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| 08:34.59 | BCMM | s/of/if/ |
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| 09:06.25 | knott_rays | se yks kysy btw "what is your language?" |
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| 18:00.02 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: or sixwheeledbeast any idea what it might meen when a N900 led is solid orange when conected to a charger but do not start? |
| 18:00.31 | Humpelstilzchen | did you try to turn it off and on again? |
| 18:01.00 | Agge | Humpelstilzchen: fails at turning it on |
| 18:02.06 | Humpelstilzchen | aah does not start as in does not boot |
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| 18:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: |
| 18:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 18:02.42 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. |
| 18:03.22 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: i lost my phone :( |
| 18:03.24 | wizbit | got another one now |
| 18:03.40 | wizbit | all i need to know is how to setup the repos again |
| 18:03.50 | wizbit | i remember i had to rewind the year back, but forgot what year |
| 18:04.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: it basically means that your battery is so low on voltage that the CPU cannot boot and the bq24150 is charging the battery autonomously to pull the system out of this deadlock situation |
| 18:05.15 | Agge | aha thanks doc. it is the China phone it was problem with on saturday. tested with a good batery to see if that worked. both batereys works in my old N900 but none of them in the new one |
| 18:05.56 | Agge | charging right new from a samsung charger becouse I don't have the original charger with me |
| 18:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: you need to set system date to 2011 to get rid of warnings in apt about expired nokia signature in base repos. This is not really needed to set up the repos for a working system |
| 18:07.18 | wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: the only repos i have on are: Nokia Applications & Nokia Software Updates |
| 18:07.25 | wizbit | can i update from that once year is 2011? |
| 18:07.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you will want maemo-extras |
| 18:07.39 | wizbit | ok ill stick that in |
| 18:07.48 | wizbit | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 18:08.05 | wizbit | Distribution: fremantle-1.3 <-- ? |
| 18:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:08.14 | wizbit | ace |
| 18:08.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 18:08.22 | wizbit | i will write this down this time |
| 18:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, afk, bbl |
| 18:08.34 | wizbit | ok dude |
| 18:32.07 | wizbit | is it worth using CSSU-Thumb ? |
| 18:32.14 | kerio | probably |
| 18:32.34 | kerio | there's some minor speed increases |
| 18:32.45 | kerio | the big advantage is in the less space used in the rootfs |
| 18:32.54 | wizbit | right i see |
| 18:37.10 | wizbit | kerio: after the nokia security update, should i then add in the CSSU-Thumb repo then do a big update? |
| 18:37.34 | kerio | you should follow the instructions in the cssu thumb topic |
| 18:37.38 | wizbit | ay eok |
| 18:37.40 | kerio | wait, nokia security update? :O |
| 18:37.49 | wizbit | its the latest firmware |
| 18:37.56 | kerio | which one? |
| 18:37.59 | sixwheeledbeast | ~tell wizbit about cssu-thumb |
| 18:38.06 | wizbit | i had the nokia repo left |
| 18:38.12 | wizbit | then set my block back to 2011 |
| 18:38.18 | wizbit | then it said maemo security update |
| 18:38.22 | wizbit | so i am installing it |
| 18:38.28 | wizbit | *clock |
| 18:39.11 | sixwheeledbeast | well that was interesting, 1 months rainfall in an hour and I get a call out |
| 18:39.12 | wizbit | Maemo 5 21.2011.38-1.205.1 |
| 18:39.25 | sixwheeledbeast | so much for this "heatwave" |
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| 18:43.43 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: 21.2011.38-1 is the pr1.3.1 update |
| 18:43.50 | wizbit | ace |
| 18:43.56 | wizbit | its nearly finished installing |
| 18:44.10 | sixwheeledbeast | so basically the last Nokia release |
| 18:44.16 | wizbit | is that good? |
| 18:44.38 | sixwheeledbeast | you will need this or p1.3 before going CSSU |
| 18:44.59 | wizbit | so this update will give me PR1.3.1 so i should be good to go |
| 18:45.06 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 18:45.23 | sixwheeledbeast | then go to CSSU page |
| 18:45.26 | sixwheeledbeast | ~CSSU |
| 18:45.26 | infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
| 18:45.31 | wizbit | is CSSU-Thumb stable to use? |
| 18:45.40 | wizbit | i dont do anything too fancy on the phone |
| 18:47.14 | sixwheeledbeast | er, well it's based on CSSU-Testing so you should "expect" the odd issue. The question is how confident are you with Debian, Maemo and useful bug reporting? |
| 18:47.26 | kerio | it's slightly edgier than cssu-testing, but not by much |
