| 00:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | collateral effect of server problems and netsplits |
| 00:19.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen exactly same with Konversation when trying to log in to a server that's suffering overload |
| 00:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | IP packets queue up in a router or Turing knows where, then eventually rush in to server like a hysteric mob, and server says "bye bye! that's too much per time unit" |
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| 00:24.37 | nox- | stupid kids packeting... |
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| 00:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: reference? |
| 00:48.43 | nox- | i just mean freenode splits are usually caused by ddos'ing kids |
| 00:48.57 | nox- | or can be |
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| 01:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, yup |
| 01:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | either kids or infantile stupid grown ups |
| 01:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | who have a weird deficit to compensate |
| 01:17.35 | nox- | *nod* |
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| 09:24.32 | DarkFox | Hello world, anyone here know of any good mirrors for the flasher and images? |
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| 09:25.24 | DarkFox | recently got another N900 for $35, and the 32-bit laptop I originally used for flashing my first (other) N900 is not in a functional state (If it even still has the files on it). |
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| 09:31.37 | DarkFox | good/authentic |
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| 09:35.31 | drathir | hi there... |
| 09:35.37 | drathir | ?flash |
| 09:35.45 | drathir | ~flash |
| 09:35.46 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 09:36.15 | drathir | ~flasher |
| 09:36.15 | infobot | i guess flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 09:36.52 | drathir | ~firmware |
| 09:36.52 | infobot | i guess firmware is please see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher |
| 09:37.08 | drathir | ~combined |
| 09:37.09 | infobot | i guess combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 09:37.21 | drathir | ~emmc |
| 09:37.22 | infobot | methinks emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 09:37.32 | drathir | DarkFox: have fun ^^ |
| 09:37.47 | DarkFox | drathir: Hai :3 |
| 09:38.02 | DarkFox | drathir: Channel jump \o/ |
| 09:38.16 | DarkFox | Looks good to me. |
| 09:38.19 | DarkFox | Magnet link :3 |
| 09:38.23 | drathir | DarkFox: little noisy but propably all things what You needed... |
| 09:38.32 | DarkFox | drathir: Hopefully :D |
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| 09:39.02 | DarkFox | drathir: Only magnet link for the one ? |
| 09:40.01 | DarkFox | http://galif.eu/nokia/N900/ |
| 09:40.03 | DarkFox | That should do |
| 09:40.07 | DarkFox | rtorrent doesn't like me today. :P |
| 09:40.41 | DarkFox | drathir: Happen to know if there are any 64-bit builds for the flasher? |
| 09:40.48 | drathir | looks like Yes, thats one should be fine but You can wait to confirm with fresh info fro DocScrutinizer05... |
| 09:41.12 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer51: Hello :) |
| 09:41.32 | drathir | DarkFox: better for me is deluge... btw |
| 09:41.50 | DarkFox | drathir: Deluge? |
| 09:42.09 | drathir | DarkFox: torrent client #deluge |
| 09:42.38 | DarkFox | notes his first N900's USB port broke out, but the original owner of the device butchered the screws - so workaround = charge N900 battery inside Nokia N95. o/ |
| 09:42.46 | DarkFox | drathir: Ah, I shall check that one out |
| 09:43.08 | DarkFox | drathir: Thanks, cli or gui? |
| 09:44.02 | drathir | DarkFox: mine also wait for a fix but think wait to prices neo900 |
| 09:44.08 | DarkFox | Both as it seems |
| 09:44.22 | DarkFox | What about prices for neo900? |
| 09:44.37 | drathir | DarkFox: cli+console gui |
| 09:44.45 | DarkFox | Indeed |
| 09:44.46 | DarkFox | + web |
| 09:44.50 | drathir | y' |
| 09:45.33 | DarkFox | Neo900 a clone or original + updated firmware? |
| 09:45.57 | drathir | if neo900 will available im more prefer buy new n900 and broken one replace to neo900 |
| 09:46.07 | DarkFox | "N900, with a faster CPU, more RAM" |
