| 00:06.42 | ecc3g | sigh...wish it were possible to make an answering machine out of an n900... |
| 00:14.29 | dos1 | why wouldn't it be possible? |
| 00:20.14 | ecc3g | is there an application available? |
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| 00:33.10 | dos1 | ecc3g: well, dunno, but it looks to me like something perfectly possible to implement ;) |
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| 08:03.20 | sixwheeledbeast | ecc3g: a combination of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Answer_current_phone_call , espeak and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90398 seems feasible. |
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| 10:04.54 | sixwheeledbeast | \o/ zzztop in Extras |
| 10:06.43 | sixwheeledbeast | ~zzztop |
| 10:06.44 | infobot | it has been said that zzztop is - the better and even FOSS powertop - http://wiki.maemo.org/Zzztop |
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| 12:06.45 | sixwheeledbeast | ah so maemo.org does "work" just nobody uses it since migration. |
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| 12:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 12:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw BM in Extras |
| 12:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and BM-latest in -testing |
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| 12:33.26 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: check out fresh packages on mo |
| 12:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ell, no problem with that |
| 12:34.12 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: does the latest version of bm need testing to promote? |
| 12:34.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:35.08 | sixwheeledbeast | maybe worth bumping the bm thread on TMO then |
| 12:35.47 | sixwheeledbeast | I am hoping I will get Products" Karma for zzztop to see if that works. |
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| 12:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> just nobody uses it since migration<< ??? |
| 12:42.23 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: There have been no "Fresh" packages on there for years. |
| 12:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm, maybe not in extras, since testing stalled and promotion been borked for quite a while |
| 12:44.12 | sixwheeledbeast | InfoZip has been "fresh" and on the packages RSS feed since 2012 |
| 12:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think -devel sees new packages every other week |
| 12:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw I don't see BM in "fresh" either |
| 12:45.12 | sixwheeledbeast | I know repository is fine |
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| 12:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | generally speaking update of the website http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ (and firends) been a broken cron job since ages, and since migration I don't think it ever *really* finished but rether aborts eventually due to OOM |
| 12:48.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1403354843&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo |
| 12:49.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | look e.g. "last 8h" |
| 12:55.37 | kerio | does *anyone* actually use that site |
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| 13:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 13:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | define "site"! |
| 13:06.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're talking about http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/* - I just tried to understand how it's sorted and how to find anything there, and gave up. Useless |
| 13:08.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually now zzztop is on rank #1 of "hot" - with ONE download. MUUHAAAHAAAA |
| 13:10.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, "fresh" isn't sorted by number of downloads anyway, just like "fresh" seems not sorted by date of upload |
| 13:11.29 | erlehmann | lel |
| 13:15.17 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: so m.o/downloads/Maemo5 is suppose to be feed by a cronjob? |
| 13:15.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 13:15.32 | sixwheeledbeast | mmm |
| 13:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | like everything on maemo.org, basically |
| 13:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | midgard cronjobs |
| 13:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | @.@ |
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| 13:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and *midgard* actually is... Well I guess there might be roundabout 3 living people on this globe that might grok how our obsolete midgard version works |
| 13:18.43 | sixwheeledbeast | well I assumed the page was made by the developer, hence "not used" |
| 13:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of them did migration, updated some midgard stuff during that, and this broke a _lot_ of stuff already |
| 13:19.46 | sixwheeledbeast | popular, hot and fresh. With one download, hmm |
| 13:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and BM doesn't show up anywhere |
| 13:22.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | except of course on package interface: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/ |
| 13:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/ .oO(???) |
| 13:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, maybe that's only -devel |
| 13:25.07 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: maybe i have seen a stupid thing that could be the problem blocking http://maemo.org/downloads update |
| 13:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the URL actually gives it away |
| 13:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras_free_armel/all/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ |
| 13:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes: shoot |
| 13:27.49 | xes | the update script had hardcoded to point to the home of an user that doesn't exist anymore |
| 13:28.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOLWUT?! |
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| 13:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds exactly like maemo-midgard, yes |
| 13:32.01 | xes | seems that something has changed... |
