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| 05:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | background info: 25'000 employees of Nokia 'moved' to Microsoft, now after 3(?) months Microsoft sets 12'500 of them free |
| 05:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | my suggestion: the other 12'500 should resign, unite with the fired half, and found a new company. Maybe No-Kia |
| 05:47.23 | Ras_Older | in Finland they are laying off 500 to 1000 (depending on the source) ex-Nokia people :( |
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| 09:34.58 | bencoh | everytime I think about setting up a maemo/sb sdk I feel like not really willing to do this :/ |
| 09:35.18 | bencoh | "hmm, do I really want to go through this" |
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| 11:34.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | get the VM |
| 11:35.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 11:35.04 | infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 11:35.40 | APic | DocScrutinizer05: 4⥠|
| 11:35.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you want to marry me? |
| 11:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | or will a photo suffice ;-) |
| 11:36.34 | APic | I'm not gay. |
| 11:36.40 | APic | That was just platonic. |
| 11:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ok |
| 11:37.10 | APic | Because You're _the_ N900-Wizard! |
| 11:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | may I quote you? :-D |
| 11:38.52 | APic | Sure. |
| 11:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, setting up a genuine scratchbox indeed is kinda unbearable |
| 11:40.46 | kerio | ~joerg |
| 11:40.46 | infobot | i heard joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org |
| 11:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I recall it took me ~2 days |
| 11:40.58 | kerio | infobot: joerg is also _the_ N900-Wizard! |
| 11:40.58 | infobot | cannot alter locked factoids, kerio |
| 11:41.00 | kerio | :( |
| 11:41.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: joerg is also _the_ N900-Wizard! |
| 11:41.58 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 11:42.48 | kerio | ~joerg |
| 11:42.48 | infobot | it has been said that joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org, or _the_ N900-Wizard! |
| 11:42.49 | APic | lulz |
| 11:42.53 | kerio | perfect |
| 11:46.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org, or ``_the_ N900-Wizard! <https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-07-18.log.html#t2014-07-18T14:37:10>´´ |
| 11:46.10 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 11:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer. Initiator of http://neo900.org, or _the_ N900-Wizard! <https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-07-18.log.html#t2014-07-18T14:37:10> |
| 11:46.20 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 11:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | illegal characters, tzzzz! |
| 11:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me infobot's character is illegal ;-) |
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| 13:26.35 | teotwaki | msg infobot crashanddie |
| 13:26.47 | teotwaki | fail |
| 13:26.50 | teotwaki | ~crashanddie |
| 13:26.50 | infobot | somebody said crashanddie was OMG!!! |
| 13:26.57 | teotwaki | ~forget about crashanddie |
| 13:26.57 | infobot | teotwaki: i didn't have anything called 'about crashanddie' to forget |
| 13:27.03 | teotwaki | ~forget crashanddie |
| 13:27.03 | infobot | i forgot crashanddie, teotwaki |
| 13:27.11 | teotwaki | ~teotwaki |
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| 14:08.48 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: I ended up manually installing sb on wheezy |
| 14:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 14:09.10 | bencoh | fun fact : matchbox wont work without the Composite extension |
| 14:09.23 | bencoh | which means that matchbox wont work with Xvnc/vncserver |
| 14:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 14:09.52 | bencoh | (thus hildon-desktop wont run) |
| 14:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno |
| 14:10.10 | bencoh | tested here ;) |
| 14:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall using VNC to access N900 from my PC... or was it other way round? |
| 14:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of both worked, I'm pretty sure |
| 14:11.24 | bencoh | both probably worked |
| 14:11.41 | bencoh | be it x11vnc on n900 or vncviewer on n900 |
| 14:12.11 | bencoh | but Xvnc spawns its own Xorg instance (like Xephyr) |
| 14:12.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh. well |
| 14:12.35 | bencoh | (except that it doesnt output to a X window) |
| 14:14.07 | xes | still hopes that someone had the time to build a recent x2go for maemo |
| 14:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | (scratchbox) installing that maemo stuff (rootstraps?) worked? |
