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| 01:20.27 | Ashley` | can i clean all my data from n900 with broken usb port easily? |
| 01:21.15 | Ashley` | i dont trust repairs men :| |
| 01:21.37 | Ashley` | honestly: usb |
| 01:21.41 | honestly | ah |
| 01:25.05 | Ashley` | oooh |
| 01:25.15 | Ashley` | backupmenu + robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ |
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| 01:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: yup, that's probably a very good way. However take care to not mess up your root image when installing BM. Once you are in a bootloop you will have real troubles escaping that, without a working USB |
| 01:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe you first use WiFi and a sck or sftp to copy all your relevant stuff to another box |
| 01:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools |
| 01:40.04 | infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 01:40.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ might have some templates for such rsync backup |
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| 01:48.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm |
| 01:48.52 | infobot | backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 01:49.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I 'heard' bm is in extras-testing now |
| 01:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a slightly more recent version in extras-devel though, iirc |
| 01:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I recently force-promoted a few packages to make that happen) |
| 01:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, was it "BM in extras, but a slightly more recent one in extras-testing"? |
| 01:51.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 01:51.52 | infobot | robbiethe1st is currently on #maemo (5m 22s), last said: 'I mean... unless I turn it into a jammer...'. |
| 01:51.52 | robbiethe1st | uh |
| 01:51.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh! :-D |
| 01:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi robbiethe1st |
| 01:52.22 | robbiethe1st | Yeah, I'm here |
| 01:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: please check your BM packages |
| 01:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | some may need promoting |
| 01:52.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:53.00 | robbiethe1st | I'm not sure /how/ |
| 01:53.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 01:53.09 | infobot | pkg is probably http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 01:53.11 | robbiethe1st | Last I tried, like 3 years ago, I couldn't for some reason |
| 01:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with |
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| 01:54.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: there been unmet dependencies on i2ctools. I forced those down into maemo-extras |
| 01:54.43 | robbiethe1st | Uh, that's interesting |
| 01:54.49 | robbiethe1st | An error occurred during a connection to maemo.org. |
| 01:54.50 | robbiethe1st | The OCSP server has no status for the certificate. |
| 01:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't use https: or disable OCSP |
| 01:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ise another browser |
| 01:55.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | use* |
| 01:57.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *heard* disabling and re-enabling OCSP is already enough to 2fix" the issue |
| 01:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
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| 01:57.36 | robbiethe1st | Oh, it says the cert expired like 3 months ago |
| 01:57.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, known issue |
| 01:58.13 | robbiethe1st | alright, now I'm logged in |
| 01:58.24 | robbiethe1st | Now what? |
| 01:58.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | serch for backupmenu :-) |
| 01:58.43 | robbiethe1st | No, I mean... |
| 01:58.47 | robbiethe1st | I'm there |
| 01:58.54 | robbiethe1st | But where is the promote button? |
| 01:59.24 | robbiethe1st | Oh, hm |
| 01:59.34 | robbiethe1st | looks like the version in Extras needs bootmenu |
| 01:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/backupmenu/1.2.0-2/ |
| 01:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Warning: This package has missing dependencies!<< :-S |
| 02:00.41 | robbiethe1st | Looks like http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/bootmenu/1.12/ has a mis-typed dependancy |
| 02:00.51 | robbiethe1st | (getbootstate) |
| 02:01.04 | robbiethe1st | should be 1.0.35 not 1.0.38? |
| 02:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm no expert |
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| 02:01.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the version in extras-devel is fine |
| 02:02.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe promote that one to extras-testing? |
| 02:02.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, I did? |
| 02:02.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my bad |
| 02:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check what's missing and promote new "fixed" version -devel to -testing, or alternatively tell me which dependencies are missing and need promotion to extras-testing to meet your dependencies |