| 09:46.08 | DarkFox | Nice |
| 09:46.52 | DarkFox | How different is the neo900 compared to n900? |
| 09:47.31 | drathir | a huge difff... |
| 09:47.37 | DarkFox | Nvm - http://neo900.org/specs |
| 09:47.38 | DarkFox | :D |
| 09:47.48 | DarkFox | 600Mhz -> 1Ghz |
| 09:47.59 | DarkFox | Looks good at the first row of the comparasion table :D |
| 09:48.13 | drathir | new mobo cpu,ram, modem, gps, battery hotswap |
| 09:48.52 | drathir | and foss compilant |
| 09:50.46 | DarkFox | <3 |
| 09:51.05 | DarkFox | Still.... N900 for $35, still not bad and would like to get it unlocked. :P - Pin code = unknown. :D |
| 09:52.01 | DarkFox | High power Consumer IR (with learning) and IrDA |
| 09:52.02 | DarkFox | Omg |
| 09:52.14 | DarkFox | What a way to keep the IR, upgrade it! \o/ |
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| 09:54.34 | drathir | reflash full not sure but maybe could help... need to ask here too... |
| 09:55.10 | drathir | neo900 also should suport more os... |
| 09:56.14 | drathir | no neo900 is mostly dev phone that kind of irda is highly needed... |
| 09:56.52 | drathir | i dont even say about owning tv reciver control of channels ^^ |
| 09:57.52 | drathir | phone always close tv channel switcher not always... |
| 10:10.08 | Ashley` | "screws - so workaround = charge N900 battery inside Nokia N95. \o/ " |
| 10:10.19 | Ashley` | N95 uses the same battery as N900? |
| 10:10.30 | Ashley` | nope. |
| 10:11.08 | Ashley` | DarkFox: how do you do that? |
| 10:11.20 | Ashley` | i've n95 8gb and n900 with broken usb |
| 10:11.42 | Ashley` | can i use my n95 8gb? |
| 10:20.59 | DarkFox | Ashley`: Just have the battery overhang |
| 10:21.10 | Ashley` | oh. |
| 10:21.12 | Ashley` | hm |
| 10:21.19 | DarkFox | Ashley`: It fits and connects; the camera part that hangs out to the battery part doesn't cause any pain; but it fits fine. |
| 10:21.20 | Ashley` | gonna try it when i'll come back home |
| 10:21.54 | DarkFox | I'll send you some pics |
| 10:21.59 | DarkFox | Ashley`: It doesn't fully charge however |
| 10:22.10 | DarkFox | It only charges to what the N95 knows the battery should charge to |
| 10:22.15 | DarkFox | Which iirc is ~75% |
| 10:23.22 | Ashley` | better than nothing |
| 10:23.36 | DarkFox | Indeed |
| 10:23.47 | DarkFox | Got a charger from HK, came with 2 batteries |
| 10:23.50 | DarkFox | The batteries were fine |
| 10:23.55 | DarkFox | The charger shorted after 2 uses |
| 10:25.32 | DarkFox | Ashley`: From my xperia's phone - http://darkfox.id.au/DSC_0004.jpg http://darkfox.id.au/DSC_0006.jpg |
| 10:25.38 | DarkFox | Second pic still uploading (slowly) |
| 10:26.32 | DarkFox | LAG |
| 10:26.40 | DarkFox | Ashley`: Both pics should be uploaded fine |
| 10:27.26 | DarkFox | Yes the back on the N95 is broken too. :P |
| 10:27.29 | DarkFox | TAPE! |
| 10:28.23 | Ashley` | http://technascent.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/battery.jpg n95 8gb dont have that hanging out camera part :P |
| 10:28.45 | DarkFox | Oh |
| 10:28.55 | DarkFox | Clearly different model :P |
| 10:29.00 | Ashley` | and i've read on the internets that standard n95 battery fits in n95 8gb, so n900 battery should work too :P |
| 10:29.07 | DarkFox | 5f |
| 10:29.11 | DarkFox | I have BL-5F |
| 10:29.15 | Ashley` | i know |
| 10:29.22 | DarkFox | But my BL-5J (n900) fits just the same |
| 10:29.35 | DarkFox | Ashley`: I hope your F6 fits :) |
| 10:29.39 | Ashley` | people use bl-6f in n95 and bl-5f in n95 8gb (According to random forums :P) |
| 10:29.40 | DarkFox | 6F * |
| 10:31.56 | DarkFox | Ashley`: They different dimentions? |
| 10:32.41 | DarkFox | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Symbian-Devices/N95-Battery-question-BL-5F-and-BL-6F-size/td-p/186015 |
| 10:33.23 | DarkFox | Ashley`: Looks like the 6F is just thicker |
| 10:33.23 | Ashley` | yes |
| 10:33.30 | DarkFox | While it should still fit the 5J |
| 10:34.01 | DarkFox | As long as it's not wider, you're fine. |
| 10:35.04 | Ashley` | i'm not in home until friday ;< |
| 10:35.43 | DarkFox | :P |
| 10:35.45 | DarkFox | Have fun |
| 10:36.27 | DarkFox | Ashley`: The hack is useful :P |
| 10:36.41 | DarkFox | used to have 3 fully charged N900 batteries per day |
| 10:36.48 | DarkFox | Erm |
| 10:36.57 | DarkFox | "Fully charged" - N95 |
| 10:37.53 | Ashley` | i've two bl-5j |
| 10:38.09 | DarkFox | drathir: "RFID-EEPROM" |
