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| 09:09.05 | zGrr | moin :) |
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| 09:53.09 | stevenm | Lo, I'm guessing new apps are not allowed on the nokia/ovi store for the maemo platform - so before they disappear entirely - is there anyway of downloading all the .deb packages in that repo? |
| 09:53.37 | stevenm | i know there was a modified apt-get floating around that could download from it without using the Ovi Store app |
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| 10:25.09 | federico3 | another broken n900, *sigh* |
| 10:26.18 | erlehmann | federico3 how did you break it? |
| 10:26.29 | federico3 | I think it's the microusb connector (again) |
| 10:27.16 | federico3 | I'm afraid I'll have to move away from maemo at this time :( |
| 10:27.58 | erlehmann | how can i change font on maemo? |
| 10:28.02 | erlehmann | :3 |
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| 11:45.24 | kerio | federico3: just buy another one, duh |
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| 12:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 |
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| 12:41.55 | federico3 | kerio: given that maemo does not seem to be... thriving and there aren't new phones to run it on... |
| 12:42.59 | Snafu777 | What do you mean maemo isn't thriving? =) |
| 12:43.07 | stevenm | DocScrutinizer05, do you know of any complete mirrors of the Ovi Store for maemo apps? |
| 12:43.24 | stevenm | I've stumbled on maybe a couple using google - not sure if they're complete though |
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| 12:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | stevenm: sorry, no idea. |
| 12:50.29 | stevenm | http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ |
| 12:50.37 | stevenm | this seems complete - but i don't think it has any paid apps |
| 12:51.26 | bencoh | it doesnt, I didnt bother mirroring ovi stuff |
| 12:52.10 | bencoh | (it's huge and, well, non-free/proprietary stuff, which I'm not interested in) |
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| 12:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 12:55.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity that so many packages never got transferred into the (at lest non-free) maemo-extras repos, thus officially making them available instead of simply abandoning them |
| 12:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least* |
| 12:55.57 | stevenm | i'd just like a backup of the free ones I used to install from ovi and the angry birds levels i paid for :S |
| 12:56.21 | bencoh | stevenm: free as in "free food" ? |
| 12:56.28 | stevenm | as in beer |
| 12:56.43 | stevenm | since Jan 2014 no maemo/meego/symbian app can be updated or added anyway - so its not like what I'm backing up from will change |
| 12:56.57 | stevenm | added/updated to the nokia/ovi store i mean |
| 12:57.24 | bencoh | oh well, then you only need to run apt-mirror on ovi repository |
| 12:57.46 | stevenm | and just download through it? |
| 12:57.56 | stevenm | yeah that's one way |
| 12:58.06 | bencoh | yup |
| 12:58.21 | zGrr | Does any of you have Jolla or or Sailfish on Nokia? |
| 12:58.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think ovi repo still working |
| 12:58.52 | stevenm | DocScrutinizer05, maemo apps are still listed on the store.nokia.com site |
| 12:59.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | stevenm: wow |
| 12:59.13 | stevenm | the repo *looks* to still be there - although i get auth denied accessing via http |
| 12:59.21 | bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: hmm I think it does since it started downloading from there before I removed it from my apt-mirror conf |
| 12:59.28 | bencoh | stevenm: basic http auth |
| 12:59.46 | stevenm | it's freaky because the freeware "YouTube Uploader" app that nokia made for the n900/maemo - the vendor in the store now lists it as Microsoft Mobile |
| 13:00.14 | stevenm | so "Microsoft Mobile" made a "YouTube Updater" for a Google service for a GNU/Linux handheld years before they even bought Nokia lol |
| 13:00.42 | stevenm | set your phone to N900 and browse to... http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Microsoft%20Mobile/ |
| 13:01.37 | bencoh | :/ |
| 13:03.40 | federico3 | good question zGrr - I wonder how's Sailfish doing |
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| 13:05.50 | zGrr | I have no idea. It might be worth to upgrade aging N9 to Sailfish. |
| 13:06.04 | zGrr | There is no N9 CSSU is there? |
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| 13:56.52 | chem|st | zGrr: nope, wanna start it? |
| 14:08.19 | zGrr | chem|st: not at the moment :( |
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| 17:55.20 | Snafu777 | So easy-deb-chroot, I noticed it has an X server. I'm assuming I could ssh and run X via SSH eh? |
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| 18:03.00 | Sicelo | hmm, you can also do that with maemo itself |
| 18:03.09 | Sicelo | unless i don't understand u well |