| 18:47.35 | wizbit | aye ok |
| 18:47.38 | wizbit | good to know :) |
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| 18:48.03 | wizbit | do you guys use CSSU thumb on your phones? |
| 18:48.54 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: I use CSSU-Stable for my day to day device but I have a Testing and Thumb device too :) |
| 18:49.23 | wizbit | is your CSSU-stable device pretty stable? |
| 18:49.29 | wizbit | or does it crash every now and again |
| 18:49.34 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 18:51.57 | sixwheeledbeast | CSSU-Stable is well "Stable" there's the odd minor annoying bug that needs an update |
| 18:52.05 | wizbit | ace |
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| 18:52.50 | Sicelo | tbh, i was on stable for a long time too, then eventually started using Testing. no complaints at all |
| 18:55.01 | wizbit | ok ill install CSSU-stable on this phone then if i get another i will install CSSU-Thumb on it |
| 18:55.02 | sixwheeledbeast | Yes, I agree everything in Testing currently is solid. However, that's not the idea behind our Stable/Testing/Devel method. |
| 18:55.44 | wizbit | what is a clean way to update to CSSU-Stable, im now on PR1.3.1 |
| 18:56.23 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: That would be the best idea. You can upgrade to Testing if you wish but you can't really downgrade |
| 18:56.29 | wizbit | ok |
| 18:56.44 | wizbit | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation |
| 18:56.51 | wizbit | i will follow instructions there |
| 18:56.59 | sixwheeledbeast | There is only one way to install CSSU read and follow the instructions on the wiki page ^^^ |
| 18:57.08 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 18:58.55 | wizbit | first i will enable the http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ repo and install backupmenu and do a backup :D |
| 18:59.26 | sixwheeledbeast | ~bm |
| 18:59.26 | infobot | hmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 19:01.04 | wizbit | backupmenu is not in extras |
| 19:01.31 | wizbit | oh its in extra-devel |
| 19:02.32 | wizbit | i wonder if there is a quick way to add in all the required repos |
| 19:02.52 | Sicelo | ~jr-tools |
| 19:02.52 | infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 19:03.09 | Sicelo | there should be a script there to do just that wizbit |
| 19:03.13 | wizbit | ace |
| 19:03.22 | wizbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ummm, rather http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install please |
| 19:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fault. fixed |
| 19:07.10 | wizbit | ace |
| 19:07.12 | wizbit | works :D |
| 19:07.39 | wizbit | i didnt backup my phone last time, this time i will :D |
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| 19:16.27 | sixwheeledbeast | It's a shame the latest bm is in extras-devel. It seems silly asking new users to install something from a -devel repo. |
| 19:17.01 | kerio | i wonder if backupmenu still works, considering my silly partitioning |
| 19:18.01 | sixwheeledbeast | you can install the .deb directly with microb however it defeats the object of extras/testing/devel again... :sigh: |
| 19:18.09 | wizbit | should i keep the Nokia Applications repo turned on? |
| 19:18.13 | sixwheeledbeast | yep |
| 19:18.20 | wizbit | ok |
| 19:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: we already promoted it to testing afaik, it just depends on other stuff that as well isn't available in extras (sans -*) |
| 19:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I opted for promoting the dependencies to extras as well, afaik it's just the i2c-tools, for charging |
| 19:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 19:38.09 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50.107.30.59> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 35d 16h 33m 31s ago, saying: 'I swear, microUSB connections are way too tiny'. |
| 19:38.09 | sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: nope I just checked the latest is devel |
| 19:38.49 | sixwheeledbeast | a pkg can't be promoted to extras if dependencies are not there. |
| 19:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, council *could* decide to override all quarantine and promotion rules and promote BM incl dependencies to extras repo |
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| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a nice topic for council meeting supposed to start in 20 min |
| 19:40.13 | wizbit | i am following the instructions here |
| 19:40.19 | wizbit | http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install |
| 19:40.22 | wizbit | i clicked on that |
| 19:41.23 | sixwheeledbeast | are they safe on all versions of Maemo/CSSU? |
| 19:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: those are which instructions? CSSU installation? |
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| 19:44.17 | wizbit | dam now i have this |