| 10:38.13 | DarkFox | drathir: RFID reader? |
| 10:38.14 | Ashley` | so i can charge the second one while using first one, great :D |
| 10:38.20 | DarkFox | drathir: NFC ? |
| 10:38.50 | DarkFox | Ashley`: If you have multiple... Yes :P |
| 10:38.58 | DarkFox | No reason why not :P |
| 10:39.03 | DarkFox | N95 decommissioned long time ago |
| 10:39.20 | DarkFox | But still nice to use as LOUD N900 battery charger/music player. ;) |
| 10:42.09 | Ashley` | my n95 has broken... uh... that thing that connects things to screen |
| 10:42.20 | Ashley` | (n95 8gb, of course) |
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| 10:42.43 | Ashley` | aaand broken speakers |
| 10:42.59 | Ashley` | but it can serve music over dlna! |
| 10:43.33 | DarkFox | :P |
| 10:43.43 | DarkFox | Ashley`: "That thing that connects things to screen" |
| 10:43.47 | DarkFox | Ashley`: You mean the rails? |
| 10:44.06 | DarkFox | Slide-factor :P |
| 10:44.10 | Ashley` | yup |
| 10:44.19 | Ashley` | i didnt know how it is called in english :P |
| 10:49.20 | DarkFox | Ashley`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ta7Mh9a_y8 |
| 10:49.21 | DarkFox | :P |
| 10:49.56 | DarkFox | Title... Had to click it! :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwLHdBTQ7s |
| 10:51.38 | DarkFox | hehe |
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| 11:06.36 | drathir | Ashley`: nokia c3 the same battery that n900 have... |
| 11:07.13 | Ashley` | i know |
| 11:07.39 | Ashley` | i bought that battery for 5PLN from my friend who've had C3-00 |
| 11:08.52 | drathir | e51 also able to charge some n900 battery... |
| 11:10.09 | drathir | DarkFox: bluetoothnew and probably fm reciver and sender i guess |
| 11:12.08 | Ashley` | my e51 is lost :< |
| 11:12.47 | Ashley` | drathir: szłam sobie kiedyśdo kolegi i mi wypadła z kieszeni po drodze, i ktoś zdążył zabrać zanim zauważyłam ;_; (sorry for polish, me cant english) |
| 11:13.00 | drathir | ;/ |
| 11:13.13 | drathir | thats sad story... |
| 11:16.39 | drathir | DarkFox: in free translate im not native one too "in path to friend the e51 slip out from the pocket, and until catch im lose someone bring them from the footpath... " |
| 11:17.42 | drathir | DarkFox: im not sure is fully understable... sorry if not... |
| 11:17.45 | Ashley` | few days later that person answered phone, but disconnected immediatly |
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| 11:19.13 | Ashley` | "my e51 slip out from the pocket while i was walking to my frend's place, and someone took it before i even realised that it's lost" <- maybe that's more understandable :v |
| 11:21.08 | drathir | Ashley`: propably should be... |
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| 11:25.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<DarkFox> drathir: Happen to know if there are any 64-bit builds for the flasher?)) nope, no 64bit version of flasher, but the 32bit versions work just fine on usual modern linux distros with 32b-compatibility-support |
| 11:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | what you need to do regularly is blacklisting phoned kernel module |
| 11:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing |
| 11:27.24 | infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:37.21 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks, last time I tried with the multilib on arch, it didn't work. However, 32-bit definatly worked. I shall try out multilib again; maybe tomorrow. |
| 11:39.25 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: I think that wiki page needs to get updated as the nokia mirror is dead. There doesn't look like there is any reference to the alternate. |
| 11:39.31 | DarkFox | > http://galif.eu/nokia/N900/ |
| 11:40.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | we're not referencing to alternatives |
| 11:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | please complain at nokia that they discontinued their support |
| 11:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we have to rethink this policy, now that nokia basically gone poof |
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| 11:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, see |
| 11:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~0xffff |
| 11:43.21 | infobot | methinks 0xffff is https://gitorious.org/0xffff/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 |
