| 00:00.41 | Agge | iirc it combine the UID with the B key to get the data string that it sends. so if you change certen data in the B key you can get it to emulate a different UID |
| 00:03.17 | Agge | and you can extract the A and B key by manupulating the seed. it is seeded 16bit time from startup to first contact with reader so it is realy weak |
| 00:08.35 | Agge | hurrian: abut the random generater and good info about manupulating the data on rfid http://youtu.be/aO6zFpgtLj8?t=13m27s |
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| 00:10.17 | hurrian | Agge: nice, I should've read up on it before I headed out on vacation :p |
| 00:10.52 | Agge | mifare specifaly is good lesion in how to not do security |
| 00:11.05 | hurrian | in the backwater I come from, all the auth is just UID based, waving a NFC phone in front of them usually causes them to crash lol. |
| 00:14.17 | Agge | nice one :) |
| 00:20.12 | Agge | hurrian: about manupilating the UID of cards http://youtu.be/QJyxUvMGLr0?t=43m47s |
| 00:22.08 | Agge | looks like I remembered some ditales wrong but the general idea was correct :) |
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| 01:20.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks at "freebsd/developer/nox" and idly wonders what bsd developers think about dudes like Poettering and friends farting at *nix compatibility of linux at large |
| 01:21.37 | hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: wasn't a *BSD developing a compatibility layer for Poetteringware? |
| 01:22.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | OMG! :-o |
| 01:22.15 | hurrian | something to do with the linux compat layer and the fact that newer linux programs will eventually depend on poetteringware if they didn't already |
| 01:25.34 | hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html#systemd |
| 01:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~Poetteringware is broken by design software that is broken by design because of dependencies to also totally broken by design and fubar system components introduced and forcefed down the throat of all linux distros by Mr Poettering and friends, like systemd, kdbus, avahi, and last not least PolypAudio |
| 01:25.47 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 01:27.19 | hurrian | looks like De Raadt is kicking OBSD into high gear. |
| 01:27.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find enough to eat, so I could puke like I feel I want to |
| 01:31.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about a compatibility layer to make fubar poetteringware work on proper clean sysV-init systems? Pretty please with a convenient function to remotely electrocute the developer of that ware which needs the compatibility layer |
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| 01:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | user land software with dependencies (SIC!) to systemd, WTF?! |
| 01:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | when will kernel get integrated into systemd? |
| 01:33.52 | hurrian | linux kernel? kdbus on the way. |
| 01:34.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup |
| 01:34.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | but Linus gave the only possible and correct answer to this |
| 01:36.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I hope he will need years err decades to feel convinced that this other guy and poettering changed their arrogant habit to mess up stuff and then declare all *other* apps as broken and leave it up to them to fix their API so they work with new "leete shite" of poettering's wet dreams |
| 01:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 01:38.16 | infobot | hmm... freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 01:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html honestly made my day. Thank you Mr Torvalds! Thanks you a truckload of times! |
| 01:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, "Kay Sievers" been the name of the other guy |
| 01:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Sievers, like the unit for hard deadly radiation, should be possuble to remember, but noooo... My brain refuses, wonder why |
| 01:42.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible* |
| 01:50.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly kudos to wicket for his signature! e.g. here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1407827&postcount=22 |
| 01:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal poettering |
| 01:52.26 | infobot | "poettering" is "<reply>'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''" |
| 02:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering is also you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html |
| 02:06.19 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal poettering |
| 02:06.24 | infobot | "poettering" is "<reply>'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html" |
| 02:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 02:11.34 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html |
| 02:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering is also http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html |
| 02:14.15 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
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| 05:11.22 | Tekk_ | frals: I actually got it to work with reconfiguration |
| 05:11.25 | Tekk_ | sorry for not mentioning |
| 05:11.30 | Tekk_ | seems that my issues weren't mms related though :/ |
| 05:13.58 | frals | cool |
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| 08:40.25 | Psi | sorry, i meant to say before, USB socket mounting is intact |
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| 10:43.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | that SIM card looked strangely familiar ;-P |
| 10:47.05 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: more pottering https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 |
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| 11:13.26 | hurrian | Agge: wow, seriously? On older systemd versions, IIRC it just yells at you in red text that you need $CONFIG_* options =Y, and then drops you to a shell. |
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| 11:14.24 | Agge | I am always suprised that pottering is alowed to handle computers after pulseaudio |
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| 11:29.09 | kerio | rofl |
| 11:29.21 | kerio | init needs /proc guys |
| 11:29.51 | kerio | it's not like it's literally the only thing running so it knows everything |
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| 11:51.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: (more poettering) yes, I know - this been the bug Linus referred to in his bashing |
| 11:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, this is a related bug |
| 11:51.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nasty one |
| 11:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | poettering says it's a feature |
| 11:52.07 | bencoh | yeah right, everything's a feature |
| 11:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | as usual. As with nuked /usr |
| 11:52.19 | bencoh | nuked /usr ? |
| 11:52.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | as with obsolete and nuked udev |
