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| 09:20.29 | Apic | Hi. |
| 09:20.35 | Apic | oot@quartz:/home/apic/MyDocs/Debootstrap# apt-get -mf install aptitude |
| 09:20.41 | Apic | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:20.41 | Apic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.44 | Apic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.46 | Apic | How to resolve please? |
| 09:20.49 | Apic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.51 | Apic | E: Broken packages |
| 09:21.28 | Apic | (I tried apt-get --reinstall install osso-af-startup but it changed not a Thing…( |
| 09:21.39 | Apic | s/…(/…)/ |
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| 09:29.37 | Sicelo | Apic: what exactly are you trying to do/achieve? |
| 09:29.56 | Apic | I want to install patitude |
| 09:29.58 | Apic | aptitude |
| 09:30.06 | Iridos | osso? that sounds like maemo, not debian |
| 09:30.10 | Apic | So it can automagically resolv Stuff for me which apt-get cannot. |
| 09:30.23 | Apic | I have a Maemo Base System installed |
| 09:30.43 | Iridos | ops, I am in #maemo :P sorry, thought I was in a different channel, my fault |
| 09:30.47 | Sicelo | you'll end up with a seriously broken Maem |
| 09:30.47 | Apic | But added plain Debian to /etc/apt/sources.list.de |
| 09:30.52 | Apic | Ok. |
| 09:30.55 | Sicelo | *Maemo |
| 09:31.05 | Apic | So i cannot install aptitude at all without Breakage? |
| 09:31.14 | Apic | Then i would like at least debootstrap |
| 09:31.27 | dos1 | maemo + plain debian? won't work... |
| 09:31.29 | Apic | So i can set up a chroot Jail on a ext3 Image |
| 09:31.31 | Apic | Ok |
| 09:31.38 | Apic | Then i'll remove it from apt/ |
| 09:31.40 | Apic | Thanks. |
| 09:31.46 | dos1 | but aptitude from maemo repos should |
| 09:32.00 | dos1 | (at least to some extend, ncurses ui seems to segfault here) |
| 09:32.12 | Apic | root@quartz:~# apt-get update && yes|apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:32.17 | Apic | Ok |
| 09:32.31 | Sicelo | debootstrap from debian does work on Maemo.. if you really need that, just install the deb. don't use debian repos |
| 09:32.39 | Apic | So how can i install debootstrap? Or shall i rather use my host Laptop with a QEMU-VM? |
| 09:32.53 | Apic | Ok, i'll try to install the .deb |
| 09:33.08 | dos1 | but if apt-get cannot resolve dependences, then probably something is broken and aptitude is not likely a proper solution |
| 09:33.15 | Sicelo | i have 1.0.38 |
| 09:34.00 | dos1 | and on maemo, you should refrain from "apt-get dist-upgrade" and similar - some maemo specific packages may expect to be installed via HAM and work incorrectly otherwiseHAM |
| 09:34.07 | Sicelo | and btw Apic .. apt-get is not even recommended on Maemo.. use the built-in application manager as much as possible |
| 09:34.13 | Sicelo | ah, yes dos1 :) |
| 09:34.32 | Apic | Sicelo: Of what? |
| 09:34.51 | dos1 | and apt-get/aptitude may decide that some essential package is not used anymore and remove it |
| 09:34.52 | Sicelo | of? |
| 09:35.15 | Sicelo | 1.0.38 ... debootstrap version |
| 09:35.18 | dos1 | afair there is a popular problem with voip support being automatically removed by apt-get |
| 09:36.00 | Sicelo | by the way, what do you intend to do with the system installed via debootstrap? |
| 09:37.23 | Apic | Now i'm using Program Manager „aktualisieren“ (in German - means Update) |
| 09:37.40 | Apic | I want to do _everything_ Debian can |
| 09:37.49 | Apic | gcc, emacs, mc, nethack, screen, … |
| 09:37.59 | Apic | bsdgames, bsdgames-nonfree, other Games… |
| 09:38.20 | Apic | Maybe even CLANG |
| 09:38.36 | Apic | Maybe sometime in the Future some Lisp, Forth, Erlang, Haskell… |
| 09:38.54 | Sicelo | most likely EasyDebian is what you need |
| 09:38.56 | Apic | GIMP, LibreOffice, … |
| 09:39.08 | Sicelo | already provides most of what you want |
| 09:39.10 | Apic | I tried EasyDeb like 23 Times and trashed it everytime |
| 09:39.19 | Apic | It does not even do ionice -c 3 nice |
| 09:39.23 | Apic | So it blocks the whole System |
| 09:39.28 | Apic | Especially when unpacking |
