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06:46.19sixwheeledbeastThat was my thought, checking the source out.
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09:33.43DocScrutinizer05weird request: can somebody point me to the sources for N900-nitdroid please? Or even to the particular source for ECI accessory (headset buttons)
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09:51.52WntDocScrutinizer05: is this what you are looking for? https://gitorious.org/android-n900
09:52.47Wntone of the repositories under that
09:54.23Wntthe original author might be able to help you that exact piece of source: https://twitter.com/drunkdebugger
09:56.18DocScrutinizer05Wnt: looking for the multibutton headset driver aka ECI
09:58.21DocScrutinizer05prolly to be found under /dev/eci*
09:59.47DocScrutinizer05<PROTECTED>
10:00.06DocScrutinizer05AIUI it works on N900 too, right?
10:03.41DocScrutinizer05~mxr
10:17.54DocScrutinizer05timeless: mxr broken or empty?
10:18.41DocScrutinizer05timeless: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/06/27/plasma-desktopW27898.png
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14:45.55timelessDocScrutinizer05: is this using mxr.maemo.org = nslookup(timeless.justdate.net) ?
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14:49.03timelesshrm
14:49.22timelessit does seem somewhat unhappy
15:08.12DocScrutinizer05timeless: tis is wit ezc/hosts hack
15:08.32DocScrutinizer05timeless: this is wit etc/hosts hack
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15:41.39DocScrutinizer05~#maemo mxr is <reply>`echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
15:41.39infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay
15:41.57DocScrutinizer05~mxr
15:41.57infobot`echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
15:42.27DocScrutinizer05~#maemo mxr.maemo.org is <reply>see mxr
15:42.27infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
15:42.40DocScrutinizer05~mxr.maemo.org
15:42.40infobot`echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
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16:10.04DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo mxr is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-25.log.html#t2013-10-25T23:30:42 or simply do `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
16:10.04infobotokay, DocScrutinizer05
16:10.09DocScrutinizer05~mxr.maemo.org
16:10.09infobotrumour has it, mxr is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-25.log.html#t2013-10-25T23:30:42 or simply do `echo '66.33.208.86    mxr.maemo.org' >>/etc/hosts`
16:11.12ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: hi
16:11.28DocScrutinizer05hi Shapeshifter! long time no see
16:13.24ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: Hello, hello. Still have my N900, daily use :) In any case, I got a question for you - not sure if it's answerable... Imagine a smart watch, but with a 5.25" screen. Would it be possible to power something like this using just 2 AA batteries?
16:13.35ShapeshifterI thought you might ballpark this
16:13.57DocScrutinizer05sure
16:14.07Shapeshifterpower it for a couple of hours, that is
16:14.21DocScrutinizer05why wouldn't it be possible? the question is for how long you can power it
16:14.44ShapeshifterI'm sure you're familiar with the Psion 5?
16:15.05DocScrutinizer05this question is impossible to answer without a bunch of very specific details about the platform
16:15.22DocScrutinizer05not exactly familiar
16:15.38DocScrutinizer05I guess I have an idea what a device it is
16:17.10ShapeshifterI was thinking, if it were possible to cram a small arm board in there and put linux on it. But I don't think it's possible, since there's no space for a large enough battery to power the board and screen and wifi and everything for any reasonable length. But what if it's just an oversized smart watch? i.e. only needing to power a graphics display and bluetooth and add a protocol for transferring keystrokes and display taps. I'm not ...
16:17.16Shapeshifter... sure if bluetooth has sufficient bandwith though, either
16:18.01ShapeshifterBasically I still miss my old psion. It's the perfect portable. The N900 is neat but just a bit too small. the keyboard is usable but cramped. The Psion was absolutely perfect. You could write actual work on that thin
16:18.05Shapeshifterg
16:18.15Shapeshifterit's just an idea
16:18.49Shapeshifterbut if it's impossible to revive the Psion 5 "neo900 style", as in full hw replacement, which I think it is, maybe it's possible to convert it into a dumb peripheral at least
16:19.12Shapeshifterbecause then one could place a fairly large battery pack where the original board was.
16:19.39Shapeshifterhttp://www.rugged-portable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Psion_5mx_disassembly.jpg
16:19.58Shapeshifterhttp://www.rugged-portable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Psion_5mx_side.jpg such a brilliant keyboard... ;_;
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16:23.22Shapeshifterbut it's probably very difficult. smart watches communicate very little it seems. but if one were to write text or even view animations/video on the screen, there would have to be too much communication.
16:23.36Shapeshifteraww man, I just wish they would build me a modern psion one of these days...
