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| 00:53.23 | snare2 | Hi all! Where I can download maemo SDK inside VirtualBox VM?\ |
| 00:53.35 | snare2 | now it is cleaning in Nokia site :( |
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| 01:12.00 | Maxdamantus | ~sb |
| 01:12.01 | infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 01:12.08 | Maxdamantus | ^ snare2 |
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| 03:31.27 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet |
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| 03:57.38 | sixwheeledbeast | ~wb |
| 03:57.39 | infobot | thx |
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| 18:31.54 | wizbit | time to research GPS apps |
| 18:35.56 | snare2 | wizbit, why_ |
| 18:35.58 | snare2 | ? |
| 18:38.04 | wizbit | well i need some kind of GPS app on my phone |
| 18:38.07 | wizbit | incase i get lost |
| 18:38.34 | wizbit | reads http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools |
| 18:39.02 | wizbit | this looks the best http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana |
| 18:41.53 | wizbit | ideally i need GPS for walkers |
| 18:43.29 | snare2 | wizbit, i too |
| 18:43.32 | wizbit | i will test out ovi maps first |
| 18:43.34 | snare2 | not for car |
| 18:45.17 | wizbit | ovi maps doesnt show a map at all |
| 18:47.18 | Humpelstilzchen | Someone said that Nokia killed the Mapserver |
| 18:47.58 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit, did you say mainly walking |
| 18:48.40 | sixwheeledbeast | do you have data? |
| 18:49.34 | wizbit | yes i walk |
| 18:49.40 | wizbit | so need some kind of GPS for walking |
| 18:49.54 | wizbit | the map server doesnt work on ovi maps |
| 18:53.22 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: modRana should work for you, works best with a data connection |
| 18:53.52 | wizbit | ace will use that |
| 18:54.19 | sixwheeledbeast | download tiles as you go, or alternately I have had varying success with downloading tiles. |
| 18:55.35 | sixwheeledbeast | I still think map packs would be best for modRana but that is not available. |
| 18:56.13 | wizbit | modrana is in active development? |
| 18:56.46 | sixwheeledbeast | remembers he was looking to download the tiles and get offline monav working in modRana |
| 18:57.34 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: I was hoping MartinK would be about I have a few things I was going to ask him |
| 19:00.13 | sixwheeledbeast | ah http://wiki.maemo.org/ModRana_offline_routing_guide |
| 19:01.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: m4rtink is modrana maintainer / developer, and yes he's very active |
| 19:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen m4rtink |
| 19:02.20 | infobot | m4rtink <~M4rtinK@mail.melf.eu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 48d 6h 47m 26s ago, saying: 'the ultimate IDLE RPG channel'. |
| 19:02.20 | sixwheeledbeast | He seems to hide when I want him :) |
| 19:02.21 | RiD | wise man |
| 19:02.28 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
| 19:03.05 | sixwheeledbeast | Only because I give him more work to do |
| 19:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status |
| 19:03.20 | infobot | Since Fri Jun 20 03:29:34 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 17 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 21 commands. I have been awake for 15h 33m 46s this session, and currently reference 119280 factoids. I'm using about 24256 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 75.8/1.93 child 0/0 |
| 19:03.49 | wizbit | what is the difference between ModRana and Modrana QML |
| 19:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess modrana QML is using QML toolkit for GUI |
| 19:04.31 | sixwheeledbeast | They are installed together at the moment, there are some differences minus the obvious code |
| 19:04.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so most likely meant for HARM platforms |
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| 19:06.00 | wizbit | should i be using QML on N900? |
| 19:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/modrana/ |
| 19:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think QML is an error of evolution ;-) |
| 19:07.05 | sixwheeledbeast | GTK |
| 19:07.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | like e.g. silverlight |
| 19:09.05 | wizbit | modrama works straight away :D |
| 19:09.07 | wizbit | thank you :D |
| 19:09.37 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-06-08.log.html#t2014-06-08T23:47:34 |
| 19:09.50 | sixwheeledbeast | GTK vs QML |
| 19:11.10 | sixwheeledbeast | more like nodrama :D |
| 19:12.16 | dos1 | QML is really nice, but I hate that paradigm Nokia promoted: "everything should be in QML, augmented by C++ logic in case it couldn't be in QML" |
| 19:13.45 | dos1 | I used it few times to just augment QWidget-based UI with nicely animated QML controls and IMO that's where it trully rocks |
| 19:15.12 | dos1 | reminds me of edje from enlightenment |
| 19:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I, as a matter of principle, don't like the approach to design GUIs with toolkits that pretend that the GUI was a webpage of sorts |
| 19:16.38 | dos1 | hmm, QML is hardly "webpage of sorts" |
| 19:16.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna go this way, then do it completely and write your app as local html server |
| 19:17.06 | dos1 | it's rather a canvas, where you place elements and declaratively describe their interaction |
| 19:17.21 | dos1 | completely unrelated to html (maybe except using javascript syntax for scripting) |
| 19:17.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 19:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | a webpage with web scripting |