| 02:04.02 | robbiethe1st | OK |
| 02:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fed up with such a great package lingering on in extras-devel |
| 02:04.35 | robbiethe1st | Looks like we need getbootstate straightened out |
| 02:04.36 | robbiethe1st | so |
| 02:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | getbootstate sunds to me like a core package |
| 02:05.06 | robbiethe1st | The version in extras-testing is from the PR1.2+ |
| 02:05.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds* |
| 02:05.13 | robbiethe1st | the version it's complaining about |
| 02:05.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh!! |
| 02:05.20 | robbiethe1st | I don't understand how that works? |
| 02:05.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 02:06.17 | robbiethe1st | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr_armel/getbootstate/1.0.35+0m5/ vs http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/getbootstate/1.0.39+0m5/ |
| 02:07.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you really need newest version of getbootstate? |
| 02:07.32 | robbiethe1st | damned if I know; I need bootmenu |
| 02:07.36 | robbiethe1st | It needs it |
| 02:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* the new version should have made it from Nokia SSU repo to extras-testing and extras. But maybe it didn't. My knowledge ends there |
| 02:09.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^ please check state of getbootstate in maemo-extras-testing and maemo-extras |
| 02:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I guess we want newest version form Nokia SSU repo in all the maemo-extras-* autobuilders, right? |
| 02:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/backupmenu/1.2.0-1/ looks kinda fine :-) |
| 02:11.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: ^^^ |
| 02:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: what's the exact changelog from 1.2.0-1 to 1.2.0-2 ? |
| 02:12.41 | robbiethe1st | I don't know; I didn't make it |
| 02:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1.2.0-2 Added libpopt.so.0, removed vi swapfile .functions.sh.swp |
| 02:13.06 | robbiethe1st | I guess |
| 02:13.31 | robbiethe1st | I know there was a newer version floating around |
| 02:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | so some "minor" changes in shell/console ? |
| 02:13.36 | robbiethe1st | I thought it was upload? |
| 02:14.12 | robbiethe1st | It's been a frigging year |
| 02:14.16 | robbiethe1st | Do you think I remember? |
| 02:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | no idea, really |
| 02:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you remember the names libpopt.so.0 vi swapfile .functions.sh.swp ? |
| 02:15.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least what they are related to |
| 02:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | vi sounds like shell |
| 02:15.32 | robbiethe1st | Uh, that piece was just a left over swapfile from vi |
| 02:15.42 | robbiethe1st | Probably from when I edited a file on the N900 |
| 02:15.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the swapfile is also meant to facilitate shell? |
| 02:16.02 | robbiethe1st | vi creates a swap file whenever you edit something |
| 02:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, so it's not any relevant *update* at all |
| 02:16.15 | robbiethe1st | That, no |
| 02:16.23 | robbiethe1st | Not sure about libpopt.so.0 |
| 02:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpopt0/ |
| 02:17.00 | robbiethe1st | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1338988&postcount=1199 |
| 02:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly needed by some cli cmds |
| 02:17.32 | robbiethe1st | Looks like text2screen(which drives the entire GUI) updated |
| 02:17.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | in shell |
| 02:17.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH! |
| 02:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | that IS a relevant update |
| 02:18.03 | robbiethe1st | and I had to fix it. That's likely the only reason I would have gone to the trouble of figuring out how to make a package again |
| 02:18.04 | robbiethe1st | Yup |
| 02:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, let's face it: I got NFC how to add getbootstate to extras-testing (or extras). Let's wait what merlin1991 is able to find out |
| 02:20.45 | robbiethe1st | Yeah |
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| 02:21.21 | robbiethe1st | It's not like I'm not here every single evening or anything <_< |
| 02:21.36 | robbiethe1st | So no rush on account of me |
| 02:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 02:23.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 02:23.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine! Thanks a lot! |
| 02:23.55 | robbiethe1st | :P |
| 02:24.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: install BM from maemo-extras. AIUI it should "just work" for your purposes |
| 02:26.14 | robbiethe1st | The only thing I really should fix is the charger-script; it ends up putting crud all over the screen in terminal mode; makes it hard to do terminal stuff. |