| 11:45.53 | DarkFox | Ah |
| 11:45.58 | DarkFox | Forgot about that project |
| 11:46.13 | DarkFox | Or at least plans for it |
| 11:46.38 | DarkFox | Would be fun to use N900 to reflash another N900 :3 |
| 11:47.18 | kerio | i think it's doable if you have a powered usb hub |
| 11:48.41 | DarkFox | kerio: I think it's doable with a custom cable. Micro->Micro |
| 11:48.57 | kerio | the n900 has trouble enumerating usb devices in host mode |
| 11:49.02 | DarkFox | Out of spec standard, but should work. |
| 11:49.23 | kerio | and can only provide 200mA |
| 11:49.23 | DarkFox | https://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/micro-to-micro-otg |
| 11:49.35 | DarkFox | Might be enough :3 |
| 11:49.52 | kerio | it's a software issue |
| 11:49.57 | kerio | er |
| 11:49.58 | kerio | hardware |
| 11:50.25 | DarkFox | It should be enough if the battery is charged |
| 11:50.27 | DarkFox | :) |
| 11:50.51 | kerio | am i writing in another language? |
| 11:51.07 | kerio | the n900 need manual enumeration of usb devices when running in host mode |
| 11:51.54 | kerio | it's going to be near impossible to flash a n900 if you don't have a usb hub in front of it |
| 11:52.11 | DarkFox | :( |
| 11:52.24 | DarkFox | How about the Neo900? :P |
| 11:52.35 | kerio | i think it'll have full usb otg support |
| 11:52.41 | kerio | so it should be much easier there |
| 11:52.54 | DarkFox | Yea |
| 11:53.04 | DarkFox | Swapping over the boards looks doable for myself. |
| 11:53.12 | DarkFox | I could drill out the screws on my older N900 |
| 11:53.24 | drathir | DarkFox: little old but see: |
| 11:53.34 | DarkFox | Replacing board means I won't need to do anything with my broken USB port :P |
| 11:53.49 | drathir | could i put 6 lines there? |
| 11:54.04 | DarkFox | Sure! :P |
| 11:54.10 | DarkFox | Not that many |
| 11:54.36 | drathir | DocScrutinizer05 kerio ? |
| 11:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ?? |
| 11:55.49 | drathir | could i paste 6lines on the channel? |
| 11:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead |
| 11:57.15 | kerio | ascii penis incoming |
| 11:57.22 | DarkFox | Lol |
| 11:57.35 | drathir | pacman -Qi flasher :( |
| 11:57.35 | drathir | Name : flasher |
| 11:57.35 | drathir | Version : 3.5_2.5.2.2-3 |
| 11:57.35 | drathir | Description : Flasher utility for the Nokia N8X0 & N900 |
| 11:57.35 | drathir | Architecture : x86_64 |
| 11:57.37 | drathir | URL : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 11:57.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | "incoming" is the right word here ;-P |
| 11:57.54 | DarkFox | drathir: Nice |
| 11:58.16 | drathir | im can confirm that one sucessfully flashed on arch |
| 11:58.27 | DarkFox | drathir: Pitty you got it from aur, where it needs to get it from tablets-dev :P Sure could be easily edited. :) |
| 11:58.47 | DarkFox | drathir: Nice to see it functioning though :D |
| 11:59.32 | drathir | Y aur if good remember but works lookout about hartman one its bad if good remember... |
| 12:00.03 | DarkFox | bad if good |
| 12:00.11 | DarkFox | I'm pretty sure I know what you mean though :D |
| 12:00.19 | drathir | bad, if good remember* |
| 12:00.55 | DarkFox | Bad, if I recall correctly * |
| 12:01.00 | DarkFox | Or short... bad, iirc. |
| 12:01.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, drathir's 2if good remember" is quite unique wording ;-) |
| 12:02.07 | DarkFox | 2if? o_0 |
| 12:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
| 12:02.28 | drathir | im dont sure if correct remember, but some my minds say me hartman (even if more latest version) is bad one for n900... |
| 12:03.04 | DarkFox | drathir: Not even dvorak typo.... |
| 12:03.07 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: ** |
| 12:03.12 | DarkFox | Sorry drathir, wrong person :P |
| 12:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | "... bad if good, remember!" ;-P |
| 12:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | DarkFox: eh? |
| 12:03.54 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: 2 vs " |
| 12:04.04 | drathir | bad if worser, good if better ^^ |
| 12:04.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | please check WERTZU layout (German) |
| 12:04.25 | DarkFox | Oh |
| 12:04.36 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: THat is dvorak :P |