| 14:15.02 | bencoh | looks like it did |
| 14:15.14 | bencoh | wiki is pretty accurate |
| 14:15.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
| 14:15.36 | bencoh | yup :) |
| 14:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I expected procedure to fail when it comes to getting that magic token |
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| 14:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, will happen soon enough, I guess |
| 14:17.13 | bencoh | hmm, the tocken is virtually available in tmo and wiki (on some other page) |
| 14:19.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but sooner rather than later the binaries protected by that token will vanish I guess |
| 14:19.53 | bencoh | prolly yeah |
| 14:20.15 | bencoh | hmm is fremantle/ a symlink to maemo5.0/ ? |
| 14:20.23 | bencoh | or should I mirror this one as well ? |
| 14:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 14:21.16 | bencoh | the nokia-binaries repo on r.m.o |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: ^^^ could you check repo/stage VM if that's a symlink? |
| 14:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, do you have a guess where that suspected symlink would be in local filesystem? /var/www/....? |
| 14:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: ^ |
| 14:24.42 | bencoh | I'd check nginx conf for that |
| 14:26.05 | xes | sorry too mobile to use ssh... |
| 14:29.19 | FlameReaper-PC | Just a very curious question... not sure if I could ask here or some other channel |
| 14:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: I'm not worried abiut nginx config. I'll be able to find vhost root |
| 14:30.21 | FlameReaper-PC | Kinda pointing about the history of the N900 itself. To put it blunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhTtsZATwBQ <- this |
| 14:30.27 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: oh then it should be in r.m.o/pool/ |
| 14:30.40 | FlameReaper-PC | Was this used as a TV commercial or something? |
| 14:30.50 | FlameReaper-PC | Or is it only present in stock N900 devices? |
| 14:32.12 | bencoh | (and probably dist as well) |
| 14:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.36 | bencoh | what's this ? |
| 14:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | a path from locate fremantle |
| 14:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | then /(search) pool |
| 14:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:~$ locate fremantle|less |
| 14:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:~$ locate fremantle|wc -l |
| 14:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 750549 |
| 14:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | gimme a better searchstring, sth more specific |
| 14:37.35 | bencoh | <vhostroot>/pool/fremantle I guess |
| 14:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously not |
| 14:40.08 | bencoh | hmm, cant tell much more from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ |
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| 14:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we got /extras-testing/pool/fremantle/ and whatnot else |
| 14:43.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | extras/pool/fremantle/ |
| 14:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | all repos are in this vhostroot |
| 14:44.00 | bencoh | hmm |
| 14:44.17 | bencoh | locate maemo5.0|grep "maemo5.0$" ? |
| 14:44.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's pool/fremantle-update2/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77e*bla/bla/bla |
| 14:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | /var/repository/live/dists/maemo5.0 |
| 14:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | /var/repository/live/pool/maemo5.0 |
| 14:46.54 | bencoh | yay those one I guess |
| 14:47.05 | bencoh | is there a fremantle directory in /var/repository/live/dists as well ? |
| 14:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | as you might have guessed, /var/repository/ is vhost root |
| 14:47.10 | bencoh | or are those symlinks ? |
| 14:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg@stage:~$ ls -ld `locate maemo5.0|grep "maemo5.0$" ` |
| 14:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-sr-x 5 repository repository 4096 Oct 20 2010 /var/repository/live/dists/maemo5.0 |
| 14:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | drwxr-sr-x 5 repository repository 4096 May 18 2010 /var/repository/live/pool/maemo5.0 |
| 14:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/3cfa4695f5 |
| 14:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | shhh! |
| 14:51.02 | bencoh | hmm |
| 14:51.32 | bencoh | same goes for /var/repository/live/dists/fremantle ? |
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| 14:52.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/4ff86fc61d |
| 15:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: afk now. sorry |