16:24.53DocScrutinizer05you for sure can upgrade the thing ala GTA04 or NeoN, doing a full swap of main PCB
16:26.33DocScrutinizer05see for example ben nanonote
16:27.18DocScrutinizer05which is using a not too bad CPU, running linux, should fit into the psion 5 case
16:27.49Shapeshiftermhh
16:28.12DocScrutinizer05there's no ben nanonote swap board availsble, but you *could* build your own one, customized for the psion
16:29.39HumpelstilzchenDocScrutinizer05: do you usually send feedback mails when you got a donation?
16:31.13DocScrutinizer05Humpelstilzchen: yes, we do, though only around once per week
16:32.11DocScrutinizer05for paypal the notification scheme is yet to get established though
16:32.26HumpelstilzchenDocScrutinizer05: k I donated on June 16 but havn't got a confirmaiton mail yet
16:32.43DocScrutinizer05hmmm
16:33.00DocScrutinizer05plase /query dos1
16:33.05DocScrutinizer05please
16:33.06Humpelstilzchenk
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16:34.53DocScrutinizer05Humpelstilzchen: please also check your spam folder!
16:35.07ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: that nanonote is really tiny. so it were actually possible...
16:35.10HumpelstilzchenDocScrutinizer05: solved, thanks
16:35.20Shapeshiftertoo bad it looks unusable
16:35.36DocScrutinizer05Humpelstilzchen: ooh, that been fast
16:35.40Shapeshifterthat keyboard is even worse than the n900
16:35.40dos1:)
16:36.35DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: I know. I didn't suggest the device, I talked about the mainboard
16:36.48Shapeshiftersure
16:36.49DocScrutinizer05or rather, the system
16:37.24ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: what do you mean by "could build my own"? Actual board design?
16:37.41Shapeshifteri.e. differently shaped pcb with parts moved around?
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16:41.44DocScrutinizer05yep, in theory you can do exactly this
16:42.21Shapeshifterwell yeah. not me though..
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17:28.16DocScrutinizer05THIS thing had an incredibly great kbd (no surprise, right ;-D )  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_200LX
17:32.16kerioyou know what has a good keyboard? my laptop
17:33.05kerioand it's thinner than that
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17:46.04DocScrutinizer05simply no kbd ever connected to a laptop has a kbd that can compete with the HP keys used in their calculators and the 200LX
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17:58.14ecc3gdang, I still have my 200LX.
17:58.25bencoh:)
17:58.28ecc3gand a broken 100LX
17:59.18ecc3gthe keyboard is sturdy and tactile indeed... but still too small to touchtype
17:59.51ecc3ghave to type just like on the n900... using the two-thumb method.
17:59.54jaskai drooled at those 100/200lx as a kid
18:01.07jaskasadly tablets and phones ate the sector
18:01.09ecc3gI was using it as a pda for several years... pretty good, even great battery life... alas, no network access
18:03.34ecc3gForgot how many hours I could get out of two NiCd AA's... only 1.5Wh of power there, then again, it has no backlight :o
18:04.04ecc3gMorphy-1. HA.
18:04.26ecc3gor what was it called...
18:04.46ecc3gbasically the "Neo900" of the 200LX.
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18:39.24DocScrutinizer05I hope not
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19:14.47DocScrutinizer05https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a4   (ECI aka multibutton wired headset, this time for real err for N900)
19:14.49DocScrutinizer05wonders why *nobody* ever ported that to e.g. maemo kernel-power yet
19:15.51DocScrutinizer05now the question is: Does Neo900 need to support it at all?
19:17.02DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: pali: ^^^
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19:55.06sixwheeledbeastI'd be happy if the one button would work...
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20:26.38DocScrutinizer05it does
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20:29.13DocScrutinizer05damn, seems I trunkated that URL above
20:29.33DocScrutinizer05https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a46d4226822776f198370e30a1b3dc91:include/linux/input/eci.h#L32
20:29.54DocScrutinizer05https://gitorious.org/android-n900/kernel-ng/source/72b729c2a46d4226822776f198370e30a1b3dc91:drivers/input/misc/eci.c
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20:51.42sixwheeledbeast1grr...pidgin
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20:54.31sixwheeledbeast~ping
20:54.32infobot~pong
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20:59.00DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: rather IRC
20:59.12DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast (~paul@2a01:348:6:860a:3d01:9f4:953c:ca1c) has left this server (*.net *.split).
21:00.17sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: Ah, yes however, I get "Excess Flood" messages in Pidgin and have to kill it.
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