| 19:44.39 | wizbit | Unable to update libqtm-bearer Conflicing application packages |
| 19:46.17 | wizbit | does this mean my phone has stuff installed on it already? |
| 19:46.23 | wizbit | and i will need to flash it :( |
| 19:50.03 | wizbit | how annoying there is maemo 4 stuff on my phone |
| 19:51.13 | wizbit | look like ill have to flash it :( |
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| 19:59.22 | wizbit | figured it out |
| 19:59.37 | wizbit | needed to click on CSSU icon in setup :D |
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| 20:09.58 | wizbit | updated to CSSU-stable |
| 20:10.00 | wizbit | one last thing |
| 20:10.07 | wizbit | to install extra stuff, like open-ssh |
| 20:10.46 | wizbit | should i use the Community SSU devel repro or Meaemo Extras-DEVEL repro? |
| 20:11.11 | wizbit | or neither of those? |
| 20:11.20 | wizbit | maybe just Maemo Extras ? |
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| 20:37.28 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: <<Unable to update libqtm-bearer Conflicing application packages>> Did you fix this? |
| 20:37.51 | sixwheeledbeast | neither to the above question BTW |
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| 20:39.41 | wizbit | sixwheeledbeast: yes fixed that |
| 20:39.53 | wizbit | i clicked on the SSU community icon in setup |
| 20:39.57 | wizbit | then it was all ok after that |
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| 20:40.07 | sixwheeledbeast | I see. |
| 20:40.20 | wizbit | what repro should i use for extra stuff? |
| 20:40.39 | sixwheeledbeast | "maemo.org" aka "Extras" |
| 20:40.45 | wizbit | right ok ill use that :D |
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| 20:41.01 | sixwheeledbeast | NOT "extras-devel" or "extras-testing" |
| 20:41.06 | wizbit | ok |
| 20:41.06 | sixwheeledbeast | ~extras |
| 20:41.06 | infobot | i heard extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
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| 20:43.55 | wizbit | sixwheeledbeast: if i did want to install a few newer applications like opera, should i go with maemo extra devel? |
| 20:44.07 | wizbit | then switch off the repo after |
| 20:45.15 | sixwheeledbeast | wizbit: that's up to you. Extras-Devel can lead to buggy software as per ~extras-devel |
| 20:45.37 | sixwheeledbeast | I found Opera 12 in Devel unstable for example |
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| 20:45.41 | wizbit | thats ok opera 12.1 beta was working fine last i used it |
| 20:46.00 | wizbit | will it cause a big repro mess though if i do that |
| 20:46.12 | wizbit | deb package hell? |
| 20:46.33 | Sicelo | no |
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| 20:46.35 | sixwheeledbeast | eh? |
| 20:46.36 | wizbit | ace |
| 20:46.42 | wizbit | im thinking of rpm hell |
| 20:47.06 | Sicelo | but yes, it segfaults for many.. i found if you strace it, it behaves for a while :p |
| 20:47.23 | wizbit | Sicelo: what opera? |
| 20:47.39 | Sicelo | yep |
| 20:47.45 | sixwheeledbeast | :nod: |
| 20:48.00 | sixwheeledbeast | I have gone back to using microB TBH |
| 20:48.09 | wizbit | ok |
| 20:48.12 | sixwheeledbeast | ipv6 FTW ;) |
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| 20:51.45 | Sicelo | uses MicroB too. :) |
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| 20:59.41 | chem|st | ~bm |
| 20:59.42 | infobot | backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
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| 21:43.01 | Tekk_ | does the n900 silently drop mms? |
| 21:43.33 | Tekk_ | There are certain things (mainly two factor auth stuff or email->sms bridges) where I never actually get the text |
| 21:43.37 | Tekk_ | but normal messaging is fine |
| 21:49.36 | ecc3g | I think you need to download fmms to receive SMS, but not sure what it does without it |
| 21:49.48 | ecc3g | err... s/SMS/MMS/ |
| 21:49.58 | Tekk_ | worth a shot, thanks |
| 21:50.25 | nox- | yeah you need fmms |
| 21:59.39 | sixwheeledbeast | there is no native mms, use fmms |
| 22:12.41 | Tekk_ | if it actually wants to work... |
| 22:15.02 | Tekk_ | I can get it to connect to the MMS "network", but as soon as I try to find something it shuts that connection down |
| 22:15.24 | Tekk_ | then it fails before it actually connects if I tell it to connect again while sending : |
| 22:15.27 | Tekk_ | :/* |
| 22:16.55 | Tekk_ | anyone know if fmms actually requires that you have 3g or something? |
| 22:17.08 | Tekk_ | rather than 2g |
| 22:26.17 | Agge | Tekk_: I think I got it to work on 2g but I realy recomend sending picturs with email or somthing bether then bothering with fmms it was a lot of problem to get it to work |
| 22:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: ((will it cause a big repro mess though if i do that)) enable extras-devel, install one package you found out _before_ that you want it, then instantly disable extras-devel again |
| 22:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | about fmms ask frals |
| 22:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | frals: right? :-) |
