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| 15:22.41 | Sicelo | Snafu777: ping |
| 15:25.45 | Snafu777 | Hi |
| 15:25.57 | Snafu777 | likes a good pinging |
| 15:26.07 | Snafu777 | It's like flogging but cleaner |
| 15:26.27 | Sicelo | hehe |
| 15:26.32 | Snafu777 | So whats up |
| 15:26.58 | Sicelo | just wanted to find out if you pursued the easy-deb & x over network thing you tried about 2 days ago.. |
| 15:27.03 | Snafu777 | Ah |
| 15:27.09 | Sicelo | :D |
| 15:27.20 | Snafu777 | I tried over windows, but had issues with two things: My lack of knowledge -and- I believe firewall issues |
| 15:27.28 | Snafu777 | So, I want to try in linux, but haven't had the time yet |
| 15:27.40 | Sicelo | i'm on linux. not working either. and definitely no firewall :( |
| 15:27.45 | Snafu777 | Ah |
| 15:27.53 | Snafu777 | And yer familiar with ssh -X type things? |
| 15:28.02 | Snafu777 | X11 forwarding I should say rather |
| 15:28.18 | Snafu777 | has forwarded over X once before |
| 15:28.23 | Sicelo | yes. i wanted to try without ssh however |
| 15:28.27 | Snafu777 | I did it just to try it out and understand the concept |
| 15:28.35 | Snafu777 | See without SSH, just go VNC |
| 15:28.40 | Snafu777 | but it will be god awful on the rendering |
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| 15:28.46 | Snafu777 | I figure ssh x11 forwarding would be smoothr |
| 15:28.51 | Snafu777 | And "more" secure |
| 15:28.53 | Sicelo | i have never liked vnc :P |
| 15:29.31 | Sicelo | i'll keep trying with x alone (on my LAN) .. i'm sure there's another explanation/solution |
| 15:29.42 | Snafu777 | I'm guessing it's maemo |
| 15:29.47 | Snafu777 | and how fragmented the damn OS is |
| 15:30.11 | Snafu777 | Oooooo, Lets mount / on a 256mb NAND chip. Let's give 30 gigs to a vfat and 2gigs to a ext3 |
| 15:30.14 | Snafu777 | Thats inelligent |
| 15:30.18 | bencoh | Sicelo: magic cookies/xauth |
| 15:30.21 | Snafu777 | We'll make the people suffer by having to optimize stuff |
| 15:30.22 | bencoh | and some X11 conf |
| 15:30.34 | Sicelo | bencoh: xhost .. added my N900 ip there |
| 15:31.00 | bencoh | (why would you wanna do that btw ??) |
| 15:31.01 | Snafu777 | See, i didn't have to do any hardcore configuration with my X11 forwarding experiment |
| 15:31.06 | Snafu777 | In Mint it just worked |
| 15:31.40 | Sicelo | yes, the first time i asked myself the same question bencoh .. then again, proof-of-concept, i guess |
| 15:47.06 | kerio | Snafu777: hey, we gotta have audio at boot time |
| 15:47.13 | kerio | otherwise people won't be able to hear the sound to the mr hands video |
| 15:47.24 | kerio | brand recognition yo |
| 15:47.25 | Snafu777 | Audio at boot time? |
| 15:47.41 | Snafu777 | Mr hands? |
| 15:47.44 | Snafu777 | I deleted mr hands |
| 15:47.46 | Snafu777 | Evil |
| 15:47.52 | Snafu777 | That was from NAMBLA's website |
| 15:47.52 | kerio | one of the few reasons we can't move /usr to a separate partition is that the system needs pulseaudio to bootan |
| 15:47.53 | kerio | *boot |
| 15:47.56 | Snafu777 | Some old man grabbing a youngsters hand |
| 15:48.02 | Snafu777 | Oh |
| 15:48.04 | Snafu777 | I see |
| 15:48.07 | kerio | and pulseaudio is installed in /usr |
| 15:48.11 | Snafu777 | shuts up and listens to kerio |
| 15:48.36 | kerio | no, mr hands was the dude who died after having sex with a horse |
| 15:48.44 | kerio | by extension, the nokia boot-time video with the shaking hands |
| 15:48.51 | kerio | fucking our filesystem in the ass |
| 15:49.18 | kerio | i really, really, REALLY don't get why the fuck they didn't compile the emmc modules in the kernel |
| 15:49.22 | kerio | so we could mount /usr early |
| 15:49.34 | Snafu777 | Here is a question kerio |
| 15:49.38 | Snafu777 | With the knowledge in this channel |