| 02:26.24 | robbiethe1st | also need to figure out a key for the | character |
| 02:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ######################################### tagline in red for you to spot, relevant text above ##################################################### |
| 02:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | charger script >/dev/null ? |
| 02:28.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know ShadowJK made it a bit talkative |
| 02:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 02:28.16 | robbiethe1st | Basically |
| 02:29.02 | robbiethe1st | Or change it such that it outputs stuff via text 2 screen -- perhaps a charging "icon" in one corner |
| 02:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and I did a patch that I think could benefit everybody: I increased LCD backlight brightness to 100% on charger-detected |
| 02:29.48 | robbiethe1st | I thought I had that for like years |
| 02:29.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh! |
| 02:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dinno, my BM might be years old ;-P |
| 02:30.22 | robbiethe1st | Likely |
| 02:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | always worked like a charm, so no need to hop hoops to update it |
| 02:31.17 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 02:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I'm not on KP, so no shell anyway) |
| 02:31.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui |
| 02:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe that's what is actually _not_ working on old BM |
| 02:32.49 | robbiethe1st | KP is needed |
| 02:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | since thinking about it I wouldn't know why KP is needed for shell |
| 02:32.53 | robbiethe1st | for shell |
| 02:33.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha! :-) |
| 02:33.16 | robbiethe1st | Um, it's a kernel framebuffer thing that's needed? |
| 02:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I remembered correctly, only forgot the reason \o/ |
| 02:33.23 | robbiethe1st | fbcon? |
| 02:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, the usual menu works just fine |
| 02:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | text2screen I guess |
| 02:34.20 | robbiethe1st | yeah |
| 02:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but prolly there's no xterm/xserver |
| 02:34.43 | robbiethe1st | Nope |
| 02:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you resorted to fb |
| 02:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | for shell |
| 02:35.13 | robbiethe1st | Of course; mainly because all the files have to be loaded entirely in memory for things to work right |
| 02:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | or somesuch |
| 02:35.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 02:35.31 | robbiethe1st | you can't wipe out the partition you are running off without potential issues |
| 02:35.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 02:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | creating a text2screen-term is probably a PITA |
| 02:36.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | scrolling alone... :-o |
| 02:36.52 | robbiethe1st | That would be... interesting |
| 02:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 02:37.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | you noticed it? we're reinventing the xserver-less approach of android etc |
| 02:37.59 | robbiethe1st | Eh, I thought we were reinventing the 1980's serial terminals! |
| 02:38.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | where each app does its own screen management |
| 02:38.08 | robbiethe1st | or DOS |
| 02:38.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yummy, DOS on text2screen |
| 02:38.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 02:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | would each command get its own text2screen patches or would we get some text2screen-cmd aka dosbox? |
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| 02:40.05 | robbiethe1st | I'm thinking that if we had more memory, running a full Maemo instance would be possible |
| 02:40.13 | robbiethe1st | Just load the whole damned thing into memory |
| 02:40.23 | robbiethe1st | X-servers be awesome |
| 02:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in Neo900 that's an attractive alternative |
| 02:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you heard we're going for 1GB RAM now? |
| 02:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | semi-secured |
| 02:41.32 | robbiethe1st | That sounds awesome |
| 02:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | should suffice for that approach |
| 02:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | we finally found a less-unobtainium chip in a N9 |
| 02:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | amazing how all googling didn't help to spot that chip, until we knew the part number |
| 02:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | samsung site is such a **** |
| 02:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/516/ |
| 02:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (sssh! he just c&p'ed the mail I sent him ;-D ) |
