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| 02:37.11 | Tekk_ | stupid question which came up before, how do I select all emails in email? |
| 02:37.17 | Tekk_ | thought it was just Ctrl+a but that's no longer working |
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| 03:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 03:58.51 | Tekk_ | ouch? |
| 04:14.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch for regression |
| 04:16.15 | Tekk_ | ah |
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| 05:51.34 | freemangordon | Tekk_: for sure it works |
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| 05:52.04 | freemangordon | but first you need to choose what you want to do |
| 05:52.15 | freemangordon | (move, delete, etc) |
| 05:52.28 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 05:52.32 | Tekk_ | I was just getting the order wrong |
| 05:52.42 | Tekk_ | thanks freemangordon |
| 05:53.40 | freemangordon | Tekk_: also, you can search after you select all, that way the selection will be reduced to the search results only |
| 05:54.02 | Tekk_ | nice |
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| 06:49.33 | Ras_Older | Any tips for where to begin searching for cause since my N900 cannot get a GPS lock? AGPS gets a rough location which I think is the nearby cell tower. I've tested with Ovi Maps, Columbus, CloudGPS and latest with modRana. I'm not that familiar with debugging GPS problems so any protips? :D |
| 06:50.46 | Ras_Older | Columbus shows me the signal strength of the satellites and those seem to never peak from the poor level. Faulty hardware perhaps or does someone have ideas? |
| 06:53.35 | kerio | how much did you wait? |
| 06:53.42 | kerio | is your SUPL server supl.google.com? |
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| 06:55.10 | Ras_Older | Well I have been trying for three weeks now and usually I keep it waiting for a hour. I have tried with supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com. |
| 06:55.55 | kerio | don't try with supl.nokia.com, it's useless |
| 06:55.59 | kerio | it should work with supl.google.com |
| 07:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg |
| 07:00.42 | infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 07:00.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | location test |
| 07:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | location-test-gui actually |
| 07:05.14 | sixwheeledbeast1 | kerio: google.com stopped working only nokia.com worked with the certman fix |
| 07:05.36 | kerio | :( |
| 07:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/ |
| 07:05.38 | kerio | really |
| 07:07.57 | sixwheeledbeast1 | yep. I have now also started having trouble with "My Location" not displaying location this month. I have a A-GPS fix though. |
| 07:09.19 | Ras_Older | DocScrutinizer05: ah thank you! I was looking for that with apt-cache search but I might not had the correct repos active. Downloading and installing now. |
| 07:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
| 07:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might be better off with AGPS disabled (plain GPS only) than with a borked supl |
| 07:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | also make sure you system date and time is somewhat correct-ish |
| 07:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | it may sound silly but GPS needs an idea of current time to work |
| 07:11.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly with AGPS |
| 07:13.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | (supl.google.com) yeah, now they got enough data from volunteers to make their supl work, now they restrict the service to their crappy android phones. I wouldn't feel surprised |
| 07:15.34 | sixwheeledbeast | Ras_Older: do you have the certman fix? dpkg-query -W maemosec* (should be version 0.2.3 not 0.2.1) |
| 07:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, 0.2.2 here :-P |
| 07:17.27 | Ras_Older | sixwheeledbeast: Just checked and I have 0.2.3 installed. |
| 07:18.31 | Ras_Older | Running the Location Test now |
| 07:20.58 | sixwheeledbeast | Ras_Older: ok, I guess you are on CSSU-T too then. I would make sure the system date and time is correct. WFM, it should work unless you have a local issue |
| 07:21.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not using google supl |
| 07:21.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply disable AGPS |
| 07:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or enable 3G which often does an incredible job for TTFF |
| 07:22.18 | kerio | so we have to disable agps? :( |
| 07:22.23 | kerio | no wait |
| 07:22.30 | kerio | what was the problem with supl.nokia.com again? |
| 07:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | see what sixwheeledbeast wrote |
| 07:23.08 | kerio | oh so now it works again? sweet |
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| 07:24.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it used to, nfc how long this will last |
| 07:24.19 | Ras_Older | Location test is now running and it got me a rough location. Satellites in view 8 - in use 0. I disabled A-GPS now and remains the same for now. Maybe I should have my coffee break now and head outside briefly for checking those signal levels. |
| 07:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc FMG found the problem and fixed it |
| 07:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | in view means nothing |
| 07:24.46 | kerio | Ras_Older: wait, you're testing this indoors? |
| 07:25.06 | Ras_Older | Yeah atm since I am working *cough* |
| 07:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | in view means: according the the almanac (whatever data it contains) and the system clock, the calculations say that those sats should be visible for you |
| 07:25.45 | Ras_Older | But yes I have been running all around my town before this and so far no cigar with the locations. |
| 07:26.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | GPS indoors is nuts |
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| 07:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | GPS while moving too, basically |