| 15:04.46 | bencoh | thanks :) |
| 15:04.51 | bencoh | (seems like a cp -r actually) |
| 15:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, weird |
| 15:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems during one of the migrations somebody managed to expand several if not all symlinks |
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| 16:43.35 | Macer | uhm |
| 16:43.41 | Macer | are the images no longer available? |
| 16:44.57 | Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 |
| 16:45.03 | Macer | oh |
| 16:45.04 | Macer | my bad |
| 16:45.10 | Macer | ~flasher |
| 16:45.10 | infobot | [flasher] at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 16:46.07 | Macer | ~emmc |
| 16:46.07 | infobot | hmm... emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 16:47.10 | Macer | ~combined |
| 16:47.10 | infobot | rumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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| 16:53.28 | Macer | ugh... seriously |
| 16:53.33 | Macer | you'd think this flasher would be static |
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| 17:08.05 | Macer | ugh. i need to fully flash this n900 i sold and can't get any files :/ |
| 17:08.06 | Macer | awesome |
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| 17:11.24 | Macer | nokia didn't give maemo.org the rights to host the fw and emmc files? |
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| 17:22.28 | Macer | so can i just use 0xffff for this? |
| 17:31.09 | sixwheeledbeast | Macer: yes and yes but I have never used 0xFFFF |
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| 18:07.13 | Macer | sixwheeledbeast: heh. i didn't either. i just used flasher-3.5 on a windows box |
| 18:07.22 | Macer | which should be the last time i ever do ;) |
| 18:08.10 | Macer | i just had to wipe the rootfs and emmc |
| 18:11.02 | Macer | wow. fking awesome. the 32GB isn't being seen |
| 18:11.48 | Macer | this emmc img has to be messed up |
| 18:12.08 | Macer | but of course the awesome torrent that i can get from here doesn't seem to want to work :/ |
| 18:12.19 | Macer | ~emmc |
| 18:12.20 | infobot | it has been said that emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 18:12.50 | Macer | guess i'll just use the central europe one and see what happens .. blah |
| 18:13.15 | Snafu777 | ~sex |
| 18:13.15 | infobot | [~sex] updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; emerge --oneshot condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; emerge -C condom; make clean; sleep; |
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| 18:24.06 | Macer | kicks this n900 |
| 18:24.08 | Macer | ahhhhhh! |
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| 18:29.33 | Snafu777 | ? |
| 18:29.45 | kerio | can't you just ask doc to hook you up |
| 18:32.56 | Macer | it's ok. i got it. |
| 18:33.00 | Macer | it's all flashed heh |
| 18:33.21 | Macer | let me ship it off to the next poor bastard that will rip his hair out over it ;) |
| 18:33.53 | Macer | too bad there is no more maemo from nokia... it really was the most promising OS |
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| 18:36.20 | Nokiabot | Macer:go tell that to elop :p |
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| 18:36.59 | sixwheeledbeast | is a happy N900 owner |
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| 19:52.38 | Macer | haha |
| 19:52.54 | Macer | elop doesn't care. he has his few million net worth :) |
| 19:53.19 | Macer | wp8.1 isn't too bad... but ios is better |
| 19:53.31 | Macer | and it acts pretty much like ios with tiles |
| 19:54.03 | Macer | ah well.. i shipped this thing out.. thanks for the help :) you seriously should consider just hosting those files. i doubt nokia would sue maemo.org haha |
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| 20:29.31 | sixwheeledbeast | well another member never to be seen again.... |
| 20:30.14 | kerio | sixwheeledbeast: ? |
| 20:30.28 | sixwheeledbeast | Macer |
| 20:31.00 | sixwheeledbeast | although maybe the device will go to a new home |
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| 21:37.05 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | Ohai, question, does anyone has a working debian-weezy image for easy debian boot? i tried updating a squeeze image for 1 whole day, the n900 crashed and rebooted and i could not save it anymore, would save me a lot of time |
| 21:37.16 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | the version hosted by Qole is armhf zo can't use that |
| 21:39.00 | ShadowJK | Might work with kernel-power? |
| 21:39.30 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | kernel power? |
| 21:39.39 | ShadowJK | The enhanced kernel |
| 21:39.42 | ShadowJK | for power users |
| 21:39.51 | ShadowJK | It has errata workarounds to make hf mostly work |
| 21:39.57 | ShadowJK | armhf* |
| 21:40.18 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | ah cool |