| 22:35.03 | Tekk_ | Agge: it's not that I was sending a pic, it was just text |
| 22:35.23 | Tekk_ | the issue is that things like at&t's "email to sms" service appear to actually use mms, not sms |
| 22:35.39 | Agge | aha iritating |
| 22:35.51 | Tekk_ | hm |
| 22:35.58 | Tekk_ | it has the same behavior with wifi too |
| 22:36.07 | Tekk_ | it drops the net connection at several points when it tries to send |
| 22:36.13 | Tekk_ | so even if you reconnect in time it fails |
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| 22:36.25 | Agge | Doc have you had problem with any N900 that dident want to start after the 30min solid orange charghing? |
| 22:36.36 | nox- | doesnt mms need a special "apn" config or what its called? |
| 22:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | at&t, isn't that this rogue US borne telecom company that *always* manages to mess stuff up at both a technical and a customer-service level? |
| 22:37.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could be wrong ;-P |
| 22:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: nope, never had such problem |
| 22:38.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: it could suggest that either your battery cell, your NOLO firmware, or your hardware are completely broken |
| 22:38.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: exactly |
| 22:38.35 | Tekk_ | DocScrutinizeryes |
| 22:38.42 | Tekk_ | that would be the one :) |
| 22:39.12 | Agge | the batery works in an other phone and it at least to somthing with the led. any idee what it could be? |
| 22:39.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: you got linux on PC? |
| 22:40.15 | Agge | yes |
| 22:40.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | watch syslog, plug in a powered down N900 |
| 22:41.03 | Tekk_ | yeah. hit send -> disconnect any internet connection -> try to send over internet -> offer connection dialog -> connect -> disconnect again and fail |
| 22:41.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are three USB ENUM events getting logged to PC syslog: ROMBOOT, NOLO, linux |
| 22:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Tekk_: fmms switches APN. |
| 22:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | for details ask frals |
| 22:42.18 | Tekk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | frals == developer of fmms |
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| 22:43.36 | nox- | Tekk_, http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS |
| 22:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody except him *really* understood how this fancy lil piece of magic works, really |
| 22:44.24 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: how is the neo900 coming along? |
| 22:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs might help you handling the switching back and forth of extras-devel |
| 22:45.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: much work and a lot of headache, restructuring whole internal organization |
| 22:46.07 | ecc3g | anyone use syncevolution with Evolution3 ? |
| 22:46.09 | Tekk_ | nox-: yeah, trying to go and start the config from scratch |
| 22:46.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | but we're still on a path into right direction |
| 22:46.46 | Agge | sounds iritating. hope that the new organization works better and you have had more luck with hardware/software part of it |
| 22:53.52 | Tekk_ | hm |
| 22:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: the new organization *has* to work better since we changed from old to new for this sole purpose ;-) |
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| 22:55.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just hope for next to 100% of donors will forward their donation from GDC to Neo900 UG, so we have a basis to continue our work |
| 23:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: however I don't get the part about hw/sw-luck |
| 23:01.47 | Agge | mostly just hope that you havent had any problem with the hw/sw part of the project |
| 23:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we're not in software basically, though recently I intensified my fostering for a few sw-related bits |
| 23:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the hw we been quite lucky so far, we even found components we honestly had our concerns if we could source them anywhere at all |
| 23:04.02 | Agge | I noticed the updated future list :) |
| 23:06.56 | Agge | no luck finding a wifi card with nfc/rfid? |
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| 23:11.06 | Agge | the specs sounds realy good |
| 23:12.30 | Agge | and now did I see that rfid part :) |
| 23:12.30 | Agge | And now did I notice the RFID part :) |
| 23:13.43 | Agge | DocScrutinizer05: Got thes form the syslog from the problematic N900 http://bpaste.net/show/361622/ |
| 23:16.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: this looks like your system is semi-working |