| 02:46.13 | robbiethe1st | :p |
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| 02:49.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if only samsung provided DAMN datasheet for that chip |
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| 02:50.16 | robbiethe1st | Can't you contact them and/or your reseller |
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| 03:15.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we need to try trhat, yes. Anyway http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=280413 |
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| 07:15.49 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: robbiethe1st: after some research a while ago I found that 1.2.0-2 was made by ade and needs packages from cssu-devel. Not a good idea to promote this. |
| 07:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: when it "needs packages from -devel" then those packages need promotion as well, no? |
| 07:23.01 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: yes promotion to CSSU-Stable or Extras before the main package can be promoted |
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| 07:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 07:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried to do exactly this |
| 07:53.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | now it turns out that extras-testing has a lower version of getbootstate than extras-devel. Since getbootstate is a core package, I don't see how it comes into extras-* at all, and for sure I don't know of any way to promote it |
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| 08:13.50 | sixwheeledbeast | The ~bm update is to fix an issue with a package in CSSU-Devel anyway IIRC. |
| 08:14.44 | sixwheeledbeast | this is why extras version works fine |
| 08:15.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 08:15.59 | kerio | backupmenu really needs to be a uboot-startable separate OS |
| 08:16.06 | kerio | it relies too much on maemoisms |
| 08:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 08:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not BM, that's a locally installed cersion of ~rescueOS |
| 08:17.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | version* |
| 08:17.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to create such on your device any time |
| 08:18.20 | kerio | mh, i should make a "rescueos-bootimg" package |
| 08:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | however you are aware that most users don't even have uBoot, do you? |
| 08:18.33 | kerio | i am |
| 08:18.36 | kerio | and that's bad |
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| 08:33.17 | Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: i have backup of important things ;) |
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| 08:45.52 | Ashley` | where does backupmenu stores backups? |
| 08:46.11 | Ashley` | (where should i put them to restore them) |
| 08:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can choose to eithe put them on uSdor on eMMC iirc |
| 08:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | uSD or...* |
| 08:50.42 | kerio | mydocs or the first vfat partition of the uSD |
| 08:50.44 | kerio | er |
| 08:50.48 | kerio | the first partition of the uSD |
| 08:50.53 | kerio | mounted as vfat |
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| 08:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 561643520 2011-03-06 20:09 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-optfs.tar |
| 08:52.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 287365120 2011-03-06 20:07 /home/user/MyDocs/systemBackups/20110306-1905-rootfs.tar |
| 08:52.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems quite out of date though :-o |
| 08:54.35 | Ashley` | oh /systemBackups? |
| 08:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually optfs is misleading, it has /opt *and* /user |
| 08:54.41 | Ashley` | thx |
| 08:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and /user has what you'd expect in it |
| 08:55.45 | Ashley` | /use? |
| 08:55.47 | Ashley` | /user? |
| 08:55.49 | Ashley` | not /home? |
| 08:56.03 | kerio | he means /home/user |
| 08:56.18 | kerio | /opt is a symlink to /home/opt |
| 08:56.21 | Ashley` | i know |
| 08:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. all you get from a ls -l ~user|grep -v MyDocs |
| 08:57.18 | Ashley` | how long does it take to restore backup? |
| 08:57.24 | Ashley` | 69M 20110619-2247-optfs.tar.gz |
| 08:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | optfs should rather get named homefs |
| 08:57.25 | Ashley` | 86M 20110619-2247-rootfs.tar.gz |
| 08:57.53 | kerio | Ashley`: not much |
| 08:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, your files look smallish |
| 08:58.13 | kerio | the gunzipping will take a bit it hink |
| 08:58.14 | Ashley` | DocScrutinizer05: those are clean files |
| 08:58.14 | kerio | *i think |
| 08:58.27 | Ashley` | http:// |
| 08:58.29 | Ashley` | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/complete_image/ |
| 08:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I start to wonder why yours also is of 2011 .oO(???) |
| 08:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, .gz |
| 08:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | that explains the size |