| 09:39.33 | Apic | And it's helluva outdated |
| 09:39.35 | Apic | I |
| 09:39.49 | Sicelo | mine been working fine. just installed htop in it a few minutes ago |
| 09:39.51 | Apic | I once had a very good own Debian Chroot with debootstrap running |
| 09:39.57 | Apic | Then it magically broke |
| 09:40.03 | Apic | So i'll try to set up a new good one now. |
| 09:41.33 | Sicelo | if you want up-to-date debian, the you'll need a newer kernel as well... therefore, you'll need to boot into that debian. depends how confident you feel about that, but that even the best option |
| 09:41.59 | Sicelo | of course, you can still break your maemo if you want.. after all, you can always reflash ;) |
| 09:43.31 | Apic | I'll use Stable instead of Testing then |
| 09:44.44 | Apic | I'll get debootstrap-udeb_1.0.60~bpo70+1_all.udeb from the Pool now… will that work out? |
| 09:45.45 | Sicelo | i don't know. i have a lower version than that |
| 09:46.39 | Sicelo | mayb you need regular deb even.. not sure |
| 09:46.41 | Apic | ic |
| 09:46.56 | Apic | Then i'll use debootstrap_1.0.26+squeeze1.tar.gz |
| 09:47.28 | Apic | I'll be AFIRC for a while, playing Hedgewars |
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| 09:55.20 | Apic | Ok, back |
| 09:56.34 | Apic | root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# make |
| 09:56.35 | Apic | rm -rf dev |
| 09:56.38 | Apic | etc … |
| 09:56.40 | Apic | Seems to run |
| 09:57.31 | Apic | install -o root -g root -m 0644 devices.tar.gz /usr/share/debootstrap/ |
| 09:57.31 | Apic | root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# |
| 09:57.32 | Apic | o/ |
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| 11:13.30 | Sicelo | which dev are you deleting? :p |
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| 13:01.24 | dos1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1429737 |
| 13:05.36 | hurrian | 1802, slightly newer than a Maemo Summit device |
| 13:07.09 | hurrian | not too exciting, it's pretty close to the final hardware. |
| 13:12.24 | kerio | is that toilet paper |
| 13:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: hehe, nice |
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| 15:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | thank you freedesktop, Poettering, friends: http://privatepaste.com/363a589b62 |
| 15:29.46 | ampharos_ | le systemd face |
| 15:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | r33b.net |
| 15:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | farce? |
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| 17:07.43 | ecc3g | weird. after a learning cycle on my really old bl5j battery, it claims the capacity increased somewhat... |
| 17:12.14 | ecc3g | though maybe the previous learned capacity may have been pessimistic, it was 50 charge/discharge cycles ago... |
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| 17:23.01 | wizbit | I have a strange problem |
| 17:23.29 | wizbit | My Nokia N900 remains stable, unless i open up the web browser |
| 17:23.33 | wizbit | then it resets itself |
| 17:23.59 | Apic | Install Firefox |
| 17:23.59 | wizbit | i tried the built in browser and opera, both have the same effect |
| 17:24.19 | wizbit | It even restarted when i opened Yaparri |
| 17:25.01 | wizbit | this has happened since i changed swap to use micro SSD card |
| 17:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 17:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd think the device resets on kernel panic when actually needing swap which is somehow broken/flawed |
| 17:28.34 | wizbit | ill paste my start-up script |
| 17:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrealted to the app which causes incrased RAM usage and thus swap need |
| 17:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated |
| 17:30.13 | wizbit | http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt that is my startup script |
| 17:30.18 | wizbit | inside /etc/event.d |
| 17:31.29 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: first ill make my phone use internal swap |