| 11:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: you didn't notice yet that /usr got fsckd up thoroughly, by deliberately violating the clearly described purpose of /usr, e.g. in: |
| 11:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification |
| 11:53.48 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 11:54.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | FHS clearly stated /usr is meant to facilitate a dedicated own volume for /usr. systemd forbids this |
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| 11:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | since systemd needs all crap from /usr/s?bin usually not needed during boot or on a singeuser-recovery-system |
| 11:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so since systemd /usr must exist on rootfs, no own volume allowed anymore |
| 11:56.43 | wnd | the more I hear and read about systemd, the more I dislike it. I wonder if life was/would have been any better with upstart. |
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| 11:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wnd: you probably missed the best yet: systemd does logging to a binary database, instead of a human-readable plain textfile |
| 11:58.08 | wnd | also, I think Debian's move away from sysvinit was premature |
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| 11:58.48 | wnd | I suppose that binary database isn't even readable with hexdump |
| 11:59.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 11:59.08 | wnd | not that it would make things any better |
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| 12:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ (/usr) |
| 12:07.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> put together by Harald Hoyer and Kay Sievers<< |
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| 12:13.03 | bencoh | "On Fedora the root directory contains ~450MB already" srsly ?! |
| 12:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | another pile of shit created by poettering, sievers and freinds, based on an arrogant ignorance resp denial of considerations for any platform not exactly workstation. "well, on your embedded system you're free to not use systemd, it's not meant for such platforms" |
| 12:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | suuuuure |
| 12:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 12:15.22 | infobot | rumour has it, freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 12:17.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | the above "rationale" also conveniently ignores that Solaris is NOT meant to work on embedded systems |
| 12:18.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Solaris did it [this bullshit], so we are urged to do same [bullshit]" is not exactly a sane approach |
| 12:19.03 | bencoh | "sane" ? what's this ? can we eat it ? |
| 12:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | who doesn't understand the purpose of search path, and never heard about namespaces for mount, and unionfs, really shouldn't mess with elementary stuff defined e.g. in FHS |
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| 12:21.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the above "rationale" also conveniently hides away the *true* motication for all this: systemd doesn't work on a real standrad compliant linux, since systemd needs all sorts of crap to boot up the system, crap that's not to be found in /bin or /sbin but only on /usr |
| 12:21.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gobolinux is so pretty, though |
| 12:22.09 | jaska | could go plan9 and bindmount everything to /bin?:) |
| 12:22.18 | bencoh | :)) |
| 12:22.40 | kerio | yeah |
| 12:22.45 | kerio | at that point, why bother with /usr at all? |
| 12:22.49 | kerio | just put everything in /bin |
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| 12:31.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: you don't need plan9 for that, linux mount wil do that for you |
| 12:31.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | who doesn't understand the purpose of search path, and never heard about namespaces for mount, and unionfs, really shouldn't mess with elementary stuff defined e.g. in FHS |
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| 12:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<kerio> just put everything in /bin)) you got that wrong, it's "put everything in / " |
| 12:37.03 | kerio | oh right |
| 12:37.12 | kerio | think about how easy filesystems would be if you didn't have to deal with directories |
| 12:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | why bother about such nonsense like directories at all? |
| 12:37.29 | kerio | it worked for DOS 4 |
| 12:37.33 | kerio | or smth |
| 12:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 12:37.37 | kerio | maybe DOS 3 |
| 12:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos2? |
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| 12:38.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | dos1 :-P |
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| 14:17.32 | jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: you don't know how hard it is to deal with people who think a world without directories is a good thing |
| 14:17.42 | jon_y | "Oh we'll just tag the files" |
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| 14:18.22 | jon_y | do it yourself, tag everything, one at a time, on a touch screen |
| 14:18.46 | jon_y | I swear futurists don't know jack shit about practicality |
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| 14:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
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| 14:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | see tracker nonsense in maemo |
| 14:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | implementing exactly this |
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| 14:43.45 | r00t-home | "Today, a separate /usr partition already must be mounted by the initramfs during early boot" |
| 14:43.51 | r00t-home | who came up with that crap? |
| 14:45.01 | Agge | pottering? |
| 14:45.18 | r00t-home | poEttering |
| 14:46.51 | r00t-home | a few kb of their explanation... http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ |
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| 15:21.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few kb of rubbish |
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| 15:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nota Bene! freeDESKTOP.org -- already the URL gives it away: this stuff gives a fart about anything not desktop, like embedded systems or servers or... you name it |
| 15:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could suffer a blood rush when I read that nonsense. Seems the authors not even ever heard of runlevels |
| 15:48.40 | bencoh | actually some people want to get rid of it (runlevels) |
| 15:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | *of course* /usr/ is supposed to get mounted before system cranks up into multi-user or even network runlevel. That however doesn't mean that system will fail to boot into single-user when no /usr available |
| 15:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, Poettering and Sievers are notorious to want to get rid of averything they don't really understand |