| 08:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never dared to test .gz |
| 08:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly takes ages |
| 09:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah, robbiethe1st's image |
| 09:01.49 | Ashley` | i have my images |
| 09:02.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | means? |
| 09:02.06 | Ashley` | but they are not clean (they have my data) |
| 09:02.18 | Ashley` | and i want to clean my n900 |
| 09:02.25 | Ashley` | before giving it to repairs man |
| 09:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, reflashing would be the method of choice for that |
| 09:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | but hard to do with broken USB |
| 09:04.34 | Ashley` | yeah :P |
| 09:04.46 | Ashley` | now i have to wait til my battery is full |
| 09:04.53 | Ashley` | i use battery from nokia c3-01 |
| 09:04.59 | Ashley` | (not c3-00) |
| 09:05.28 | Ashley` | BL-5CT |
| 09:05.41 | Ashley` | it works (tm) |
| 09:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh you can use dd to nuke complete /home and / |
| 09:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it won't boot after that anymore, but then you want to get USB fixed anyway |
| 09:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | after that you can reflash and then restore your backups |
| 09:07.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for test of USB it's sufficient to connect nokia charger and then also a Linux PC and watch USB ENUM in PC's syslog |
| 09:07.24 | Ashley` | well, i'd like to keep my n900 bootable :P |
| 09:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll have a hard time then |
| 09:07.54 | kerio | easy time |
| 09:07.58 | kerio | just flash a known-to-work bm image |
| 09:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | to really erase all that stuff from flash |
| 09:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, since bm only writes files |
| 09:08.20 | Ashley` | oh |
| 09:08.26 | kerio | oh, fair enough |
| 09:08.28 | Ashley` | it does not delete? |
| 09:08.28 | kerio | install uboot |
| 09:08.39 | Ashley` | uboot does not work on that n900 |
| 09:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | it may even keep files that already exist and are not getting overwritten by new version |
| 09:08.43 | kerio | Ashley`: it does a mkfs on the emmc, it does a rm -r on rootfs |
| 09:08.54 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't be silly |
| 09:08.56 | Ashley` | thats fine |
| 09:09.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: huh? |
| 09:09.13 | kerio | that means that, at least for the emmc, there's a high chance that your data is still there |
| 09:09.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: that would be a completely idiotic way to do things |
| 09:09.37 | kerio | because it doesn't restore a full backup |
| 09:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what do you expect from an untar? |
| 09:09.48 | kerio | what happens if /etc/nologin is on the rootfs? |
| 09:09.54 | kerio | i expect nothing from an untar |
| 09:10.01 | kerio | i expect from backupmenu to remove the old files |
| 09:10.03 | kerio | which it does |
| 09:10.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't afaik |
| 09:10.16 | kerio | you k wrong |
| 09:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 09:10.24 | kerio | go check the shellscript |
| 09:10.36 | kerio | the emmc is completely mkfsed |
| 09:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 09:10.54 | kerio | it doesn't quite touch the ubifs because nobody knows how the fuck ubifs is supposed to wokr |
| 09:10.56 | kerio | *work |
| 09:11.00 | kerio | but it deletes the files |
| 09:11.14 | kerio | idk if ubifs will actually erase the pages, however |
| 09:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then make sure it also does a format of all empty blocks, or otherwise your data still lingers on in those |
| 09:11.22 | kerio | yeah |
| 09:11.28 | kerio | i think ubifs actually might |
| 09:11.34 | kerio | for performance reasons |
| 09:11.52 | kerio | (it's better to keep as many empty pages as possible) |
| 09:11.56 | kerio | the emmc... yeah, your data is still there |
| 09:12.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 09:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're actually right there |
| 09:12.21 | Ashley` | whatever, it is not visible xD |
| 09:12.24 | kerio | robbiethe1st should add a secure erase option to bm |
| 09:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ubifs is additive write, optinmized for flash, afaik |
| 09:12.55 | kerio | i think there's some kind of background process that erases unneeded pages after a while |
| 09:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (secure erase) sonds kinda fine |
| 09:12.57 | kerio | or something |
| 09:13.05 | kerio | i guess you could just make a bigass file full of zeroes |
| 09:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 09:13.10 | kerio | although compression would fuck you over |
| 09:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...on background process |
| 09:13.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 09:13.52 | kerio | ok so |
| 09:13.53 | kerio | touch a file |