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| 18:14.11 | Sicelo | Snafu777: actually the 'real' xserver used by easy-deb is the maemo one ;) |
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| 18:36.29 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I was away for a couple of days, what about ECI and KP? |
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| 18:51.38 | Snafu777 | Sicelo: What I am looking to do is SSH into my n900, and then using X11 forwarding via SSH I want the LXDE desktop to appear on my laptop screen |
| 18:51.49 | Snafu777 | Doable?, I'm playing with it right now, trying anyways |
| 18:53.32 | freemangordon | Snafu777: start second X server on your laptop, export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:1, start lxde session |
| 18:53.54 | freemangordon | that worked for me last time I tried it |
| 18:54.48 | Snafu777 | freemangordon: Cool, i will try that here momentarily =) |
| 18:55.31 | freemangordon | Snafu777: the part "export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:1, start lxde session" should be done on n900, in chroot terminal :) |
| 18:57.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: I analyzed what N900 HW has for ECI support, wrote a oneliner spec how to (PHY layer) talk ECI, and spotted the Nitdroid source that seems to already provide a kernel module for ECI |
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| 18:58.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: afaik stock omap1 kernel as well KP already have support, maybe I can't get your idea |
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| 19:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | support for ECI? |
| 19:01.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | no ECI in N900 |
| 19:01.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo |
| 19:01.31 | freemangordon | oh, mayvbe there is no support in the userland |
| 19:01.44 | freemangordon | but I think there is support in the kernel |
| 19:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, there's no /dev node |
| 19:01.54 | freemangordon | it is in /sys/ afaik |
| 19:01.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sys |
| 19:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | please switch to #neo900 |
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| 19:27.21 | Snafu777 | Hmm |
| 19:27.26 | Snafu777 | freemangordon: No dice |
| 19:27.35 | Snafu777 | Xlib: connection to "10.134.52.10:0.0" refused by server |
| 19:27.35 | Snafu777 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 19:28.28 | Snafu777 | I've got xming up and running on :0.0 on my windows box |
| 19:28.39 | Snafu777 | I enabled x11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:29.32 | freemangordon | Snafu777: you need to start terminal on your x.x.x.x:1 X and do " xhost $IP_OF_N900" |
| 19:30.26 | Snafu777 | So the fact that the binary xhost doesn't exist on the n900 is not a factor? |
| 19:30.39 | freemangordon | you need to do that on the sever side |
| 19:30.50 | freemangordon | to allow connections from n900 "client" |
| 19:31.18 | Snafu777 | Ok let me ask a stupid question |
| 19:31.26 | Snafu777 | I changed the window to :1.0 |
| 19:31.35 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:~# export DISPLAY=10.134.52.10:1 |
| 19:31.35 | Snafu777 | Nokia-N900:~# opera |
| 19:31.36 | freemangordon | for example "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" |
| 19:31.36 | Snafu777 | Xlib: connection to "10.134.52.10:1.0" refused by server |
| 19:32.08 | freemangordon | yes, that is why you need to "authorize" n900's IP on your laptop |
| 19:32.23 | freemangordon | by using xhost on laptop |
| 19:32.39 | Snafu777 | Ok, so there we go, I'm rocking a windows 7 box and i installed xming |
| 19:32.49 | Snafu777 | I definately don't have xhost installed, unless xming has that capability |
| 19:33.05 | freemangordon | then tell xming to accept connections from everywhere |
| 19:33.18 | Snafu777 | 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:33.21 | Snafu777 | right? |
| 19:34.15 | Snafu777 | Hmm, I'm thinking symantec is to blame now.... |
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| 19:34.46 | freemangordon | Snafu777: C:\Program Files\xming\X0.hosts |
| 19:35.00 | freemangordon | add IP of N900 there |
| 19:36.10 | Snafu777 | k, working on it, stupid permissions, and no sudo, stupid windows => |
| 19:36.51 | freemangordon | Some time ago I did a similar thing, but I used cygwin, which apparently has xhost :) |
| 19:37.03 | Snafu777 | yeah, i have cygwin, ssh just isnt installed |
| 19:37.10 | freemangordon | you don;t need ssh |
| 19:37.11 | Snafu777 | and i tether, so downloading ssh client would be a pain |
| 19:37.13 | Snafu777 | i know |
| 19:37.18 | freemangordon | this is plain X |
| 19:37.31 | Snafu777 | im just stating that yes I too have cygwin, and i wish i had ssh on it instead of going through putty in addition to xming |
| 19:37.38 | freemangordon | also, make sure port 600n is opened, where n is your X display number |
| 19:37.53 | Snafu777 | firewall right? |