| 17:31.33 | wizbit | see if that makes a difference |
| 17:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, what can I say. looks good. *IF* those swap aprtitions are actually existing and correct and formatted |
| 17:32.20 | wizbit | strangely my fstab still shows the old swap file |
| 17:32.21 | wizbit | /dev/mmcblk0p3 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 17:32.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that you need a mkswap ? |
| 17:32.55 | wizbit | yep i did that |
| 17:32.57 | wizbit | but will redo it |
| 17:32.58 | wizbit | just incase |
| 17:33.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fstab is autogenerated during each boot, and doesn't know of your swap swap |
| 17:33.50 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: should swap appear as the first partition or the last partition on the SSD card |
| 17:33.58 | wizbit | or doesnt it matter |
| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* don't think that makes much difference - for the swap |
| 17:34.19 | wizbit | ok |
| 17:34.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for general usability I'd put it last |
| 17:35.48 | wizbit | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1999990784 bytes |
| 17:36.03 | wizbit | maybe i forgot to do that before :S |
| 17:36.42 | wizbit | cat /proc/swap |
| 17:36.43 | wizbit | /dev/mmcblk1p2 partition 1953112 0 -1 |
| 17:36.51 | wizbit | seems to be working manually now |
| 17:37.35 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: should be startup script have a 60 second delay? |
| 17:37.37 | wizbit | *my |
| 17:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 17:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I think there are at least half a dozen prove-to-work implementations of alternative swap on N900. I don't feel like debugging the N+1'th |
| 17:39.39 | wizbit | got lots of apps open now |
| 17:39.43 | wizbit | stable so far |
| 17:39.48 | wizbit | before it was a instant restart |
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| 17:40.11 | wizbit | i must of forgot to do mkswap |
| 17:40.18 | wizbit | so it wasnt writing to the swap properly |
| 17:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly |
| 17:41.49 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: is my method of creating a startup-script to initialize the swap the correct way to do it? |
| 17:42.03 | wizbit | http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt |
| 17:42.50 | wizbit | what file can i edit so fstab shows the correct swap at boottime? |
| 17:43.17 | wizbit | then i wouldnt need to swap on and swap off |
| 17:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know. please refer to existing solutions |
| 17:43.46 | wizbit | ok |
| 17:43.49 | wizbit | seems stable now |
| 17:45.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not fstab defining the mounts, it's preinit and rcs doing mounts and fstab gets generated to match the existing mounts - more or less |
| 17:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is pretty fsckd up regarding fstab and mounting |
| 17:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's an awk script that gets called to build fstab, *after* everything got mounted |
| 17:47.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc CSSU has an improved awk script and even a way to not autobuild fstab during boot |
| 17:47.51 | wizbit | /etc/event.d/rcS-late is the best solution |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | take all of the above with a grain of salt, I didn't look into this stuff for literally years |
| 17:49.18 | wizbit | it works!!!! |
| 17:49.20 | wizbit | after a reboot |
| 17:49.21 | wizbit | /dev/mmcblk1p2 partition 1953112 0 -1 |
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| 17:51.38 | Apic | o/ |
| 17:52.50 | wizbit | dam it just restarted again |
| 17:52.51 | wizbit | arghghghghghg |
| 17:53.33 | dos1 | damn it |
| 17:53.34 | wizbit | maybe something wrong with the actual partitions i created with cfdisk |
| 17:53.58 | dos1 | I have one bl-4j battery |
| 17:54.11 | wizbit | could the battery cause restarts? |