| 12:04.40 | DarkFox | My bad |
| 12:05.13 | DarkFox | Or similar? |
| 12:06.18 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: I suggest not searching WERTZU in ixquick's image search... Not even safe for work... |
| 12:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, seem "WERT ZU" is really obsolete ancient term, nowadays "qwertz" |
| 12:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.google.com/search?q=qwertz+keyboard+layout |
| 12:07.20 | DarkFox | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/KB_Polish_QWERTZ_PN87_commons.svg |
| 12:07.23 | DarkFox | :P |
| 12:07.32 | DarkFox | 2 vs " looks like a shift :P |
| 12:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.google.com/images?q=wertzu+keyboard+layout |
| 12:08.08 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: Don't just search for wertzu :P |
| 12:08.38 | DarkFox | Didn't check google's results, but ixquick had some unexpected images. |
| 12:09.02 | DarkFox | DocScrutinizer05: Looks like a fun keyboard layout |
| 12:09.18 | DarkFox | sticks with qwerty for now. And oneday... Switch to colemak again :P |
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| 14:03.58 | Sicelo | when you choose a point in Maps application, how would you find out the corresponding GPS coordinates? |
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| 14:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question |
| 14:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 14:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly there exists a dbus method |
| 14:51.00 | Sicelo | i treid to look. then again, not good with dbus things |
| 14:51.05 | Sicelo | *tried |
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| 16:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it's even discoverable (prolly missing introspection on Nokia's map app blob) and prolly also not publicly specified when it exists at all. I however think the map *widget* *must* have a way to return geolocation data of the "POI" the user marked, to the invoking process |
| 16:53.00 | Sicelo | fires up the location widget for the first time ever |
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| 17:01.59 | Sicelo | heh, i don't understand what the widget does |
| 17:04.21 | Sicelo | i see red dots, etc.. Maps application has properly locked on my position, but the widget is showing me its own stuff |
| 17:07.55 | honestly | can I take off the secondary board (the one that goes around the camera lens) from the n900 nondestructively? it seems to be glued on. |
| 17:08.44 | Sicelo | USB problem? yes. just be careful with the flex of course |
| 17:09.29 | honestly | okay |
| 17:09.33 | honestly | yeah, very weird usb problem. |
| 17:09.48 | honestly | just intermittent connection issues. |
| 17:10.01 | honestly | usb connection only works if I push down on the plug |
| 17:10.30 | honestly | "down" from the perspective of the phone lying flat on a table |
| 17:11.12 | Sicelo | known issue :) |
| 17:11.25 | honestly | is there a known fix too? |
| 17:11.30 | Sicelo | ~usb-fix |
| 17:11.31 | infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, you will basically need two irons: a small good one and a 60+ Watt |
| 17:11.43 | honestly | meh, I don't see how that'll fix it :/ |
| 17:11.49 | Sicelo | huh? |
| 17:11.57 | honestly | the usb connector casing is rock-solid on the board |
| 17:12.32 | Sicelo | do solder it down, ... it will come out one day.. |
| 17:12.39 | honestly | sure |
| 17:12.51 | honestly | but how will that fix the intermittent connection issue? |
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| 17:13.09 | Sicelo | but maybe you have the problem i have, that is, the inside of the port is also borked.. therefore will have to replace the whole port |
| 17:13.15 | honestly | ugh |
| 17:13.19 | honestly | I was afraid of that |
| 17:13.34 | eth0_ | Hi all, anyone have a link in order to flash n900 ? |
| 17:13.38 | eth0_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php is broken |
| 17:14.00 | Sicelo | i haven't fixed that on mine yet. i can still charge with the adapter for the barrel connector chargers |
| 17:14.10 | honestly | ~rom |
| 17:14.10 | infobot | rom is probably Read Only Memory |
| 17:14.13 | honestly | ugh |
| 17:14.20 | honestly | paging DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:14.26 | honestly | I don't know what the right factoid is |
