same), and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3.5mm.jpg (example with plastic hood), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Small_jack_plugs.jpg (TRS, no TRRS, but you can see how even the jacks are problematic for AHJ)
19:35.00DocScrutinizer05sometimes dreams of running into the guy who "invented" AHJ, at night on a lonely path through the forest
19:35.39DocScrutinizer05>:-S
19:37.19DocScrutinizer05this guy for sure is a disgrace for whole EE community
19:38.21DocScrutinizer05wonders when apple will come up with AAA cells that have + and - swapped
19:41.13DocScrutinizer05and the pin on the (now) minus side (which everybody would think is plus, like is on other cells) just 0.5mm smaller diameter than usual, so nobody can insert usual classical AAA into an apple device, but everybody could insert apple AAA into any other device and most certainly kill it instantly by doing so
19:52.27ecc3gspeaking of alkaline cells, modern alkaline batteries' case/encapsulation is positive and would be cheaper to have the nib on the negative pole... heh
20:10.13ShadowJKDocScrutinizer51; (akg) they're excellent
20:11.38DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: type?
20:12.08DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: there's a reason I came up with this ;-)
20:12.12ShadowJKK391NC
20:13.41ShadowJKThere's actually an alkaline shape that has sort of larger pin on minus
20:13.51ShadowJKYou get them in AAs from Asia alot
20:14.54ShadowJKNever had AKG before, hearing new things in songs that I didn't know where there :D
20:20.52DocScrutinizer05dang, I want those
20:21.04DocScrutinizer05I hope I can find them in a local stroe tomorrow
20:21.12DocScrutinizer05store
20:21.30DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I can't find the switch to on/off the NC. where is itß
20:21.33DocScrutinizer05?
20:23.01ShadowJKOne end of the "box" has permanently attached wire that goes to earplugs, and on/off switch. Other end of box has miniusb and 3.5mm socket
20:23.17ShadowJKThey supply 2 different 3.5mm plug-plug cables
20:24.26ShadowJKThis review made me pick the akg over some other I was considering http://www.head-fi.org/t/658308/akg-k391-nc-in-ear-noise-cancelling-headphones-first-impression-review
20:26.15ShadowJKAs for treble, I disagree a little bit with the review. It's to me, kinda like the Sennheiser treble, with less harshness
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20:33.26DocScrutinizer05I had AKG K340 - a damn epiphany
20:34.17ShadowJKin-ear are a bit different from cans, some people don't like in-ear
20:34.35ShadowJKfor me, the first shitty in-ear I got (Koss), was an epiphany :)
20:35.06Sicelo<sorry to disturb .. steady amber when charging (device off) means what?>
20:35.12M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: it is called Web these days :)
20:35.17M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/
20:35.48DocScrutinizer05Sicelo:
20:35.55DocScrutinizer05~flatbatrecover
20:36.01infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
20:37.12DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: you lost me
20:37.24Sicelohe meant Epiphany :p
20:37.29DocScrutinizer05ooh
20:37.44M4rtinKnot a very good joke attempt I agree :)
20:38.01Sicelosteady amber going off .. 'going off' meaning coming on? lol.. English can be wonky sometiems
20:41.35DocScrutinizer05no, it means "steady amber discontinued"
20:41.58DocScrutinizer05err, I meant that when I wrote that factoid
20:42.41DocScrutinizer05"going off" actually been an unfortunate wording. Sorry
20:43.55DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, flatbatrecover is <reply>Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
20:44.00infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
20:44.06DocScrutinizer05~flatbatrecover
20:44.07infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!.
20:44.19Sicelothanks :)
20:44.22DocScrutinizer05yw
20:44.31DocScrutinizer05thanks for pointing me to the ambiguity
20:47.02DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, flatbatrecover is <reply>Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is
20:47.02infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
20:47.05DocScrutinizer05OK (no ~bootloop)!.
20:47.14DocScrutinizer05damn!
20:47.59DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, flatbatrecover is <reply>Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no
20:47.59infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
20:48.00DocScrutinizer05~bootloop)!.
20:48.04DocScrutinizer05grr
20:48.27DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, flatbatrecover is <reply>Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
20:48.27infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
20:48.29DocScrutinizer05!
20:49.07DocScrutinizer05~flatbatrecover
20:49.07infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
20:53.02kerioM4rtinK: did they seriously call it Gnome Web
20:53.28kerionot even /apple/ called its web browser "web browser"
20:53.37M4rtinKkerio: they do call it Web now :)
20:54.25kerioare they going to rename "empathy" to "instant messenger"?
20:54.27M4rtinKkerio: not really sure if anyone is using it, but it looks like they recently added process-per-tab support
20:54.46M4rtinKwell, who knows :)
20:54.58keriooh god they renamed totem to Videos
20:58.07dos1another sign of gnome devs going mad
21:00.56M4rtinKBTW, this years Guadec just ended :)
21:01.26M4rtinKso quite a lot of Gnome news is flying around
21:02.48M4rtinKBTW, anybody else going to the upcoming Fedora contributor conference (FLOCK) ?
21:03.09M4rtinKit is from 6 to 9 of August in Prague :)
21:03.27M4rtinKasking just in case :)
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