| 15:49.48 | Snafu777 | Could "the community" not create a 4th release of the OS? |
| 15:49.59 | kerio | we can hardly find maintainers for cssu |
| 15:50.00 | Snafu777 | p4 or whatever |
| 15:50.08 | kerio | let alone something like that |
| 15:50.32 | kerio | also, nemo mobile is what you're looking for, i think |
| 15:50.48 | Snafu777 | nemo mobile? |
| 15:51.02 | kerio | or maybe Mer |
| 15:51.04 | kerio | i never understood |
| 15:52.03 | Snafu777 | I just wish it was all one partition |
| 15:52.08 | Snafu777 | screw the 256mb NAND |
| 15:52.24 | Snafu777 | or several partitions on the 32gb chip |
| 15:52.32 | kerio | laggy |
| 15:52.35 | Snafu777 | just not / on one chip and the rest on the other |
| 15:52.36 | kerio | ~m32g |
| 15:52.37 | Snafu777 | U think so? |
| 15:52.45 | kerio | mh |
| 15:52.49 | kerio | what was the link |
| 15:52.51 | kerio | yeah, i'm fairly sure |
| 15:52.53 | Snafu777 | Granted, I know crap about this type of stuff |
| 15:53.02 | kerio | the emmc is noticeably slower than the nand |
| 15:53.08 | Snafu777 | I just hate the concept of optimization with a passion |
| 15:53.16 | kerio | there's some scripts made by pali to install the system on the emmc |
| 15:53.22 | kerio | giving you pretty much all the space you want |
| 15:53.36 | Snafu777 | I just did bind mounts to make space |
| 15:53.50 | kerio | yeah, it works |
| 15:53.54 | Snafu777 | created /home/rootfs_bind |
| 15:54.04 | kerio | i made so much space that i could even disable the compression on nand |
| 15:54.04 | Snafu777 | copied essential stuff to it, and bind mount to it |
| 15:54.06 | Snafu777 | etc... |
| 15:54.09 | kerio | which makes things go even faster |
| 15:54.29 | kerio | the thing is |
| 15:54.35 | kerio | the n900 is bottlenecked both by cpu and by IO |
| 15:55.14 | Snafu777 | See I could care less about iphone type speeds |
| 15:55.23 | Snafu777 | I'm fine with 600mHz that I overclock to 1.1ghz |
| 15:55.32 | Snafu777 | I just want consistency with other *nix platforms |
| 15:55.36 | kerio | i should probably overclock my n900 tbh |
| 15:55.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Why do we need a fourth release (PR1.4)? CSSU has had multiple releases? |
| 15:55.48 | kerio | it won't last much longer anyway |
| 15:55.48 | Snafu777 | I run mine at 850 and it runs greate |
| 15:55.57 | Snafu777 | Because not all of us use CSSU sixwheeledbeast |
| 15:56.00 | Snafu777 | I'm one of the ones who don't |
| 15:56.03 | kerio | Snafu777: oh, btw |
| 15:56.04 | kerio | use cssu |
| 15:56.07 | Snafu777 | because it breaks to tools I use |
| 15:56.16 | Snafu777 | pentest stff |
| 15:56.19 | Snafu777 | stuff |
| 15:56.35 | kerio | so... you're overclocking and you don't even have cssu-thumb installed |
| 15:56.44 | Snafu777 | nope |
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| 15:56.45 | kerio | gj |
| 15:57.01 | Snafu777 | Hell, I can walk you through my steps, I keep them onine =) |
| 15:57.03 | sixwheeledbeast | Well Nokia has abandoned Maemo so the only updates will be Community ones |
| 15:57.20 | kerio | ~pr14 |
| 15:57.23 | kerio | ~pr1.4 |
| 15:57.23 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 15:57.30 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 15:57.30 | infobot | :), kerio |
| 15:57.34 | kerio | so cute ^_^ |
| 15:57.49 | Snafu777 | configitnow.com/pwnphone/DIRECTIONS |
| 15:57.55 | bencoh | :] |
| 15:58.05 | Snafu777 | configitnow.com/pwnphone/pwnphone_img_v4.0.tar.lzma |
| 15:58.19 | Snafu777 | configitnow.com/pwnphone/stock_images.tar.lzma |
| 15:58.22 | dos1 | Snafu777: how does it break the tools? isn't just fixing it better idea than being stuck without updates? :P |
| 15:58.26 | Snafu777 | That's how I do it kerio |
| 15:58.34 | Snafu777 | I manage my own updates? |