| 17:14.31 | honestly | ~flash |
| 17:14.31 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:14.36 | honestly | ~flasher |
| 17:14.37 | infobot | i heard flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 17:15.44 | honestly | how do I take off the secondary board without breaking it? |
| 17:16.29 | Sicelo | just pull it up carefully |
| 17:16.47 | Sicelo | stuck on with some double-sided tape thing |
| 17:17.03 | eth0_ | ty honestly :) |
| 17:17.19 | eth0_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware ← link isn't updated |
| 17:17.23 | honestly | eth0_: if you need the images, give me a second, I'm uploading them |
| 17:17.40 | honestly | well, more like 40 minutes |
| 17:17.42 | honestly | my uplink isn';t the best |
| 17:17.50 | eth0_ | i've installed the flasher-harmattan |
| 17:17.58 | honestly | ~rescueOS |
| 17:17.58 | infobot | somebody said rescueos was http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 17:19.15 | honestly | eth0_: clone this repo: https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS |
| 17:19.49 | honestly | and you need flasher-3.5 |
| 17:20.04 | eth0_ | My N900 show nokia logo and reboot then |
| 17:20.06 | honestly | and the images |
| 17:20.33 | honestly | eth0_: well, what did you do to it? |
| 17:21.03 | eth0_ | shutdown during upgrade … |
| 17:21.07 | eth0_ | no more batteryu |
| 17:21.19 | honestly | ah |
| 17:22.03 | Sicelo | don't flash your N900 when you are low on battery. |
| 17:22.34 | honestly | eth0_: did you manage to charge the battery? |
| 17:22.43 | eth0_ | It was an aptitude upgrade ;) |
| 17:23.30 | honestly | read all of this: https://github.com/NIN101/N900_RescueOS/blob/master/documentation.txt |
| 17:24.53 | eth0_ | ok thanks you honestly , i'm gonna try this tomorrow |
| 17:25.25 | honestly | eth0_: save this link - http://europa.lerlacher.de/ |
| 17:25.37 | honestly | the n900 flash images will be there in a bit |
| 17:25.45 | eth0_ | ok ty |
| 17:26.03 | honestly | (don't download the image that's there now, it's not done uploading) |
| 17:28.44 | honestly | Sicelo: you lied to me ): those glue strips aren't reusable |
| 17:30.06 | Sicelo | hehe. i don't remember saying they are :D |
| 17:32.26 | honestly | I asked if it's possible to remove the board nondestructively :P |
| 17:32.36 | honestly | I guess we might have different definitions of "nondestructive" |
| 17:33.33 | Sicelo | maybe irssi is a bad IRC client .. lol, it only shows you said this: |
| 17:33.37 | Sicelo | 17:15 < honestly> how do I take off the secondary board without breaking it? |
| 17:34.01 | Sicelo | and i'm 100% sure your secondary board is not broken now :) |
| 17:34.19 | honestly | 19:07:55 < honestly> can I take off the secondary board (the one that goes around the camera lens) from the n900 nondestructively? it seems to be glued on. |
| 17:34.22 | honestly | :P |
| 17:34.25 | honestly | yeah |
| 17:35.39 | Sicelo | fwiw, my secondary board is still stuck with the original glue strips (after i soldered my USB on) |
| 17:35.44 | honestly | out of curiosity, is the antenna socket on the main board for wifi or GPS? |
| 17:36.14 | honestly | if anyone knows... |
| 17:37.01 | Sicelo | check the Hardware page on Wiki |
| 17:48.18 | honestly | ~usbfix |
| 17:48.18 | infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2862BF3631A5C1AA&feature=player_detailpage&v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1861, you will basically need two irons: a small good one and a 60+ Watt |
| 18:08.56 | honestly | whelp, ordered micro-usb parts |
| 18:09.13 | honestly | only question is do I want to try anything now |
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| 18:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | /topic |
| 18:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | FTW |
| 18:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | also |
| 18:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~litskeys flash |
| 18:35.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys flash |
| 18:36.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo flash |
| 18:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys #maemo |
| 18:37.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher |