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| 07:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | the almanac algo can't know you're indoors so it says "8 in view" |
| 07:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it knew, it would say "0 in view" |
| 07:28.09 | Ras_Older | Wasn't expecting this fast response so yeah I am indoors still :D |
| 07:30.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect "in view: 8" however means you got *some* almanac data, so your supl might actually work |
| 07:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | make sure your date and time is correct |
| 07:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you pull bogus almanac data and then AGPS will search for those sats forever since they never are where the algo expects them |
| 07:32.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | AGPS needs a semi-correct time and a coarse idea of where you are, to work |
| 07:32.34 | Ras_Older | Time & date are correct but I sync'd time just in case. |
| 07:32.46 | kerio | sync your time through GPS! |
| 07:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | time needs to be exact to the minute maybe |
| 07:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hahaha |
| 07:33.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | location needs to be exact to a maybe 500km |
| 07:34.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ballpark estimations right from my rear |
| 07:34.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: neo900 feature request: manual input of ballpark estimations |
| 07:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | tzz |
| 07:35.03 | kerio | when everything else fails! |
| 07:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | how,s that related to hw? |
| 07:35.16 | kerio | i dunno |
| 07:35.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
| 07:35.30 | kerio | feature request: a special chip that keeps track of where you are |
| 07:35.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, you mean... wait... GeePeeEss? |
| 07:35.56 | kerio | nah |
| 07:36.04 | kerio | perhaps a chip with biological elements |
| 07:36.07 | kerio | taken from your rear |
| 07:36.20 | kerio | doc's bum location estimator |
| 07:36.25 | kerio | (pat. pending) |
| 07:36.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can do that "chip" for your device X-P |
| 07:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't complain about the smell! |
| 07:38.29 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: feature request: argentinian world cup win locator |
| 07:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Location_methods |
| 07:39.45 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as i can see there, there's no way to provide the agps data manually |
| 07:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, not my problem |
| 07:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw, in N810 resp diablo, there *been* such method |
| 07:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>If no network connection or SIM card is available, this equals to GNSS.<< I doubt that |
| 07:47.09 | kerio | anyway, with supl.nokia.com i got a fix really quickly |
| 07:50.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | to whom it may concern: liblocation (closed blob) seems to be rextremely well documented regarding what and how it does, and API. RE should be a snap, except for the AGPS/supl data provision to GPS engine in BB5 modem via ISI. Luckily there's an alternative to that soon |
| 07:51.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the Gemalto/Cinterion modem with its GPS has a well documented method to provide the "Assistance" data |
| 07:53.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's a tiny bit nasty: it's not supl data but gemalto's own format, and it doesn't support any location hint, rather you uploade the *complete* almanac and ephemeral, thus the modem's GPS can do true AGPS only when you have a SIM so it got an idea where you currently are |
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| 07:55.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's my uneducated interim estimation on the situation with P*S8 modems |
| 07:56.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | in RL however this isn't as bad as it sounds, since the only thing it really rules out is AGPS via WLAN (or USB) |
| 07:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/via/with internet via/ |
| 07:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | non-A GPS is still possible |
| 08:06.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | just comes to think that GPS correlators are basically exactly same as a string compare command of a "normal CPU" |
| 08:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the more correlations per time unit you can do, the less any AGPS will help for TTFF |
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| 08:11.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | since aiui the whole point of Assistance for TTFF is to rule out 99% of correlation patterns that don't apply to your location*time anyway, so the engine doesn't need to bother about those moot patterns and can search the likely patterns with all its compuational power |
| 08:13.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | once your correlators locked, you got tuned in to your sats and then Assistance only helps with emphemerals which offer increased accuracy since they tell about stuff like ionopheric delay etc |
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| 08:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | but iirc that data gets sent by sats at a much faster cycle time than the almanac which needs some 12 minutes to download it completely |
| 08:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask SpeedEvil |
| 08:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 15:13.12 | ult1 | Hi guys, i need an advise. After recent installation of custom ruby package (which turned out to be non-optified) got myself a situation: no error msg in dpkg and following gem install <somegems>, but rootfs space exhausted and after moving several big files to /opt, df / still displys 0 bytes free. |