| 09:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | for NAND you're basically screwed, unless you use special nand tools |
| 09:13.55 | kerio | disable compression |
| 09:14.02 | kerio | append zeroes |
| 09:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nandtest for ex |
| 09:14.16 | kerio | yeah but then you have to remake the ubifs file system |
| 09:14.25 | Ashley` | can i uncompress that file on computer and not on n900? |
| 09:14.32 | kerio | Ashley`: sure |
| 09:14.37 | kerio | it's just a gzipped tarball |
| 09:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just did |
| 09:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, I uncompressed it on a normal N900 computer ;-D |
| 09:15.08 | Ashley` | i know i can uncompress it |
| 09:15.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's not compressed |
| 09:15.22 | Ashley` | but can backupmenu read from not-compressed file? |
| 09:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | mine |
| 09:15.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 09:15.34 | Ashley` | you know, .tar, not .tar.gz |
| 09:15.36 | Ashley` | oh |
| 09:15.42 | Ashley` | then that'll speed things a bit |
| 09:15.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 09:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why my files are so much larger |
| 09:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and now I know why they are so old: I usually backup to uSD since 2011 |
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| 09:54.26 | Ashley` | Mounting the RootFS... Clearing the RootFS... Restoring Rootfs with Tar :D |
| 09:54.54 | Ashley` | some errors about timestamps from the future |
| 09:54.57 | Ashley` | yay timetravel |
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| 10:05.05 | Ashley` | okay |
| 10:05.20 | Ashley` | NOKIA - shutdown - NOKIA - shutdown |
| 10:05.36 | Ashley` | but i clered emmc from backupmenu root console |
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| 10:06.00 | Ashley` | boot menu not booting~ |
| 10:06.06 | Ashley` | okay |
| 10:06.11 | Ashley` | but it is clean now |
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| 11:27.51 | drathir | mornin... |
| 11:32.13 | kerio | moin |
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| 12:08.51 | drathir | the n900 wifi antenna good read from schema is placed bottom the camera led's? |
| 12:21.35 | Sicelo | question about wifi - for my work network, i have to use wpa_supplicant from cli becaue wlancond fails to connect. what can i do to reduce power consumption when using it this way? |
| 12:26.26 | drathir | if nothing changed wlan power comsumption not works so good if good remember... i guess You could switch on the power_save mode in drivers and cut the rate of rx/tx power... butthats only my guess... |
| 12:27.35 | Sicelo | with wpa_supplicant? |
| 12:29.04 | drathir | sadly with that not much You can do i guess only leave network unsecure to little reduce power with encryption... |
| 12:30.21 | drathir | Sicelo: but please wait a little for answer from ppl more know about that... |
| 12:32.43 | Sicelo | hehe. i have zero control over the wifi network, and no one is interested in fixing it to let my N900 work. |
| 12:34.32 | drathir | Sicelo: You have any high security settings that wifi doesnt works with default setup? |
| 12:35.36 | drathir | personally i would search why not want to connect in the default way... |
| 12:37.10 | Sicelo | WPA2-PEAP-MSCHAPv2 |
| 12:37.48 | Sicelo | they have some problem with their certificate, but since 'veryone' can connect except me, no one bothers |
| 12:38.01 | Sicelo | *everyone |
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| 12:52.30 | drathir | Sicelo: and that connection get any errors? |
| 12:53.11 | drathir | Sicelo: advanced checked too? |
| 12:58.05 | Sicelo | yes |
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| 13:53.44 | zGrr | moin :) |
| 13:54.37 | Snafu777 | 'Lo |
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| 14:43.08 | drathir | hi |
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| 14:50.21 | kerio | ~pali |
| 14:50.21 | infobot | it has been said that pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ |
| 15:26.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I guess you can't do much to reduce power consumption of wpa_supplicant |
| 15:27.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | use zzztop or powertop to see how much CPU usage and how many IRQs from wlan you get while idle |
| 15:28.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably wpa_supplicant needs to decode *every* dang package no matter if addressed to you or to arbitrary other destination, just to make sure you receive the packages meant for you |
| 15:29.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik you are moving part of the WLAN protocol stack out of WLAN chip and to main CPU when using wpa_supplicant |
| 15:48.29 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is any easy way to check wifi antenna in n900 than buying new one? pins cleaned... |
| 15:48.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 15:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the C-springs |
| 15:49.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | on PCB |