| 19:38.01 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:38.05 | Snafu777 | haha, no control on that |
| 19:38.09 | Snafu777 | here's hoping they don't care |
| 19:38.14 | Snafu777 | I can play with my linux box at home tonight |
| 19:38.21 | Snafu777 | this was just an experiment to see if i could do it |
| 19:38.30 | freemangordon | you may try with reverse ssh tunnel ;) |
| 19:38.41 | Snafu777 | yeah, i'm going to |
| 19:38.51 | Snafu777 | im familiar with that, just never with xming on windows |
| 19:38.59 | freemangordon | just use cygwin |
| 19:39.24 | freemangordon | edit startx.bat to to start xterm |
| 19:39.49 | freemangordon | then do "xhost ..." and you're good to go |
| 19:40.06 | freemangordon | don't start window manager |
| 19:40.16 | Snafu777 | yeah, too much trouble for windows right now. I'll nail it with linux, make sure it works and i understand the concept, THEN i will work on porting to windows =) |
| 19:40.31 | freemangordon | makes sense |
| 19:40.50 | Snafu777 | I'm pretty sure symantec is in the way, and without a way to verify, im wasting time and breath |
| 19:41.54 | freemangordon | yeah, if you can't open port 6000, there is no point in trying |
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| 19:42.37 | Snafu777 | yep, thank u for the help though |
| 19:42.41 | Snafu777 | I've logged the notes for use tonight |
| 19:43.09 | Snafu777 | I just figure instead of pure shell on ssh, using the lxde via debian chroot will make for a cool concept for my little pocket computer |
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| 19:49.46 | Snafu777 | Finish Him!: http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20140630-102713-5262 |
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| 19:53.21 | Sicelo | gawd! |
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| 20:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | man bites dog, err... |
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| 20:32.18 | bencoh | oO |
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| 20:54.55 | b1101 | what's the best pdf reader on n900. Evince ? |
| 20:56.22 | Sicelo | i use both. Evince seems slow when the pdf contains lots of pictures (seems to want to load as many into RAM or sth. like that) |
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| 21:45.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | am I right that we got 7 candidates for council? |
| 21:46.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | communology is a surprising science |
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| 21:48.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, if somebody feels like running for councilor, you got a few more minutes to post your self-nomination to maemo-community ML |
| 21:48.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
| 21:50.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | and if not, then leaving council had to decide how to go on, and that would result in "you got a few more minutes" anyway |
| 21:50.57 | rZr | /exec date -u |
| 21:51.36 | rZr | DocScrutinizer05, I should have wait last minute |
| 21:51.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | so if you feel like running for council since you have something to give, don"t be shy |
| 21:52.18 | rZr | i already accepted my nomination |
| 21:52.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | rZr: I think you're a great candidate |
| 21:52.29 | rZr | since we were out of applicants |
| 21:52.48 | rZr | DocScrutinizer05, thx .. but I am unsure I will be as involved as I was |
| 21:53.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | you definitely have the needed dedication |
| 21:53.39 | rZr | we'll see |
| 21:54.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | you cant perform worse than me or even chemist during rcent term |
| 21:54.36 | rZr | you're still on irc :) |
| 21:54.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | I always been |
| 21:55.06 | rZr | the gitorious migration is a task for next council right ? |
| 21:56.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | if next council wants to pick up that task, then prolly yes |
| 21:56.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno how much migration is needed |
| 21:57.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | are you talking bout maemo.gitorious.org? |
| 21:57.39 | rZr | yes |
| 21:57.54 | rZr | probably meego will follow too |
| 21:58.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | will simply migrate from maemo.gitorious.org to gitorius.org/maemo |
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| 21:59.35 | rZr | ok not that hard |
| 21:59.53 | rZr | we also backuped garage once to gitorious |
| 22:00.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | no more theming and skins, but then who needs that? |
| 22:01.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | xes recently mirrored all gitorious sruff marmo related to our own servers |
| 22:02.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | so no worries about gitorious aiui |