| 15:58.37 | sixwheeledbeast | :) CSSU is not meant to break anything, well Stable definitely isn't. |
| 15:58.38 | Snafu777 | Keep my own repos =) |
| 15:58.42 | Katajakasa | Meh, install Gentoo! :P |
| 15:58.53 | kerio | oh so you've upgraded openssl by yourself? |
| 15:58.55 | Katajakasa | And paint a couple of white stripes on your device |
| 15:59.15 | Snafu777 | I haven't had a need to upgrade openssl on it |
| 15:59.23 | kerio | Katajakasa: you're a fucking noob |
| 15:59.25 | Snafu777 | I pentest with the phone, i don't browse to https with it, nor run a server |
| 15:59.28 | kerio | everyone knows that RED stripes make it go faster |
| 15:59.45 | Snafu777 | I could have openssl 0.1 on it and be thrilled |
| 15:59.48 | bencoh | red car, says the monkey ! |
| 15:59.55 | dos1 | Snafu777: duplicating efforts? why for? |
| 15:59.57 | Snafu777 | What i care about are pentest tools, hping, aircrack, metasploit, etc... |
| 16:00.16 | dos1 | every tool you mention should work on cssu |
| 16:00.20 | dos1 | if it doesn't, it's a bug |
| 16:00.22 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 16:00.28 | Snafu777 | They don't work with the scripts prior written |
| 16:00.35 | dos1 | and bugs should be fixed |
| 16:00.38 | Snafu777 | And I don't want to re-write the scripts |
| 16:00.44 | dos1 | and published, so anyone can benefit |
| 16:01.01 | Katajakasa | kerio: hah, fool! white stripes obviously reflect light away from the device so that the cpu can reach light speed easier |
| 16:01.20 | Snafu777 | While it is true that I should go with CSSU (Can't argue) |
| 16:01.32 | Snafu777 | I don't because last time I did, everything that I was accustomed to, broke. |
| 16:01.45 | bencoh | hm... |
| 16:01.47 | Snafu777 | I'd also have to figure out where and at what point in the upgrade to flip the bind mounts |
| 16:02.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Well anything that "broke" should be repoted and fixed. |
| 16:02.09 | Snafu777 | Having to run the optimize thingie on a deb is not fun |
| 16:02.17 | Snafu777 | But nobody in CSSU cares about hacking tools |
| 16:02.20 | dos1 | especially if it's cssu-stable |
| 16:02.27 | Snafu777 | CSSU is more for people who actually use the phone for smartphone purposes |
| 16:02.36 | Snafu777 | At least from the responses I had last time I brought it up |
| 16:02.41 | bencoh | hm, no ?() |
| 16:02.47 | Snafu777 | Not from what I could tell |
| 16:02.49 | Snafu777 | I'd love to help out |
| 16:02.52 | sixwheeledbeast | I can't imagine anything that would break from CSSU Stable upgrade. |
| 16:02.54 | Snafu777 | I use some neat stuff with my n900 |
| 16:03.51 | Snafu777 | I guess I could try it again |
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| 16:03.57 | sixwheeledbeast | I disagree CSSU Stable is for everyone.... |
| 16:04.05 | Snafu777 | Let me ask this then, if I go CSSU stable, does packet injection come standard or do I have to jump a rainbow to make it happen? |
| 16:04.29 | sixwheeledbeast | packet injection isn't in PR1.3 |
| 16:04.38 | Snafu777 | But it is if you use the power kernel |
| 16:04.52 | bencoh | I dont see why cssu would break it |
| 16:04.58 | bencoh | as long as you keep using power kernel |
| 16:05.03 | sixwheeledbeast | well CSSU doesn't effect the kernel |
| 16:05.41 | Snafu777 | Specifically I use kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb because anything newer than that seems to act FUNKY with airbase-ng |
| 16:05.48 | Snafu777 | dropped clients |
| 16:05.53 | Snafu777 | Multiple reassociations for NO reason |
| 16:05.54 | Snafu777 | etc.. |
| 16:05.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I have CSSU Stable and KP no problem. I don't use packet injection. |
| 16:06.27 | sixwheeledbeast | Snafu777: you should report those issues to Pali aka KP maintainer. |