| 15:49.27 | drathir | not sure if only antenna is damaged... |
| 15:49.46 | drathir | ok thanks i find them and check too... |
| 15:50.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | antenna hardly can get damaged without clear externally visible scratches or cracks |
| 15:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are pushing on the antenna contact pads |
| 15:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually schaped like a V rather than a C |
| 15:50.59 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05: Yes have scratch that why i wish only antenna damaged... |
| 15:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty likely |
| 15:51.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a new one |
| 15:52.17 | drathir | need to check if that parts are expensive... |
| 15:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you got a dip-meter you can check resonance frequency of the antenna. You need to ground it via 50 Ohm for that, on one pad, and directly to ground on the other |
| 15:52.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few bucks, but not easy to find (spare antenna) |
| 15:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | or or try to fix the scratch. The antenna is made of metalized sticky paper glued to the plastic (I guess). A thin scratch probably can break the thin metal layer |
| 16:02.21 | drathir | yes cu is undercovered with no black secure tape on it... |
| 16:02.57 | drathir | gps/umts/3g works w/o problems |
| 16:03.22 | drathir | but i guess its on the second one antenna... |
| 16:07.39 | drathir | scratch is direct on the wifi connector pins position where case of phone ending and antenna become visable... |
| 16:07.59 | drathir | http://allegro.pl/nowa-oryginalna-antena-gps-nokia-n900-poznan-fv23-i4412064835.html i guess that both of them... |
| 16:08.31 | drathir | looks cheap... nots bad... |
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| 16:20.59 | drathir | oh and also almost forgot to ask some time ago i read on auction description something like that n900 common issue is also not working sd cards slot its true? honestly i first time see that... |
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| 20:57.21 | M4rtinK | any reason N900 does not boot if the adapter is connected ? |
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| 21:05.04 | Sicelo | what adapter? |
| 21:06.30 | M4rtinK | the original one |
| 21:06.56 | Sicelo | by adapter you mean charger? |
| 21:07.08 | M4rtinK | yeah |
| 21:07.46 | M4rtinK | oh, looks like it booted now |
| 21:07.55 | Sicelo | you might have to blacklist some charger module somewhere.. i never had that problem, but there was a time when certain KP had those issues |
| 21:08.02 | M4rtinK | seems I had to let it charge a bit first |
| 21:08.15 | Sicelo | ah.. your battery was too flat :) |
| 21:08.49 | M4rtinK | well, one would thing this is not a problem when the charger is connected |
| 21:08.56 | M4rtinK | I guess it is not that simple :) |
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| 21:25.14 | ult | mine boots successfully approximately half of the times with usb cable connected. judging by syslog it goes into ACT_DEAD the other half. |
| 21:26.46 | ult | but i have g_nokia inserted from rcS-late and maybe percentage of charge left affects bme decision somehow. KP50 |
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| 21:42.18 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbattrecover |
| 21:42.47 | sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover |
| 21:42.47 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 21:42.56 | sixwheeledbeast | ah, one t :) |
| 21:47.07 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: BTW, I think I fixed that logging bug |
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| 21:48.33 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: great I'll be testing it when it's released. planning on doing a lot of walking/cycling for the next month or so. |
| 21:48.42 | M4rtinK | in related news the routing data repository has been updated: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1433062&postcount=1610 |
| 21:49.17 | M4rtinK | check the post for a nice example of a 3000 km route computed on device with the 6 GB Europe-car dataset :) |
| 21:50.26 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: you will be soon able to - I'm sending it to autobuilder now :) |
| 21:51.44 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: :) I need to look at getting offline routing working too, so I will be playing with that also. |
| 21:52.24 | M4rtinK | I'd like to eventually make it easier to use |
| 21:52.53 | M4rtinK | mainly regarding downloading the data packs - it should be possible to do it directly from modRana |
| 21:57.19 | M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: ok, should be built :) |
| 21:58.07 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I agree about making it easier to use. |
| 21:58.39 | sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Great, but don't expect me to go walking at this time of night :P |
| 21:58.52 | M4rtinK | bah :D |
| 22:05.25 | M4rtinK | looking forward to your feedback :) |
| 22:05.34 | M4rtinK | and good night :) |
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