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| 15:22.45 | ult1 | After reboot ubifs fixed itself, but something got broken in hildon-desktop launch process - as before two instances of it launched from dsme-server and maemo-launcher, but booting just stalls there - got infinite animation. I was able to troubleshoot it to this point: 2 initscripts waiting for file to be created in /tmp. this file is created by hildon-desktop, but strace shows that in case it doesn't exist already, it's presence is never even c |
| 15:30.03 | ult1 | i've checked all of /event.d/* /Xsession.[d|post]/* and even diff'ed 'em with backup which is pretty old though. nothing. Also, accidently found out that ubifs overflow has blanked dhclient config script blank, so i've reinstalled with deconfig and conf removal everything *hildon* -related and every package owning /etc/event.d and Xsession, but to no avail. I've come up with sort of workaround, which requires manual /tmp/flagfile creation just b |
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| 15:45.37 | ult1 | forgot to add, reflash isn't an option, and current booting process requires some initscripts modification (what's worse is that it's unknown to what packages in future it has to be applied, and no way to find out, other than catch error in syslog ) - some of them have to respawn until hildon is really ready, and don't be killed beacuse of too frequent respawn. |
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| 16:41.22 | dos1 | hmm... |
| 16:41.41 | dos1 | latest cssu should have proper certificates for supl.nokia.com, right? |
| 16:41.50 | kerio | yah |
| 16:42.46 | dos1 | this wasn't the case on my device |
| 16:43.03 | kerio | no clue on how to properly test this |
| 16:43.11 | kerio | beyond checking that the fix takes little time |
| 16:43.27 | dos1 | when it fails, it's in syslog |
| 16:43.37 | kerio | that's cheating |
| 16:43.39 | kerio | :P |
| 16:45.01 | dos1 | and you can check if cert is accepted with openssl utility :P |
| 16:45.32 | dos1 | openssl s_client -connect supl.nokia.com:7275 -CApath / |
| 16:46.01 | dos1 | (capath seems bogus, but due to a funny bug in this tool it works :P) |
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| 16:47.56 | kerio | which bug? |
| 16:48.23 | kerio | also, nokia sucks at ssl |
| 16:48.36 | kerio | you're not supposed to send the CA certificate in the certificate chain |
| 16:49.00 | dos1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/396818 |
| 16:49.54 | kerio | knows ssl |
| 16:50.09 | kerio | as in, my website has an A+ from the ssllabs validator |
| 16:51.45 | dos1 | yes, location-proxy fails to connect with supl.nokia.com with verify_res=19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain) |
| 16:53.05 | kerio | that's not a real error, tbh |
| 16:53.11 | kerio | it's just... useless |
| 16:53.20 | kerio | you won't trust the root CA certificate just because it's there |
| 16:53.27 | kerio | so it doesn't really matter if it's sent or not |
| 16:54.38 | dos1 | anyway, location-proxy rejects ssl connection to supl.nokia.com on my device, and this results seems to be consistent with what s_client told me |
| 16:54.50 | dos1 | so it definitely doesn't work on my device :P |
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| 16:59.18 | dos1 | and that's only due to SSL issues, with proxy it works fine |
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| 17:04.53 | kerio | i reckon the new certman just adds the actual certificate to ca-certificates? |
| 17:07.53 | sixwheeledbeast | dos1: which CSSU version? |
| 17:08.02 | dos1 | thumb |
| 17:08.25 | sixwheeledbeast | ah, so you should have the fixed certman then |
| 17:09.27 | sixwheeledbeast | 0.2.3, maybe more certificate issues again? |
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| 17:11.07 | dos1 | 0.2.3, right |
| 17:11.39 | kerio | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=acehack.de look at how much green there is |
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| 17:29.43 | sixwheeledbeast | ~boot-process |
| 17:29.48 | infobot | see boot-process |
| 17:29.57 | sixwheeledbeast | eh |
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| 17:42.39 | kerio | like, compared to https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=maemo.org |
| 17:42.44 | kerio | where there's lots of red and some yellow |
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| 17:54.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix it! |
| 17:55.24 | kerio | do you seriously want ME to hold a private key for a tls maemo.org cert? |
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| 19:55.31 | Snafu777 | Is there a way to install cssu without being online? |
| 19:55.39 | Snafu777 | Could I possibly download whatever packages to make this happen offline? |
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| 21:24.21 | sixwheeledbeast | Why would you need to download the packages to make it happen offline |
| 21:25.07 | sixwheeledbeast | o.O |
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| 21:26.38 | kerio | ? |
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| 21:36.36 | Snafu777 | Is it possible to install cssu completly offline? |
| 21:36.43 | Snafu777 | I know this is unconventional, but I am curious |
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| 22:06.28 | Sicelo | Snafu777: the possibility is there of course ... use `apt-get -d install <pkg-name>` |
| 22:08.07 | Sicelo | if you later open up HAM and want to install CSSU, it will (or should) realize that these packages have already been downloaded, and won't redownload. that means, offline :D |
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| 22:10.06 | Snafu777 | Right, but do you not have to go to the website using the phone at some pt? |
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| 23:42.42 | jehyt | تØØ°Ùر |
| 23:42.42 | jehyt | warning |
| 23:42.43 | jehyt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.43 | jehyt | do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy?? |
| 23:42.43 | jehyt | do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying?? |
| 23:42.43 | jehyt | do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations?? |
| 23:42.43 | jehyt | warning |
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