| 18:37.06 | infobot | hmm... flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 18:37.48 | honestly | how the hell do I get at the inner pads of the usb connector with a soldering iron? |
| 18:38.51 | honestly | I think the answer is "you don't" |
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| 18:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 18:50.48 | honestly | well crap |
| 18:51.20 | honestly | so no way to replace usb connector without soldering paste and heat gun? |
| 18:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you get a different USB receptacle, or cut off the steel "roof" of the original one (don't make this "re-use the original broken USB"!) |
| 18:52.15 | honestly | I ordered this, was linked in one of the threads: http://www.dx.com/de/p/diy-micro-usb-5-pin-female-smt-socket-connector-silver-20-piece-pack-134132#.U68CoaYvBhE |
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| 18:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, looks feasible, though honestly probably hot air is easier |
| 18:58.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you do the special hack and use 5mm thin wires you solder to the PCB first, then to the USB, then carefulle bend then all back and fold then up while pushing in USB into place, so that the wire loops go up and down in parallel to each other. Then solder down the mech posts of USB |
| 18:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I say "thin" I mean *really* thin stuff |
| 18:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no plastic isolation, only varnish |
| 19:00.38 | honestly | mmm |
| 19:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0.10mm dia |
| 19:00.57 | honestly | wire for winding coils |
| 19:01.10 | sixwheeledbeast | Have you tried heating the uUSB up with an iron, it may just reflow the connections. WFM |
| 19:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | or even 0.05mm |
| 19:01.36 | honestly | there is no metal connection between the receptacle and the inner pads |
| 19:01.44 | honestly | so I don't see how that should work o.O |
| 19:02.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: highly unlkely. the plasic holding the contacts won't conduct the heat sufficently from the steel you heat up |
| 19:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | or what honestly said |
| 19:02.38 | sixwheeledbeast | Well I had a similar issue that was fixed this way. |
| 19:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | extreme luck |
| 19:02.59 | honestly | weird. |
| 19:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not *fixed* but chased away the symtomps |
| 19:03.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | symptoms |
| 19:03.31 | sixwheeledbeast | Well it saved removing the uUSB which I was dreading. |
| 19:04.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, removing is pretty demanding task, atz least when you don't wanna break it |
| 19:05.32 | sixwheeledbeast | Also I imagine the pads and tracks are very fine and easy to damage. |
| 19:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 19:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's part of the reason why removing it is demanding |
| 19:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually should get done with hot air only |
| 19:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | SMT isn't for hobbyists |
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| 19:07.31 | honestly | I will do it with hot air |
| 19:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it needs a bit of experience, and particularly it needs good tools and material |
| 19:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for making it easy for you: there's nothing but the camera module in close vicinity that you accidentally could overheat |
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| 19:17.14 | honestly | it seems that by futzing with the whole thing for a bit, I've also managed to chase away the symptoms |
| 19:17.26 | honestly | hooray for voodoo repair. |
| 19:17.49 | honestly | I once repaired a completely bonkers PC mouse just by putting it into a box for half a year. |
| 19:18.24 | honestly | 3 years later, it's still working today. |
| 19:20.42 | honestly | Sicelo: I applied some force to the inner connector to bend it a little bit upwards. by all rights, that should do nothing, since the connectors are embedded into the flexible plastic. But I guess it worked. |