| 22:04.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | next council's main duty will be to stay alive and in control while HiFo (our cashier) will transform into a german e.V |
| 22:05.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~dong |
| 22:05.27 | infobot | ding |
| 22:08.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus there's still a huge heap of junk in maemo infra, karma borked, all sorts of cronjobs disabled and dysfunct if enabled. Next council needs to think about *what* to do regarding that, while techstaff might take responsibility on the *how* |
| 22:10.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | generally we're terribly short of manpower in techstaff, will need sustained efforts of council to recruit more maintainers |
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| 22:14.07 | Humpelstilzchen | is the maemo infrastructure that complicated? |
| 22:15.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh yes! |
| 22:16.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | we have around a dozen VMs |
| 22:17.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | and currently for example NO maintainer or simply mod for the MLs |
| 22:18.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | xes recovered the password a few days ago |
| 22:18.06 | Humpelstilzchen | lol |
| 22:18.10 | bencoh | :] |
| 22:18.28 | bencoh | well at least it's still up&running |
| 22:18.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, all silently bitrotting |
| 22:18.54 | bencoh | I guess we have specific stuff and home-crafted scripts there ? |
| 22:18.56 | bencoh | aww :( |
| 22:19.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 22:19.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | lots of customizations |
| 22:19.38 | Humpelstilzchen | why was the password lost? Did someone forget it or was it stored at nokia hq? |
| 22:19.48 | bencoh | even for the buildbot ? |
| 22:19.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | in wiki, auth, karma, whatnot |
| 22:20.22 | Humpelstilzchen | are the mods even necessary |
| 22:20.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | that been xfade (iirc) who gone pooof a 2 yers ago |
| 22:20.38 | Humpelstilzchen | I personally never cared about something like karma |
| 22:20.44 | rZr | do you use obs ? |
| 22:20.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 22:21.05 | rZr | ok that was at bottom of todo list ? :) |
| 22:21.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | cauldron and midgard |
| 22:21.29 | bencoh | ohmyplease no obs :D |
| 22:21.42 | rZr | bencoh, then dont vote for me :) |
| 22:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | midgard-ONE |
| 22:22.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | "d not even nemein, inventor of midgard, dared to migrate to midgard2 |
| 22:22.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | abd* |
| 22:22.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 22:22.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | and* |
| 22:23.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | (dare) thabks to all the customized stuff |
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| 22:29.55 | bencoh | rZr: ohwell I'm no one to tell since I'm not helping :) |
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| 22:52.16 | Sicelo | freemangordon: hope you remeber the x-server & easy-deb thing you were discussing with Snafu777. I' have tried 'everything' on my debian pc .. no luck. i'm on a lan, no ports closed at all. |
| 22:53.30 | Sicelo | in EasyDeb chroot, all i get is "No protocol specified. error: can't open display: 192.168.1.100:1" |
| 22:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I'm definitely not capableto find the most recent timetable/schedule for the elections. I end somewhere at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_May_2014#Election_timetable |
| 22:58.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hands out pitchforks and base clubs |
| 22:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | *please* beat me, I must have a mental defect |
| 23:01.08 | honestly | DocScrutinizer05: for still volunteering as a steward to the maemo community? |
| 23:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 23:01.23 | honestly | definitely a mental defect. |
| 23:01.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | <-- jackass |
| 23:02.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | stupid ^^^ up there |
| 23:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I still hope for schedule declaring me late and ruling out |
| 23:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe I will even lose the elections, with some 7 competitors |
| 23:04.01 | honestly | you can always claim you're temporarily insane today because germany won the match versus algeria |
| 23:04.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I dunno who would vote for me, when I declare I have <30min per week for council |
| 23:04.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | that must have been it, right ;-.D |
| 23:05.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | rZr tricked me into volunteering ;-P |
