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| 11:04.38 | vakkov | Qt and QML guys, please help me! I need to split the screen in two halves. Imagine that each half is a big button (basically I need two big buttons that split the screen vertically). How can I accomplish this task? |
| 11:06.06 | vakkov | QSplitter i guess |
| 11:06.24 | sixwheeledbeast | vakkov: easy, put two buttons in your dialog with the designer and use group option |
| 11:08.04 | sixwheeledbeast | do you want it to take up the whole window? |
| 11:08.16 | vakkov | yes |
| 11:10.05 | sixwheeledbeast | Ok so many ways to do it but, two button on a window select layout horizonally on the window and then set the buttons to MinimumExpanding |
| 11:10.16 | sixwheeledbeast | vakkov: ^^ |
| 11:10.43 | vakkov | thanks :) |
| 11:10.59 | sixwheeledbeast | vakkov: np |
| 11:15.25 | sixwheeledbeast | You could also use a horz groupbox if you need to add more items to that window. |
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| 11:25.31 | sixwheeledbeast | wishes he had more time to learn C properly, he may be able to make some more useful Qt apps then. |
| 11:28.13 | vakkov | ok, so the .ui file is imported to the .pro . Now I need to make that design show on the screen |
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| 18:00.38 | sixwheeledbeast | \o/ vote token |
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| 18:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: hm? |
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| 18:44.16 | sixwheeledbeast | I have one ... before the elections start :) |
| 18:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 18:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how you got iz |
| 18:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | it* |
| 18:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly what it looks like |
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| 18:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't be the right ballot already, since that's not even set up yet, not to think about proofreading it by council |
| 18:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm STILL missing the official announcement about which are the candidates and when the voting will start, on ML and community blog |
| 18:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | done by chair of council |
| 18:47.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | overdue since ... monday? |
| 18:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think *anybody* already noticed about the pending elections |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually not even all candidates have posted their introduction |
| 18:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even nieldk |
| 18:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | who *should* know what to do |
| 18:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014/Candidate_declarations#TODO_:_Next_ones_to_be_listed |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014 still has ZILCH pending dates, totally outdated |
| 18:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the term "secret election" got misinterpreted here ;-D |
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| 19:11.49 | sixwheeledbeast | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1431900#post1431900 |
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| 19:28.16 | sixwheeledbeast | ~moo |
| 19:28.16 | infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf tmo? |
| 20:16.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's reading tmo random threads? |
| 20:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, why do I worry |
| 20:18.43 | sixwheeledbeast | because your on the council and you care |
| 20:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems 50% of candidates don't even think about *introducing* themselves, and I wouldn't feel surprised if those are the ones who get voted, since they for example promis "more gifs" |
| 20:20.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me as if there's a pretty cloudy idea of what council is all about, if at all, out there |
| 20:22.10 | sixwheeledbeast | I have faith in the community to select the right people. It good that we finally got so much interest. |
| 20:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a pretty obvious reason why application at ML always been mandatory. Even two: a) you can edit tmo posts all you like, any time you like. And b) nobody is supposed to keep track of all new posts on tmo |
| 20:23.14 | sixwheeledbeast | We need fresh people as the long timers are pushed deeper into looking after infra etc. |
| 20:23.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* introduction also been mandatory |
| 20:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need fresh people wo promise "mar gifs" |
| 20:24.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | moar even |
| 20:25.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also doubt any of those who you think are "pushed deeper into looking after infra etc" will be happy about trying to cooperate with a council that's focused on stuff like posting gifs on tmo |
| 20:25.49 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe juiceme isn't aware or busy. He's done a good job of publishing minutes of meetings as chair IMO. |
| 20:26.07 | kerio | i promise more jpgs |
| 20:26.18 | sixwheeledbeast | As I say I trust the community to make the correct decision |
| 20:26.32 | sixwheeledbeast | jpgs of what? |
| 20:26.38 | kerio | idk |
| 20:26.48 | kerio | <doc> [...] since they for example promis "more gifs" |
| 20:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | to me it seems like 4 of our 10 candidates are more or less fake bidding (as in ebay) |
| 20:27.53 | kerio | wait isn't that what we did with my candidation for last election |
| 20:28.46 | sixwheeledbeast | well we only need 5, are they all eligible, if they do not post a declaration then there unlikely to get votes IMO |