| 16:06.44 | sixwheeledbeast | KP is an extras package after all not a CSSU system package |
| 16:07.55 | Snafu777 | How about the system asking the user to type in a password when pressing an icon that launched a script requiring root |
| 16:08.12 | dos1 | for cssu-thumb, you actually even *have to* use kernel-power |
| 16:08.45 | sixwheeledbeast | If you install CSSU-thumb then KP will be upgraded to the latest, due to depending on errata workaround. |
| 16:08.57 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: dos1 beat me :P |
| 16:11.17 | sixwheeledbeast | Snafu777: have you password protected root? |
| 16:12.00 | Snafu777 | of course |
| 16:12.08 | Snafu777 | installing openssh makes u change the pword |
| 16:12.21 | Snafu777 | set one rather |
| 16:12.33 | sixwheeledbeast | so if you open a terminal and type root you have to enter a password? |
| 16:12.40 | Snafu777 | oh |
| 16:12.40 | Snafu777 | no |
| 16:13.06 | sixwheeledbeast | well CSSU shouldn't play with either. |
| 16:13.14 | Snafu777 | but if i ssh into the n900, i must type password for root |
| 16:17.52 | Snafu777 | After having read about CSSU thumb it seems I'm missing out on some "real" performace. Does it really make her performt hat much better? |
| 16:19.19 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes it's a lot snappier due to less memory being used. However you can't use thumb if you want to keep KP46. |
| 16:20.41 | Snafu777 | I know that |
| 16:20.54 | Snafu777 | I'm curious as to see if the newest KP will drop clients |
| 16:28.40 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe bm your setup and try. If you have issues you'll have to reflash, install kp46 and restore bm |
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| 16:29.25 | bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: do you have figures regarding thumb vs nonthumb ? |
| 16:29.38 | sixwheeledbeast | or maybe kp's changelogs has some notes on bugfixes |
| 16:30.12 | sixwheeledbeast | bencoh: no, fmg is the man to ask re thumb |
| 16:30.35 | bencoh | freemangordon: do you have figures regarding thumb vs nonthumb ? :) |
| 16:31.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu-thumb |
| 16:31.06 | infobot | hmm... cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb |
| 16:32.37 | bencoh | so ... 30% ? |
| 16:33.06 | bencoh | "With packages that are so far in CSSU-thumb repository, the code size is reduced by approximately 35MiB" well much less then |
| 16:35.12 | sixwheeledbeast | I imagine it will be reduced a little more than that now |
| 16:39.14 | sixwheeledbeast | hmm, My Location hasn't been working for a while, I wonder why. I have a A-GPS fix...mmm |
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| 17:33.52 | freemangordon | bencoh: it is a bit relative, as code size is reduced by 30-40 % for thumb vs non, but not everything is thumb-compiled. also, keep in mind that most system libs (read - most of the time in RAM) are thumb-compiled, so the end effect is bigger than one may think by just looking at those 35MiB |
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| 17:48.05 | ecc2g | looks for another n900 to try thumb on ... |
| 17:50.29 | Snafu777 | kerio: Are you there? |
| 17:50.38 | kerio | no |
| 17:50.43 | Snafu777 | too bad |
| 17:50.49 | Snafu777 | When do you think you will be back, eh? |
| 17:50.50 | Snafu777 | =) |
| 17:50.55 | Snafu777 | Yer cssu saavy |
| 17:51.01 | Snafu777 | So here is a question |
| 17:51.09 | Snafu777 | Let me pull up my work for a sec so i can speak from text |
| 17:52.24 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/v5gauwkr |
| 17:52.36 | Snafu777 | If I wanted to be able to use that technique, could it be done with cssu? |
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