| 23:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and I forgot: I got commercial interest in maemo. Maybe that disqualifies me?? pleeeease! |
| 23:08.37 | honestly | you're planning to get rich with neo900? ^^ |
| 23:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure |
| 23:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | sell millions of devices and become a billionaire |
| 23:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | we already have >100 preorders ;-) |
| 23:10.45 | honestly | just make it fully android compatible >_> |
| 23:10.59 | honestly | I would preorder in a second if I could justify the expense :F |
| 23:11.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? it is! |
| 23:11.09 | honestly | really? |
| 23:11.19 | honestly | all of the hardware? |
| 23:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, why would it be incompatible to android?? |
| 23:11.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're even considering to ship it with replicant |
| 23:11.55 | honestly | well, the n900 isn't really android-compatible |
| 23:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr? |
| 23:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | too many buttons? |
| 23:12.26 | honestly | I thought that would transfer to the neo900 :D |
| 23:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | too little tivoization? |
| 23:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sorry, N900 ! rrrright, that's a bit of a problem maybe, because N900 doesn't know multitouch |
| 23:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900, on the other hand.... |
| 23:13.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 23:14.02 | honestly | I thought not all the drivers and firmware works with android |
| 23:14.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm, I honestly dunno |
| 23:14.26 | honestly | I played around with android on my n900 a little bit |
| 23:14.30 | honestly | didn't get very far |
| 23:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | never touched android - literally (when my GF's phone doesn't count) |
| 23:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.replicant.us/2014/06/replicant-4-2-on-the-goldelico-gta04/ |
| 23:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/#news µBlog |
| 23:16.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually https://www.replicant.us/2014/06/replicant-4-2-on-the-goldelico-gta04/comment-page-1/#comment-1948791 |
| 23:16.29 | honestly | I have a samsung galaxy S2 that I just carry everywhere in my backpack |
| 23:16.31 | honestly | I never use it |
| 23:16.46 | honestly | it's for a university project and I'm the person assigned to making sure it doesn't get lost or stolen ^^ |
| 23:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh my |
| 23:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 23:17.53 | honestly | neo900 is based on gta04? |
| 23:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, it's a synthesis, a chimera |
| 23:19.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | of GTA04, N900, and the ancestors of both: beagleboard and TI Zoom-II |
| 23:19.33 | honestly | hehe |
| 23:19.51 | honestly | cool (: |
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| 23:25.59 | honestly | notes down goldelico as a place to apply to once I'm done with my degree |
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| 23:35.56 | xes | chem|st: since a few days i can see a slow down of talk.maemo.org pages since the page loading hangs waiting pixel.quantserve.com scripts. Could you make a check? |
| 23:39.58 | chem|st | xes: again? darn plugins 500 people request and noone ever uses, guess that is also part of tapatalk... will have a look 2morrow |
| 23:40.50 | xes | chem|st: thanks |
| 23:41.14 | chem|st | xes: I need to upgrade the forums the next days, when is a good time to catch you for snapshotting? |
| 23:42.01 | chem|st | I'd like to do it more or less live, only a few minutes downtime on the frontend if possible |
| 23:42.34 | xes | do you need a snapshot of the complete vm? |
| 23:43.21 | xes | is this |
| 23:43.39 | xes | a critical update? |
| 23:46.31 | xes | anyway, complete vm snapshot something more than just a few minutes |
| 23:46.54 | xes | *requires |
| 23:48.22 | chem|st | xes: it is not that huge, is it? few minutes might be >15 |
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| 23:49.54 | chem|st | if nobody applied the security patches I uploaded then there is security patches and more security patches and an update |
| 23:51.02 | chem|st | I guess as we have all things backed up a quick db backup triggered should be enough (can I trigger that from the backend myself? never checked, warfare's domain right?) |
| 23:51.38 | chem|st | snapshot would just save alot of time if something goes south |
| 23:52.03 | chem|st | gtg to bed, read you 2morrow |
| 23:52.09 | xes | vm is not so big, probably a complete snapshot would require ~10 minutes. |
| 23:52.29 | chem|st | thats fine |
| 23:52.36 | chem|st | bbb |
| 23:52.54 | xes | good night |