| 15:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | see ALSA, see sysV-init |
| 15:50.09 | bencoh | :) |
| 15:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually, see unix(-compatibility) |
| 15:50.26 | bencoh | is it friday already btw ? :) |
| 15:50.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like |
| 15:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | virtual Friday |
| 15:53.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least Poettering and Sievers faithfuly follow >>"Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." - Henry Spencer<< |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 15:54.13 | infobot | somebody said freee was http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 15:54.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | note the beer bottle ;-P |
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| 16:10.55 | Agge | ~flasher |
| 16:10.55 | infobot | from memory, flasher is at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ |
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| 16:18.01 | b_ | this lack of phone is bs. If I leave the n900 I trade everything I have and love on the n900 for a faster working device. It's the only phone I can use now without having to meddle with it to get what I want out of it |
| 16:19.32 | Agge | ~initrd.img |
| 16:19.41 | Agge | :( |
| 16:20.05 | sixwheeledbeast | ~listkeys initrd |
| 16:23.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: ??? |
| 16:23.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | we have no initrd on maemo5 |
| 16:23.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueos is using an initrd |
| 16:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 16:24.07 | Agge | yeah it is that one I was looking from |
| 16:24.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 16:24.17 | infobot | methinks rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 16:24.37 | Agge | guessing I extrakt the initrd from the img |
| 16:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for what purpose? |
| 16:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the whole rescueos is only an initrd and nothing more |
| 16:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | an initrd NOLO loads to RAM and executes it |
| 16:26.50 | kerio | eyup |
| 16:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | from USB, to RAM |
| 16:27.02 | kerio | it's literally just kernel and initrd |
| 16:27.04 | Agge | ok. need conteeny to read abot it |
| 16:27.04 | kerio | both loaded to ram |
| 16:27.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: right, I forgot about the kernel |
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| 16:57.48 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: sould I use the rescue img instade of initrd.img in this comand "flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" ? |
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| 17:26.11 | Agge | got rescueos started on the phone that do alredy work. but no change to the one that dident work got this output on the non funktoning http://bpaste.net/show/363705/ |
| 17:31.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that looks pretty good |
| 17:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOLO seems to work |
| 17:32.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might face some hw problem |
| 17:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare your output to the one you got for working N900 |
| 17:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they are identical |
| 17:34.57 | bencoh | "well, that looks pretty good" "you might face some hw problem" that's .... :] |
| 17:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | what can I say? the pastebin looks perfectly OK |
| 17:36.52 | Agge | yeah and the working one boots into rescueos |
| 17:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | when the device "doesn't work" I guess it must have other problems with peripheral hw that defeat proper system init |
| 17:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. broken display connector flex cable |
| 17:38.00 | Agge | any idea if it is posible to copy all data from it with usb or somthing? |
| 17:38.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | rescueos is supposed to offer a USB console and also export the fs |
| 17:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but don't ask me how to enable either |
| 17:39.06 | Agge | broken dispay connector sounds posible. had some problem with the digitilizer |
| 17:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never used/tested rescueos so far |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's exactly what it looks like |
| 17:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the device is known to not come up without display |
| 17:40.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some driver blows chunks |
| 17:40.14 | Agge | is that hard to fix? |
| 17:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even X11 |
| 17:40.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, not really. You need a new flex cable (~7EUR) and replace it |
| 17:41.02 | Agge | from what I found the usb suport needs to be enabled after it starts :( |
| 17:41.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes it's even just one of the connectors that's not properly seated |
| 17:41.06 | Agge | aha nice |
| 17:41.26 | Agge | think it was that with the digitilicer |
| 17:42.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the B2B connector at end of flex connector from screen to main PCB is crap, a 3 layers of more or less flexible PCB soldered together to form a sandwich |
| 17:42.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | bend it and byebye |
| 17:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the solder joints snap open and the display acts up, or even the whole device doesn't come up anymore and acts "funny" |
| 17:44.28 | kerio | solid engineering |
| 17:45.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 17:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/n900-flex-cable.html |
| 17:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ebay has better offers, but I'm too lazy now |
| 17:46.25 | Agge | thank you |
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| 17:56.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=n900+flex+cable&_nkw=nokia+n900+flex+cable |
| 17:56.23 | kerio | ^ not too lazy, but a liar |
| 17:57.05 | Agge | thanks Doc |
| 17:57.32 | Agge | nice that parts like that is still avalible :) |
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| 18:04.53 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: looks like it is the conector. managed to enable usb mass storage on the N900 without the screen starting :) |
| 18:07.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | fine |
| 18:07.44 | Agge | Nice to know what is wrong :) |
| 18:07.52 | Agge | Thanks for all help |
| 18:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
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| 20:05.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, #freakshow is the right channel for him ;-P |
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| 20:46.08 | elias_a | False alert. Nokia servers still work. :) |
| 20:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | how long? |
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