| 13:34.24 | sixwheeledbeast | where is the update script? |
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| 13:35.25 | sixwheeledbeast | eh, loads of "fresh" item now.... |
| 13:36.08 | xes | just gived the same kick-fix also to os2008,os2007... |
| 13:37.19 | sixwheeledbeast | All the "fresh" items have updated. "hot" items are still the same |
| 13:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | just was about to ask "is there *anything* _not_ of today 13:30?", but... : http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/Maemo5/25/?org_openpsa_qbpager_latest_products_page=30 |
| 13:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: when you don't go for next council, i dunno who else should or ought |
| 13:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe xes as well? - oh, prolly he doesn't like to |
| 13:44.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I have other Maemo things higher on my priority list. |
| 13:44.25 | xes | DocScrutinizer05: EH? |
| 13:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | council |
| 13:45.28 | xes | these scripts only take care of "fresh" packages make a "diff" of current last package with the archived info of old fresh. "HOT" is another story |
| 13:45.49 | xes | *making |
| 13:45.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hot is BS anyway |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty useless |
| 13:46.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe should die |
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| 13:48.28 | sixwheeledbeast | well thanks for fixing that xes. At least my RSS feed will show something new this week |
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| 13:49.43 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree HOT is a bit pointless, but nice to have other packages sharing the limelight on the page |
| 13:51.54 | xes | ok... enabled again the scheduled update of fresh packages. As soon as there are new packages things shoud start to have more sense |
| 13:52.33 | xes | (since now everything seems to be new) |
| 13:52.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | xes for king! |
| 13:53.17 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
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| 14:18.55 | sixwheeledbeast | so now we wait for some more package testers... |
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| 15:12.44 | freemangordon | what?!? package update was simply disabled? |
| 15:13.22 | freemangordon | yay!!! it seems to work even |
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| 15:27.50 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: the maemo.org main site |
| 15:27.59 | freemangordon | yeah, I know |
| 15:28.12 | freemangordon | "downloads" section |
| 15:28.17 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
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| 17:19.44 | sixwheeledbeast | I think I have just found a bug in the phone application. |
| 17:20.03 | sixwheeledbeast | well another bug |
| 17:21.23 | sixwheeledbeast | it only checks the last 7 digits of the number against your contacts |
| 17:34.45 | freemangordon | I guess that is a feature :) |
| 17:42.09 | bef0rd | I think whatsapp only checks last N digits too, if you have contacts without country code or something like that |
| 17:44.47 | sixwheeledbeast | when you dial "2345543266" but have a contact with "1235543266" it logs as a call to the contact but dials the number you called. |
| 17:45.44 | sixwheeledbeast | This also means recent calls doesn't call the number you originally dialled but the one in your contacts. |
| 17:47.04 | sixwheeledbeast | damn closed parts of Maemo :( |
| 17:47.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen slonopotamus |
| 17:47.34 | infobot | slonopotamus <~slonopota@83.149.8.177> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 680d 1h 28m 32s ago, saying: 'i haven't used skype on n900 30 months ago?'. |
| 17:47.53 | dos1 | http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-utils.git;a=summary |
| 17:48.14 | dos1 | a nice library for matching phone numbers, taking all country/area/whatever codes into consideration |
| 17:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the record: thanks to slono for |
| 17:48.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy |
| 17:48.27 | infobot | somebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. |
| 17:48.31 | dos1 | implemented per DocScrutinizer05's specs :D |
| 17:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, telnum-normalization? |
| 17:49.22 | dos1 | yup |
| 17:50.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it could convert sip://0049911888888@sipgate.de to a proper +49-911-888888 |
| 17:50.21 | dos1 | see sixwheeledbeast's posts above |
| 17:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not, it's crap ;-P |
| 17:50.52 | dos1 | boots SHR |
| 17:50.56 | dos1 | let's check :P |
| 17:52.19 | xes | hmm...nope |
| 17:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you should be able to define "sip://00" as an alternative to "00" and "+" |
| 17:54.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and @ is no valid number digit, thus should start truncation of controlcodes |
| 17:54.59 | xes | contry codes and area codes are a pain to identify (world wide). While considering just a country seems easy, if you pick south america or some africa zone you'll gain a monster headache |
| 17:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like ";" and "p" and "w" |
| 17:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: mind you, my specs demanded for proper perl regex iirc ;-) |
| 18:00.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, and an implementation hint: since the regex are user config parameters and thus semi-static, I suggest doing the regex-"compile" at config-store time already, so you can save this part for all later runs of normalize-telnum |
| 18:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if you implemented the trailing "*" for stored numbers, to allow for extensions |
| 18:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sored contact: "ACME Corp: 001-555-1234*"; user dials "0015551234042" and contact lookup finds ACME Corp |
| 18:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | wth? |
| 18:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | stored* contact: |