| 20:30.55 | sixwheeledbeast | TBH bigger fish to fry than worry about something out of my control. |
| 20:31.17 | sixwheeledbeast | But maybe it's worth mentioning to juiceme about the ML etc |
| 20:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also doubt it's a right thing to have when anonymous (only nickname known) council members decide over maintainership approval for maemo infra for which we mandate full name getting disclosed to such council (and HiFo board) |
| 20:39.32 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: agreed. |
| 20:41.16 | sixwheeledbeast | but without a declaration and karma check I didn't think they would be included in the vote |
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| 20:42.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | or how's somebody who refuses to update own declaration on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014/Candidate_declarations#TODO_:_Next_ones_to_be_listed supposed to decide who gets permissions to moderate wiki? |
| 20:42.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly doubt those who still haven't provided proper declaration are valid candidates |
| 20:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's up to chair to decide that, and he seems to have a more relaxed set of requirements to council candidates |
| 20:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, towards proper election process, which so far always included officially checking such requirements like karma, proper in time application *on ML*, proper declaration (so the contemplation period makes any sense at all) etc pp |
| 20:47.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it's been best practice so far to check back with complete council about wording of the mail to send out being correct |
| 20:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I mentioned several times that elections and candidates *need* to get *officially* (means: on blog and thus automatically on ML and _maybe_ on tmo) announced by council chair |
| 20:51.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm honestly too busy and frankly also too wrecked form past 6 months, to take care of all this just another time |
| 20:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to emphasize and point out on council tasks and general rules and what council does, during last meeting |
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| 21:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | FFS!!!! we AGAIN are sending out mails to deleted garage accounts |
| 21:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHO CREATED THAT ELECTORATE TABLE?? WHO CHECKED IT FOR PLAUSIBILITY? |
| 21:36.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
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| 21:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | some poor fellow receiving a ballot for 3rd time now, for a garage account he deleted years ago |
| 21:50.06 | bencoh | looks like you cant leave maemo :> |
| 21:54.16 | Luke-Jr | I don't think I got a ballot :o |
| 21:54.36 | Luke-Jr | otoh, I'd probably have ignored it |
| 22:01.01 | sixwheeledbeast | you can't "leave" maemo. It's infra doesn't allow it |
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| 22:06.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: don't tell that a lawyer. We are legally obliged to delete all privacy data on request |
| 22:08.10 | bencoh | :] |
| 22:08.47 | sixwheeledbeast | "on request" that's fine, it just can't be done automagically |
| 22:08.55 | sixwheeledbeast | so it seems |
| 22:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | that guy requested it 3rd time now |
| 22:23.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus what's worse: this incident/problem suggests that our electorate list wasn't updated at all, so we also might not see anybody voting who joined community during last 18 months |
| 22:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on this, in #maemo-meeting |
| 22:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and in ##maemo-admin |
| 22:29.26 | ShadowJK | Considering that maemo is in a process of constant downsizing, it would probably make sense to change this election thing |
| 22:29.36 | ShadowJK | Longer terms |
| 22:29.44 | ShadowJK | .. fewer elects? |
| 22:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, maemo council should actually "reinvent" itself and drive a movement towards a community discussion resulting in new rules and council definition suggested in a referendum |
| 22:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid we already missed the point in time where council had enough power, knowledge, experience, and endurance to make that happen |
| 22:37.41 | ShadowJK | I'm not familiar with rules of anything, but I would've thought they could do that at any time |
| 22:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | do what exactly? |
| 22:38.58 | ShadowJK | Redefine itself |
| 22:39.18 | sixwheeledbeast | the knowledge and experience is the key here |
| 22:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun collateral effect: this would introduce massive problems with HiFo bylaws and probably also that new e.V. |
| 22:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | while the council can change own rules via referendum any time (given somebody has the drive to do so), same does probably NOT apply to HiFo bylaws which got a copy of those council rules |
| 22:42.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, I outright refuse to even start thinking about that, and what it would ensue |
| 22:44.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we don't even have a fully working infra to do a proper referendum, as you can see in above few dozen lines |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly maemo orga has tripped the point of no return towards a zombie state already |
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