| 19:21.12 | honestly | maybe there's a broken connection there that I managed to bend back into making proper contact. |
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| 19:23.32 | honestly | DocScrutinizer05: for anyone in the near future looking for maemo images, I'm hosting them here for now: http://europa.lerlacher.de/ |
| 19:27.49 | sixwheeledbeast | mhm ... how dare someone delete my wiki page :) |
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| 19:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~combined |
| 19:50.09 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 19:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~emmc |
| 19:50.16 | infobot | from memory, emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4105928/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.torrent, or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/5/--FID--A0A22YHFSICNA/--LID--FiRe1275051276916/AE98ED9D_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.CENTRAL-EUROPE_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but thanks |
| 19:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher |
| 19:51.31 | infobot | well, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
| 20:16.49 | Sicelo | you're honestly lucky ;) |
| 20:17.12 | Sicelo | nothing has helped mine .. it must be replace some day |
| 20:17.30 | Sicelo | however, some usb cables seem to work fine on it, but not all |
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| 20:44.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | then most likely the contacts are bent or dirty |
| 20:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seen one defect plug ruin a 5 receptacles of 5 devices we used to try and test what's the broken part in our equipment, in a mere 10 minutes |
| 20:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | every now and then you can find a *really* nasty plug, where e.g. one contact blade got pushed back and folded up |
| 20:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course that damaged contact in turn damages all receptacles' contacts that you plug the plug in |
| 20:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's like a contagious desease |
| 20:48.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | disease* |
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| 20:54.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of my USB chargers had no D+- short. I tried a hack and placed an Alu patch over the middle 2 contacts of a plug, to short D+-, then plugged that in to the charger. Since then I need to retract any USB plug a 2mm (or 3) to make the thing work, otherwise no more contact and no charging. Oh and of course I removed that patch and I shortded D+- inside the charger by soldering then together |
| 20:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems it bent down the contact springs in charger receptacle |
| 20:56.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be pretty difficult to bend them into shape again |
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| 21:07.15 | Sicelo | for now the CA-146C is my only way to charge. i don't mind general USB for a while (until i need a reflash) |
| 21:10.10 | Sicelo | oh my, heh! i would never have thought there's a pcb inside the CA-146C .. always thought i was just straight-through, so to speak |
| 21:24.33 | louisdk | Hi. Anyone still using their N900 as their main phone? :) |
| 21:26.10 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 21:26.15 | kerio | o/ |
| 21:26.48 | kerio | louisdk: are you like louis c.k. but better |
| 21:26.49 | kerio | ? |
| 21:28.06 | louisdk | kerio, dk stands for Denmark, so judge it yourself :) |
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| 21:41.24 | honestly | yup. |
| 21:41.40 | honestly | I am using n900 as my only phone. |
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| 21:50.30 | louisdk | honestly, you're not missing any features? :) |
| 21:53.31 | honestly | nah |
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| 23:21.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~coldflash |
| 23:21.16 | infobot | methinks coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:34:01 (jacekowski's instructions), or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing |
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