| 21:40.19 | ShadowJK | Though I guess that's a maemo thing and not a debian thing? |
| 21:40.36 | ShadowJK | For some reaosn I read your "boot" as "chroot" :) |
| 21:40.39 | ShadowJK | reason* |
| 21:40.53 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | well, i ment chroot actually |
| 21:41.32 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | so i think i will first install kernel-power then, any disadvantages? |
| 21:43.16 | ShadowJK | As always, make backups first? |
| 21:43.32 | ShadowJK | It replaced the original kernel. It can not be installed (but you can install the nokia kernel again if you want) |
| 21:44.01 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | of course, but any known regressions with kernel-power? |
| 21:44.13 | ShadowJK | mm Not that I know of |
| 21:44.20 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: hmm, I think you mixed thumb2 with hardfp :) |
| 21:44.30 | ShadowJK | lol oops |
| 21:44.47 | ShadowJK | Nevermind me then :) |
| 21:44.49 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | hmm? |
| 21:45.06 | ShadowJK | freemangordon, please correct my ramblings :D |
| 21:45.29 | freemangordon | hardfp should "just work", afaik it is not related to the kernel |
| 21:46.16 | ShadowJK | As for crashing, stock N900 config is prone to doing that during heavy I/O. I do "echo 1024 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests" after boot, also for mmcblk1 if I have microsd. Seems to make the situation much better |
| 21:46.35 | freemangordon | but if that "hardfp" image is also thumb2 compiled, kernel-power is a must |
| 21:47.29 | freemangordon | TheOnlyJoey|desk: which kernel do you boot with that image? |
| 21:47.39 | ShadowJK | If you're going to be doing alot of I/O or RAM heavy stuff, I would definitely recommend getting a fast memory card, Samsung MicroSDHC Pro is known to be fast, and put your chroot fs and swap on there. |
| 21:47.47 | kerio | well |
| 21:47.59 | kerio | "fast" as in throughput or as in IOPS? |
| 21:48.02 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 21:48.10 | freemangordon | kerio: both |
| 21:48.36 | ShadowJK | IOPS |
| 21:48.51 | ShadowJK | I don't really remember or look at throughput |
| 21:49.34 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | freemangordon, when i boot that image, i get errors about arch mismatch and such, so i think i need a different kernel to do that |
| 21:49.44 | freemangordon | TheOnlyJoey|desk: hmm, are you sure you boot it with the correct kernel? also, iirc qole's image is for chroot, not for booting |
| 21:49.59 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | freemangordon, i ment chroot |
| 21:49.59 | freemangordon | or this is another "image" I am not aware of |
| 21:50.17 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | i am trying to boot debian_wheezy3sulu_armhf.img which is the latest wheezy |
| 21:50.43 | freemangordon | then you'd better ask sulu how to do it, there is a thread on TMO |
| 21:53.14 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | well as long as my kernel supports armhf it should work |
| 21:53.20 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | so i think i just need another kernel |
| 21:55.04 | freemangordon | TheOnlyJoey|desk: hardfp is not a kernel thing afaik, it is how the FP arguments are passed when you call a function - it is either via integer registers (softfp) or FP registers (hardfp) |
| 21:55.58 | freemangordon | anyway, you may want to install kernel-power and test with it, though I doubt it will help |
| 21:56.27 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | well if kernel-power is beter anyway, no harm in doing that as well |
| 21:56.31 | freemangordon | sure |
| 22:03.07 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | now running kernel52 :) |
| 22:04.11 | arcean | freemangordon: iirc from harmattan times you can't run hardfp software on softfp system |
| 22:04.52 | ShadowJK | chroot should be fine |
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| 22:15.06 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | hmm can i savely format my emmc to ext3? |
| 22:28.06 | ShadowJK | No |
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| 22:28.45 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | meh, stupid fat |
| 22:29.21 | ShadowJK | Seriously, the emmc is so "slow", anything beyond storing mp3s and movies, you want to get a fast microsd, like the Samsung Pro MicroSDHC |
| 22:29.50 | ShadowJK | But also, maemo init scripts assume fat, and some apps break when permissions start working |
| 22:29.57 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | ah k |
| 22:30.19 | ShadowJK | in cssu, ext4 microsd is automounted too |
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| 22:34.57 | TheOnlyJoey|desk | ah it works on the other kernel! |
| 22:38.40 | ShadowJK | Well, cssu is more than kernel upgrade |
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