| 19:18.01 | dos1 | but javascript is hardly only-html thing nowadays |
| 19:19.44 | dos1 | QML is almost exactly what edje is - just with edje using embryo/lua instead of js |
| 19:19.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I generally headdesk when I read (maybe not exactly QML or JS related) advice like "make an invisible object consisting of one transparent pixel, where you then store your local variables" |
| 19:20.29 | dos1 | yeah, that may happen when you use things like QML or edje to implement logic |
| 19:20.34 | dos1 | I hate it and headdesk as well :P |
| 19:21.07 | dos1 | when you use QML/edje properly - to describe UI and *UI* interactions, then it's nice and clean |
| 19:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | my dbase and SEVAG mask generator hacks were not as braindamaged as *this* |
| 19:21.50 | snare2 | is evernote client work now? |
| 19:22.01 | snare2 | I can't auth :( |
| 19:22.28 | dos1 | and it provides nice means to separate UI from logic - which is funny, cause QML feels like it was built for exactly this purpose |
| 19:22.38 | snare2 | And, can anybody help me: I want VirtualBox image with SDK. Nokia delete it :( |
| 19:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb |
| 19:22.57 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB |
| 19:22.57 | dos1 | but then you see Nokia/Digia/whatever advicing to implement both UI and logic in QML |
| 19:23.01 | dos1 | and you die a little inside |
| 19:23.19 | snare2 | infobot, it is not fast start :) |
| 19:23.19 | infobot | So we want to be stupid, right, is not fast start :) ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 19:23.37 | snare2 | is any more simple way to get SDK? |
| 19:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | snare2: download the VM image |
| 19:24.17 | snare2 | DocScrutinizer05, is worked links to VM images anywhere? |
| 19:24.25 | Snafu777 | Good, infobot wants to be in the army. A nasty stinking soldier. |
| 19:24.36 | Snafu777 | Infobot, I will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness |
| 19:24.37 | infobot | You will crush you with my Marine Corps awesomeness? |
| 19:24.54 | Snafu777 | Infobot, test |
| 19:24.54 | infobot | i guess test is not funny |
| 19:25.01 | Snafu777 | Infobot, you suck |
| 19:25.01 | infobot | and very well I might add |
| 19:25.07 | Snafu777 | laughs |
| 19:25.18 | Snafu777 | infobot, rm -rf / |
| 19:25.19 | infobot | -rf / is an unperson |
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| 19:25.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Snafu777: see last URL in link the bit gave |
| 19:26.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 19:26.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | snare2: ^^^ |
| 19:30.48 | Snafu777 | Whats up spoofy |
| 19:31.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 19:31.16 | Snafu777 | infobot, what is the meaning of life? |
| 19:31.17 | infobot | Snafu777: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:31.31 | Snafu777 | infobot, what color of underwear am i wearing |
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| 19:31.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | she's not Eliza |
| 19:31.41 | Snafu777 | Heh |
| 19:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack Snafu777 |
| 19:32.02 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Snafu777 |
| 19:32.12 | Snafu777 | Whoa |
| 19:32.16 | Snafu777 | Thats just mean |
| 19:32.34 | Snafu777 | infobot is a girl |
| 19:32.38 | Snafu777 | hmm |
| 19:32.38 | Snafu777 | ~undress |
| 19:32.38 | infobot | undress is probably take me: _/\*/\_ |
| 19:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~gender |
| 19:32.41 | infobot | I'm not sure |
| 19:33.05 | Snafu777 | ~hug Snafu777 |
| 19:33.05 | infobot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Snafu777 |
| 19:33.11 | Snafu777 | hah |
| 19:33.12 | Snafu777 | ok im done |
| 19:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~coffee Snafu777 |
| 19:35.37 | infobot | ACTION steals some of eMHa's special coffee and gives it to Snafu777 on a silver platter. |
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| 19:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: well, when people would use QML correctly then it might be a semi-OKish approach |
| 19:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I still fail to see why not using proper HTML then, right away |
| 19:40.38 | eMHa | infobot: give my coffee back! |
| 19:40.38 | infobot | ACTION gives coffee back! to my |
| 19:40.41 | dos1 | html is rather poor way to describe ui |
| 19:40.44 | eMHa | :-) |
| 19:43.01 | dos1 | even on web - when you want your page to feel like an application, you often abstract html away as much as you can |
| 19:43.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | like, using JS, ajax? ;-) |
| 19:44.06 | dos1 | like using two-way binding, via some JS framework |
| 19:45.19 | dos1 | I'd rather connect QML to CSS than HTML, but way more powerful |
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| 19:46.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | snare2: you found the ~1GB VM image? |
| 19:49.55 | snare2 | DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you |
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| 20:16.52 | snare2 | DocScrutinizer05, yes, thank you |
| 20:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 20:25.09 | sixwheeledbeast | 1GB? I thought it was more like 5GB. |
| 20:25.36 | sixwheeledbeast | oh it's compressed, nevermind |
| 20:31.11 | sixwheeledbeast | you wouldn't think I installed it ~18 hours ago :rolleyes: |
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