| 17:54.30 | dos1 | and when I slide the keyboard too fast it restarts :< |
| 17:54.46 | dos1 | on standard bl-5j's it doesn't happen |
| 17:55.09 | dos1 | annoying |
| 17:55.13 | wizbit | im replacing the battery |
| 17:55.19 | dos1 | hah, you were talking about restarts as well? :D |
| 17:55.20 | wizbit | with standard one see if it makes a differnce |
| 17:55.48 | dos1 | my post was unrelated - just got angry at my device that just restarted ;) |
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| 17:57.07 | dos1 | my restart is easily reproductible and happens exactly when sliding out the keyboard fast |
| 17:57.52 | dos1 | probably it makes some battery contact to loose a bit due to it being a bit smaller than it should be |
| 17:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 17:59.27 | kerio | why are you using a 4j instead of a 5j |
| 17:59.36 | kerio | why would anyone go for a smaller battery instead of a bigger one? |
| 17:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly ;-P |
| 18:00.03 | dos1 | I got it with some other phone, and I have no USB on N900 |
| 18:00.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | use a 2 layers of paper in the notch of the battery in center of conatct side |
| 18:00.26 | dos1 | so when 5j goes flat, I replace it with 4j and charge 5j with some old nokia with broken screen :P |
| 18:00.45 | wizbit | i had a akkro polarcell in mine stuck a bl-5j in it now |
| 18:01.29 | wizbit | no difference just restarted :( |
| 18:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 18:01.36 | dos1 | actually I have second 5j somewhere as well, so this 4j here is rather temporary until I overcome my laziness and try to find it :P |
| 18:01.37 | wizbit | i will use internal swap for a while now |
| 18:04.52 | Guest2277 | RIP N900 2010-2014 #neverforget |
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| 18:06.33 | FIQ | the 4j actually works inserting in N900 like that? |
| 18:06.49 | FIQ | I thought you needed a specific nokia battery for each model (well, almost) |
| 18:07.18 | FIQ | or is it only a matter of sizes? |
| 18:08.34 | ecc3g | it should be just sizes, they're all Li-ion cells inside plus that size indication resistor... |
| 18:09.24 | ecc3g | just hope that the pinout remains the same. |
| 18:09.33 | FIQ | mhm |
| 18:10.05 | FIQ | hm |
| 18:10.10 | FIQ | my N900 screen broke |
| 18:10.17 | FIQ | it's trivial to fix, but meh |
| 18:10.34 | FIQ | not willing to do it when it's going to fall apart in any second anyway given its current state otherwise |
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| 20:26.43 | wizbit | no matter what i do |
| 20:26.50 | wizbit | the n900 will crash if i use swap on the sd card |
| 20:26.56 | wizbit | could it be my sd card is too slow |
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| 20:27.35 | ecc3g | my n900 will crash with swap on sd, and I open the back cover... |
| 20:27.53 | wizbit | im using cfdisk to partition it |
| 20:27.56 | wizbit | maybe thats the problem |
| 20:30.38 | dos1 | ecc3g: well, sd becomes unavailable when back cover is open, so that would be expected :P |
| 20:31.13 | ecc3g | but of course... |
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| 20:44.50 | wizbit | how strange |
| 20:44.57 | wizbit | if i manually do swap on and swap off |
| 20:45.00 | wizbit | it doesnt crash |
| 20:45.19 | wizbit | if i set the partition in rcS-late it does crash |
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| 21:05.51 | Sicelo | wizbit: tracker maybe? iirc you will get a crash if something tries to hog any partition of uSD. that's why i would check your tracker config. |
| 21:06.25 | Sicelo | partitioning with cfdisk is not likely to be the problem at all |
| 21:13.00 | wizbit | oh i did install tracker-cg not long ago |
| 21:13.01 | kerio | wizbit: also remember that during boot-time the partitions may be swapped |
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| 21:14.50 | wizbit | i just turned off all the tracker-cfg options |
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