| 18:08.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly one "*" should allow for a user-configurable maximum of e.g. 3 digits for extension, but multiple "*" are allowed at end of number |
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| 18:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: in http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=libphone-utils.git;a=blob;f=src/lib/phone-utils.c;h=2843c66007280e6100e01eb221de97015502f8dc;hb=781d866bc12eec293007851fe3c300d0f5a301d3#l397 that's a bug, since #389 and #392 already take care |
| 18:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | incredible, lemme check if i can find *my* version ;-) |
| 18:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it was sth like a sed oneliner |
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| 18:36.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | gotit |
| 18:36.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | normalize(){ |
| 18:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | } |
| 18:38.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh! |
| 18:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [wWpP\;\,].* -> [wWpP\;\,@].* |
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| 18:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even [^0-9+\(\) ABCD] |
| 18:40.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | .* |
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| 18:49.39 | federico3 | hi there |
| 18:49.57 | federico3 | any bitcoin wallet for maemo that can read QR-codes? |
| 18:51.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | err there's qbarcode or whatsitcalled. No idea about bitcoin wallet |
| 18:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there is, you should be able to plug it into qbarcode I guess |
| 18:54.11 | federico3 | thank you |
| 19:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, the above posted sed regex version of normalize is prolly a interim or beta version |
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| 19:43.15 | kerio | federico3: i don't see any reason why bitcoin-qt wouldn't work on the n900 |
| 19:43.27 | kerio | except for, you know, the stupidly high system requirements |
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| 19:52.49 | sixwheeledbeast | mbarcode |
| 19:54.46 | federico3 | plus dependencies, integration with the qr-code reader, UI glitches... |
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| 20:18.37 | dos1 | it would be great if extras-devel would work like debian experimental... |
| 20:19.22 | dos1 | so it could be enabled all the time and packages that exist only in this repo could be installed, but it wouldn't upgrade to versions from it unless explicitely requested |
| 20:22.27 | federico3 | dos1: like Debian Unstable with package pinning |
| 20:25.15 | dos1 | yup |
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| 22:37.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wellll |
| 22:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame apt |
| 22:38.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or Nokia, or whomever |
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| 22:40.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or use my tiny smart catalogswitcher tool: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs (see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/session-log_enable-catalogs_README.txt), and |
| 22:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 22:40.30 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, speedyham is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb, or in cssu-thumb |
| 22:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you wouldn't even know which app is from extras-devel and which isn't |
| 22:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAM merges them all into one view (or actually 6 or 8 groups, one of them being "all", among other 'useful' stuff like "games" etc) |
| 22:43.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham is also 30 times faster than HAM |
| 22:43.26 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 22:44.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedyham |
| 22:44.24 | infobot | speedyham is probably http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb, or in cssu-thumb, or 30 times faster than HAM |
| 22:46.55 | dos1 | nah, apt knows how to do that |
| 22:47.06 | dos1 | it works well on debian after all :P |
| 22:47.40 | dos1 | I think that would be simply a matter of proper metadata in extras-devel pkgs and pinning configuration |
| 22:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I exported the damn 331 contacts of hooker800 to N9, but N9 refused to export "all" to file, so I exported them from N9 to N900 (after lots of messing around with BT pairing) and there finally I got them exported to files and downloaded per USB ass rage, then sent it to GF by mail |
| 22:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | *real* fun |
| 22:49.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: maemo apt is fubar, it doesn't know to properly handle >= etc |
| 22:57.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe that's apt-worker |
| 22:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels nausea after messing almost 2h with hooker800 loseOS and HARM (and Jolla, to no avail at all) |
| 23:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | losedows |
| 23:03.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | really cool how on hooker you can pull the contact to andother BT-paired phone in almost no time, you can (err almost *must*) sync your contacts with damn "cloud" aka losedows live, but there's NO way to sync with a losedows PC not even outlook there |
| 23:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels tempted to check if BT could pull the contacts from a hooker directly to a linux PC |
| 23:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | obex I guess, eh? |
| 23:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | watches himself plugging in the BT dongle to the USB hub and cannot believe owm masochism |
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| 23:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, at least that clearly didn't work, so not much more torture to suffer |
| 23:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I would need a contacts-download-via-BT-obex-app on linux which clearly I wouldn't know of |