| 23:17.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should reflash |
| 23:18.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually it even exports phonet USB device, which is meant to allow 2G/3G data connection from PC by using the phone as USB 3G dongle |
| 23:18.55 | Agge | I wounder if you actualy can inititsiate that from an phone that is off? |
| 23:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I told you it looks like your system semi-working |
| 23:20.18 | Agge | ok. do you think it would be posible to get data from it? |
| 23:20.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | CPU starts up and ROMBOOT dies USB ENUM, so you already left the emergency phase that usually is indicated by steady amber |
| 23:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/dies/does/ |
| 23:21.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see NOLO but that might have different reasins, starting with me being mistaken, to your PC not logging it |
| 23:21.54 | Agge | running xubunto on that pc |
| 23:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway phonet is a connection that's forwarded by CPU to the modem |
| 23:22.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | what data are you interested in? |
| 23:22.43 | Agge | pictures and contacts mostly |
| 23:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | try : |
| 23:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos |
| 23:22.57 | infobot | [rescueos] http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ |
| 23:26.57 | Agge | thanks I will try that |
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| 23:30.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: RFID is still not decided upon yet. Lots of difficulties with that, starting at antenna for RFID |
| 23:32.39 | Agge | if you are casitn new battery covers it would probibly be posibly to cast the antenna in it? othervice it might be nice to have the chip even if the user need to have an external antenna |
| 23:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we consider that external antenna idea |
| 23:40.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is not to find place for the antenna but to find a place where no nearby other antenna or huge metal object ruins the RF properties |
| 23:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Agge: would you mind telling me about the usecases you want RFID for? |
| 23:43.25 | Agge | msotly random stuff but. ultimatly to be able to decode encrypted milfare clasic card and store them on the phone insted of having alot of acces card with me all the time |
| 23:45.43 | Agge | ultimatly also the ability to read and store 125khz tags. aside from regular 13.56mhz cards |
| 23:46.13 | Agge | did you look at the http://www.openpcd.org/ project? |
| 23:47.29 | hurrian | you probably don't need new battery covers, just RF coil stickers and pogo pins on the mobo. |
| 23:47.46 | hurrian | IIRC that's how most Android devices do NFC |
| 23:51.11 | Agge | I also somthimes ahve to reconfigure access cards on the fly and it would be helpfull to be able to do it witout pulling out a laptop and varius card reader/writer. |
| 23:51.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hurrian: yes, we planned for exactly that, but we have lots of antennas and huge massive metal areas exactly there |
| 23:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't be fun to have that antenna coil glued in there and find that it ceases to work as soon as you place the cover on a phone with inserted battery? |
| 23:53.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 125kHz we for sure can't support |
| 23:54.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | decode and store Mifare is something that for sure needs special chip properties when feasible at all |
| 23:54.54 | Agge | not realy just a chip that you can controll the timing on |
| 23:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not fluent with that RFID stuff, but I seen about hifare specs |
| 23:55.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | mifare* |
| 23:55.53 | Agge | the clasic and simular cards a realy not safe. you can usaly get the same key just by luck in about 5 of 30 cases |
| 23:56.23 | Agge | iirc mifare don't even consider them to be an "encrypted" card internaly |
| 23:56.24 | hurrian | aw man, i'd be happy just to clone UID, that's authentication for the majority of the 13.56 MHz devices |
| 23:57.30 | Agge | hurrian: the funny thing is that you can whrite data to the card so that it behave as it had a different UID then it have :) |
| 23:57.58 | hurrian | Agge: those cards arent RO? |
| 23:58.12 | hurrian | oh boy, I think I can repurpose quite a few cards then |
| 23:58.57 | Agge | hurrian: depends most mifare clasic are not. they are encrypted with a A and a B key and you need both to realy change stuff with them |
| 23:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only used *one* RFID card in my life. Ooops nope, two. Both been my key to the office of the companies I worked for |